Way too early rankings

[Qckstk]

You want Army to play Marist again? Better talk to Alberici because I guarantee you it’s not coach Wilks who ”hasn’t been able to find an opening in his schedule “ for the past to years to schedule a replay.

[Laxfan#1969]

The final media poll from last year,

Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Virginia (14 - 4) 320 (16) 5
2 Maryland (15 - 1) 304 2
3 North Carolina (13 - 3) 288 1
4 Notre Dame (8 - 4) 264 4
5 Duke (14 - 3) 258 3
6 Rutgers (9 - 4) 239 9
7 Georgetown (13 - 3) 222 6
8 Loyola (10 - 6) 216 12
9 Denver (12 - 5) 172 7
10 Lehigh (10 - 2) 157 8
11 Syracuse (7 - 6) 154 10
12 Drexel (10 - 3) 153 11
13 Army (7 - 4) 110 13
14 Bryant (9 - 4) 99 19
15 Vermont (9 - 5) 93 15
16 High Point (8 - 6) 82 16
17 Villanova (7 - 5) 64 14
18 Navy (6 - 3) 42 17
19 Delaware (10 - 3) 28 18
20 Johns Hopkins (4 - 9) 24 20
20 Monmouth (8 - 3) 24 25

Arrow pointing up, relative to 2021
Arrow pointing down
No color = no significant change in either direction

Just one man's opinion. Not sure how many spots I'd move each team up or down, but this is about how I see last year's top 20 teams performing in 2022 relative to the final media poll of 2021. Based mostly on who each team loses/gains to graduation and transfers with a little bit of consideration toward incoming freshmen classes.

I like this way of viewing it. And agree with most of your shading - adding in MD's comment - the Hoo's should be shaded Red. But, with that said in my opinion - if you win it all, you start the next year at #1 until proven otherwise. As a fan, I prefer the underdog role, so I would rather the ranking come out with UVA at 4 or 5 rather than 1.

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don't care hoo you put anywhere else, this works out fine. given it's not likely in pre-season polls, maybe they can drop the traditional opener vs loyola and get there.

This is the first game for next year I believe for both schools, same as always. Given the track record this is more of a test for loyola to play well considering that uva is just too DAMN good

I'm not to sure that game will be played on the schedule this year...I'm hearing a rumor...FWIW

[houndace1]

The final media poll from last year,

Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Virginia (14 - 4) 320 (16) 5
2 Maryland (15 - 1) 304 2
3 North Carolina (13 - 3) 288 1
4 Notre Dame (8 - 4) 264 4
5 Duke (14 - 3) 258 3
6 Rutgers (9 - 4) 239 9
7 Georgetown (13 - 3) 222 6
8 Loyola (10 - 6) 216 12
9 Denver (12 - 5) 172 7
10 Lehigh (10 - 2) 157 8
11 Syracuse (7 - 6) 154 10
12 Drexel (10 - 3) 153 11
13 Army (7 - 4) 110 13
14 Bryant (9 - 4) 99 19
15 Vermont (9 - 5) 93 15
16 High Point (8 - 6) 82 16
17 Villanova (7 - 5) 64 14
18 Navy (6 - 3) 42 17
19 Delaware (10 - 3) 28 18
20 Johns Hopkins (4 - 9) 24 20
20 Monmouth (8 - 3) 24 25

Arrow pointing up, relative to 2021
Arrow pointing down
No color = no significant change in either direction

Just one man's opinion. Not sure how many spots I'd move each team up or down, but this is about how I see last year's top 20 teams performing in 2022 relative to the final media poll of 2021. Based mostly on who each team loses/gains to graduation and transfers with a little bit of consideration toward incoming freshmen classes.

I like this way of viewing it. And agree with most of your shading - adding in MD's comment - the Hoo's should be shaded Red. But, with that said in my opinion - if you win it all, you start the next year at #1 until proven otherwise. As a fan, I prefer the underdog role, so I would rather the ranking come out with UVA at 4 or 5 rather than 1.

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don't care hoo you put anywhere else, this works out fine. given it's not likely in pre-season polls, maybe they can drop the traditional opener vs loyola and get there.

This is the first game for next year I believe for both schools, same as always. Given the track record this is more of a test for loyola to play well considering that uva is just too DAMN good

I'm not to sure that game will be played on the schedule this year...I'm hearing a rumor...FWIW

Feel free to PM about this

[AreaLax]

USA Lax. Magazine is rolling out their top #25 write ups starting this week

https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/ ... sion-i-men

21. Bryant
22 Richmond
23 Villanova
24 High Point
T25 Towson
T25 Michigan

[Farfromgeneva]

Michigan is going to be preseason moves forever regardless it seems. Realize tied for 25 isn’t anything but lots of teams have people coming back and better seasons to build off of.

I would be surprised if Bryant is as high as 11-12 by year end they don’t have a Massa or Waldt but this is the best overall team I think they’ve ever had .

[AreaLax]

USA Lax. Magazine is rolling out their top #25 write ups starting this week

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16 Drexel
17 Penn State
18 Penn
19 Ohio State
20 Cornell
21. Bryant
22 Richmond
23 Villanova
24 High Point
T25 Towson
T25 Michigan

[Farfromgeneva]

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16 Drexel
17 Penn State
18 Penn
19 Ohio State
20 Cornell
21. Bryant
22 Richmond
23 Villanova
24 High Point
T25 Towson
T25 Michigan

Thanks

Id have Bryant and OSU above 16, 17, 18 & 20 (in Bryant’s case)

[10stone5]

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16 Drexel
17 Penn State
18 Penn
19 Ohio State
20 Cornell
21. Bryant
22 Richmond
23 Villanova
24 High Point
T25 Towson
T25 Michigan

Drexel is too high, there are better CAA teams this season,
that ranking is based almost solely on their end of year stretch
this season past.
Do agree that all those Pennsylvania based schools are top
25-ish, add of course Lehigh.
Then also you have St. Joe’s as a top 30 type squad.

3 Pennsylvania schools were in the 2019 tournament,
and two got to the quarterfinals,
I don’t see anything approaching that for PA schools
this season.

[wgdsr]

USA Lax. Magazine is rolling out their top #25 write ups starting this week

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16 Drexel
17 Penn State
18 Penn
19 Ohio State
20 Cornell
21. Bryant
22 Richmond
23 Villanova
24 High Point
T25 Towson
T25 Michigan

Drexel is too high, there are better CAA teams this season,
that ranking is based almost solely on their end of year stretch
this season past.
Do agree that all those Pennsylvania based schools are top
25-ish, add of course Lehigh.
Then also you have St. Joe’s as a top 30 type squad.

3 Pennsylvania schools were in the 2019 tournament,
and two got to the quarterfinals,
I don’t see anything approaching that for PA schools
this season.

disagree on drexel. by end of year stretch, they won like 8 or 9 games in a row, after dropping 2 early. and they bring a lot back. with a good staff. understanding the caa can go any which way, they looked like a top 12-15 team to me. and one that could pull an upset. by talent, not just a tight game played.

[xxxxxxx]

The media love of the Big schools never ceases to amaze me. Penn State was 4-7 last year and got blown out by Hopkins in the conf tourney. They lose a 5 year starter in goal, the all time NCAA goal scorer, a 5 year starting face off man with 900+ career wins, and a AA pole. Tell me what makes them a top 17 team, besides their name?

Same goes for OSU, they were also 4-7 and lose a ton of veterans

If a school from a smaller conference played the exact same schedule as these two with an identical record they wouldn't be in the top 40, it's almost comical.

[HopFan16]

Drexel is fairly ranked. They ended last season #12 and return a good amount from a team that took ND to the brink in the NCAA tourney, so a slight drop to #16 makes sense to me. I think they and Delaware are neck and neck to be CAA favorites with Towson and UMass not far behind.

Won't argue that #17 is too high for Penn State but I can see them hovering around the top 20 this season so don't see it as terribly egregious either. Their ranking may be in part based on their freshman class, which is very good but it might take them a year or two to have a major impact. Kneese was not good last year so I don't see him as a huge loss. My guess is Fracyon out of Bullis starts for them right away. This ranking is certainly better than last year's when IL put them at #7 preseason despite losing Ament.

[hmmm]

The media love of the Big schools never ceases to amaze me. Penn State was 4-7 last year and got blown out by Hopkins in the conf tourney. They lose a 5 year starter in goal, the all time NCAA goal scorer, a 5 year starting face off man with 900+ career wins, and a AA pole. Tell me what makes them a top 17 team, besides their name?

Same goes for OSU, they were also 4-7 and lose a ton of veterans

If a school from a smaller conference played the exact same schedule as these two with an identical record they wouldn't be in the top 40, it's almost comical.

Yeah if a school from a smaller conference had to play a schedule of only Big Ten teams they wouldn't have an identical record of 4-7 so your post is comical. PSU's 7 losses were twice to MD, twice to Rutgers, twice to Hopkins who they also beat once and once to Michigan who they split with. They also beat OSU twice.

OSU also lost twice to MD and Rutgers and PSU. 2-0 against Hopkins. 2-1 against Michigan.

Tell me what smaller conference school would go 4-7 in the Big Ten. If anything the Big Ten teams were underrated last year due to their losing records. If they were able to play the same OOC schedule as the ACC teams and stack up wins against the SOCON and other smaller conference schools they probably have a chance to make the NCAA tournament.

[InsiderRoll]

The media love of the Big schools never ceases to amaze me. Penn State was 4-7 last year and got blown out by Hopkins in the conf tourney. They lose a 5 year starter in goal, the all time NCAA goal scorer, a 5 year starting face off man with 900+ career wins, and a AA pole. Tell me what makes them a top 17 team, besides their name?

Same goes for OSU, they were also 4-7 and lose a ton of veterans

If a school from a smaller conference played the exact same schedule as these two with an identical record they wouldn't be in the top 40, it's almost comical.

Well they play an hard schedule. But most of their bench players would start at most mid majors. They lose a 5-year starter in goal, well Aleric Fyock and Jack Fracyon were UA Senior AAs. They lose Arceri - Glatz is a proven 55% guy in the B1G as a 5th year. They lose Cardile, they bring in 2 UA AAs and their roster is literally filled to brim with guys that schools like Delaware and Lehigh would’ve loved coming out of high school. The same way UVAs is filled with guys PSU would’ve wanted.

They didn’t play a single game in 2021 with a full lineup. They return 2/3 of their attack. 2/3 of their midfield. They could have the deepest SSDM group along with Rutgers. They return 3/4 starting poles, and the guy who ended the year as the starter in goal. They have lots of work to do, but 15-20 starting range makes a lot of sense.

[Farfromgeneva]

USA Lax. Magazine is rolling out their top #25 write ups starting this week

https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/ ... sion-i-men
https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/ ... sion-i-men

16 Drexel
17 Penn State
18 Penn
19 Ohio State
20 Cornell
21. Bryant
22 Richmond
23 Villanova
24 High Point
T25 Towson
T25 Michigan

Drexel is too high, there are better CAA teams this season,
that ranking is based almost solely on their end of year stretch
this season past.
Do agree that all those Pennsylvania based schools are top
25-ish, add of course Lehigh.
Then also you have St. Joe’s as a top 30 type squad.

3 Pennsylvania schools were in the 2019 tournament,
and two got to the quarterfinals,
I don’t see anything approaching that for PA schools
this season.

You’ve been hanging out with Lou Holtz and Nick Saban haven’t you?

[Farfromgeneva]

The media love of the Big schools never ceases to amaze me. Penn State was 4-7 last year and got blown out by Hopkins in the conf tourney. They lose a 5 year starter in goal, the all time NCAA goal scorer, a 5 year starting face off man with 900+ career wins, and a AA pole. Tell me what makes them a top 17 team, besides their name?

Same goes for OSU, they were also 4-7 and lose a ton of veterans

If a school from a smaller conference played the exact same schedule as these two with an identical record they wouldn't be in the top 40, it's almost comical.

Actually OSU returns 4/6 scorers (LeClaire and Mitchell) have a strong Attck Canadian, really beefed up FOGO w Blanchard working w Ignacio and brought in Caton johnson at goalie effectively filling the holes and making FOGO stronger. How do you figure OSU is same as PSU (and I love me some Tambroni think he’s 10x the coach Myers is)?

[Farfromgeneva]

The media love of the Big schools never ceases to amaze me. Penn State was 4-7 last year and got blown out by Hopkins in the conf tourney. They lose a 5 year starter in goal, the all time NCAA goal scorer, a 5 year starting face off man with 900+ career wins, and a AA pole. Tell me what makes them a top 17 team, besides their name?

Same goes for OSU, they were also 4-7 and lose a ton of veterans

If a school from a smaller conference played the exact same schedule as these two with an identical record they wouldn't be in the top 40, it's almost comical.

Yeah if a school from a smaller conference had to play a schedule of only Big Ten teams they wouldn't have an identical record of 4-7 so your post is comical. PSU's 7 losses were twice to MD, twice to Rutgers, twice to Hopkins who they also beat once and once to Michigan who they split with. They also beat OSU twice.

OSU also lost twice to MD and Rutgers and PSU. 2-0 against Hopkins. 2-1 against Michigan.

Tell me what smaller conference school would go 4-7 in the Big Ten. If anything the Big Ten teams were underrated last year due to their losing records. If they were able to play the same OOC schedule as the ACC teams and stack up wins against the SOCON and other smaller conference schools they probably have a chance to make the NCAA tournament.

There’s a number that could’ve put up 4 wins against the Big Ten last year that’s silly.

[xxxxxxx]

The media love of the Big schools never ceases to amaze me. Penn State was 4-7 last year and got blown out by Hopkins in the conf tourney. They lose a 5 year starter in goal, the all time NCAA goal scorer, a 5 year starting face off man with 900+ career wins, and a AA pole. Tell me what makes them a top 17 team, besides their name?

Same goes for OSU, they were also 4-7 and lose a ton of veterans

If a school from a smaller conference played the exact same schedule as these two with an identical record they wouldn't be in the top 40, it's almost comical.

Yeah if a school from a smaller conference had to play a schedule of only Big Ten teams they wouldn't have an identical record of 4-7 so your post is comical. PSU's 7 losses were twice to MD, twice to Rutgers, twice to Hopkins who they also beat once and once to Michigan who they split with. They also beat OSU twice.

OSU also lost twice to MD and Rutgers and PSU. 2-0 against Hopkins. 2-1 against Michigan.

Tell me what smaller conference school would go 4-7 in the Big Ten. If anything the Big Ten teams were underrated last year due to their losing records. If they were able to play the same OOC schedule as the ACC teams and stack up wins against the SOCON and other smaller conference schools they probably have a chance to make the NCAA tournament.

Any number of schools from the Ivy, Big East, Patriot, or CAA could have gone 4-7 in the Big 10 last year and my point is if they did and lost several major impact guys they wouldn’t be ranked 17th or 19th in the pre season. PSU and OSU get the benefit of a big name and it's undeniable. I have said this before, last year PSU was 2-4 snd ranked in the top 20 before mercifully falling out. There probably isn't a team in the history of lacrosse that was 2-4 and ranked in the top 20, regardless of who they played.

[Farfromgeneva]

The media love of the Big schools never ceases to amaze me. Penn State was 4-7 last year and got blown out by Hopkins in the conf tourney. They lose a 5 year starter in goal, the all time NCAA goal scorer, a 5 year starting face off man with 900+ career wins, and a AA pole. Tell me what makes them a top 17 team, besides their name?

Same goes for OSU, they were also 4-7 and lose a ton of veterans

If a school from a smaller conference played the exact same schedule as these two with an identical record they wouldn't be in the top 40, it's almost comical.

Yeah if a school from a smaller conference had to play a schedule of only Big Ten teams they wouldn't have an identical record of 4-7 so your post is comical. PSU's 7 losses were twice to MD, twice to Rutgers, twice to Hopkins who they also beat once and once to Michigan who they split with. They also beat OSU twice.

OSU also lost twice to MD and Rutgers and PSU. 2-0 against Hopkins. 2-1 against Michigan.

Tell me what smaller conference school would go 4-7 in the Big Ten. If anything the Big Ten teams were underrated last year due to their losing records. If they were able to play the same OOC schedule as the ACC teams and stack up wins against the SOCON and other smaller conference schools they probably have a chance to make the NCAA tournament.

Any number of schools from the Ivy, Big East, Patriot, or CAA could have gone 4-7 in the Big 10 last year and my point is if they did and lost several major impact guys they wouldn’t be ranked 17th or 19th in the pre season. PSU and OSU get the benefit of a big name and it's undeniable. I have said this before, last year PSU was 2-4 snd ranked in the top 20 before mercifully falling out. There probably isn't a team in the history of lacrosse that was 2-4 and ranked in the top 20, regardless of who they played.

Again I don’t think you’ve critically looked at what OSU lost and who is coming back/in. They’re got 4/6 scorers returning and back filled both attck and goalie while strengthening FOGO. You can’t stick up for smaller conferences and dismiss their two Hobart transfers plus Johnson without being wildly inconsistent. Not the same as PSU whom you are lumping together without even addressing facts.

[blue angels]

The media love of the Big schools never ceases to amaze me. Penn State was 4-7 last year and got blown out by Hopkins in the conf tourney. They lose a 5 year starter in goal, the all time NCAA goal scorer, a 5 year starting face off man with 900+ career wins, and a AA pole. Tell me what makes them a top 17 team, besides their name?

Same goes for OSU, they were also 4-7 and lose a ton of veterans

If a school from a smaller conference played the exact same schedule as these two with an identical record they wouldn't be in the top 40, it's almost comical.

There was only 1 premier team in the Big 10 last year in Maryland. Rutgers had a nice team but never made it out of the Quarters. The rest were either bad or mediocre.

[HopFan16]

OSU is a different team without Terefenko and LeClaire. No replacing those two, especially the former. Rumors of some internal strife there as well perhaps evidenced by lots of underclassmen hitting the portal. Myers is off to a good recruiting start to the '23 class, however, which has somewhat surprised me. Maybe such rumors are overblown.

In any case, I lean toward preferring PSU in 2021, but it's close. I like to think Hopkins showed something at the end of last season to give them up a leg up on the non-Maryland B1G teams but the truth is behind the Terps it's something of a jumble.