ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:36 pm
ggait wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:26 pm
put simply- which is it, is he in control here or not. thanks in advance for thoughts. i appreciate that there is nuance between these two concepts and that they are not necessarily mutually exclusive. just asking.
For the stuff that the Feds can impact, I think the deep state and Congress are fully woke and running the show. At this point, I don't see Trump having any real impact. Whatever potential authority and influence he had has been forfeited. Who really thinks they'll be sitting in Easter services in two weeks? What hedge funder is trading based on what Trump or Hannity says?
I think Trump can be blamed for not sounding the alarm earlier and louder. But I don't think he makes much difference now that facts/reality have blown past his BS and happy talk.
I don't see him doing much other than talking to his base and trying to message for his re-election campaign. Pretty much like he always does.
Said another way, he didn't lead or follow. So everyone else is pushing him out of the way.
thanks- i appreciate the response. agreed that his fumble was sounding the alarm. 24 days versus 8 overseas. when we had the benefit of watching them putt first.
Post article that, I think, tries to address some of the Chairman's questions:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... back-work/
"President Trump is increasingly making clear he wants to do what public health officials and a number of governors and mayors say is a bad idea: let people go back to work and gather in large crowds in the next few weeks.
Public health officials warn that the coronavirus is still rampaging — the World Health Organization says the United States could be its next epicenter — and that to relax social distancing now will overwhelm hospitals even more than they already are with the sick and dying.
Trump says he’s worried that the economic toll and its effects will be more devastating than the disease: “We can’t let the cure be worse than the disease.”
Trump is the most powerful figure in the U.S. coronavirus response, and a large swath of the country supports him and will stand by him no matter what. And his voice certainly will play a role in how seriously all Americans treat social distancing, since it’s difficult.
But he alone can’t push Americans back to work and restart the economy. That’s for three reasons:
1. Governors are the ones ordering people to stay at home. Already, 19 have ordered or announced that they’re about to order residents to stay at home, according to the nonpartisan National Governors Association. (See which states here.) Even Republican governors, like Greg Abbott in Texas, aren’t inclined to open up their economies now. “If the goal is to get the economy going, the best thing we can do to get the economy going is to get covid-19 behind us,” he said.
Trump doesn’t have the authority to make these governors do anything differently. As University of California at Davis law professor Elizabeth Joh wrote for Politico Magazine last week, the Supreme Court has long established precedent that states have the right to control their economies in the name of public health: “A community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members,” she says the court wrote in 1905. “There is no ‘Go Back To Work Law,’” she tweeted on Tuesday.
States are bolstered by the 10th Amendment of the Constitution, which grants them “police power” to protect the health and safety of their residents. That means states can “establish and enforce laws protecting the welfare, safety, and health of the public,” separate from the federal government, according to Cornell Law School.
Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R), who chairs the National Governors Association, on CNN on Monday resisted the idea of opening up his state’s economy anytime soon, saying: “We’re just trying to take the best advice we can from the scientists and all of the experts and making the decisions that we believe are necessary for our states. We don’t think that we’re going to be in any way ready to be out of this in five or six days or so.”
2. In many states, schools are closed. So are day-care centers and shops. So even if people want to get back to work, a lot wouldn’t be able to. Parents wouldn’t have child care, and governors in a number of states have ordered nonessential businesses closed, so workers in, say, a boutique wouldn’t be able to go back to work.
3. Trump’s request that people avoid groups of more than 10 was just that — a request. He made the social distancing request at the advice of health experts for a 15-day period, which ends March 30. But this was never a rule or law, just a set of guidelines.
Relaxing it will almost certainly lead to more people gathering in open spaces, perhaps in churches or bars and restaurants and beaches. If the president of the United States is okay with larger gatherings, why should they avoid them? But in a growing number of states, that will put them in direct conflict with local officials who urge them not to crowd.
Some are even policing it: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) is going to require anyone coming into the state from New York or New Jersey to be quarantined for 14 days (to avoid the New York-to-Florida virus pipeline). New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) has directed his city to find a way to stop people from gathering in parks. Under the 10th Amendment, they can do that regardless of what Trump says.
In short, Trump’s guidance to America and how seriously he treats social distancing will certainly have an effect. But science and governors are moving in the opposite direction: more, not less, closing up."