In theory, I like the idea of taxpayer/govt funded, universal pre k, via the public school system, available free to all citizens.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:06 pmSo you don’t have skin in the game and you don’t have a unified theory on it you just don’t like entitlements? Is that what you are saying because I don’t have a clear understanding of what you want and don’t want just rejection of certain cultural considerations. Do you flat out reject any universal Pre K under any circumstance? How would you solve this problem?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:32 pmI feel your pain. Will BBB be enough to fix it ? How about for kids in the exurbs & rural areas ?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:14 pmThere’s wait lists at every childcare place around Atlanta. Maybe some kinder are availability 20mi out of town. They go where you can get them in and hope they don’t get tossed like my son did from some bogus Goddard joint over not being fully potty trained within 2 months of turning 3 which we were working on and he got there not that much later which forced us into the second place where we could luckily get both kids in so I don’t know what choices and options you are talking about but there’s a flat out shortage of supply in every large metro I’m familiar with.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:10 pmWhen parents choose & pay for their own pre k, it's like private school or home schooling -- they have more options & more control over what their kids are being taught. This is increasingly less so with public education -- as this election just demonstrated.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:01 pmOk because before you were saying you had a problem with govt indoctrination of younger kids. Is it just assault the concept from all angles because you inherently don’t like it?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:59 pmI'm saying that it's a false promise to establish an unsustainable entitlement.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:39 pmSo the answer is do nothing? I don't understand your rejection of it. That it doesn't go far enough? Are you suggesting they are targeting a way to screw min wage single mothers in wide open rural republican dominated areas? That's the argument?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:37 pmI appreciate your dilemma. Just imagine how hard it is to access for a single mom, working min wage, riding public transport, who doesn't want her kid(s) left behind.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:29 pmPretty sure no and we got screwed by a former child care director at our joint as only so many slots got the freebie and it only runs until 3pm and the paid pre k goes until 6 but we paid for a second year for son who wasn't ready with a 8/23 birthday to go to Kindergarten when school starts 8/5 area and some kids would be turning 6 before he turned 5. Wasn't cool paying an extra $12k or so for that year when there was a free option that the head jammed us up on because I didn't let her get away with her antics but well worth it in his development as a boy I can say for sure and how I know how important that 3-6 are territory is for all kids.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:23 pmThat's a good use of lotto $ imo. That's real $, not fed deficit $.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:11 pmGeorgia funds it to all providers that get approved through lottery ticket dollars. Which is pretty funny, take cash from folks who buy lotto tickets and recycle those dollars into the program.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:58 pmI'm aware of existing preschool services.* They do not provide universal pre k.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:30 amThere are all sorts of state programs already in place you just aren’t paying attention.
https://earlychildhood.marylandpublicsc ... ssing-prek *
But of course that would require you to take a view outside your own experience. Like that something doesn’t divide or something unites based solely on your personal observation and experience.
If universal pre k is to be attained, it will take a lot more than what BBB is promising.
BBB only funds pre k for below median income families.
I does not help with the transportation & extended child care hours necessary for a working single parent to use the entitlement.
To be universal, states will have to fund a lot of this :
* If eligible, your local Department of Social Services will issue you a scholarship for additional child care choices.
Does GA already provide transport to/from pre k & can they meet demand if it becomes universal (whatever that turns out to be) ?
That's why it's false advertising to say BBB includes universal pre K.
The parents & kids who most need it still won't be able to access the entitlement.
Call it what it is -- increased fed funding for existing pre k for low income families.
A way to help existing state & local programs.
Calling it universal pre k equates it to existing K-12 public education.
It's far from that. It's merely an increased subsidy for low income families.
It creates an entitlement expectation that cannot be met without a massive increase in funding, most likely from even more fed deficit spending.
If it's worth doing, find a way to pay for it without piling it onto the fed deficit.
I propose we take it away from the defense budget and from ssi
Congress certainly has the power to fund it at the expense of the defense budget & ssi. BBB does not propose that.
If it becomes truely universal, how you gonna get all those kids to/from & who cares for them before/after pre k ?
We trust 5 yr olds on school buses. 3 & 4 yr olds ? latchkey toddlers ? It takes a village, & a lot of fed deficit $$$.
Gotta make it more "enriching" & reassuring than drag queen story time.
In AACO MD, we have it on a limited basis. There are not nearly enough slots to meet demand. The lower your income & the more disadvantaged you are, the better your chances of getting a slot. It is available 1/2 day & full day, in a few school buildings.
That model would work for me if it were truly universal, non-political, & could be funded without adding to the fed deficit.
That sounds like what BBB is promising but if you look closer, you will find that it is not.