Trump's Russian Collusion

[seacoaster]

"Trump comes out this clean as snow, probably the cleanest President evah....who else has been investigated this deep and still comes out without more than little scratch."

Umm, what the f*ck are you talking about? Dip into the avatar while reading the Examiner?

[6ftstick]

How do you obstruct an investigation into a crime that never happened. And the investigator knows it.

This is an idiotic argument.

Case 1: You murder someone and pay someone else $50k to say you were 1,000 miles away. The police have no evidence you committed the murder.

Case 2: You may or may not have murdered someone and pay someone else $50k to say you were 1,000 miles away.

Case 3: Someone was murdered and you were off laundering money somewhere else. You didn't commit the murder but pay someone $50k to say you were 1,000 miles away from the murder.

Case 4: Someone was murdered. You are innocent but pay someone else $50k to say you were 1,000 miles away.



All are obstructions of justice and illegal.

NONE OF THAT HAPPENED.

You would not KNOW of any of these PRIVATE DISCUSSIONS if Trump hadn't waved his executive privilege and didn't let his chief counsel testify for 30 hours to an openly hostile special prosecutor.

[DMac]

6', a few years back Cornell came to the Dome to play Cuse. Had a few Cornell boys siting behind me, good guys, hard core Cornell fans. Was a play in the game when a Cornell boy was given a one minute non releasable for a cross check and push to the back of a Cuse boy who was going after a ground ball. Cornell boys said that was a lousy call, shouldn't have been a penalty. Said the Cuse boy was already falling on his own (he was bent over picking up the GB) and the Cornell boy barely touched him. I told him to take his red glasses off and watch the replay on the big screen in the Dome. He did and saw the same thing he saw when it happened live. It was a blatant (if not a little dirty....hence the non releasable)) and aggressive push from behind which drove the Cuse boy to the turf but the Cornell boy saw what he wanted to see, after all it was one of his boys who couldn't possibly have done anything wrong.
You're the Cornell boy when it comes to Trump, he can do no wrong in your eyes. Your defense of this Prez is meaningless as it comes from a guy who is completely blinded by the big red MAGA hat and swallows his big line of BS hook, line, and sinker.

[OCanada]

6’ is an aspirational name. He makes it up as he goes along. Sooner or later his hypocrisy emerges. You are spot on. Facts don’t matter. In some ways a solipsist.

[MDlaxfan76]

Frank Bruni's Wednesday Newsletter:

"I have an odd request, and it concerns Robert Mueller’s report, a redacted version of which will be released by the Justice Department tomorrow.

Please ignore it.

Maybe not “ignore” — I’m overstating my case — but please stop treating or at least talking about it as the referendum on Donald Trump’s presidency. Please stop casting or letting others cast it as some definitive judgment about the wrongness or rightness of his ascent to the White House, as some binding verdict on whether his behavior there has gone beyond the pale.

Do you — does anyone — really need the work of Mueller and his team to come to a conclusion about that? How important is evidence not yet revealed when so much of what Trump does is conspicuous, when the essence of his character is proudly unhidden? You know it from his words, spoken and tweeted and intemperate to the point of viciousness. You know it from his aides, current and former, whose nagging senses of patriotism and propriety lead them to leak about the extreme requests that he has made and that they have thwarted.

You know it in your bones.

And that’s the problem with the Mueller obsession. It implies that Trump is defined by whether he actively conspired with Russian officials to attain power. It suggests that the jury on his integrity is out, that the puzzle of his full nature is unsolved.

Are there missing pieces, without which exact degrees of malfeasance can’t be determined? Yes. And some of them will probably be missing forever.
But they’re not necessary, not to appraise him morally as opposed to criminally.

From his spasmodic activism before he formally entered politics, from his furious campaign for the presidency and from his two and a quarter years in office, you have the truth of Trump. You need nothing more to decide that he has been persecuted and is no worse in his way than other presidents were in theirs, or to take a darker view, which I do.

To discuss the Mueller report as some climax and turning point is to empower various partisans — the president and his supporters chief among them — in their efforts to parse and characterize it to their liking and turn it into propaganda for that small but pivotal minority of Americans whose votes in 2020 aren’t foreordained.

That lets political gamesmanship and public relations eclipse common sense. And it’s no way to make America sane again."

Sounds like Franks got an inkling the report will have nothing in it. So who needs to concentrate on an investigation thats held libs breathless for nearly 3 years. That stifled any forward movement by an administration that was accomplishing a great deal.

Nahhh we ain't got to show you no stinking report!

"stifled any forward movement"...with a GOP House and Senate???

or do you mean that it contributed to an historically big gap in votes in the 2018 election?

It did its job didn't it. Americans believed their president was a russian agent and republicans stayed away from trumps agenda in droves. It worked gloriously.

Huh?
Which Republicans stayed away from what part of Trump's agenda...in droves?
Give us some specifics please.

BTW, I continue to believe that Trump is compromised by the Russians. The report shows that Trump lied over and over and over again about his and others' relationships with the Russians, and they knew it. It also shows that he repeatedly encouraged others to lie.

That's the bottom-line.

[dislaxxic]

I also had to tune into FNC to see what they were talking about. Lot of "dossier" nonsense. Lot of "FISA" nonsense. The dope Newt Gingrich this morning was off the rails, as usual. These people are doing themselves and the country a huge disservice. We hear echos of it in 6', c&s and ya's comments. Blame Obama. Blame Hillary. Blame Comey. Blame ANYfrigginBODY but those responsible for the Big Con. Don Jr. is "just too stupid" to actually enter into a conspiracy. The Con isn't governing now cause he's too busy watching cable, scarfing cheeseburglers and streaming slovakian midget pornhub. No ambassadors in place. No Defense Secretary. Swamp overflowing with shady numbnuts. You're right, A Fan, it's simply unbelievable that rank and file GOP voters are not out with pitchforks for this bunch of incompetent bungholes. All they're doing is pumping quacks into the judicial system and setting up plans for the Trump Riyad Tower and Burger Joint.

I think the worm is turning. ANY person in the WORLD that committed acts described in this Report (OK, not Vlad or Un) would be frog-marching in cuffs to prison for these things right now. OLC "guidance" has kept him on the street.

PMM said it yesterday: "I want to prepare for the possibility that tomorrow we’ll be debating whether a President can obstruct justice to prevent voters from learning how badly he and his dumb son compromised themselves in an foreign intelligence operation in the course of running a presidential election to get rich."

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[6ftstick]

I also had to tune into FNC to see what they were talking about. Lot of "dossier" nonsense. Lot of "FISA" nonsense. The dope Newt Gingrich this morning was off the rails, as usual. These people are doing themselves and the country a huge disservice. We hear echos of it in 6', c&s and ya's comments. Blame Obama. Blame Hillary. Blame Comey. Blame ANYfrigginBODY but those responsible for the Big Con. Don Jr. is "just too stupid" to actually enter into a conspiracy. The Con isn't governing now cause he's too busy watching cable, scarfing cheeseburglers and streaming slovakian midget pornhub. No ambassadors in place. No Defense Secretary. Swamp overflowing with shady numbnuts. You're right, A Fan, it's simply unbelievable that rank and file GOP voters are not out with pitchforks for this bunch of incompetent bungholes. All they're doing is pumping quacks into the judicial system and setting up plans for the Trump Riyad Tower and Burger Joint.

I think the worm is turning. ANY person in the WORLD that committed acts described in this Report (OK, not Vlad or Un) would be frog-marching in cuffs to prison for these things right now. OLC "guidance" has kept him on the street.

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FISA nonsense?

Dossier nonsense?

Boy are you in for a treat!

[6ftstick]

6', a few years back Cornell came to the Dome to play Cuse. Had a few Cornell boys siting behind me, good guys, hard core Cornell fans. Was a play in the game when a Cornell boy was given a one minute non releasable for a cross check and push to the back of a Cuse boy who was going after a ground ball. Cornell boys said that was a lousy call, shouldn't have been a penalty. Said the Cuse boy was already falling on his own (he was bent over picking up the GB) and the Cornell boy barely touched him. I told him to take his red glasses off and watch the replay on the big screen in the Dome. He did and saw the same thing he saw when it happened live. It was a blatant (if not a little dirty....hence the non releasable)) and aggressive push from behind which drove the Cuse boy to the turf but the Cornell boy saw what he wanted to see, after all it was one of his boys who couldn't possibly have done anything wrong.
You're the Cornell boy when it comes to Trump, he can do no wrong in your eyes. Your defense of this Prez is meaningless as it comes from a guy who is completely blinded by the big red MAGA hat and swallows his big line of BS hook, line, and sinker.

I seem to recall blind allegiance from all the libs when Barack was in charge.

The difference however

Barack said ISIS was the new norm we had to learn to live with it. Now they're gone no more beheadings or crucifixions. No more territory. no more caliphate. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Barack said manufacturing jobs were GONE FOREVER. He asked "what's Trump going to do wave a magic wand to get those jobs back." Now theres 500,000 new manufacturing jobs. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Barry said 2% GDP was the best we could ever hope for. Now.......Again Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Shall I go on.

[3rdPersonPlural]

[CU88]

Love this!

[DMac]

6', a few years back Cornell came to the Dome to play Cuse. Had a few Cornell boys siting behind me, good guys, hard core Cornell fans. Was a play in the game when a Cornell boy was given a one minute non releasable for a cross check and push to the back of a Cuse boy who was going after a ground ball. Cornell boys said that was a lousy call, shouldn't have been a penalty. Said the Cuse boy was already falling on his own (he was bent over picking up the GB) and the Cornell boy barely touched him. I told him to take his red glasses off and watch the replay on the big screen in the Dome. He did and saw the same thing he saw when it happened live. It was a blatant (if not a little dirty....hence the non releasable)) and aggressive push from behind which drove the Cuse boy to the turf but the Cornell boy saw what he wanted to see, after all it was one of his boys who couldn't possibly have done anything wrong.
You're the Cornell boy when it comes to Trump, he can do no wrong in your eyes. Your defense of this Prez is meaningless as it comes from a guy who is completely blinded by the big red MAGA hat and swallows his big line of BS hook, line, and sinker.

I seem to recall blind allegiance from all the libs when Barack was in charge.

The difference however

Barack said ISIS was the new norm we had to learn to live with it. Now they're gone no more beheadings or crucifixions. No more territory. no more caliphate. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Barack said manufacturing jobs were GONE FOREVER. He asked "what's Trump going to do wave a magic wand to get those jobs back." Now theres 500,000 new manufacturing jobs. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Barry said 2% GDP was the best we could ever hope for. Now.......Again Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Shall I go on.

No, don't go on cuz nothing I said has a GD thing to do with Barack. He's history, an ex Prez who had nothing to do with shaping of our immoral, indecent, Bloviator in Chief.

[6ftstick]

6', a few years back Cornell came to the Dome to play Cuse. Had a few Cornell boys siting behind me, good guys, hard core Cornell fans. Was a play in the game when a Cornell boy was given a one minute non releasable for a cross check and push to the back of a Cuse boy who was going after a ground ball. Cornell boys said that was a lousy call, shouldn't have been a penalty. Said the Cuse boy was already falling on his own (he was bent over picking up the GB) and the Cornell boy barely touched him. I told him to take his red glasses off and watch the replay on the big screen in the Dome. He did and saw the same thing he saw when it happened live. It was a blatant (if not a little dirty....hence the non releasable)) and aggressive push from behind which drove the Cuse boy to the turf but the Cornell boy saw what he wanted to see, after all it was one of his boys who couldn't possibly have done anything wrong.
You're the Cornell boy when it comes to Trump, he can do no wrong in your eyes. Your defense of this Prez is meaningless as it comes from a guy who is completely blinded by the big red MAGA hat and swallows his big line of BS hook, line, and sinker.

I seem to recall blind allegiance from all the libs when Barack was in charge.

The difference however

Barack said ISIS was the new norm we had to learn to live with it. Now they're gone no more beheadings or crucifixions. No more territory. no more caliphate. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Barack said manufacturing jobs were GONE FOREVER. He asked "what's Trump going to do wave a magic wand to get those jobs back." Now theres 500,000 new manufacturing jobs. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Barry said 2% GDP was the best we could ever hope for. Now.......Again Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Shall I go on.

No, don't go on cuz nothing I said has a GD thing to do with Barack. He's history, an ex Prez who had nothing to do with shaping of our immoral, indecent, Bloviator in Chief.

I'm sorry the next few weeks are going to be just unbearable for you folks.

[dislaxxic]

Hold your breath on that one, 6...the heat is on and getting turned up on The Con.

The story coming out from fringe right Trumpists =



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[holmes435]

I seem to recall blind allegiance from all the libs when Barack was in charge.

Blind allegiance? Not sure what forum you were on, but there wasn't a ton on here outside of two or three posters. Most of us are critical of both sides (but some sides deserve more criticism).

The difference however

Barack said ISIS was the new norm we had to learn to live with it. Now they're gone no more beheadings or crucifixions. No more territory. no more caliphate. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.

NOPE. Obama never said ISIS was the new norm. He said small scale terror attacks are the new norm. Guess what kind of terror attacks have happened in the US since 9/11? That's right, small scale terror attacks

Barack said manufacturing jobs were GONE FOREVER. He asked "what's Trump going to do wave a magic wand to get those jobs back." Now theres 500,000 new manufacturing jobs. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.

NOPE.. Obama said "some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back" when talking about things like automation. He also said some jobs are coming back, and talked about how many manufacturing jobs were created during his presidency after the recession, which was something like 800,000 manufacturing jobs.

Barry said 2% GDP was the best we could ever hope for. Now.......Again Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Shall I go on.

NOPE. They said the 21st century growth is going to be slower due to the retirement of boomers. Nothing about a 2% limit. GDP growth is still averaging around 2.5% for Trump.

But please go on, but in another thread. You're bringing a butter knife to a gun fight and it amuses me.

[dislaxxic]

As for all the sturm und drang about FISA and dossiers and mean texts and investigate the investigators...ask yourself this: Did Don and his family KNOW that Russians were out there wanting to help him and his campaign? Did they report that or attempt in ANY way to discourage it?

You bet he did. You bet they didn't. It's all sitting out there in plain sight.

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[MDlaxfan76]

As for all the sturm und drang about FISA and dossiers and mean texts and investigate the investigators...ask yourself this: Did Don and his family KNOW that Russians were out there wanting to help him and his campaign? Did they report that or attempt in ANY way to discourage it?

You bet he did. You bet they didn't. It's all sitting out there in plain sight.

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I think what we've learned through these discussions on the forum is that Trumpists really don't care.

It may be horrifying to the rest of us, but that's just the way it is, and is going to be.

35% of Americans actually want a dishonest, authoritarian who tells them what they want to hear.
It's not just that they tolerate all that makes him despicable and dangerous, they celebrate it.
He's 'fighting for them'.
Again, 'horrifying,' but that's what we can see from our Trumpist posters.

There's another 10% that may be persuadable to support someone else if that person doesn't scare them as too extreme on policy views. But they'll probably stick to party, or stay home.

And 5% that are very likely to go with nearly anyone but Trump, though are hoping they don't need to go too far left.

Meaning that 55% of America is currently in the anyone but Trump camp. With another up to 10% potentially persuadable.

But if that's the way it breaks, it's a landslide.

The only thing that makes it potentially close is the electoral college.

The 35% is going to be highly motivated to turn out.
Will the 55% be as motivated? Well, if 2018 is any indicator, you betcha.

[CU88]

Six Foot -- that's bull shirt. Trump had plenty of dirty actions. On just one situation.

Trump ordered McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn said he wouldn't do it and prepared to resign.

NY Times then reports that Trump ordered McGahn to fire Mueller. Trump pressures McGahn repeatedly to lie and say Trump didn't do that. McGahn says the reporting is true and refuses. Trump challenges McGahn for taking accurate notes and also providing accurate testimony to Mueller.

Trump then directs Rob Porter to order McGahn to create a false record that Trump didn't ask for Mueller to be fired. Porter tells McGahn he'll be fired if he doesn't write the fake letter. McGahn tells Porter to fork off.

Trump calls McGahn into the Oval Office and tells McGahn he needs to correct the NY Times story. McGahn tells Trump to fork off.

Trump totally obstructed justice. But Trump is ineffective at it because he is also a wimp.

Trump knows theres no collusion. MUELLER knows there s no collusion. Yet Mueller continues the investigation with nothing to investigate for 675 days.

Trump should have fired them all. BUT HE DIDN'T

How do you obstruct an investigation into a crime that never happened. And the investigator knows it.

Ha HA HA! This was even better reading it the second time.

[dislaxxic]

How do you obstruct an investigation into a crime that never happened. And the investigator knows it.

Here's how...

The Obstruction Case Against Trump that Barr Tried to Hide

The Donald's Kakistocracy is heading to the gallows...and taking the GOP with it...

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[Typical Lax Dad]

I seem to recall blind allegiance from all the libs when Barack was in charge.

Blind allegiance? Not sure what forum you were on, but there wasn't a ton on here outside of two or three posters. Most of us are critical of both sides (but some sides deserve more criticism).

The difference however

Barack said ISIS was the new norm we had to learn to live with it. Now they're gone no more beheadings or crucifixions. No more territory. no more caliphate. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.

NOPE. Obama never said ISIS was the new norm. He said small scale terror attacks are the new norm. Guess what kind of terror attacks have happened in the US since 9/11? That's right, small scale terror attacks

Barack said manufacturing jobs were GONE FOREVER. He asked "what's Trump going to do wave a magic wand to get those jobs back." Now theres 500,000 new manufacturing jobs. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.

NOPE.. Obama said "some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back" when talking about things like automation. He also said some jobs are coming back, and talked about how many manufacturing jobs were created during his presidency after the recession, which was something like 800,000 manufacturing jobs.

Barry said 2% GDP was the best we could ever hope for. Now.......Again Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Shall I go on.

NOPE. They said the 21st century growth is going to be slower due to the retirement of boomers. Nothing about a 2% limit. GDP growth is still averaging around 2.5% for Trump.

But please go on, but in another thread. You're bringing a butter knife to a gun fight and it amuses me.

the real numbers

[CU88]

6', a few years back Cornell came to the Dome to play Cuse. Had a few Cornell boys siting behind me, good guys, hard core Cornell fans. Was a play in the game when a Cornell boy was given a one minute non releasable for a cross check and push to the back of a Cuse boy who was going after a ground ball. Cornell boys said that was a lousy call, shouldn't have been a penalty. Said the Cuse boy was already falling on his own (he was bent over picking up the GB) and the Cornell boy barely touched him. I told him to take his red glasses off and watch the replay on the big screen in the Dome. He did and saw the same thing he saw when it happened live. It was a blatant (if not a little dirty....hence the non releasable)) and aggressive push from behind which drove the Cuse boy to the turf but the Cornell boy saw what he wanted to see, after all it was one of his boys who couldn't possibly have done anything wrong.
You're the Cornell boy when it comes to Trump, he can do no wrong in your eyes. Your defense of this Prez is meaningless as it comes from a guy who is completely blinded by the big red MAGA hat and swallows his big line of BS hook, line, and sinker.

I seem to recall blind allegiance from all the libs when Barack was in charge.

The difference however

Barack said ISIS was the new norm we had to learn to live with it. Now they're gone no more beheadings or crucifixions. No more territory. no more caliphate. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Barack said manufacturing jobs were GONE FOREVER. He asked "what's Trump going to do wave a magic wand to get those jobs back." Now theres 500,000 new manufacturing jobs. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Barry said 2% GDP was the best we could ever hope for. Now.......Again Barry was wrong and you supported him.

Shall I go on.

I do think that you should get a gold star for not mentioning HRC!

LOL