Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[ardilla secreta]

Enlightening repeat of an 1990 Fresh Air interview with the late J.L. Chestnut who was the first Black lawyer in Selma, Ala. He was working with the NAACP at the time of the city's 1965 civil rights march. Especially disturbing as this was happening during the lifetimes of most posters here.

JL CHESTNUT: Let me give you some flavor of what was going on there. There were only 150 Blacks registered to vote out of a pool of about 15,000. Not one Black - not one in the entire state of Alabama - had ever served on a jury. No Blacks had jobs downtown except as delivery people or janitors, and a Black person could literally lose his or her life for not yielding a sidewalk or saying sir or ma'am to a white person. Fear was everywhere. It engulfed Selma, and it engulfed the South. Now, that is the Selma, the South that I went back to to practice law.

[holmes435]

Enlightening repeat of an 1990 Fresh Air interview with the late J.L. Chestnut who was the first Black lawyer in Selma, Ala. He was working with the NAACP at the time of the city's 1965 civil rights march. Especially disturbing as this was happening during the lifetimes of most posters here.

JL CHESTNUT: Let me give you some flavor of what was going on there. There were only 150 Blacks registered to vote out of a pool of about 15,000. Not one Black - not one in the entire state of Alabama - had ever served on a jury. No Blacks had jobs downtown except as delivery people or janitors, and a Black person could literally lose his or her life for not yielding a sidewalk or saying sir or ma'am to a white person. Fear was everywhere. It engulfed Selma, and it engulfed the South. Now, that is the Selma, the South that I went back to to practice law.

But they got 150 blacks registered to vote! What the hell else is necessary?

...

Ahhh the democrat liberal progressive solution.

One groups miserable.

Fix whats making them miserable?

Nah lets make everyone miserable. Thats equality.

Not really what they're actually doing, but good try.

400 years of oppression including 250 years of slavery followed by another 150 of systemic racism. We've been trying to build the USA into an actual country where everyone is free, but you seem to dragging your feet, kicking and screaming the whole way.

I don't see any meaningful solutions being proposed by the right.

650,000 Americans died in a war to end slavery

We've transferred 10's of trillions to minority populations

Created quotas and affirmative action to level the playing field

Eased entry qualifications in education and employment opportunities.

Result:

A black president of the United states

Minority supreme court justices and judges

Black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

Black governors mayors and legislators from all over the country

Black CEOS, Board members, Corporate executives

Wealth power and equality

What the hell else is necessary.

This could get interesting...

What's interesting about it? One black president? One black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? 4 black Fortune 500 CEOs right now? 6 black billionaires in the US right now? 10 black senators ever? Zero current black state governors and only 4 all time?

Actually I do suppose that is pretty interesting. And pretty stark.

Tons more is necessary.

[DocBarrister]

Make a note, We need to forbid police and federal agents from using military uniforms . The camo uniforms are meant to blend into terrain, the[y] want to be warriors should be in police uniforms with names and badge numbers , this secret police bullsh*t is misuse of @DHSgov

@ltgrusselhonore

—Lt. General Russel Honore (ret.)

DocBarrister

[jhu72]

Make a note, We need to forbid police and federal agents from using military uniforms . The camo uniforms are meant to blend into terrain, the[y] want to be warriors should be in police uniforms with names and badge numbers , this secret police bullsh*t is misuse of @DHSgov

@ltgrusselhonore

—Lt. General Russel Honore (ret.)

DocBarrister

... he is not wrong!

[Farfromgeneva]

New in Wsj this am

Voters in growing numbers believe that Black and Hispanic Americans are discriminated against, and a majority of 56% holds the view that American society is racist, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.

The poll finds that Americans of all races and age groups share significant concerns about discrimination nearly two months after George Floyd, a Black man, was killed in police custody in Minneapolis. Nearly three-quarters of Americans, 71%, believe that race relations are either very or fairly bad, a 16-point increase since February.

In other signs of substantial shifts in views on race, more voters see racial bias as a feature of American society and support protests aimed at addressing it. Nearly 60% in the survey said that Black people face discrimination, and just over half said so of Hispanics, about double the shares from 2008. Support has also grown for two of the public responses to concerns about inequality: the Black Lives Matter movement and professional athletes’ practice of kneeling during the national anthem.



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Source: WSJ/NBC News telephone poll of 900 registered voters conductedJuly 9–12; Margin of error +/-3.27 pct. pts.
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“Americans are concerned about issues of inequality, and George Floyd’s death helped contribute to that,” said Brenda Lee, a pollster who worked on the survey with Democrat Jeff Horwitt and Republican Bill McInturff. “We’ve moved the needle a great deal in terms of just clearly identifying that we, as Americans, have an issue with racism in this society.”

In its deepest look at race in America in two decades, the Journal/NBC News poll also shows members of the two parties hold sharply different opinions about the extent of racial discrimination.

An overwhelming majority of Democrats, 90%, said Black people are discriminated against, whereas 26% of Republicans agreed. A similarly large share of Democrats, 82%, believe American society is racist, a view held by 30% of Republicans.

The events of the past eight weeks have nonetheless moved both Black and white voters toward a shared interest in addressing longstanding problems that many say disproportionately affect people of color.

Fifty-seven percent of voters said they support the nationwide protests sparked by Mr. Floyd’s killing, and 58% said they are more concerned with racial inequality as a result of the demonstrations. Since his death, elected officials across the country have grappled with how to respond to national conversations around policing, race and the legacy of slavery.


A statue of Confederate Gen. J.E.B. Stuart was taken down in Richmond, Va., on July 2. Overall, 51% of Americans support removing such monuments from public property.
PHOTO: JIM LO SCALZO/EPA/SHUTTERSTOCK
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President Trump, a Republican, has largely resisted the changes that protesters and others have called for. He has criticized the Black Lives Matter movement, saying it has a hostile posture toward police. Mr. Trump has said that displaying the Confederate flag should be protected as an expression of free speech, has questioned a Nascar ban on the flag and threatened to veto a defense bill over its inclusion of a requirement that the Defense Department rename U.S. military bases that honor the Confederacy.

A slight majority, some 51% of voters, support removing Confederate statues from where they stand now on public property, while 47% would leave them in place.

Social Shifts

PROTESTS
Do you support protests and demonstrations
after the killing of George Floyd?
Don't have feelings
either way
Oppose
Support
All
57%
9
32
Black
voters
78%
11
9
KNEELING
Is it appropriate for athletes/football players
to kneel during the national anthem to
protest racial inequality?
Not
appropriate
Appropriate
45
52%
July 2020
54
43%
Aug. 2018
STATUES
What should be done with
Confederate statues?
Remove
Leave in place
51%
47
July 2020
35%
63
Aug. 2018
Source: WSJ/NBC News telephone poll most recently of 900 registered voters conducted July 9–12; Margin of error +/-3.27 pct. pts.
Only 10% say the statues should be removed and destroyed. Most voters take a middle position: Some 41% believe that Confederate monuments should be moved and reinstalled in museums, while 31% would leave them in place but add a plaque to explain their historical context. Some 16% would leave such monuments in place as they are, without additional information about their historical background.

“We do not have lots of people in the extremes on this question,” said Micah Roberts, a Republican pollster who also collaborated on the survey. Even among Republicans who most support Mr. Trump, he said, a plurality would add a plaque as opposed to leaving Confederate monuments as they are today.


Attitudes have changed on the appropriateness of kneeling during the national anthem—a gesture popularized by Colin Kaepernick, the former NFL quarterback whom league owners shunned after he took a knee during the national anthem in 2016 to draw attention to police brutality.

A narrow majority of Americans, 52%, now say it is appropriate for athletes to kneel during the anthem to protest racial inequality, up from 43% in 2018. In the new survey, 45% said kneeling was inappropriate.

Mr. Trump has suggested that players who kneel during the anthem be suspended without pay. He reignited the issue during a campaign rally in Tulsa, Okla., last month, telling supporters, “We will never kneel to our national anthem or our great American flag.”

With less than four months until the November election, Mr. Trump’s handling of race relations earns negative marks, with 63% of voters saying they disapprove and 33% approving. Half of Americans feel it has become more acceptable for people to express racist views since Mr. Trump was elected.

Voters remain split on the root cause of racism and how to address racial bias and discrimination.

Targets of Bias
Percentage who say ______ Americans are discriminated against A majority of Black voters in the survey, 65%, said that people of color experience racial discrimination because it is built into American society, including U.S. policies and institutions. By contrast, a plurality of white voters, 48%, attributed racial discrimination to individuals who hold racist views, as opposed to institutions and society as a whole.

Views of the Black Lives Matter movement also differ by race. Among Black voters, 76% hold a positive view of the movement, while views were almost evenly divided among white voters, with 42% holding a positive view and 39% a negative one.


Overall, about half of voters see the movement in a positive light, up from 38% in 2016.

Three-quarters of voters said they were encouraged that the country is addressing longstanding issues of racism in society. At the same time, half said they were concerned that the protests over racial issues are creating social unrest and bringing too much change to the country, including erasing America’s history and significant figures in it.

Survey respondent Myrtis Orr, 76 years old, said the climate today marked a significant shift from when she participated in the civil-rights movement of the 1960s.

RACE, ACTIVISM AND POLITICS

Black Lives Matter’s Years of Pressure Paved Way for Sudden Police Overhaul
Trump’s Emphasis on Racial Divides Worries Republicans
Confederate Names Are Common in the U.S.—and Not Just on Statues

“Back during the time when I was in the movement, it wasn’t as diverse as it is,” said Ms. Orr, a resident of Jackson, Miss. “What’s different now is there were a lot of different races that were participating in the marches or demonstrations to let you know that it’s time for a change.”

She added that incidents of police violence and discrimination against Black people have become more public. “You can’t lie and hide, because the camera shows you what people are doing,” said Ms. Orr, who is Black. “Now, you can see it for yourself.”
Poll participant Joanne Larsen of Iron Mountain, Mich., said she agreed that Black people are treated differently in society but felt the protests “went too far,” citing property damage in some cities and the toppling of Confederate statues.

“The whole situation got out of hand,” said Ms. Larsen, who is white and 57 years old. She added that she would like to see the statues moved to a museum. “It’s part of who we are and part of how we got to where we are.”

Respondent Rick Gray, 56, said he started examining issues of race “from a different lens” after watching the video in which former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin knelt on Mr. Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds.

“I get the phrase Black Lives Matter,” said Mr. Gray, who is white and a resident of Dublin, Ohio. “When you see a murder on camera like that, how could you not come away thinking that [the police] didn’t think his life mattered? That’s what struck me.”

The Journal/NBC News poll surveyed 900 registered voters July 9-12.
Write to Sabrina Siddiqui at [email protected]

[Peter Brown]

Just one more night of Democrats attacking police, looting stores, and rioting in a major city.

Click a link to see actual video (this might not comport with your friends who send you 10 year old photos of quaint Portland):

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/12 ... 20069?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/12 ... 90306?s=20

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/12 ... 75009?s=20

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/stat ... 33250?s=20

[MDlaxfan76]

Bethesda & Silver Spring are just the upscale end of the Purple Line. The rest of the Purple Line opens up neighborhoods that are not so "upscale"
It provides transport for workers from those areas to the jobs in the upscale areas, as well as access to the entire metro system.
When we arrived in SoMd in the late 70's, we used to drive "up the road" for dinner & a movie at Landover Mall.
...that area has really changed since then.

I tend to think of Silver Spring as more middle class, and it goes down hill a bit as you go towards the umd. Langley Park seeming to be lower class.

Bethesda is fairly affluent. it also has a lot of employment opportunities. It has several large office buildings in the downtown area. Marriott has decided to move its headquarters to the downtown area. Of course about a mile up 355 from downtown Bethesda, one has the large federal installations of NIH and the Naval Medical Center.

all correct, the point is that the Purple Line does not extend into nor serve the poorest neighborhoods in the area, so does nothing to address the legacy of redlining etc.

And that's DC...Baltimore left to suck wind.

[youthathletics]

Bethesda & Silver Spring are just the upscale end of the Purple Line. The rest of the Purple Line opens up neighborhoods that are not so "upscale"
It provides transport for workers from those areas to the jobs in the upscale areas, as well as access to the entire metro system.
When we arrived in SoMd in the late 70's, we used to drive "up the road" for dinner & a movie at Landover Mall.
...that area has really changed since then.

I tend to think of Silver Spring as more middle class, and it goes down hill a bit as you go towards the umd. Langley Park seeming to be lower class.

Bethesda is fairly affluent. it also has a lot of employment opportunities. It has several large office buildings in the downtown area. Marriott has decided to move its headquarters to the downtown area. Of course about a mile up 355 from downtown Bethesda, one has the large federal installations of NIH and the Naval Medical Center.

all correct, the point is that the Purple Line does not extend into nor serve the poorest neighborhoods in the area, so does nothing to address the legacy of redlining etc.

And that's DC...Baltimore left to suck wind.

Wrong on the DC portion...I do not know Baltimore well enough.

The purple line does not extend into poorest neighborhoods...for a logical reason...because Metro already has major bus stations at each end and now midway.So the Purple line provides added benefit for all those surrounding poor areas. They have no need to even get in a car.

They just built a multi million dollar Transit in downtown Silver Spring that extends into DC and surrounding (poorer) areas. Sadly they pi$$ed away over an additional 21mm because of poor low bid contractors and consultants.

[Kismet]

W&L must change its name because Lee was a Confederate 160 years ago, Washington was a slave owner 240 years ago; but the same state where W&L resides has a governor who wore blackface and a KKK hood only 30 years ago. The most recent racist is safe though....almost like this isn't about racism.

As is always the case, Peter Brown doesn't know shirt about fork. He's certainly ignorant of history.

Lee took over the presidency of W&L later on in 1865. He served that institution very well and honorably. He also worked to stitch his country back together. Upon accepting the W&L job, he told the Trustees:

"it is the duty of every citizen, in the present condition of the Country, to do all in his power to aid in the restoration of peace and harmony."

He wasn't a Lost Cause-er. He didn't waste his time flying the Confederate Battle Flag like an ignorant redneck. He spent his time on more important things.

Far be it for me (as a Wahoo) to tell W&L what to do. But there's a fine argument to leave the W&L name as it is.

But not for any of the reasons that a gross brainless loser like Peter Brown thinks.

https://www.virginiahistory.org/collect ... -after-war

http://cwmemory.com/2017/05/30/w-e-b-du ... ert-e-lee/

W.E.B. Dubois' take on Robert E Lee and other Confederates in 1928 is illuminating.

[jhu72]

63% of Americans support BLM according to ABC poll.

[jhu72]

Just one more night of Democrats attacking police, looting stores, and rioting in a major city.

Click a link to see actual video (this might not comport with your friends who send you 10 year old photos of quaint Portland):

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/12 ... 20069?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/12 ... 90306?s=20

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/12 ... 75009?s=20

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/stat ... 33250?s=20

… so how is the bronze elk fairing?

[jhu72]

Baseball Giants take a knee during the National Anthem.

[Peter Brown]

Just one more night of Democrats attacking police, looting stores, and rioting in a major city.

Click a link to see actual video (this might not comport with your friends who send you 10 year old photos of quaint Portland):

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/12 ... 20069?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/12 ... 90306?s=20

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/12 ... 75009?s=20

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/stat ... 33250?s=20

… so how is the bronze elk fairing?

You should be proud:

https://twitter.com/PDXzane/status/1284 ... 75874?s=20

[MDlaxfan76]

Bethesda & Silver Spring are just the upscale end of the Purple Line. The rest of the Purple Line opens up neighborhoods that are not so "upscale"
It provides transport for workers from those areas to the jobs in the upscale areas, as well as access to the entire metro system.
When we arrived in SoMd in the late 70's, we used to drive "up the road" for dinner & a movie at Landover Mall.
...that area has really changed since then.

I tend to think of Silver Spring as more middle class, and it goes down hill a bit as you go towards the umd. Langley Park seeming to be lower class.

Bethesda is fairly affluent. it also has a lot of employment opportunities. It has several large office buildings in the downtown area. Marriott has decided to move its headquarters to the downtown area. Of course about a mile up 355 from downtown Bethesda, one has the large federal installations of NIH and the Naval Medical Center.

all correct, the point is that the Purple Line does not extend into nor serve the poorest neighborhoods in the area, so does nothing to address the legacy of redlining etc.

And that's DC...Baltimore left to suck wind.

Wrong on the DC portion...I do not know Baltimore well enough.

The purple line does not extend into poorest neighborhoods...for a logical reason...because Metro already has major bus stations at each end and now midway.So the Purple line provides added benefit for all those surrounding poor areas. They have no need to even get in a car.

They just built a multi million dollar Transit in downtown Silver Spring that extends into DC and surrounding (poorer) areas. Sadly they pi$$ed away over an additional 21mm because of poor low bid contractors and consultants.

Again, I wasn't suggesting that the Purple Line wasn't useful. Just not remotely akin to the Red Line, if measuring on the basis of addressing the issues of redlining legacy.

Bus lines are simply nowhere the same as rail. That was the answer for Baltimore as well, and it's a joke. Miserable answer.

The Hogan Administration turned down federal support for urban rail and prioritized State $ more roads to suburban and rural areas...

Cooter offered up the Purple Line as a refutation. Just not remotely the same thing as the Red Line.

Of course, not to mention that it doesn't serve Maryland's largest city, Baltimore.

[Brooklyn]

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NRA Accidentally Forgets To Rise Up Against Tyrannical Government.



An embarrassed National Rifle Association says it totally forgot to do the one thing it has been saying for years it is solely there to do.

“Our whole reason for lobbying for looser gun laws and amassing huge personal arsenals of weapons these past years was so that we could ensure the security of a free state and protect the people from an oppressive government. And then it actually happened, and the whole rising up against a tyrannical government thing just totally slipped our minds, which is a little embarrassing,” a sheepish NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre said.

He said the morale around the NRA has been pretty low. “The guys feel pretty silly. We had our well regulated militia stocked up and ready to go, just waiting for the moment when the Government would turn on its own people. And then the government started shooting protesters and rolling tanks down the street, and we were like ‘guys this is the one we’ve been talking about, let’s go!’. But then something else came up and we forgot to do it. Damnit!”.

Observers were shocked that the NRA had missed their opportunity to defend their country. “I can’t believe it,” one analyst said. “It’s almost as if they weren’t worried about the government at all. It’s as if they were actually just scared of black people”.



https://www.liker.com/public/chris80370/wall






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And where were all the forum right wingers to defend the 2d Amendment? Suddenly, they have all disappeared!

[ardilla secreta]

W&L must change its name because Lee was a Confederate 160 years ago, Washington was a slave owner 240 years ago; but the same state where W&L resides has a governor who wore blackface and a KKK hood only 30 years ago. The most recent racist is safe though....almost like this isn't about racism.

As is always the case, Peter Brown doesn't know shirt about fork. He's certainly ignorant of history.

Lee took over the presidency of W&L later on in 1865. He served that institution very well and honorably. He also worked to stitch his country back together. Upon accepting the W&L job, he told the Trustees:

"it is the duty of every citizen, in the present condition of the Country, to do all in his power to aid in the restoration of peace and harmony."

He wasn't a Lost Cause-er. He didn't waste his time flying the Confederate Battle Flag like an ignorant redneck. He spent his time on more important things.

Far be it for me (as a Wahoo) to tell W&L what to do. But there's a fine argument to leave the W&L name as it is.

But not for any of the reasons that a gross brainless loser like Peter Brown thinks.

https://www.virginiahistory.org/collect ... -after-war

http://cwmemory.com/2017/05/30/w-e-b-du ... ert-e-lee/

W.E.B. Dubois' take on Robert E Lee and other Confederates in 1928 is illuminating.

W&L should entice Samsung CEO Jay Y Lee (Lee Jae-yong) to donate a large sum and replace Robt E Lee as the namesake of the college.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Just one more night of Democrats attacking police, looting stores, and rioting in a major city.

Click a link to see actual video (this might not comport with your friends who send you 10 year old photos of quaint Portland):

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/12 ... 20069?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/12 ... 90306?s=20

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/12 ... 75009?s=20

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/stat ... 33250?s=20

… so how is the bronze elk fairing?

You should be proud:

https://twitter.com/PDXzane/status/1284 ... 75874?s=20

Did it liquify?

[Farfromgeneva]

W&L must change its name because Lee was a Confederate 160 years ago, Washington was a slave owner 240 years ago; but the same state where W&L resides has a governor who wore blackface and a KKK hood only 30 years ago. The most recent racist is safe though....almost like this isn't about racism.

As is always the case, Peter Brown doesn't know shirt about fork. He's certainly ignorant of history.

Lee took over the presidency of W&L later on in 1865. He served that institution very well and honorably. He also worked to stitch his country back together. Upon accepting the W&L job, he told the Trustees:

"it is the duty of every citizen, in the present condition of the Country, to do all in his power to aid in the restoration of peace and harmony."

He wasn't a Lost Cause-er. He didn't waste his time flying the Confederate Battle Flag like an ignorant redneck. He spent his time on more important things.

Far be it for me (as a Wahoo) to tell W&L what to do. But there's a fine argument to leave the W&L name as it is.

But not for any of the reasons that a gross brainless loser like Peter Brown thinks.

https://www.virginiahistory.org/collect ... -after-war

http://cwmemory.com/2017/05/30/w-e-b-du ... ert-e-lee/

W.E.B. Dubois' take on Robert E Lee and other Confederates in 1928 is illuminating.

W&L should entice Samsung CEO Jay Y Lee (Lee Jae-yong) to donate a large sum and replace Robt E Lee as the namesake of the college.

Been waiting for Abby Johnson to drop some real money on Hobart (&William Smith) and we finally sell out and change the name to Fidelity College.

[dislaxxic]

Matt Taibbi on Why Policing Is Broken

"I met a lot of police officers researching this issue. Plenty of jerks, but many went into the job for good reasons. They had seen police shows like Law & Order and Columbo and movies like Serpico growing up, and dreamed of being heroes who caught killers, rescued the injured, protected women and children. Others, like Pedro Serrano, were themselves victims of racist profiling while growing up, and joined the force to help change it. Many say they want to do a very difficult job the right way, and would welcome reform, but find themselves stymied by bureaucratic imperatives they say cast police in the roles of harassers and occupiers, working alongside known problem officers the system refuses to discipline.

A reimagined police force that allowed officers to focus on serious crime would allow better officers to rise through the ranks and teach a new generation how to do the job in a smarter, more humane way. The current strategy turns policing into a physically intrusive, military-style endeavor, with artificially high numbers of tense confrontations. Ending those strategies could have dramatic positive consequences.

Even in the poorest neighborhoods, residents have conflicting views about police. There is deep anger, but also a desire for the same level of protection people in wealthier neighborhoods take for granted. Polls sometimes show a desire for more police, not fewer: That may not be the case with the defund movement, but improvements would surely be welcomed in any case. Changing the hearts of bad officers is a project for the ages. Changing the job is something that can be done for people now."

..

[jhu72]

Just one more night of Democrats attacking police, looting stores, and rioting in a major city.

Click a link to see actual video (this might not comport with your friends who send you 10 year old photos of quaint Portland):

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/12 ... 20069?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/12 ... 90306?s=20

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/12 ... 75009?s=20

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/stat ... 33250?s=20

… so how is the bronze elk fairing?

You should be proud:

https://twitter.com/PDXzane/status/1284 ... 75874?s=20

… glad to see the elk decided to take up residence outside the fire pit.