https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... llots.htmlOn Monday, by a 5–4 vote, the U.S. Supreme Court approved one of the most brazen acts of voter suppression in modern history. The court will nullify the votes of citizens who mailed in their ballots late—not because they forgot, but because they did not receive ballots until after Election Day due to the coronavirus pandemic. As Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote in dissent, the court’s order “will result in massive disenfranchisement.” The conservative majority claimed that its decision would help protect “the integrity of the election process.” In reality, it calls into question the legitimacy of the election itself.
Trumpista fascists on the march
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This is what the GOP has become. Anti-American Democracy.CU77 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:42 pmhttps://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... llots.htmlOn Monday, by a 5–4 vote, the U.S. Supreme Court approved one of the most brazen acts of voter suppression in modern history. The court will nullify the votes of citizens who mailed in their ballots late—not because they forgot, but because they did not receive ballots until after Election Day due to the coronavirus pandemic. As Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote in dissent, the court’s order “will result in massive disenfranchisement.” The conservative majority claimed that its decision would help protect “the integrity of the election process.” In reality, it calls into question the legitimacy of the election itself.
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Blah Blah Blah. How long has the wisconsin election committee known about the virus?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:18 pmThis is what the GOP has become. Anti-American Democracy.CU77 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:42 pmhttps://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... llots.htmlOn Monday, by a 5–4 vote, the U.S. Supreme Court approved one of the most brazen acts of voter suppression in modern history. The court will nullify the votes of citizens who mailed in their ballots late—not because they forgot, but because they did not receive ballots until after Election Day due to the coronavirus pandemic. As Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote in dissent, the court’s order “will result in massive disenfranchisement.” The conservative majority claimed that its decision would help protect “the integrity of the election process.” In reality, it calls into question the legitimacy of the election itself.
Under normal circumstances, Wisconsin law requires absentee ballots to be received by Election Day. Not one of the nine Justices argued for enforcing the law that was actually written by the legislature. Both the 5–4 conservative majority (in an unsigned order that was probably written by Justice Kavanaugh, who received the emergency application) and Justice Ginsburg’s dissent agreed that the Court should extend the deadline for absentee ballots beyond what the law provides, allowing more votes to be counted. With just an evening to decide the case the night before the election, no written election law to guide them, and not even the Court’s customary ability for the Justices to meet in person, it is not surprising that the resulting decision was sloppy
Justice Ginsburg was outraged that this would deprive some people of the vote, given that nobody really expected a few weeks ago that the election would go forward with nobody able to vote in person. Her complaints are entirely reasonable ones, if directed at the political officials involved, but the Court took her to task for completely ignoring the evidence and the legal posture in which the case reached the Court:
The dissent is quite wrong on several points. First, the dissent entirely disregards the critical point that the plaintiffs themselves did not ask for this additional relief in their preliminary injunction motions. Second, the dissent contends that this Court should not intervene at this late date. The Court would prefer not to do so, but when a lower court intervenes and alters the election rules so close to the election date, our precedents indicate that this Court, as appropriate, should correct that error. Third, the dissent refers to voters who have not yet received their absentee ballots. But even in an ordinary election, voters who request an absentee ballot at the deadline for requesting ballots (which was this past Friday in this case) will usually receive their ballots on the day before or day of the election, which in this case would be today or tomorrow. The plaintiffs put forward no probative evidence in the District Court that these voters here would be in a substantially different position from late-requesting voters in other Wisconsin elections with respect to the timing of their receipt of absentee ballots. In that regard, it bears mention that absentee voting has been underway for many weeks, and 1.2 million Wisconsin voters have requested and have been sent their absentee ballots, which is about five times the number of absentee ballots requested in the 2016 spring election. Fourth, the dissent’s rhetoric is entirely misplaced and completely overlooks the fact that the deadline for receiving ballots was already extended to accommodate Wisconsin voters, from April 7 to April 13. Again, that extension has the effect of extending the date for a voter to mail the ballot from, in effect, Saturday, April 4, to Tuesday, April 7.
This is a sloppy and not especially principled decision by the Court’s conservatives, but the options were awful and the dissent’s approach completely lawless. It should never have come to this.—National Review
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.htmlThis is Trump’s vilest act of retribution yet
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WHEN MICHAEL ATKINSON, the intelligence community’s inspector general, received a whistleblower’s complaint on Aug. 12 about President Trump’s attempt to extort political favors from Ukraine, he judged that it was “credible” and of “urgent concern.” As sworn congressional testimony later conclusively confirmed, he was right. Federal law required that in those circumstances, the whistleblower report be delivered to Congress; in a Aug. 26 letter to the acting director of national intelligence, Mr. Atkinson said the legal standard had been met.
For that, Mr. Atkinson, a respected, nonpartisan public servant with a 17-year record, was fired late Friday night by Mr. Trump, who used the cover of night and the novel coronavirus pandemic to extend his purge of officials who cooperated with the exposure or investigation of his wrongdoing. It was the most blatant and shameful act of retribution yet by a president who has sought to shut down all independent checks on his behavior.
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Yes, there are always crabbed little men who scurry about, weaving tortured legalistic rationales for the power grabs of the fascists. Whether they are fascists themselves, or merely fools, scarcely matters in the end.
This happened in Germany in the 1930s, in Russia in the 90s and 00s, and is happening now in Poland and Hungary.
And in the United States of America.
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/6/21211378/s ... se-rnc-dnc
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weaving tortured legalistic rationales-It was legal decision from the SCOTUS!CU77 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:56 amYes, there are always crabbed little men who scurry about, weaving tortured legalistic rationales for the power grabs of the fascists. Whether they are fascists themselves, or merely fools, scarcely matters in the end.
This happened in Germany in the 1930s, in Russia in the 90s and 00s, and is happening now in Poland and Hungary.
And in the United States of America.
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/6/21211378/s ... se-rnc-dnc
It added 6 days to the election process and the state already sent out 5X the number of absentee/mail-in ballots.
You got all the votes counted in IOWA yet? Don't worry some democrat will find a box of "UNCOUNTED" ballots in the trunk of her car.
Nazis. Fascist. You people are hysterical.
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+1. The old we are heading to become Nazi fascists is the most worn out play in the FLP playbook. Why do they keep trying to run it?6ftstick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:01 amweaving tortured legalistic rationales-It was legal decision from the SCOTUS!CU77 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:56 amYes, there are always crabbed little men who scurry about, weaving tortured legalistic rationales for the power grabs of the fascists. Whether they are fascists themselves, or merely fools, scarcely matters in the end.
This happened in Germany in the 1930s, in Russia in the 90s and 00s, and is happening now in Poland and Hungary.
And in the United States of America.
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/6/21211378/s ... se-rnc-dnc
It added 6 days to the election process and the state already sent out 5X the number of absentee/mail-in ballots.
You got all the votes counted in IOWA yet? Don't worry some democrat will find a box of "UNCOUNTED" ballots in the trunk of her car.
Nazis. Fascist. You people are hysterical.
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These are total fascists! They are demanding we vote! On time no less!! We are Nazi Germany! (Howard Dean scream now, yeeeeeeeeeeeee-aaaaaaahhh).
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You guys are part of the issue, unwittingly or not.
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So we are nazis now? My issue is escalating this court decision a ignorant analogy that we are marching towards becoming nazi fascists. Is was a SCOTUS decision nothing more and nothing less. The leadership in the state of Wisconsin should figure it out.
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nazi is very specific. So it's not the term I'd use.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:04 amSo we are nazis now? My issue is escalating this court decision a ignorant analogy that we are marching towards becoming nazi fascists. Is was a SCOTUS decision nothing more and nothing less. The leadership in the state of Wisconsin should figure it out.
I would say that you guys are part of the enabling, the complicit, in an authoritarian squeeze on democracy.
Yes, "fascist" would be one such authoritarian though not exclusively, another example was the soviets or Russians post collapse or what is happening in Hungary today. Or Venezuela. or...
If you insist on the "Nazi" form, this is akin to the "good Germans" who looked the other way as the Nazis rose to power, pre the burning of the Reichstag in '33, much less Kristallnacht in '38.
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Biden leads Wisconsin by 30 points.
The Bernie Bros will be the ones disenfranchised. The fix is in against him, again.
The Bernie Bros will be the ones disenfranchised. The fix is in against him, again.
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The issue that has folks upset about not delaying this election a bit longer is not the Dem primary.
That's been a foregone conclusion.
It was explained earlier in the thread. Judges.
Power play.
That's been a foregone conclusion.
It was explained earlier in the thread. Judges.
Power play.
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They extended the vote 6 DAYS. How many days do democrats need to drag the bushes shake the trees and harness all their votes.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:14 amnazi is very specific. So it's not the term I'd use.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:04 amSo we are nazis now? My issue is escalating this court decision a ignorant analogy that we are marching towards becoming nazi fascists. Is was a SCOTUS decision nothing more and nothing less. The leadership in the state of Wisconsin should figure it out.
I would say that you guys are part of the enabling, the complicit, in an authoritarian squeeze on democracy.
Yes, "fascist" would be one such authoritarian though not exclusively, another example was the soviets or what is happening in Hungary today. Or Venezuela. or...
If you insist on the "Nazi" form, this is akin to the "good Germans" who looked the other way as the Nazis rose to power, pre the burning of the Reichstag in '33, much less Kristallnacht in '38.
You got all the votes in IOWA counted yet?
Shove the fascist remarks. It doesn't work anymore.
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Unfortunately it does apply, yet again, though I'd call it "authoritarian" rather than "fascist" much less "nazi" as that's too specific.6ftstick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:24 amThey extended the vote 6 DAYS. How many days do democrats need to drag the bushes shake the trees and harness all their votes.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:14 amnazi is very specific. So it's not the term I'd use.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:04 amSo we are nazis now? My issue is escalating this court decision a ignorant analogy that we are marching towards becoming nazi fascists. Is was a SCOTUS decision nothing more and nothing less. The leadership in the state of Wisconsin should figure it out.
I would say that you guys are part of the enabling, the complicit, in an authoritarian squeeze on democracy.
Yes, "fascist" would be one such authoritarian though not exclusively, another example was the soviets or what is happening in Hungary today. Or Venezuela. or...
If you insist on the "Nazi" form, this is akin to the "good Germans" who looked the other way as the Nazis rose to power, pre the burning of the Reichstag in '33, much less Kristallnacht in '38.
You got all the votes in IOWA counted yet?
Shove the fascist remarks. It doesn't work anymore.
I'm definitely for maintaining election cycles, but democracy works best when the maximum # of people actually vote, believing their vote will actually matter.
We have an extremely unusual event, with clearly insufficient time to plan to execute an election with remotely close to normal participation...at least not without violating public health commands.
There's no cost to a delay with this election in specific. No constitutional crisis.
Different from next November which would indeed cause a Constitutional crisis if delayed substantially, for ANY reason.
As we know that's the case many months away, we have time to prepare for the possibility that we are facing a second wave of shutdown at precisely the wrong time. The "unthinkable" as become quite "thinkable", indeed an actual possibility.
Focus your attention on ensuring that election needn't be delayed, 6ft. There's no cost to delaying this one...unless one thinks that lower turnout benefits one's particular partisan interest?
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Not that I need to point out the obvious, but not one person here who is in favor of delaying the vote even knows the name of that 'Nazi' judge they hate so much, let alone his unique family situation, let alone his character, let alone how he would decide on any issue. This is all performative art for the masses, a dumb mob of outrage.
Dems will forget this issue if Kelly loses faster than their last fa#t. It's all so dumb and too predictable.
Dems will forget this issue if Kelly loses faster than their last fa#t. It's all so dumb and too predictable.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:18 pm
This is what the GOP has become. Anti-American Democracy.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
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You have entered whack job territory with this postMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:14 amnazi is very specific. So it's not the term I'd use.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:04 amSo we are nazis now? My issue is escalating this court decision a ignorant analogy that we are marching towards becoming nazi fascists. Is was a SCOTUS decision nothing more and nothing less. The leadership in the state of Wisconsin should figure it out.
I would say that you guys are part of the enabling, the complicit, in an authoritarian squeeze on democracy.
Yes, "fascist" would be one such authoritarian though not exclusively, another example was the soviets or Russians post collapse or what is happening in Hungary today. Or Venezuela. or...
If you insist on the "Nazi" form, this is akin to the "good Germans" who looked the other way as the Nazis rose to power, pre the burning of the Reichstag in '33, much less Kristallnacht in '38.
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Since when did Trump vote with the SCOTUS. Here is something else to fuss about....
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/05/wh ... n-america/
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... n-america/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/05/wh ... n-america/
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