The issue with the ACC is ceiling and floors. Duke has been up and done all year, but when they play their best, there maybe only 1 team in the country that can match that. Virginia is similar. As much as I want to leave UVa out for losing 4 straight, I still know they are one of a few teams that can win it all. You can say that for all 4 of the ACC teams. I don’t think you say that for the Big 10 or any other conferenceFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:44 pmcoda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:31 amI am a Michigan fan..Finster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:07 amcoda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:50 amI agree 100%. There is something distasteful about UVa getting in losing 4 straight, but you can understand them getting in. Mostly because the individual talent is so good. They are a threat. Maryland is not a threatFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:46 amLaxDownUnder wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:12 amI don't see the case for UVA either. If anything, they're one of the few teams I feel has shown that they can't beat the top teams in the country.Ozstriker wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 7:57 am Tell me again why UVA is such an automatic? Yea, I get the RPI, but don’t you at least have to win some of those games, and not just play them? Wins against umd (do we know what they are , btw, from a quality perspective?), Harvard (didn’t make the Ivy tourney) and Mich (who before the Big10 tourney, hadn’t beaten anyone). 1-4 in ACC and have lost 4 straight.
Imagine what their RPI would be if they actually beat someone in the Top 10, and not just played them….
Unfortunately for the bubble teams, they're also in a cushy position in the ACC where they can just lean on the RPI formula and fail upwards to a bid (and probably a seed).
Disregarding RPI and SOS, my eye test says Virginia belongs but Maryland doesn’t. Unless McNaney plays on his head, Maryland will just lose their first round game anyway; I’d give that slot to a team that plays to win.
Two other issues: ND has nothing to play for today while Duke might catapult to #2, amazingly. Yet ND plays with pride, so if you’re a Blue Devil, I wouldn’t count your chickens just yet.
Finally, how is Breschi on the committee? You think he’ll easily roll over for a deserving team over Tillman’s team, or Tiffany’s? These guys are friends. I’d rather nominate four Fanlax posters to be the committee. Not even kidding. JoeWillie, wgdsr, Wheels, Keno, and Blue Angel (and a few more in forgetting) seem to know strengths and weaknesses here better than Inside Lacrosse or any other pollster.
If ever there were a year to open up the tournament to others, this is that year. And if left to me, I’d be darn certain to throw a curveball at ND for their first game, giving them an unknown like St Joseph’s.
Also I would put you on the committee too, Coda; I have no idea who you root for.
Roger that.
Duke’s performance today makes me want to limit the ACC representation in the NCAA tournament. The same goes for Maryland and the B1G.
Reward hungry scrappy teams.
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Maryland is a Top 10 win.HGK wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 11:44 am At some point you have to revisit RPI weighting. UVA is very likely in with no top 10 wins and strong losses. Meanwhile the Bubble IVY teams are out with better wins but also weaker RPI wins? Do I think UVA is a top 10 team? I do. Do i think losing to good teams means more than IVY good wins? I Don’t.
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So eye test is now what % of the criteria?coda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:57 pmThe issue with the ACC is ceiling and floors. Duke has been up and done all year, but when they play their best, there maybe only 1 team in the country that can match that. Virginia is similar. As much as I want to leave UVa out for losing 4 straight, I still know they are one of a few teams that can win it all. You can say that for all 4 of the ACC teams. I don’t think you say that for the Big 10 or any other conferenceFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:44 pmcoda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:31 amI am a Michigan fan..Finster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:07 amcoda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:50 amI agree 100%. There is something distasteful about UVa getting in losing 4 straight, but you can understand them getting in. Mostly because the individual talent is so good. They are a threat. Maryland is not a threatFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:46 amLaxDownUnder wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:12 amI don't see the case for UVA either. If anything, they're one of the few teams I feel has shown that they can't beat the top teams in the country.Ozstriker wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 7:57 am Tell me again why UVA is such an automatic? Yea, I get the RPI, but don’t you at least have to win some of those games, and not just play them? Wins against umd (do we know what they are , btw, from a quality perspective?), Harvard (didn’t make the Ivy tourney) and Mich (who before the Big10 tourney, hadn’t beaten anyone). 1-4 in ACC and have lost 4 straight.
Imagine what their RPI would be if they actually beat someone in the Top 10, and not just played them….
Unfortunately for the bubble teams, they're also in a cushy position in the ACC where they can just lean on the RPI formula and fail upwards to a bid (and probably a seed).
Disregarding RPI and SOS, my eye test says Virginia belongs but Maryland doesn’t. Unless McNaney plays on his head, Maryland will just lose their first round game anyway; I’d give that slot to a team that plays to win.
Two other issues: ND has nothing to play for today while Duke might catapult to #2, amazingly. Yet ND plays with pride, so if you’re a Blue Devil, I wouldn’t count your chickens just yet.
Finally, how is Breschi on the committee? You think he’ll easily roll over for a deserving team over Tillman’s team, or Tiffany’s? These guys are friends. I’d rather nominate four Fanlax posters to be the committee. Not even kidding. JoeWillie, wgdsr, Wheels, Keno, and Blue Angel (and a few more in forgetting) seem to know strengths and weaknesses here better than Inside Lacrosse or any other pollster.
If ever there were a year to open up the tournament to others, this is that year. And if left to me, I’d be darn certain to throw a curveball at ND for their first game, giving them an unknown like St Joseph’s.
Also I would put you on the committee too, Coda; I have no idea who you root for.
Roger that.
Duke’s performance today makes me want to limit the ACC representation in the NCAA tournament. The same goes for Maryland and the B1G.
Reward hungry scrappy teams.
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That was just my opinion. but check RPI or any model and the ACC is still dominating.HGK wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 1:05 pmSo eye test is now what % of the criteria?coda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:57 pmThe issue with the ACC is ceiling and floors. Duke has been up and done all year, but when they play their best, there maybe only 1 team in the country that can match that. Virginia is similar. As much as I want to leave UVa out for losing 4 straight, I still know they are one of a few teams that can win it all. You can say that for all 4 of the ACC teams. I don’t think you say that for the Big 10 or any other conferenceFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:44 pmcoda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:31 amI am a Michigan fan..Finster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:07 amcoda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:50 amI agree 100%. There is something distasteful about UVa getting in losing 4 straight, but you can understand them getting in. Mostly because the individual talent is so good. They are a threat. Maryland is not a threatFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:46 amLaxDownUnder wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:12 amI don't see the case for UVA either. If anything, they're one of the few teams I feel has shown that they can't beat the top teams in the country.Ozstriker wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 7:57 am Tell me again why UVA is such an automatic? Yea, I get the RPI, but don’t you at least have to win some of those games, and not just play them? Wins against umd (do we know what they are , btw, from a quality perspective?), Harvard (didn’t make the Ivy tourney) and Mich (who before the Big10 tourney, hadn’t beaten anyone). 1-4 in ACC and have lost 4 straight.
Imagine what their RPI would be if they actually beat someone in the Top 10, and not just played them….
Unfortunately for the bubble teams, they're also in a cushy position in the ACC where they can just lean on the RPI formula and fail upwards to a bid (and probably a seed).
Disregarding RPI and SOS, my eye test says Virginia belongs but Maryland doesn’t. Unless McNaney plays on his head, Maryland will just lose their first round game anyway; I’d give that slot to a team that plays to win.
Two other issues: ND has nothing to play for today while Duke might catapult to #2, amazingly. Yet ND plays with pride, so if you’re a Blue Devil, I wouldn’t count your chickens just yet.
Finally, how is Breschi on the committee? You think he’ll easily roll over for a deserving team over Tillman’s team, or Tiffany’s? These guys are friends. I’d rather nominate four Fanlax posters to be the committee. Not even kidding. JoeWillie, wgdsr, Wheels, Keno, and Blue Angel (and a few more in forgetting) seem to know strengths and weaknesses here better than Inside Lacrosse or any other pollster.
If ever there were a year to open up the tournament to others, this is that year. And if left to me, I’d be darn certain to throw a curveball at ND for their first game, giving them an unknown like St Joseph’s.
Also I would put you on the committee too, Coda; I have no idea who you root for.
Roger that.
Duke’s performance today makes me want to limit the ACC representation in the NCAA tournament. The same goes for Maryland and the B1G.
Reward hungry scrappy teams.
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That's what happens when everyone's got covid eligibility, and only one league can't take advantage of it. There are multiple impact players on almost every top 10 team that would be in the ivy league if not for that rule imbalance.joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 11:31 amWow, the Ivies go from a SIX bid league to a ONE bid league in 2 years. THAT has to be unprecedented.coda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 11:15 amI just ran it and I don’t see an advantage in seeding
#1 ND vs Albany- +10.3
#2 Duke vs Lehigh- +7.3
#3 Cuse vs Lehigh 15 - 8 +7
#4 Hop vs Towson 12- 10 +1.9
#5 Virgina vs St Joseph’s 14-11 +3.3
#6 Denver vs Michigan 11-11 -0.7
#7 Maryland vs Princeton 10-11 -0.2
#8 PSU vs Gtown +1.5
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Rutgers one year and Vermont one yearCan Opener wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 11:07 amOff the top of my head, I can’t think of another team that went from #1 to out-of-the-tournament in six weeks.
BU had their number this year. It would have been fun to see Army in the big dance where anything could happen.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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When was Vermont #1?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 2:09 pmRutgers one year and Vermont one yearCan Opener wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 11:07 amOff the top of my head, I can’t think of another team that went from #1 to out-of-the-tournament in six weeks.
BU had their number this year. It would have been fun to see Army in the big dance where anything could happen.
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HGK wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 1:05 pmSo eye test is now what % of the criteria?coda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:57 pmThe issue with the ACC is ceiling and floors. Duke has been up and done all year, but when they play their best, there maybe only 1 team in the country that can match that. Virginia is similar. As much as I want to leave UVa out for losing 4 straight, I still know they are one of a few teams that can win it all. You can say that for all 4 of the ACC teams. I don’t think you say that for the Big 10 or any other conferenceFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:44 pmcoda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:31 amI am a Michigan fan..Finster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:07 amcoda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:50 amI agree 100%. There is something distasteful about UVa getting in losing 4 straight, but you can understand them getting in. Mostly because the individual talent is so good. They are a threat. Maryland is not a threatFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:46 amLaxDownUnder wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:12 amI don't see the case for UVA either. If anything, they're one of the few teams I feel has shown that they can't beat the top teams in the country.Ozstriker wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 7:57 am Tell me again why UVA is such an automatic? Yea, I get the RPI, but don’t you at least have to win some of those games, and not just play them? Wins against umd (do we know what they are , btw, from a quality perspective?), Harvard (didn’t make the Ivy tourney) and Mich (who before the Big10 tourney, hadn’t beaten anyone). 1-4 in ACC and have lost 4 straight.
Imagine what their RPI would be if they actually beat someone in the Top 10, and not just played them….
Unfortunately for the bubble teams, they're also in a cushy position in the ACC where they can just lean on the RPI formula and fail upwards to a bid (and probably a seed).
Disregarding RPI and SOS, my eye test says Virginia belongs but Maryland doesn’t. Unless McNaney plays on his head, Maryland will just lose their first round game anyway; I’d give that slot to a team that plays to win.
Two other issues: ND has nothing to play for today while Duke might catapult to #2, amazingly. Yet ND plays with pride, so if you’re a Blue Devil, I wouldn’t count your chickens just yet.
Finally, how is Breschi on the committee? You think he’ll easily roll over for a deserving team over Tillman’s team, or Tiffany’s? These guys are friends. I’d rather nominate four Fanlax posters to be the committee. Not even kidding. JoeWillie, wgdsr, Wheels, Keno, and Blue Angel (and a few more in forgetting) seem to know strengths and weaknesses here better than Inside Lacrosse or any other pollster.
If ever there were a year to open up the tournament to others, this is that year. And if left to me, I’d be darn certain to throw a curveball at ND for their first game, giving them an unknown like St Joseph’s.
Also I would put you on the committee too, Coda; I have no idea who you root for.
Roger that.
Duke’s performance today makes me want to limit the ACC representation in the NCAA tournament. The same goes for Maryland and the B1G.
Reward hungry scrappy teams.
My eye test now says don’t invite Duke either.
Obviously I’m kidding (sort of), but underperformance drives me crazy in life. The teams which I feel are underperforming to the point I wish they’d be penalized for the tournament are Duke and Maryland. I see zero hunger.
I’m watching the Princeton Penn game. I’d give Penn credit for clawing their way back. That’s hunger. Duke is just lying down today. Embarrassing.
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I get your point, but no they wouldn't. 2022 Maryland was one of the best teams in the history of the sport, and idk why people act like ND would've been a serious threat to them. Sure, they played them to a two goal margin early in the season -- but that was at home during by far Maryland's most vulnerable stretch before they went supernova (that and their previous two games against Princeton and a terrible Cuse team where their most competitive games until the championship against Cornell).masondixonlax wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:23 amIf we did the threat or eye test then Notre Dame would be playing for a 3peat in national championships this yearkeno in reno wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:19 amYou're right, Maryland is not a threat. But they earned an invite over any Ivy hopeful, who are not threats either. I mean, you can't be a threat if you lost to UNC, Brown, went 0-4 against 6-10 teams, or "limped in" by losing to Princeton twice in a row, who lost to non-threatening Maryland in one of Maryland's easier wins.coda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:50 amI agree 100%. There is something distasteful about UVa getting in losing 4 straight, but you can understand them getting in. Mostly because the individual talent is so good. They are a threat. Maryland is not a threatFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:46 amLaxDownUnder wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:12 amI don't see the case for UVA either. If anything, they're one of the few teams I feel has shown that they can't beat the top teams in the country.Ozstriker wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 7:57 am Tell me again why UVA is such an automatic? Yea, I get the RPI, but don’t you at least have to win some of those games, and not just play them? Wins against umd (do we know what they are , btw, from a quality perspective?), Harvard (didn’t make the Ivy tourney) and Mich (who before the Big10 tourney, hadn’t beaten anyone). 1-4 in ACC and have lost 4 straight.
Imagine what their RPI would be if they actually beat someone in the Top 10, and not just played them….
Unfortunately for the bubble teams, they're also in a cushy position in the ACC where they can just lean on the RPI formula and fail upwards to a bid (and probably a seed).
Disregarding RPI and SOS, my eye test says Virginia belongs but Maryland doesn’t. Unless McNaney plays on his head, Maryland will just lose their first round game anyway; I’d give that slot to a team that plays to win.
Two other issues: ND has nothing to play for today while Duke might catapult to #2, amazingly. Yet ND plays with pride, so if you’re a Blue Devil, I wouldn’t count your chickens just yet.
Finally, how is Breschi on the committee? You think he’ll easily roll over for a deserving team over Tillman’s team, or Tiffany’s? These guys are friends. I’d rather nominate four Fanlax posters to be the committee. Not even kidding. JoeWillie, wgdsr, Wheels, Keno, and Blue Angel (and a few more in forgetting) seem to know strengths and weaknesses here better than Inside Lacrosse or any other pollster.
You can spin against any of the bubble teams, that's why the data matters. And UNC wasn't a threat in 2016 either.
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Three Pennsylvania schools in the NCAAs, a 4th came close - UPenn tbd.
4th time for Engineers.
4th time for Engineers.
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They played MD to 2 without Taylor. Offense completely transformed when he came back. I’m not saying they beat MD, but to act like they didn’t have a chance is a joke.random observer wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 2:12 pmI get your point, but no they wouldn't. 2022 Maryland was one of the best teams in the history of the sport, and idk why people act like ND would've been a serious threat to them. Sure, they played them to a two goal margin early in the season -- but that was at home during by far Maryland's most vulnerable stretch before they went supernova (that and their previous two games against Princeton and a terrible Cuse team where their most competitive games until the championship against Cornell).masondixonlax wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:23 amIf we did the threat or eye test then Notre Dame would be playing for a 3peat in national championships this yearkeno in reno wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:19 amYou're right, Maryland is not a threat. But they earned an invite over any Ivy hopeful, who are not threats either. I mean, you can't be a threat if you lost to UNC, Brown, went 0-4 against 6-10 teams, or "limped in" by losing to Princeton twice in a row, who lost to non-threatening Maryland in one of Maryland's easier wins.coda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:50 amI agree 100%. There is something distasteful about UVa getting in losing 4 straight, but you can understand them getting in. Mostly because the individual talent is so good. They are a threat. Maryland is not a threatFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:46 amLaxDownUnder wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:12 amI don't see the case for UVA either. If anything, they're one of the few teams I feel has shown that they can't beat the top teams in the country.Ozstriker wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 7:57 am Tell me again why UVA is such an automatic? Yea, I get the RPI, but don’t you at least have to win some of those games, and not just play them? Wins against umd (do we know what they are , btw, from a quality perspective?), Harvard (didn’t make the Ivy tourney) and Mich (who before the Big10 tourney, hadn’t beaten anyone). 1-4 in ACC and have lost 4 straight.
Imagine what their RPI would be if they actually beat someone in the Top 10, and not just played them….
Unfortunately for the bubble teams, they're also in a cushy position in the ACC where they can just lean on the RPI formula and fail upwards to a bid (and probably a seed).
Disregarding RPI and SOS, my eye test says Virginia belongs but Maryland doesn’t. Unless McNaney plays on his head, Maryland will just lose their first round game anyway; I’d give that slot to a team that plays to win.
Two other issues: ND has nothing to play for today while Duke might catapult to #2, amazingly. Yet ND plays with pride, so if you’re a Blue Devil, I wouldn’t count your chickens just yet.
Finally, how is Breschi on the committee? You think he’ll easily roll over for a deserving team over Tillman’s team, or Tiffany’s? These guys are friends. I’d rather nominate four Fanlax posters to be the committee. Not even kidding. JoeWillie, wgdsr, Wheels, Keno, and Blue Angel (and a few more in forgetting) seem to know strengths and weaknesses here better than Inside Lacrosse or any other pollster.
You can spin against any of the bubble teams, that's why the data matters. And UNC wasn't a threat in 2016 either.
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I just don’t want Gtown to have to play ND in the quarters if they can get there.coda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 11:15 amI just ran it and I don’t see an advantage in seeding
#1 ND vs Albany- +10.3
#2 Duke vs Lehigh- +7.3
#3 Cuse vs Lehigh 15 - 8 +7
#4 Hop vs Towson 12- 10 +1.9
#5 Virgina vs St Joseph’s 14-11 +3.3
#6 Denver vs Michigan 11-11 -0.7
#7 Maryland vs Princeton 10-11 -0.2
#8 PSU vs Gtown +1.5
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How about cuse then? Duke just blew their doors off 2 nights ago. If dukes out, then cuse has to go tooFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 2:11 pmHGK wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 1:05 pmSo eye test is now what % of the criteria?coda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:57 pmThe issue with the ACC is ceiling and floors. Duke has been up and done all year, but when they play their best, there maybe only 1 team in the country that can match that. Virginia is similar. As much as I want to leave UVa out for losing 4 straight, I still know they are one of a few teams that can win it all. You can say that for all 4 of the ACC teams. I don’t think you say that for the Big 10 or any other conferenceFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:44 pmcoda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:31 amI am a Michigan fan..Finster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:07 amcoda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:50 amI agree 100%. There is something distasteful about UVa getting in losing 4 straight, but you can understand them getting in. Mostly because the individual talent is so good. They are a threat. Maryland is not a threatFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:46 amLaxDownUnder wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:12 amI don't see the case for UVA either. If anything, they're one of the few teams I feel has shown that they can't beat the top teams in the country.Ozstriker wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 7:57 am Tell me again why UVA is such an automatic? Yea, I get the RPI, but don’t you at least have to win some of those games, and not just play them? Wins against umd (do we know what they are , btw, from a quality perspective?), Harvard (didn’t make the Ivy tourney) and Mich (who before the Big10 tourney, hadn’t beaten anyone). 1-4 in ACC and have lost 4 straight.
Imagine what their RPI would be if they actually beat someone in the Top 10, and not just played them….
Unfortunately for the bubble teams, they're also in a cushy position in the ACC where they can just lean on the RPI formula and fail upwards to a bid (and probably a seed).
Disregarding RPI and SOS, my eye test says Virginia belongs but Maryland doesn’t. Unless McNaney plays on his head, Maryland will just lose their first round game anyway; I’d give that slot to a team that plays to win.
Two other issues: ND has nothing to play for today while Duke might catapult to #2, amazingly. Yet ND plays with pride, so if you’re a Blue Devil, I wouldn’t count your chickens just yet.
Finally, how is Breschi on the committee? You think he’ll easily roll over for a deserving team over Tillman’s team, or Tiffany’s? These guys are friends. I’d rather nominate four Fanlax posters to be the committee. Not even kidding. JoeWillie, wgdsr, Wheels, Keno, and Blue Angel (and a few more in forgetting) seem to know strengths and weaknesses here better than Inside Lacrosse or any other pollster.
If ever there were a year to open up the tournament to others, this is that year. And if left to me, I’d be darn certain to throw a curveball at ND for their first game, giving them an unknown like St Joseph’s.
Also I would put you on the committee too, Coda; I have no idea who you root for.
Roger that.
Duke’s performance today makes me want to limit the ACC representation in the NCAA tournament. The same goes for Maryland and the B1G.
Reward hungry scrappy teams.
My eye test now says don’t invite Duke either.
Obviously I’m kidding (sort of), but underperformance drives me crazy in life. The teams which I feel are underperforming to the point I wish they’d be penalized for the tournament are Duke and Maryland. I see zero hunger.
I’m watching the Princeton Penn game. I’d give Penn credit for clawing their way back. That’s hunger. Duke is just lying down today. Embarrassing.
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Penn State might be the last in, they're close to not getting in.
Coaches should have made it clear to the team last night, they played as if they were already in.
Coaches should have made it clear to the team last night, they played as if they were already in.
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Their final game was a two goal win at home over a flawed Duke team that was nowhere near Maryland's level. What transformed their offense as much as anything was that they played against worse defenses down the stretch. I'm sorry but I wasn't remotely impressed with ND that year -- they feasted on bad Cuse and UNC teams, eked out two wins over a so-so Duke team, and lost to everyone else they played with a pulse. And you can't even say that many of the losses were impressive performances, which is why people overindex on the Maryland loss when they defend the Irish -- there's almost nothing else on their 12 game schedule to really point to that screams tournament contender at all, so they have to funnel the eye test towards that one performance. They got rinsed at home by Georgetown, and were beaten by 3-4 goals by average UVA and OSU teams. None of their losses were the type of 50/50 game that were lost by the flip of a coin.BigTurn wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 2:22 pmThey played MD to 2 without Taylor. Offense completely transformed when he came back. I’m not saying they beat MD, but to act like they didn’t have a chance is a joke.random observer wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 2:12 pmI get your point, but no they wouldn't. 2022 Maryland was one of the best teams in the history of the sport, and idk why people act like ND would've been a serious threat to them. Sure, they played them to a two goal margin early in the season -- but that was at home during by far Maryland's most vulnerable stretch before they went supernova (that and their previous two games against Princeton and a terrible Cuse team where their most competitive games until the championship against Cornell).masondixonlax wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:23 amIf we did the threat or eye test then Notre Dame would be playing for a 3peat in national championships this yearkeno in reno wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:19 amYou're right, Maryland is not a threat. But they earned an invite over any Ivy hopeful, who are not threats either. I mean, you can't be a threat if you lost to UNC, Brown, went 0-4 against 6-10 teams, or "limped in" by losing to Princeton twice in a row, who lost to non-threatening Maryland in one of Maryland's easier wins.coda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:50 amI agree 100%. There is something distasteful about UVa getting in losing 4 straight, but you can understand them getting in. Mostly because the individual talent is so good. They are a threat. Maryland is not a threatFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:46 amLaxDownUnder wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:12 amI don't see the case for UVA either. If anything, they're one of the few teams I feel has shown that they can't beat the top teams in the country.Ozstriker wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 7:57 am Tell me again why UVA is such an automatic? Yea, I get the RPI, but don’t you at least have to win some of those games, and not just play them? Wins against umd (do we know what they are , btw, from a quality perspective?), Harvard (didn’t make the Ivy tourney) and Mich (who before the Big10 tourney, hadn’t beaten anyone). 1-4 in ACC and have lost 4 straight.
Imagine what their RPI would be if they actually beat someone in the Top 10, and not just played them….
Unfortunately for the bubble teams, they're also in a cushy position in the ACC where they can just lean on the RPI formula and fail upwards to a bid (and probably a seed).
Disregarding RPI and SOS, my eye test says Virginia belongs but Maryland doesn’t. Unless McNaney plays on his head, Maryland will just lose their first round game anyway; I’d give that slot to a team that plays to win.
Two other issues: ND has nothing to play for today while Duke might catapult to #2, amazingly. Yet ND plays with pride, so if you’re a Blue Devil, I wouldn’t count your chickens just yet.
Finally, how is Breschi on the committee? You think he’ll easily roll over for a deserving team over Tillman’s team, or Tiffany’s? These guys are friends. I’d rather nominate four Fanlax posters to be the committee. Not even kidding. JoeWillie, wgdsr, Wheels, Keno, and Blue Angel (and a few more in forgetting) seem to know strengths and weaknesses here better than Inside Lacrosse or any other pollster.
You can spin against any of the bubble teams, that's why the data matters. And UNC wasn't a threat in 2016 either.
They don't belong in the same sentence as this year's ND squad, let alone '22 Maryland -- which was at minimum a top 5 team in the history of the sport. FWIW I think they should've gotten the final at-large spot over Harvard, but they were no more likely to beat Maryland than any of the other teams with far more deserving resumes who got in ahead of them.
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I’m not arguing their tournament resume. They didn’t take care of business and it cost them, so be it. I agree that team was clearly are not as talented as this ND’s squad, or even last years. I just think they could’ve gave MD a game, but I’m not gonna argue over it.random observer wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 2:45 pmTheir final game was a two goal win at home over a flawed Duke team that was nowhere near Maryland's level. What transformed their offense as much as anything was that they played against worse defenses down the stretch. I'm sorry but I wasn't remotely impressed with ND that year -- they feasted on bad Cuse and UNC teams, eked out two wins over a so-so Duke team, and lost to everyone else they played with a pulse. And you can't even say that many of the losses were impressive performances, which is why people overindex on the Maryland loss when they defend the Irish -- there's almost nothing else on their 12 game schedule to really point to that screams tournament contender at all, so they have to funnel the eye test towards that one performance. They got rinsed at home by Georgetown, and were beaten by 3-4 goals by average UVA and OSU teams. None of their losses were the type of 50/50 game that were lost by the flip of a coin.BigTurn wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 2:22 pmThey played MD to 2 without Taylor. Offense completely transformed when he came back. I’m not saying they beat MD, but to act like they didn’t have a chance is a joke.random observer wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 2:12 pmI get your point, but no they wouldn't. 2022 Maryland was one of the best teams in the history of the sport, and idk why people act like ND would've been a serious threat to them. Sure, they played them to a two goal margin early in the season -- but that was at home during by far Maryland's most vulnerable stretch before they went supernova (that and their previous two games against Princeton and a terrible Cuse team where their most competitive games until the championship against Cornell).masondixonlax wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:23 amIf we did the threat or eye test then Notre Dame would be playing for a 3peat in national championships this yearkeno in reno wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:19 amYou're right, Maryland is not a threat. But they earned an invite over any Ivy hopeful, who are not threats either. I mean, you can't be a threat if you lost to UNC, Brown, went 0-4 against 6-10 teams, or "limped in" by losing to Princeton twice in a row, who lost to non-threatening Maryland in one of Maryland's easier wins.coda wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:50 amI agree 100%. There is something distasteful about UVa getting in losing 4 straight, but you can understand them getting in. Mostly because the individual talent is so good. They are a threat. Maryland is not a threatFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:46 amLaxDownUnder wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:12 amI don't see the case for UVA either. If anything, they're one of the few teams I feel has shown that they can't beat the top teams in the country.Ozstriker wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 7:57 am Tell me again why UVA is such an automatic? Yea, I get the RPI, but don’t you at least have to win some of those games, and not just play them? Wins against umd (do we know what they are , btw, from a quality perspective?), Harvard (didn’t make the Ivy tourney) and Mich (who before the Big10 tourney, hadn’t beaten anyone). 1-4 in ACC and have lost 4 straight.
Imagine what their RPI would be if they actually beat someone in the Top 10, and not just played them….
Unfortunately for the bubble teams, they're also in a cushy position in the ACC where they can just lean on the RPI formula and fail upwards to a bid (and probably a seed).
Disregarding RPI and SOS, my eye test says Virginia belongs but Maryland doesn’t. Unless McNaney plays on his head, Maryland will just lose their first round game anyway; I’d give that slot to a team that plays to win.
Two other issues: ND has nothing to play for today while Duke might catapult to #2, amazingly. Yet ND plays with pride, so if you’re a Blue Devil, I wouldn’t count your chickens just yet.
Finally, how is Breschi on the committee? You think he’ll easily roll over for a deserving team over Tillman’s team, or Tiffany’s? These guys are friends. I’d rather nominate four Fanlax posters to be the committee. Not even kidding. JoeWillie, wgdsr, Wheels, Keno, and Blue Angel (and a few more in forgetting) seem to know strengths and weaknesses here better than Inside Lacrosse or any other pollster.
You can spin against any of the bubble teams, that's why the data matters. And UNC wasn't a threat in 2016 either.
They don't belong in the same sentence as this year's ND squad, let alone '22 Maryland -- which was at minimum a top 5 team in the history of the sport. FWIW I think they should've gotten the final at-large spot over Harvard, but they were no more likely to beat Maryland than any of the other teams with far more deserving resumes who got in ahead of them.
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No chance for Quakers,
Tigers have (sort of, kind of) gotten to Carroll today.
Tigers have (sort of, kind of) gotten to Carroll today.
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Caroll great goalie but if you play that flat on arc you can’t hope for body saves. You have to attack.
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Ivy is meh this year. So are most other conferences.
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Dang this Notre Dame team is great. No idea how they lost to Gtown at home, but I'm they got one so they stay out of the GOAT conversation with the '22 Terps.