2022 Midterms

[elonmuskrockefeller]

Incorrect so far as allowing just anyone to do so. Worst fact checker ever.

Florida law allows a person of the voter's choice—except for an employer, an agent of the employer, or a union officer or agent—to assist in casting mail ballots of voters needing assistance due to blindness, disability, or inability to read or write. The law states the following:

"Any elector applying to cast a vote-by-mail ballot in the office of the supervisor, in any election, who requires assistance to vote by reason of blindness, disability, or inability to read or write may request the assistance of some person of his or her own choice, other than the elector’s employer, an agent of the employer, or an officer or agent of his or her union, in casting his or her vote-by-mail ballot."

Read the law here.

Don't need to, Pete. Remeber: you're telling us that the Dems are cheating. Meaning: breaking the law. You can't even keep your story as to what is happening straight for five minutes.

Maybe bold will help: You're telling us that Dems in Florida are breaking this law, remember?

The ONLY way for DeSantis to stop this cheating of yours, is to ban remote voting. Make them vote in person, ID in hand. Problem solved.

He's not doing that, Pete. And you don't care, because you're not remotely serious about these allegations of cheating.

It's awesome.

I have not said that 'Democrats are breaking the law'. Please find that and get back to me.

Democrats are abusing the laws as laid out in the close states, but not breaking the law (if someone signs an outdated voter ballot, that's breaking the law, and I suspect we will find those situations over the next couple of years as records are reviewed). Republicans need to do the same to level the playing field. And will.

The first law that needs to be passed is for anyone to be able to open-source review the ballots cast from whom, not who they voted for, but to verify that those voters actually exist. You okay with that or nah?

[elonmuskrockefeller]

Florida does it right. They do not allow voting months in advance.

Stop the trolling BS Petey.

In Colorado, ballots were mailed this year on October 17. Early in person voting started October 24.

Agree that FL has a good election system. Thanks to Jeb Bush leading the charge to clean it up after the 2000 election.

RonDe never would have done that. Only a RINO would do that job.

I thought Ron was a "fascist"...wouldn't a fascist simply overrule all election laws, heck even cancel elections? jhu72 tells you that Ron has goon squad of poll enforcers whose only job is to suppress minority voters...and yet, no one ever sees this goon squad. Amazing.

Meanwhile, Desantis has to juggle two hurricanes and still got all the counting done the same night of the election. I'd say the guy seems qualified to run even bigger things than the state of Florida.

Ok Petey, you get called out for a lie and instead of even attempting to explain it, or admit you were wrong, you pivot to extreme (and stupid) comments, putting words in others mouths that certainly weren't remotely close to what they said.

Then some more dumb headed fawning over DeSantis?

Where's the hotwife comment? Need that to make it complete.
or maybe some christian nationalism with the hotwife?

Is Ron a fascist, MD? Is every Republican now a fascist? You casually toss the word around, I figured I would as well. Maybe you don't know what it means?

DeSantis is a fascist. Period. No, not all republicans are fascists.

You agree with jhu772, MD?

[jhu72]

The strategy from Democrats forever has been to legalize ballot harvesting via mail-in balloting. One operative can attack a housing development, and in a matter of one hour gather up every honest and every dishonest ballot and simply drop them off to the voting halls. Do you realize how many old and incorrect addresses exist for every state that does this?

So why doesn't you man DeSantis and his R Sec of State allow mail in and absentee ballots, Pete?

If this is so bad, where's DeSantis on forcing 100% of voting to take place in person, on Election Day, ID in hand?


Yet another in the long list of questions you can't answer.

Florida does it right. They do not allow voting months in advance.

NO STATE ALLOWS VOTING "MONTHS" IN ADVANCE. 2-4 weeks max. Which is a good idea. It works the same way day of voting works in most states. All this complaining is just bullsh*t. The states that take longest to deliver results are simply not investing in the infrastructure to do it faster - that is all! No conspiracy, just economics, pure and simple.

False information above.

PA allows 50 days mail-in voting ahead of voting. 50 (or 7.15 weeks)

The following states allow up to 40-45-46 days of early voting:

Illinois, Minnesota, Mississippi, VT, SD, VA, WY.

... still not months! All less than 2 months. 7 at 6 weeks, One at 7 weeks. 8 of 51 greater than 4 weeks.

Doesn't change the fact that your point is crybaby bullsh*t. There is no problem with early voting. It gives minorities flexibility - that is your true complaint.

Is Vermont a minority-heavy state? South Dakota?

... You are not complaining about Vermont or South Dakota specifically. You are crying about "early voting". It also gives poorer white voters flexibility also makes sense in low population density states generally (like South Dakota). It is democracy! Encouraging people to vote.

[SCLaxAttack]

At this point it might be useful to look back at the ONLY instance of mail-in ballot fraud in recent history that almost (almost because, as is typical of US elections, procedures are implemented to catch this sort of c-rap) caused an improper result. Shockingly :

It involved someone trying to influence an election towards a Republican candidate.

That Republican candidate was, of all things, a pastor.

The fraud wasn't to add to the Republican candidate's numbers, it was to reduce his opponent's numbers. Both voter fraud AND voter suppression.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Harr ... olitician)

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... oter-fraud

[elonmuskrockefeller]

At this point it might be useful to look back at the ONLY instance of mail-in ballot fraud in recent history that almost (almost because, as is typical of US elections, procedures are implemented to catch this sort of c-rap) caused an improper result. Shockingly :

It involved someone trying to influence an election towards a Republican candidate.

That Republican candidate was, of all things, a pastor.

The fraud wasn't to add to the Republican candidate's numbers, it was to reduce his opponent's numbers. Both voter fraud AND voter suppression.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Harr ... olitician)

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... oter-fraud

Actually this instance of Democratic outright voting fraud also involved mail ballots, but the charges related specifically to machines:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/pr/fo ... tion-fraud

'bUt PhiLAdeLpHiA VoTinG iS sECuRe'

[jhu72]

Based on one California district called yesterday to remain republican and additional incomplete vote count releases, at least 3 entities are saying they think it is very likely that the republicans will win 220 in the house, sufficient for House control. AP, NBC and Cook analyst David Wasserman.

Let the blood letting in the House begin!

[SCLaxAttack]

At this point it might be useful to look back at the ONLY instance of mail-in ballot fraud in recent history that almost (almost because, as is typical of US elections, procedures are implemented to catch this sort of c-rap) caused an improper result. Shockingly :

It involved someone trying to influence an election towards a Republican candidate.

That Republican candidate was, of all things, a pastor.

The fraud wasn't to add to the Republican candidate's numbers, it was to reduce his opponent's numbers. Both voter fraud AND voter suppression.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Harr ... olitician)

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... oter-fraud

Actually this instance of Democratic outright voting fraud also involved mail ballots, but the charges related specifically to machines:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/pr/fo ... tion-fraud

'bUt PhiLAdeLpHiA VoTinG iS sECuRe'

Terrible at reading comprehension. Does someone with more patience than I want to tell this Elon Rocky feller what "that almost (almost because, as is typical of US elections, procedures are implemented to catch this sort of c-rap) caused an improper result" means?

[a fan]

Based on one California district called yesterday to remain republican and additional incomplete vote count releases, at least 3 entities are saying they think it is very likely that the republicans will win 220 in the house, sufficient for House control. AP, NBC and Cook analyst David Wasserman.

Let the blood letting in the House begin!

Not possible!!! The Dems fixes the elections!! NO WAY can the R's win-----multiple Republican posters have told us so!!

Someone tell Elon-Pete. He's going to have to move his goalposts again.

[elonmuskrockefeller]

Based on one California district called yesterday to remain republican and additional incomplete vote count releases, at least 3 entities are saying they think it is very likely that the republicans will win 220 in the house, sufficient for House control. AP, NBC and Cook analyst David Wasserman.

Let the blood letting in the House begin!

Not possible!!! The Dems fixes the elections!! NO WAY can the R's win-----multiple Republican posters have told us so!!

Someone tell Elon-Pete. He's going to have to move his goalposts again.

Missing the proven points, yet again.

Ballot harvesting with zero guardrails is not illegal, but should be. Democrats use zero guardrail ballot harvesting to collect votes in cities where they dominate.

Republicans, if they want to win statewide races where zero-guardrail ballot harvesting is legal, need to counteract that effort with similar moves should they wish to win statewide races.

Winning the House isn't exactly a repudiation of the existence of zero guardrail ballot harvesting.

[jhu72]

It looks like the dems elected a House member who is going to make MTG's life miserable. Citizen Robert Garcia (Gay legal immigrant). He will likely trigger other MAGA scum bags as well.

[a fan]

Missing the proven points, yet again.

Ballot harvesting with zero guardrails is not illegal, but should be. Democrats use zero guardrail ballot harvesting to collect votes in cities where they dominate.

That's where you're landing, and you're telling me that this is your only complaint?

My response is: you don't get to tell other States how to run their races, my man. Sorry. Quit complaining. You have no standing.

Or would you like the people of California to write the voting rules for Florida?

[a fan]

Winning the House isn't exactly a repudiation of the existence of zero guardrail ballot harvesting.

It's a complete repudiation of your previous assertion widespread fraud. So is DeSantis' win. So are all the other Republican wins all over our great nation.

[PizzaSnake]

Incorrect so far as allowing just anyone to do so. Worst fact checker ever.

Florida law allows a person of the voter's choice—except for an employer, an agent of the employer, or a union officer or agent—to assist in casting mail ballots of voters needing assistance due to blindness, disability, or inability to read or write. The law states the following:

"Any elector applying to cast a vote-by-mail ballot in the office of the supervisor, in any election, who requires assistance to vote by reason of blindness, disability, or inability to read or write may request the assistance of some person of his or her own choice, other than the elector’s employer, an agent of the employer, or an officer or agent of his or her union, in casting his or her vote-by-mail ballot."

Read the law here.

Don't need to, Pete. Remeber: you're telling us that the Dems are cheating. Meaning: breaking the law. You can't even keep your story as to what is happening straight for five minutes.

Maybe bold will help: You're telling us that Dems in Florida are breaking this law, remember?

The ONLY way for DeSantis to stop this cheating of yours, is to ban remote voting. Make them vote in person, ID in hand. Problem solved.

He's not doing that, Pete. And you don't care, because you're not remotely serious about these allegations of cheatin
It's awesome.

I have not said that 'Democrats are breaking the law'. Please find that and get back to me.

Democrats are abusing the laws as laid out in the close states, but not breaking the law (if someone signs an outdated voter ballot, that's breaking the law, and I suspect we will find those situations over the next couple of years as records are reviewed). Republicans need to do the same to level the playing field. And will.

The first law that needs to be passed is for anyone to be able to open-source review the ballots cast from whom, not who they voted for, but to verify that those voters actually exist. You okay with that or nah?

"The first law that needs to be passed is for anyone to be able to open-source review the ballots cast from whom, not who they voted for, but to verify that those voters actually exist. You okay with that or nah?"

You okay with paying for that "service"? How would the funds be procured? Fed or state taxes? Fees (starts to sound like a poll-tax in disguise)?

You okay with that or nah?

If you don't want to generate new funding, what current service would you like to forego? Are you planning on a referendum to see if your fellow citizens in whatever state you claim to reside in today feel about it?

[elonmuskrockefeller]

Missing the proven points, yet again.

Ballot harvesting with zero guardrails is not illegal, but should be. Democrats use zero guardrail ballot harvesting to collect votes in cities where they dominate.

That's where you're landing, and you're telling me that this is your only complaint?

My response is: you don't get to tell other States how to run their races, my man. Sorry. Quit complaining. You have no standing.

Or would you like the people of California to write the voting rules for Florida?

I have never said I do. I only say that Pennsylvania Republicans must meet the enemy where they are winning. Do exactly what they are doing. Win the races playing by the existing rules, then change the law. It is the only way out. Democrats are already finagling to allow illegal immigrants to vote in US elections. If you don't win the next race, maybe two, this country is so screwed.

[elonmuskrockefeller]

Winning the House isn't exactly a repudiation of the existence of zero guardrail ballot harvesting.

It's a complete repudiation of your previous assertion widespread fraud. So is DeSantis' win. So are all the other Republican wins all over our great nation.

Florida maintains probably the best voting system in the country. Your previous assertion that Florida allows zero-guardrail ballot harvesting was laughable. Desantis' win, by 20%...., is testament to Florida voters of both parties and Independents recognizing and rewarding the guy for his demonstrated executive leadership. It has zero to do with fraud or even loose laws.

Fetterman on the other hand...what an absurd clown that guy is. Pennsylvanians are waking up to a massive hangover, done in by crappy laws that allowed New York progressives to come in and cost the state 2x! Not only with Oz's loss, but also Conor Lamb's, who is obviously a more serious player than Fetterman will be in 50 lifetimes.

[elonmuskrockefeller]

Incorrect so far as allowing just anyone to do so. Worst fact checker ever.

Florida law allows a person of the voter's choice—except for an employer, an agent of the employer, or a union officer or agent—to assist in casting mail ballots of voters needing assistance due to blindness, disability, or inability to read or write. The law states the following:

"Any elector applying to cast a vote-by-mail ballot in the office of the supervisor, in any election, who requires assistance to vote by reason of blindness, disability, or inability to read or write may request the assistance of some person of his or her own choice, other than the elector’s employer, an agent of the employer, or an officer or agent of his or her union, in casting his or her vote-by-mail ballot."

Read the law here.

Don't need to, Pete. Remeber: you're telling us that the Dems are cheating. Meaning: breaking the law. You can't even keep your story as to what is happening straight for five minutes.

Maybe bold will help: You're telling us that Dems in Florida are breaking this law, remember?

The ONLY way for DeSantis to stop this cheating of yours, is to ban remote voting. Make them vote in person, ID in hand. Problem solved.

He's not doing that, Pete. And you don't care, because you're not remotely serious about these allegations of cheatin
It's awesome.

I have not said that 'Democrats are breaking the law'. Please find that and get back to me.

Democrats are abusing the laws as laid out in the close states, but not breaking the law (if someone signs an outdated voter ballot, that's breaking the law, and I suspect we will find those situations over the next couple of years as records are reviewed). Republicans need to do the same to level the playing field. And will.

The first law that needs to be passed is for anyone to be able to open-source review the ballots cast from whom, not who they voted for, but to verify that those voters actually exist. You okay with that or nah?

"The first law that needs to be passed is for anyone to be able to open-source review the ballots cast from whom, not who they voted for, but to verify that those voters actually exist. You okay with that or nah?"

You okay with paying for that "service"? How would the funds be procured? Fed or state taxes? Fees (starts to sound like a poll-tax in disguise)?

You okay with that or nah?

If you don't want to generate new funding, what current service would you like to forego? Are you planning on a referendum to see if your fellow citizens in whatever state you claim to reside in today feel about it?

Why would we need additional funding? Those tools for the most part already exist. We simply need to open-source the data to anyone who wishes to do some diligence.

https://www.vote.org/ballot-tracker-tools/

[a fan]

Florida maintains probably the best voting system in the country. Your previous assertion that Florida allows zero-guardrail ballot harvesting was laughable.

It is, is it.

Here's a riddle, Pete: there are 10 people in assisted living. Each of their votes arrives on time at the appropriate election station.

Tell me: who mailed the ballots? One of the ten? Ten of the ten?

Good luck.

This, btw, is how I can tell your team isn't serious about this issue. You don't spend even five minutes thinking through voting scenarios. It's hilarious, and reveals your true motive.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Florida maintains probably the best voting system in the country. Your previous assertion that Florida allows zero-guardrail ballot harvesting was laughable.

It is, is it.

Here's a riddle, Pete: there are 10 people in assisted living. Each of their votes arrives on time at the appropriate election station.

Tell me: who mailed the ballots? One of the ten? Ten of the ten?

Good luck.

This, btw, is how I can tell your team isn't serious about this issue. You don't spend even five minutes thinking through voting scenarios. It's hilarious, and reveals your true motive.

That’s ballot harvesting. If you can’t get to the polling station, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. And votes should only be counted during the 24 hours of the election day. Open polls at midnight and close them at 3:00 pm and the rest of the day should be dedicated to counting votes for just that day.

[a fan]

Florida maintains probably the best voting system in the country. Your previous assertion that Florida allows zero-guardrail ballot harvesting was laughable.

It is, is it.

Here's a riddle, Pete: there are 10 people in assisted living. Each of their votes arrives on time at the appropriate election station.

Tell me: who mailed the ballots? One of the ten? Ten of the ten?

Good luck.

This, btw, is how I can tell your team isn't serious about this issue. You don't spend even five minutes thinking through voting scenarios. It's hilarious, and reveals your true motive.

That’s ballot harvesting. If you can’t get to the polling station, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. And votes should only be counted during the 24 hours of the election day. Open polls at midnight and close them at 3:00 pm and the rest of the day should be dedicated to counting votes for just that day.

Not possible, TLD. Elon here swears that Florida has the best voting system.

How could the "best voting system" according to Muskie here allow for such a thing?

[jhu72]

Krysten Sinema has a big problem. Especially if Warnock wins, which I think is very likely. No democrat will stand with her. The entire Arizona party is fed up with her behavior. She is going to be primaried by the party faithful I suspect in 24. She will need to tow the line in the upcoming congress, or she is done I suspect. Arizona democrats have sufficient talent and experience in the House to replace her.