MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:01 am
I also think it's possible that she should be prosecuted as part of inciting this insurrection, sedition. Depends on all of her tweets and speeches down the stretch, but these (if I understand correctly) could well be the last straw.
...you're having a wet dream. This is the USA, not E Germany.
nice phrase, Salty, leave it to you to double down.
Yup, this is the USA, not E Germany, not Nazi Gernamy, not a lot of places and times, thank god. Let's keep it that way, huh?
We have a Constitutional process for removal when a member of Congress breaches ethical conduct beyond all bounds. And we then get to elect a replacement.
Prosecution for insurrection and sedition is another matter, with a 20 year sentence, I'd need to see all of her tweets and speeches before recommending that for sure. But I wouldn't doubt that she faces that potential.
Start expelling members of Congress for exercising their Constitutional right of speech & debate & see where that leads.
For that, sure, but what she has done?
Totally another matter.
And you know it, which is what makes your arguing this worse.
Anyone looked at Cruz and Hawley's communications during the insurrection? I suspect they were smart enough not to do something trackable like she did, but Jim Jordan might be fertile territory...
Just the opposite. Hawley & Cruz represent what their constituents think or they wouldn't take the risk of objecting. They represent the people in their home states
... that is rationalization. Neither of these guys had that in mind. They were running for 2024. Totally self serving motivation.
...& 17 of 23 (R) members of the TX Congressional delegation objected.
And let's hope that they lose their corporate and big donor funding and need to turn to MyPillow.
Just the opposite. Hawley & Cruz represent what their constituents think or they wouldn't take the risk of objecting. They represent the people in their home states
... that is rationalization. Neither of these guys had that in mind. They were running for 2024. Totally self serving motivation.
...& 17 of 23 (R) members of the TX Congressional delegation objected.
And let's hope that they lose their corporate and big donor funding and need to turn to MyPillow.
Hawley and Cruz and others are plainly enabling a loose band of brownshirts. Meekly and stupidly parroting what "my constituents believe," when it is plainly false and destructive to the polity, is more than just bad governance.
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:10 pm
You & your fellow zealots are trivializing words like sedition, treason & coup. You want to know why there's millions of angry people in this country, ready to explode, examine your own language.
Says the guy who carelessly threw the word "coup" around for four straight years with your Deep State.
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:10 pm
You & your fellow zealots are trivializing words like sedition, treason & coup. You want to know why there's millions of angry people in this country, ready to explode, examine your own language.
Says the guy who carelessly threw the word "coup" around for four straight years with your Deep State.
"That's different", right?
And I already posted the link to Fiona Hill's op-ed about the fact this was a coup. And the FBI in their just concluded press briefing have stated they are looking at the possibility of seditious conspiracy cases.
This is _really_ a seditious coup attempt! To deny it is to deny what is patently obvious to all who are not suffering from cognitive dissonance...
What would have happened if that utterly brilliant police officer didn't distract the idiots----and the mob entered the Senate Chambers before all the Senators had left?
Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) who has only been in Congress for less than a week was live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi’s location to terrorists as they stormed the U.S. Capitol earlier this week. Frankly, she should be arrested or, at least, expelled. See the 14th Amendment:
She first shared that the lawmakers had been moved to the House chambers. Then, she tweeted out the "Speaker has been removed from the chambers."
While Ms Boebert did not provide specific details on Ms Pelosi's location, critics allege she was attempting to aid the rioters who were searching for her.
Haven't seen the exact tweets, but according to this she said they'd been moved the House chambers and then was specific about the Speaker no longer being in the House chambers. Don't need to look for Pelosi here.
She should be done.
If she was sending a DM to members in the mob. Otherwise, she can just say she was telling the Twitterverse what was going on, & letting the public know the Reps we still ok & the Speaker had been evacuated. It's a stretch to claim she was providing tactical intel to the mob.
Keep defending these morons and criminals. It makes you look as bad as they are. As for her constituents, there is a procedure in Congress for sanctioning garbage behavior like this - explusion. Voters in her district can then elect somebody else. Nobody is saying they go unrepresented - just not by her.
...& you keep exaggerating members of Congress following the Constitution & exercising their right to speak & debate. You & your fellow zealots are trivializing words like sedition, treason & coup. You want to know why there's millions of angry people in this country, ready to explode, examine your own language.
Yeah, it's not their fault, they have no agency in their own actions! It's the fault of all the people who aren't behaving this way! Everyone who supported or defends this group is just a victim of the words of others. Because as has been stated here words matter way more than actions!
Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) who has only been in Congress for less than a week was live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi’s location to terrorists as they stormed the U.S. Capitol earlier this week. Frankly, she should be arrested or, at least, expelled. See the 14th Amendment:
She first shared that the lawmakers had been moved to the House chambers. Then, she tweeted out the "Speaker has been removed from the chambers."
While Ms Boebert did not provide specific details on Ms Pelosi's location, critics allege she was attempting to aid the rioters who were searching for her.
Haven't seen the exact tweets, but according to this she said they'd been moved the House chambers and then was specific about the Speaker no longer being in the House chambers. Don't need to look for Pelosi here.
She should be done.
If she was sending a DM to members in the mob. Otherwise, she can just say she was telling the Twitterverse what was going on, & letting the public know the Reps we still ok & the Speaker had been evacuated. It's a stretch to claim she was providing tactical intel to the mob.
She can say all she wants, she should be done.
Way, way too much other evidence that she's a flaming nutcase.
This is entirely on brand, in character.
Congress, including the GOP, needs to clean house.
It's not as if there aren't people ready to step up and do a good job in helping govern the country for the GOP.
That's not your call. Tell it to the people who voted for her & sent her to DC on their behalf. Each of them has as much say as you do.
So you agree that Hawley and Cruz don't get to make the call they made...based on your logic above.
That’s different....
Just the opposite. Hawley & Cruz represent what their constituents think or they wouldn't take the risk of objecting. They represent the people in their home states, not bi-coastal elites like you. I haven't done the math for TX, but all but 2 of 8 (R) members of Congress (both houses) from MO objected.
Seeing how the state was nearly 50/50 shouldn't it be more like 4/8???
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:22 pm
If by "represent" you mean that their constituents (BTW, they represent ALL of the citizens of their state not just the rabid activists or the moneyed interest that funded them) WANT them to incite, aid and abet an insurrection to overturn a lawful, fully certified election won fair and square by the opposition party...well, that's not the OATH they took.
This is just gross, Salty.
Us bi-coastal elies just don't understand concepts like fair representation and oaths....
Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) who has only been in Congress for less than a week was live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi’s location to terrorists as they stormed the U.S. Capitol earlier this week. Frankly, she should be arrested or, at least, expelled. See the 14th Amendment:
She first shared that the lawmakers had been moved to the House chambers. Then, she tweeted out the "Speaker has been removed from the chambers."
While Ms Boebert did not provide specific details on Ms Pelosi's location, critics allege she was attempting to aid the rioters who were searching for her.
Haven't seen the exact tweets, but according to this she said they'd been moved the House chambers and then was specific about the Speaker no longer being in the House chambers. Don't need to look for Pelosi here.
She should be done.
If she was sending a DM to members in the mob. Otherwise, she can just say she was telling the Twitterverse what was going on, & letting the public know the Reps we still ok & the Speaker had been evacuated. It's a stretch to claim she was providing tactical intel to the mob.
She can say all she wants, she should be done.
Way, way too much other evidence that she's a flaming nutcase.
This is entirely on brand, in character.
Congress, including the GOP, needs to clean house.
It's not as if there aren't people ready to step up and do a good job in helping govern the country for the GOP.
That's not your call. Tell it to the people who voted for her & sent her to DC on their behalf. Each of them has as much say as you do.
So you agree that Hawley and Cruz don't get to make the call they made...based on your logic above.
That’s different....
Just the opposite. Hawley & Cruz represent what their constituents think or they wouldn't take the risk of objecting. They represent the people in their home states, not bi-coastal elites like you. I haven't done the math for TX, but all but 2 of 8 (R) members of Congress (both houses) from MO objected.
Seeing how the state was nearly 50/50 shouldn't it be more like 4/8???
Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) who has only been in Congress for less than a week was live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi’s location to terrorists as they stormed the U.S. Capitol earlier this week. Frankly, she should be arrested or, at least, expelled. See the 14th Amendment:
She first shared that the lawmakers had been moved to the House chambers. Then, she tweeted out the "Speaker has been removed from the chambers."
While Ms Boebert did not provide specific details on Ms Pelosi's location, critics allege she was attempting to aid the rioters who were searching for her.
Haven't seen the exact tweets, but according to this she said they'd been moved the House chambers and then was specific about the Speaker no longer being in the House chambers. Don't need to look for Pelosi here.
She should be done.
If she was sending a DM to members in the mob. Otherwise, she can just say she was telling the Twitterverse what was going on, & letting the public know the Reps we still ok & the Speaker had been evacuated. It's a stretch to claim she was providing tactical intel to the mob.
She can say all she wants, she should be done.
Way, way too much other evidence that she's a flaming nutcase.
This is entirely on brand, in character.
Congress, including the GOP, needs to clean house.
It's not as if there aren't people ready to step up and do a good job in helping govern the country for the GOP.
That's not your call. Tell it to the people who voted for her & sent her to DC on their behalf. Each of them has as much say as you do.
So you agree that Hawley and Cruz don't get to make the call they made...based on your logic above.
That’s different....
Just the opposite. Hawley & Cruz represent what their constituents think or they wouldn't take the risk of objecting. They represent the people in their home states, not bi-coastal elites like you. I haven't done the math for TX, but all but 2 of 8 (R) members of Congress (both houses) from MO objected.
Seeing how the state was nearly 50/50 shouldn't it be more like 4/8???
Gerrymandering
I know but I'm trying to get at whether he thinks that elected politicians are representatives of all their constituents or merely the ones who vote for him. If it's all citizens of the district then at a min it should be 3/8 and really half.
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:19 pm
]Just the opposite. Hawley & Cruz represent what their constituents think or they wouldn't take the risk of objecting. They represent the people in their home states, not bi-coastal elites like you. I haven't done the math for TX, but all but 2 of 8 (R) members of Congress (both houses) from MO objected.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:22 pm
If by "represent" you mean that their constituents (BTW, they represent ALL of the citizens of their state not just the rabid activists or the moneyed interest that funded them) WANT them to incite, aid and abet an insurrection to overturn a lawful, fully certified election won fair and square by the opposition party...well, that's not the OATH they took.
This is just gross, Salty.
Yes, they represent those who believe most prominent Dems are pedophiles, and/or feed off the blood of children, they represent those who believe in lizard people and other wacko conspiracy theories; moreover, who believe in all of *rump's lies. The New York Times and other "lamestream media" are all fake news, Fauci and other scientists/doctors are liars, while Bannon's website and tweets are "truth" and *rump is some sort of naked emperor they imagine draped in a czar's clothes. What is the goal of all of these bizarre conspiracy theories and lies? To serve the good of the United States of America and all of its citizens? Or to treat it all like a professional wrestling match against the "Dummycrats" in order to hold power for the sake of money and power? Time to wake up and smell the coffee, to realize that this isn't a zero-sum game, and that some people are now bringing knives and guns to the wrestling match. In 2016 the "fake news" outlets were saying that *rump might destroy the Republican Party; it certainly seems like he's tried to destroy democracy. But hey, he's on our side of this wrestling match-insurrection-march into lunacy, so it's all okay.
Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) who has only been in Congress for less than a week was live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi’s location to terrorists as they stormed the U.S. Capitol earlier this week. Frankly, she should be arrested or, at least, expelled. See the 14th Amendment:
She first shared that the lawmakers had been moved to the House chambers. Then, she tweeted out the "Speaker has been removed from the chambers."
While Ms Boebert did not provide specific details on Ms Pelosi's location, critics allege she was attempting to aid the rioters who were searching for her.
Haven't seen the exact tweets, but according to this she said they'd been moved the House chambers and then was specific about the Speaker no longer being in the House chambers. Don't need to look for Pelosi here.
She should be done.
If she was sending a DM to members in the mob. Otherwise, she can just say she was telling the Twitterverse what was going on, & letting the public know the Reps we still ok & the Speaker had been evacuated. It's a stretch to claim she was providing tactical intel to the mob.
She can say all she wants, she should be done.
Way, way too much other evidence that she's a flaming nutcase.
This is entirely on brand, in character.
Congress, including the GOP, needs to clean house.
It's not as if there aren't people ready to step up and do a good job in helping govern the country for the GOP.
That's not your call. Tell it to the people who voted for her & sent her to DC on their behalf. Each of them has as much say as you do.
So you agree that Hawley and Cruz don't get to make the call they made...based on your logic above.
That’s different....
Just the opposite. Hawley & Cruz represent what their constituents think or they wouldn't take the risk of objecting. They represent the people in their home states, not bi-coastal elites like you. I haven't done the math for TX, but all but 2 of 8 (R) members of Congress (both houses) from MO objected.
Seeing how the state was nearly 50/50 shouldn't it be more like 4/8???
Gerrymandering
I know but I'm trying to get at whether he thinks that elected politicians are representatives of all their constituents or merely the ones who vote for him. If it's all citizens of the district then at a min it should be 3/8 and really half.
House members only represent the citizens in their districts, not the entire state.
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:10 pm
You & your fellow zealots are trivializing words like sedition, treason & coup. You want to know why there's millions of angry people in this country, ready to explode, examine your own language.
Says the guy who carelessly threw the word "coup" around for four straight years with your Deep State.
"That's different", right?
And I already posted the link to Fiona Hill's op-ed about the fact this was a coup. And the FBI in their just concluded press briefing have stated they are looking at the possibility of seditious conspiracy cases.
This is _really_ a seditious coup attempt! To deny it is to deny what is patently obvious to all who are not suffering from cognitive dissonance...
Self coup ? ...did Fiona Hill get that from the Russain spy she hired to work for her & Strobe Talbot at the Heritage Foundation, when that spy (Steele's primary source) & Talbot were shopping Steele's dossier all around DC. Fiona knows all about coups from inside a govt all right.
Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) who has only been in Congress for less than a week was live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi’s location to terrorists as they stormed the U.S. Capitol earlier this week. Frankly, she should be arrested or, at least, expelled. See the 14th Amendment:
She first shared that the lawmakers had been moved to the House chambers. Then, she tweeted out the "Speaker has been removed from the chambers."
While Ms Boebert did not provide specific details on Ms Pelosi's location, critics allege she was attempting to aid the rioters who were searching for her.
Haven't seen the exact tweets, but according to this she said they'd been moved the House chambers and then was specific about the Speaker no longer being in the House chambers. Don't need to look for Pelosi here.
She should be done.
If she was sending a DM to members in the mob. Otherwise, she can just say she was telling the Twitterverse what was going on, & letting the public know the Reps we still ok & the Speaker had been evacuated. It's a stretch to claim she was providing tactical intel to the mob.
She can say all she wants, she should be done.
Way, way too much other evidence that she's a flaming nutcase.
This is entirely on brand, in character.
Congress, including the GOP, needs to clean house.
It's not as if there aren't people ready to step up and do a good job in helping govern the country for the GOP.
That's not your call. Tell it to the people who voted for her & sent her to DC on their behalf. Each of them has as much say as you do.
So you agree that Hawley and Cruz don't get to make the call they made...based on your logic above.
That’s different....
Just the opposite. Hawley & Cruz represent what their constituents think or they wouldn't take the risk of objecting. They represent the people in their home states, not bi-coastal elites like you. I haven't done the math for TX, but all but 2 of 8 (R) members of Congress (both houses) from MO objected.
Seeing how the state was nearly 50/50 shouldn't it be more like 4/8???
Gerrymandering
I know but I'm trying to get at whether he thinks that elected politicians are representatives of all their constituents or merely the ones who vote for him. If it's all citizens of the district then at a min it should be 3/8 and really half.
House members only represent the citizens in their districts, not the entire state.
No kidding but it was near 50/50 statewide so even if a rep won a district, the collective reps shouldn’t be at 25%.
Of course you either missed the point or want to avoid honestly answering whether it makes sense. Half the state voted against trump but 75% of the state is ok with their efforts to overturn the election? Say what?
Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) who has only been in Congress for less than a week was live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi’s location to terrorists as they stormed the U.S. Capitol earlier this week. Frankly, she should be arrested or, at least, expelled. See the 14th Amendment:
She first shared that the lawmakers had been moved to the House chambers. Then, she tweeted out the "Speaker has been removed from the chambers."
While Ms Boebert did not provide specific details on Ms Pelosi's location, critics allege she was attempting to aid the rioters who were searching for her.
Haven't seen the exact tweets, but according to this she said they'd been moved the House chambers and then was specific about the Speaker no longer being in the House chambers. Don't need to look for Pelosi here.
She should be done.
If she was sending a DM to members in the mob. Otherwise, she can just say she was telling the Twitterverse what was going on, & letting the public know the Reps we still ok & the Speaker had been evacuated. It's a stretch to claim she was providing tactical intel to the mob.
She can say all she wants, she should be done.
Way, way too much other evidence that she's a flaming nutcase.
This is entirely on brand, in character.
Congress, including the GOP, needs to clean house.
It's not as if there aren't people ready to step up and do a good job in helping govern the country for the GOP.
That's not your call. Tell it to the people who voted for her & sent her to DC on their behalf. Each of them has as much say as you do.
So you agree that Hawley and Cruz don't get to make the call they made...based on your logic above.
That’s different....
Just the opposite. Hawley & Cruz represent what their constituents think or they wouldn't take the risk of objecting. They represent the people in their home states, not bi-coastal elites like you. I haven't done the math for TX, but all but 2 of 8 (R) members of Congress (both houses) from MO objected.
Seeing how the state was nearly 50/50 shouldn't it be more like 4/8???
Gerrymandering
I know but I'm trying to get at whether he thinks that elected politicians are representatives of all their constituents or merely the ones who vote for him. If it's all citizens of the district then at a min it should be 3/8 and really half.
House members only represent the citizens in their districts, not the entire state.
No kidding but it was near 50/50 statewide so even if a rep won a district, the collective reps shouldn’t be at 25%.
Of course you either missed the point or want to avoid honestly answering whether it makes sense. Half the state voted against trump but 75% of the state is ok with their efforts to overturn the election? Say what?
5 or 8 House members from MO objected.
The 3 who did not object were 2 (D)'s & 1 (R).
2 from the StL metro area, 1 from the KC metro area.
MO has the typical Red/Blue, rural/urban divide.
Both (R) Senators easily won the state, as did Trump.
What's up PeterBrownRRRABVLaxwheatFatty - thanks for pointing in a direction away from what we were talking about. TX, not MO, read a quarter page up unless your specifically engaging in a very dishonest and dishonorable (bad faith) form of weak hueristics.
Think about this, as thin is Ga is both Senators were going to object. They both lost but could've easily both won without much changing in this state and 100% would've objected even though Biden won the state.
It's fine that you don't want to admit the obvious that these folks have thrown away everyone in their district who didn't or hasn't voted for them even though that's an extreme abrtogation of their jobs and the spirit of being a representative in a democracy. They are behaving undemocratically.
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:19 pm
]Just the opposite. Hawley & Cruz represent what their constituents think or they wouldn't take the risk of objecting. They represent the people in their home states, not bi-coastal elites like you. I haven't done the math for TX, but all but 2 of 8 (R) members of Congress (both houses) from MO objected.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:22 pm
If by "represent" you mean that their constituents (BTW, they represent ALL of the citizens of their state not just the rabid activists or the moneyed interest that funded them) WANT them to incite, aid and abet an insurrection to overturn a lawful, fully certified election won fair and square by the opposition party...well, that's not the OATH they took.
This is just gross, Salty.
Yes, they represent those who believe most prominent Dems are pedophiles, and/or feed off the blood of children, they represent those who believe in lizard people and other wacko conspiracy theories; moreover, who believe in all of *rump's lies. The New York Times and other "lamestream media" are all fake news, Fauci and other scientists/doctors are liars, while Bannon's website and tweets are "truth" and *rump is some sort of naked emperor they imagine draped in a czar's clothes. What is the goal of all of these bizarre conspiracy theories and lies? To serve the good of the United States of America and all of its citizens? Or to treat it all like a professional wrestling match against the "Dummycrats" in order to hold power for the sake of money and power? Time to wake up and smell the coffee, to realize that this isn't a zero-sum game, and that some people are now bringing knives and guns to the wrestling match. In 2016 the "fake news" outlets were saying that *rump might destroy the Republican Party; it ce
rtainly seems like he's tried to destroy democracy. But hey, he's on our side of this wrestling match-insurrection-march into lunacy, so it's all okay.
Take heart. Help is on the way. Big Tech is joining the main stream media in censorship & a lock down. Soon we'll be hearing from the Intel old pros that it has all the earmarks of Russian disinformation. What are you worried about ? The DC Mayor & Congressional leadership were not concerned. Mocking them or ignoring them is not going to make them go away any longer.
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“Secretary of State Mike Pompeo cancelled his Europe trip at the last minute on Tuesday after Luxembourg's foreign minister and top European Union officials declined to meet him, European diplomats and other people familiar with the matter said”
Pompeo I guess wanted to be out of town. Another POS!
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:56 pm
What's up PeterBrownRRRABVLaxwheatFatty - thanks for pointing in a direction away from what we were talking about. TX, not MO, read a quarter page up unless your specifically engaging in a very dishonest and dishonorable (bad faith) form of weak hueristics.
Think about this, as thin is Ga is both Senators were going to object. They both lost but could've easily both won without much changing in this state and 100% would've objected even though Biden won the state.
It's fine that you don't want to admit the obvious that these folks have thrown away everyone in their district who didn't or hasn't voted for them even though that's an extreme abrtogation of their jobs and the spirit of being a representative in a democracy. They are behaving undemocratically.
I posted about MO first, then TX. Hawley's from MO. I thought you were referring to MO, not TX. I did not do the same analysis of the entire TX delegation, but I suspect it is similar to MO's.
I agree with Karl Rove that Trump lost both GA Senate seats for the GOP, along with Stacy A's get out the vote campaign.
That's part of why so many (R)'s, including me, are happy to throw Trump over the side.
...you're having a wet dream. This is the USA, not E Germany.
...did Fiona Hill get that from the Russain spy she hired to work for her & Strobe Talbot at the Heritage Foundation, when that spy (Steele's primary source) & Talbot were shopping Steele's dossier all around DC. Fiona knows all about coups from inside a govt all right.