Trumpista fascists on the march

[Farfromgeneva]

I was reponding to the proportion of TX which was more or less immediately above my response. Regardless of gaming the districts it should still be a lot closer to 50/50 in TX than 2/8 based on the national eleciton results in that state (or really any, none should be better than 40/60 either way by much)

Trump lost all three houses - he's a complete loser who lost all power ultimately for the Republicans. Loeffler spent a ton of dough supporting politicians throughout the state for a decade, handed a seat and lost it. Old money Perdue lost it.

You can claim this is so much larger than Trump and he's just a symbol but reality is he played it the way these wingnuts wanted him to. Catered directly and almsot exclusively to this cohort (after himself and his family of course) and lost everything. This group, that's not 74mm by any means, does not represent the future of this country, it represents if anything it's darkest past.

And I was on the Abrams is overrated topic for a year on wax here. She's great but Georgia and NC going Blue has more to do with centrist republicans and dems migrating from other places. There not coming for the politics and those people had far more impact than Abrams ultimately. If there was less moderate migration over the past 10-20yrs her efforts would've been tantamount to spitting in the wind. She's a nice lady and doing one good thing but not the reason for this. Would be like someone in TX working on voters rights for a few years and then getting all the credit when it flips which would be sily given we all see it coming now as a matter of when, not if.

[3rdPersonPlural]

That's part of why so many (R)'s, including me, are happy to throw Trump over the side.

There may be a way.......

The main ambition as I see it is to get Trump out of Republican politics in General and out of the presidential primaries in 2023 in particular.

An impeachment throws him off the presidential circuit, which makes Cruz and Hawley etc, happy.

But can the impeachment work this time?

I bet that 17 republicans will sign on to this (20 minutes but entertaining and some lawyers on this page have lauded this guys analysis):

[Farfromgeneva]

I mainly want impeachment first to strip his lifetime SS protection. He's treated those folks like such trash here he lost the right to their service a while ago IMO.

[3rdPersonPlural]

I mainly want impeachment first to strip his lifetime SS protection. He's treated those folks like such trash here he lost the right to their service a while ago IMO.

I've heard that as well. The guy is a little beotch to his security people, according to the scuttlebutt I've heasrd.

[Farfromgeneva]

I mean honestly I don’t buy that it will carry a ton of signaling value to the future. Disgraced and losing “friends” and allies he cares about (affluent and powerful, not the folks supporting him of course) will be painful for him (and his family) but absent spending time incarcerated I just think cynically that a future perpetrator of such vile acts on our country are likely to say “I shouldn’t go down this path, remember what happened to Trump! My man got ceremonially impeached as he was leaving the building in shame!” But the tangible things that can be stripped from him should. Pension, other bennies and especially the secret service. No way should taxpayers fund his personal escorts first of all and secondly he hasn’t demonstrated any respect or appreciation for the lives of these people and shouldn’t be allowed to ever risk them again. These are people happy to eat a bullet for a president, no different than front line service members in active war zones (president or former President is a daily target in theory which is why they get the lifetime protection akin to being at risk in a war zone even in this country)

[old salt]

That's part of why so many (R)'s, including me, are happy to throw Trump over the side.

There may be a way.......

The main ambition as I see it is to get Trump out of Republican politics in General and out of the presidential primaries in 2023 in particular.

An impeachment throws him off the presidential circuit, which makes Cruz and Hawley etc, happy.

But can the impeachment work this time?

I bet that 17 republicans will sign on to this (20 minutes but entertaining and some lawyers on this page have lauded this guys analysis):

They'probably have polling on what % of Trump's 74 million voters are hard core & would follow him out of the GOP.

[MDlaxfan76]

Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) who has only been in Congress for less than a week was live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi’s location to terrorists as they stormed the U.S. Capitol earlier this week. Frankly, she should be arrested or, at least, expelled. See the 14th Amendment:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 85663.html
Ms Boebert ...tweeted details of the lockdown on the day of the insurrection at the US Capitol carried out by supporters of Donald Trump.

She first shared that the lawmakers had been moved to the House chambers. Then, she tweeted out the "Speaker has been removed from the chambers."

While Ms Boebert did not provide specific details on Ms Pelosi's location, critics allege she was attempting to aid the rioters who were searching for her.

Haven't seen the exact tweets, but according to this she said they'd been moved the House chambers and then was specific about the Speaker no longer being in the House chambers. Don't need to look for Pelosi here.

She should be done.

If she was sending a DM to members in the mob. Otherwise, she can just say she was telling the Twitterverse what was going on, & letting the public know the Reps we still ok & the Speaker had been evacuated. It's a stretch to claim she was providing tactical intel to the mob.

She can say all she wants, she should be done.
Way, way too much other evidence that she's a flaming nutcase.
This is entirely on brand, in character.

Congress, including the GOP, needs to clean house.
It's not as if there aren't people ready to step up and do a good job in helping govern the country for the GOP.

That's not your call. Tell it to the people who voted for her & sent her to DC on their behalf. Each of them has as much say as you do.

So you agree that Hawley and Cruz don't get to make the call they made...based on your logic above.

That’s different....

Just the opposite. Hawley & Cruz represent what their constituents think or they wouldn't take the risk of objecting. They represent the people in their home states, not bi-coastal elites like you. I haven't done the math for TX, but all but 2 of 8 (R) members of Congress (both houses) from MO objected.

Seeing how the state was nearly 50/50 shouldn't it be more like 4/8???

Gerrymandering

I know but I'm trying to get at whether he thinks that elected politicians are representatives of all their constituents or merely the ones who vote for him. If it's all citizens of the district then at a min it should be 3/8 and really half.

House members only represent the citizens in their districts, not the entire state.

All?
or just those who vote for them?

and yeah, they've gerrymandered their district.

[MDlaxfan76]

I also think it's possible that she should be prosecuted as part of inciting this insurrection, sedition. Depends on all of her tweets and speeches down the stretch, but these (if I understand correctly) could well be the last straw.

...you're having a wet dream. This is the USA, not E Germany.

nice phrase, Salty, leave it to you to double down.

Yup, this is the USA, not E Germany, not Nazi Gernamy, not a lot of places and times, thank god. Let's keep it that way, huh?

We have a Constitutional process for removal when a member of Congress breaches ethical conduct beyond all bounds. And we then get to elect a replacement.

Prosecution for insurrection and sedition is another matter, with a 20 year sentence, I'd need to see all of her tweets and speeches before recommending that for sure. But I wouldn't doubt that she faces that potential.

Start expelling members of Congress for exercising their Constitutional right of speech & debate & see where that leads.

For that, sure, but what she has done?
Totally another matter.
And you know it, which is what makes your arguing this worse.

Anyone looked at Cruz and Hawley's communications during the insurrection? I suspect they were smart enough not to do something trackable like she did, but Jim Jordan might be fertile territory...

ok, so another tweet that day, right before the insurrection was:

This is 1776.

[3rdPersonPlural]

They probably have polling on what % of Trump's 74 million voters are hard core & would follow him out of the GOP.
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I wonder how much of the republican party would follow Trump off to an independent run for President?

73% is my guess, but not a vote beyond that.Too kooky. But that base.... Or should I say dat base!

Votes matter in elections, not funding or platform issues that haven't been voted on since the last century. The Republican party would be cratered but would still be generously funded. They would have to swerve populist and mean it to survive.

Democrats have already signaled that they are the party of the old monied republicans and the suburban SUVs and the culturally sensitive.

Do you think that the Dems go to the space that the Repubs had 2 decades ago and the Trump party grabs all of the malcontents that are also white and the republican party is out-performed by the green party?

[Farfromgeneva]

That's part of why so many (R)'s, including me, are happy to throw Trump over the side.

There may be a way.......

The main ambition as I see it is to get Trump out of Republican politics in General and out of the presidential primaries in 2023 in particular.

An impeachment throws him off the presidential circuit, which makes Cruz and Hawley etc, happy.

But can the impeachment work this time?

I bet that 17 republicans will sign on to this (20 minutes but entertaining and some lawyers on this page have lauded this guys analysis):

They'probably have polling on what % of Trump's 74 million voters are hard core & would follow him out of the GOP.

Who’s polls? Thought polls were not trustworthy

[MDlaxfan76]

They probably have polling on what % of Trump's 74 million voters are hard core & would follow him out of the GOP.

I wonder how much of the republican party would follow Trump off to an independent run for President?

73% is my guess, but not a vote beyond that.Too kooky. But that base.... Or should I say dat base!

Votes matter in elections, not funding or platform issues that haven't been voted on since the last century. The Republican party would be cratered but would still be generously funded. They would have to swerve populist and mean it to survive.

Democrats have already signaled that they are the party of the old monied republicans and the suburban SUVs and the culturally sensitive.

Do you think that the Dems go to the space that the Repubs had 2 decades ago and the Trump party grabs all of the malcontents that are also white and the republican party is out-performed by the green party?
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Dunno, I'm seeing a whole bunch of folks who voted for Trump last November who think he's lost his mind now...

[old salt]

They probably have polling on what % of Trump's 74 million voters are hard core & would follow him out of the GOP.

I wonder how much of the republican party would follow Trump off to an independent run for President?

73% is my guess, but not a vote beyond that.Too kooky. But that base.... Or should I say dat base!

Votes matter in elections, not funding or platform issues that haven't been voted on since the last century. The Republican party would be cratered but would still be generously funded. They would have to swerve populist and mean it to survive.

Democrats have already signaled that they are the party of the old monied republicans and the suburban SUVs and the culturally sensitive.

Do you think that the Dems go to the space that the Repubs had 2 decades ago and the Trump party grabs all of the malcontents that are also white and the republican party is out-performed by the green party?

I wish I knew, but I fear the GOP is finished if we lose all the former Dems & the new voters Trump brought out, even the lunatic fringe (although I do not think they should be placated, or the Q or white supremacy garbage tolerated).

[old salt]

That's part of why so many (R)'s, including me, are happy to throw Trump over the side.

There may be a way.......

The main ambition as I see it is to get Trump out of Republican politics in General and out of the presidential primaries in 2023 in particular.

An impeachment throws him off the presidential circuit, which makes Cruz and Hawley etc, happy.

But can the impeachment work this time?

I bet that 17 republicans will sign on to this (20 minutes but entertaining and some lawyers on this page have lauded this guys analysis):

They'probably have polling on what % of Trump's 74 million voters are hard core & would follow him out of the GOP.

Who’s polls? Thought polls were not trustworthy

The parties do their own focused internal polls.

[MDlaxfan76]

They probably have polling on what % of Trump's 74 million voters are hard core & would follow him out of the GOP.

I wonder how much of the republican party would follow Trump off to an independent run for President?

73% is my guess, but not a vote beyond that.Too kooky. But that base.... Or should I say dat base!

Votes matter in elections, not funding or platform issues that haven't been voted on since the last century. The Republican party would be cratered but would still be generously funded. They would have to swerve populist and mean it to survive.

Democrats have already signaled that they are the party of the old monied republicans and the suburban SUVs and the culturally sensitive.

Do you think that the Dems go to the space that the Repubs had 2 decades ago and the Trump party grabs all of the malcontents that are also white and the republican party is out-performed by the green party?

I wish I knew, but I fear the GOP is finished if we lose all the former Dems & the new voters Trump brought out, even the lunatic fringe (although I do not think they should be placated, or the Q or white supremacy garbage tolerated).

Sheesh, the party would actually have to compete for the rational younger voters with a fiscally conservative message?

Oh my, the horror! How could the GOP possibly win?

I was at dinner tonight, properly distanced outside, with a couple in their 80's, Trump voters (she thinks he's lost his mind in the past month) and the fellow said that the mistake the Republicans made was allowing "early voting"...he meant voting in-person...early. Yikes, these are smart people...

[Farfromgeneva]

That's part of why so many (R)'s, including me, are happy to throw Trump over the side.

There may be a way.......

The main ambition as I see it is to get Trump out of Republican politics in General and out of the presidential primaries in 2023 in particular.

An impeachment throws him off the presidential circuit, which makes Cruz and Hawley etc, happy.

But can the impeachment work this time?

I bet that 17 republicans will sign on to this (20 minutes but entertaining and some lawyers on this page have lauded this guys analysis):

They'probably have polling on what % of Trump's 74 million voters are hard core & would follow him out of the GOP.

Who’s polls? Thought polls were not trustworthy

The parties do their own focused internal polls.

The ones Trump kept insisting said he was going to crush it?

[old salt]

That's part of why so many (R)'s, including me, are happy to throw Trump over the side.

There may be a way.......

The main ambition as I see it is to get Trump out of Republican politics in General and out of the presidential primaries in 2023 in particular.

An impeachment throws him off the presidential circuit, which makes Cruz and Hawley etc, happy.

But can the impeachment work this time?

I bet that 17 republicans will sign on to this (20 minutes but entertaining and some lawyers on this page have lauded this guys analysis):

They'probably have polling on what % of Trump's 74 million voters are hard core & would follow him out of the GOP.

Who’s polls? Thought polls were not trustworthy

The parties do their own focused internal polls.

The ones Trump kept insisting said he was going to crush it?

Trafalgar nailed the general election & the GA runoff.

[old salt]

They probably have polling on what % of Trump's 74 million voters are hard core & would follow him out of the GOP.

I wonder how much of the republican party would follow Trump off to an independent run for President?

73% is my guess, but not a vote beyond that.Too kooky. But that base.... Or should I say dat base!

Votes matter in elections, not funding or platform issues that haven't been voted on since the last century. The Republican party would be cratered but would still be generously funded. They would have to swerve populist and mean it to survive.

Democrats have already signaled that they are the party of the old monied republicans and the suburban SUVs and the culturally sensitive.

Do you think that the Dems go to the space that the Repubs had 2 decades ago and the Trump party grabs all of the malcontents that are also white and the republican party is out-performed by the green party?

I wish I knew, but I fear the GOP is finished if we lose all the former Dems & the new voters Trump brought out, even the lunatic fringe (although I do not think they should be placated, or the Q or white supremacy garbage tolerated).

Sheesh, the party would actually have to compete for the rational younger voters with a fiscally conservative message?

Oh my, the horror! How could the GOP possibly win?

I was at dinner tonight, properly distanced outside, with a couple in their 80's, Trump voters (she thinks he's lost his mind in the past month) and the fellow said that the mistake the Republicans made was allowing "early voting"...he meant voting in-person...early. Yikes, these are smart people...

The GOP can't compete in the race to give away free stuff, like student loan forgiveness, Medicare for all & reparations.

You can give them a stern scolding. That will help.

[ggait]

Third parties don't work. They only strengthen the party (i.e. Dems) that is not splitting up.

So the smart play at this point is to shoot Trump between the eyes. Ends his leverage and rids you of his spawn.

It might cost the GOP some mouth breathers initially. But by '22 or '24, Trump will be Sarah Palin 2.0.

And the GOP will be in much better shape than if you let the cancer stay in the locker room.

[Farfromgeneva]

That's part of why so many (R)'s, including me, are happy to throw Trump over the side.

There may be a way.......

The main ambition as I see it is to get Trump out of Republican politics in General and out of the presidential primaries in 2023 in particular.

An impeachment throws him off the presidential circuit, which makes Cruz and Hawley etc, happy.

But can the impeachment work this time?

I bet that 17 republicans will sign on to this (20 minutes but entertaining and some lawyers on this page have lauded this guys analysis):

They'probably have polling on what % of Trump's 74 million voters are hard core & would follow him out of the GOP.

Who’s polls? Thought polls were not trustworthy

The parties do their own focused internal polls.

The ones Trump kept insisting said he was going to crush it?

Trafalgar nailed the general election & the GA runoff.

I never committed to it here but low confidence thought it was going to be a spilt on the runoff w Perdue and Warnock winning. I was directionally right in that Warnock has a cleaner defeat of Loeffler than Ossof did w Perdue. Thought there’d be enough support for Perdue amongst the not insignificant old families (w or w/o money today, name alone) plus his Cousin is popular statewide and I believe Ossof was a weaker candidate than Warnock also. At least by margin of victory I was directionally correct. But I put little stock in any trump affect either way at that point. Perhaps that call w Raffensbrger flipped it or not. But I would’ve ranked that third of the three possible outcomes a few weeks ago (dem sweep vs split vs Rep sweep)

[seacoaster]

That's part of why so many (R)'s, including me, are happy to throw Trump over the side.

There may be a way.......

The main ambition as I see it is to get Trump out of Republican politics in General and out of the presidential primaries in 2023 in particular.

An impeachment throws him off the presidential circuit, which makes Cruz and Hawley etc, happy.

But can the impeachment work this time?

I bet that 17 republicans will sign on to this (20 minutes but entertaining and some lawyers on this page have lauded this guys analysis):

Nicely done video. Thanks for posting.