Johns Hopkins 2021

[genghiskhanbluejay]

Between a PG year, RS year, and the NCAA-granted year Kirson will be able to tell a lot of "back in my day" stories to the class of 2024.

He wont even be the oldest Hill Academy grad playing with the class of 2024.
Adam Charalambides first year on Rutgers was 2015 and he also has 2 years of eligibility left.

[Hopfan]

Word about Hopkins getting another portal transfer: D Beaudan Szuluk from Lafayette, 6'2", 210, from Avon Old Farms with 4 yrs of eligibility. Here is IL's writeup on him:
So impressed by his toughness on-ball when he was guarding Casey McDermott (Johns Hopkins), whose overriding attribute is toughness, as well. Szuluk is tall and can maintain power with his arms extended, so he's really difficult to run through and around.

A lockdown on-ball guy who sought out the toughest matchup on opposing teams while playing alongside Under Armour All-American Cameron Henry, he's got the look of a player who can help coach Pat Myers move the program forward.

[DocBarrister]

Word about Hopkins getting another portal transfer: D Beaudan Szuluk from Lafayette, 6'2", 210, from Avon Old Farms with 4 yrs of eligibility. Here is IL's writeup on him:
So impressed by his toughness on-ball when he was guarding Casey McDermott (Johns Hopkins), whose overriding attribute is toughness, as well. Szuluk is tall and can maintain power with his arms extended, so he's really difficult to run through and around.

A lockdown on-ball guy who sought out the toughest matchup on opposing teams while playing alongside Under Armour All-American Cameron Henry, he's got the look of a player who can help coach Pat Myers move the program forward.

Wow. He would be a great get by Coach Milliman. Would improve depth on defense. For what it’s worth, he’s IL’s #6 underclassman on the transfer portal.

DocBarrister

[Lax1]

I asked a friend who plays in NE West 1 or whatever the boarding school league in Connecticut is called how the competition level was and who was really impressive after the 2019 season. The guy he was really excited about was Beaudan Szuluk. Absolute stud who only played 2 years of lax before college if I remember correctly. Maybe 3. The only reason he didn’t go to a Big Ten/ACC was that ER filled up all the slots before he had even picked up a stick. Absolute stud who was guarding top options in the Founder’s League pretty much from the day that he picked up a stick. Would be a huge get and I think he would come in and be one of the top two cover guys, with Scott Smith, from day 1. I didn’t watch Lafayette this year but it seemed like he made some all-freshman second teams or something so he seems to be adjusting to D1 lax just fine. If he is going to Hopkins, the new staff (which I think was absolutely perfectly hired) just transformed the D in like 2 weeks from horrid to looking really promising.

[51percentcorn]

They just literally added all 18 incoming freshmen to the roster - they are all there - who's in charge of the media these days - Speedy Gonzalez?

SO getting all these new toys is pretty exciting but when are the parents going to clean up the family room? - let's talk about some unpleasant realities:
I count 43 names on the "2021" roster - let's say Gainey is really gone - so 42 right now
18 incoming freshmen
3 transfers (so far) Maybe
Let's get the abacus out - carry the one- cue Jeopardy music - I get 63 - What the heck? That's 10 more than an active NFL roster! That's FORTY more than the magic number of 23 (for anybody that's missed it that's the average number of children that get to play in a competitive game)

So when does Milliman get cut from about 8 families" christmas card lists? He cannot revoke any of the incoming freshmen's NLIs correct? If any one of them had Mom and Dad paying the full boat (good for them) and didn't have to sign an NLI he could give them bad news I assume? All he can do is make it extremely clear that if he is the coach in 2022 that particular freshman should not count on that athletic money reappearing or having a jersey is that right?
So that leaves the 42 - has Hopkins had to already re-up scholarship offers? I know they are annual agreements but when do they have to occur? Is he actually stuck in someways?

Bill Parcells had a famous line about if he had to cook the meal he should be allowed to buy the groceries - that line applies to every college coach - but I think the Hopkins coach has an additional duty because the prior coach stuck him with 36 recruits in 2 consecutive classes - he has to clean out the fridge.

[houndace1]

They just literally added all 18 incoming freshmen to the roster - they are all there - who's in charge of the media these days - Speedy Gonzalez?

SO getting all these new toys is pretty exciting but when are the parents going to clean up the family room? - let's talk about some unpleasant realities:
I count 43 names on the "2021" roster - let's say Gainey is really gone - so 42 right now
18 incoming freshmen
3 transfers (so far) Maybe
Let's get the abacus out - carry the one- cue Jeopardy music - I get 63 - What the heck? That's 10 more than an active NFL roster! That's FORTY more than the magic number of 23 (for anybody that's missed it that's the average number of children that get to play in a competitive game)

So when does Milliman get cut from about 8 families" christmas card lists? He cannot revoke any of the incoming freshmen's NLIs correct? If any one of them had Mom and Dad paying the full boat (good for them) and didn't have to sign an NLI he could give them bad news I assume? All he can do is make it extremely clear that if he is the coach in 2022 that particular freshman should not count on that athletic money reappearing or having a jersey is that right?
So that leaves the 42 - has Hopkins had to already re-up scholarship offers? I know they are annual agreements but when do they have to occur? Is he actually stuck in someways?

Bill Parcells had a famous line about if he had to cook the meal he should be allowed to buy the groceries - that line applies to every college coach - but I think the Hopkins coach has an additional duty because the prior coach stuck him with 36 recruits in 2 consecutive classes - he has to clean out the fridge.

How is this possible? i thought college lacrosse only allowed 12.6 scholarships every year? how can a coach bring in 18 kids in one recruiting class?

[51percentcorn]

It's 12.6 for the ENTIRE TEAM. So, therefore, virtually no one gets a full ride. So if this were evenly distributed for 63 each kid would get an approximate 20% scholarship. Obviously, this is not a socialistic enterprise so some get more and some "No soup for you". How Petro handled that issue recruiting kids almost 4 years in advance I have no idea. Hopkins needed a capologist more than the Ravens or the Redskins.

[Catbird]

Some kids don't get anything? Some kids get partials? Most don't get full rides anywhere unless I'm terribly informed. Hopkins does have all that Bloomberg money now which allows them to give more need based aid? Others would know better how exactly that would play into it.

[houndace1]

It's 12.6 for the ENTIRE TEAM. So, therefore, virtually no one gets a full ride. So if this were evenly distributed for 63 each kid would get an approximate 20% scholarship. Obviously, this is not a socialistic enterprise so some get more and some "No soup for you". How Petro handled that issue recruiting kids almost 4 years in advance I have no idea. Hopkins needed a capologist more than the Ravens or the Redskins.

so a college coach has to pick each year which among the players get the 12.6 scholarships out of a roster of 45 guys... you can literally have players on the team then that are not even getting the scholarship benefits.. this makes me wonder how much dissent there could be in a locker room if a scholarship is taken from one guy and given to another

[HopFan16]

so a college coach has to pick each year which among the players get the 12.6 scholarships out of a roster of 45 guys... you can literally have players on the team then that are not even getting the scholarship benefits

Yes it's been like this for a long time and is the case at every school. Some get a lot, some get a little, some get nothing. Many of those with little to no scholarship money receive financial aid. Hopkins typically offers solid financial aid packages and that's only going to get better with the Bloomberg cash injection.

If the Szuluk news is true (haven't seen it reported yet, unlike Kirson), then it's further evidence that guys out there are really intrigued by this new staff. Szuluk likely had his pick of top schools to go to—with all due respect to Lafayette, based on what I've heard about the kid it seems it was only a matter of time before he sought a lacrosse upgrade. Would not be surprised to hear Yale, PSU, UVA, etc. had interest once he entered the portal. I don't think it's smart to automatically pencil him in as a starter but at the very least he makes that group of poles even more interesting. Played high school with Owen Murphy and club with Glassmeyer. In the shortened season, Lafayette faced UNC, PSU, Army, and GTown so he's seen some real competition already.

Let's say we enter the fall with 60+ guys on the roster...my hunch is they trim that down to the vicinity of 50 before the real games start. Lots of teams are going to have cuts and we'll be one of them. The big complication is that there might not be a fall ball program this year—if that's the case I'm not sure exactly how you can fairly make cuts. Guys with scholarships would NOT be safe from cuts. Apparently there's a stipulation in the NCAA rules that a new staff can make cuts and reallocate those players' scholarships immediately.

[Sagittarius A*]

I had a chance to watch the UMBC v Marist game last night.
UMBC definitely had a swarming disruptive defense under JK.
They weren't very big, but they slid and recovered very quickly. They knocked down balls and they were good off the ground.
They tried to break out fast whenever they got possession. Swarming is probably a good adjective to describe them.
It's definitely a different, more aggressive defense than we've seen oh these last many years but they still played like a team.
You really get a sense of team defense when you watch them.
In 2020, UMBC defense held MSM to 4 goals, whereas we gave up 12 to them.
I'm pretty excited to see what JK can do with our players.

[Matnum PI]

[viper]

It's 12.6 for the ENTIRE TEAM. So, therefore, virtually no one gets a full ride. So if this were evenly distributed for 63 each kid would get an approximate 20% scholarship. Obviously, this is not a socialistic enterprise so some get more and some "No soup for you". How Petro handled that issue recruiting kids almost 4 years in advance I have no idea. Hopkins needed a capologist more than the Ravens or the Redskins.

so a college coach has to pick each year which among the players get the 12.6 scholarships out of a roster of 45 guys... you can literally have players on the team then that are not even getting the scholarship benefits.. this makes me wonder how much dissent there could be in a locker room if a scholarship is taken from one guy and given to another

I (anecdotally) know of one instance of a division 1 coach doing exactly that in the locker room after a practice with the entire team present. I will say that the coach is still there and it is not a team that has enjoyed top 10/20 status.

[houndace1]

so a college coach has to pick each year which among the players get the 12.6 scholarships out of a roster of 45 guys... you can literally have players on the team then that are not even getting the scholarship benefits

Yes it's been like this for a long time and is the case at every school. Some get a lot, some get a little, some get nothing. Many of those with little to no scholarship money receive financial aid. Hopkins typically offers solid financial aid packages and that's only going to get better with the Bloomberg cash injection.

If the Szuluk news is true (haven't seen it reported yet, unlike Kirson), then it's further evidence that guys out there are really intrigued by this new staff. Szuluk likely had his pick of top schools to go to—with all due respect to Lafayette, based on what I've heard about the kid it seems it was only a matter of time before he sought a lacrosse upgrade. Would not be surprised to hear Yale, PSU, UVA, etc. had interest once he entered the portal. I don't think it's smart to automatically pencil him in as a starter but at the very least he makes that group of poles even more interesting. Played high school with Owen Murphy and club with Glassmeyer. In the shortened season, Lafayette faced UNC, PSU, Army, and GTown so he's seen some real competition already.

Let's say we enter the fall with 60+ guys on the roster...my hunch is they trim that down to the vicinity of 50 before the real games start. Lots of teams are going to have cuts and we'll be one of them. The big complication is that there might not be a fall ball program this year—if that's the case I'm not sure exactly how you can fairly make cuts. Guys with scholarships would NOT be safe from cuts. Apparently there's a stipulation in the NCAA rules that a new staff can make cuts and reallocate those players' scholarships immediately.

Just checked his page on lafayettes website. He's a math/econ major so my guess he would go into Carey's business school when gets here to Hopkins.

Looking at this box scores, he's had a couple GB's with 1-2 Caused Turnovers every game in the shortened 2020 season.

I saw him play against Loyola in their PL contest. Kid fights for groundballs relentlessly, he's huge and strong. One instance he caused a nice turnover against Olmstead, then ran through three Loyola offensive guys to chase the ground ball and came out of the scrum CLEAN

[houndace1]

It's 12.6 for the ENTIRE TEAM. So, therefore, virtually no one gets a full ride. So if this were evenly distributed for 63 each kid would get an approximate 20% scholarship. Obviously, this is not a socialistic enterprise so some get more and some "No soup for you". How Petro handled that issue recruiting kids almost 4 years in advance I have no idea. Hopkins needed a capologist more than the Ravens or the Redskins.

so a college coach has to pick each year which among the players get the 12.6 scholarships out of a roster of 45 guys... you can literally have players on the team then that are not even getting the scholarship benefits.. this makes me wonder how much dissent there could be in a locker room if a scholarship is taken from one guy and given to another

I (anecdotally) know of one instance of a division 1 coach doing exactly that in the locker room after a practice with the entire team present. I will say that the coach is still there and it is not a team that has enjoyed top 10/20 status.

This seems kind of toxic on the coach's behalf for the entire team. To list out which kids are getting their scholarships taken away to then state who will be getting the recipient of said scholarship??

[Laxbuck]

It's 12.6 for the ENTIRE TEAM. So, therefore, virtually no one gets a full ride. So if this were evenly distributed for 63 each kid would get an approximate 20% scholarship. Obviously, this is not a socialistic enterprise so some get more and some "No soup for you". How Petro handled that issue recruiting kids almost 4 years in advance I have no idea. Hopkins needed a capologist more than the Ravens or the Redskins.

so a college coach has to pick each year which among the players get the 12.6 scholarships out of a roster of 45 guys... you can literally have players on the team then that are not even getting the scholarship benefits.. this makes me wonder how much dissent there could be in a locker room if a scholarship is taken from one guy and given to another

Not much different than allotting playing time. Good cultures are able to minimize these issues

[jhu06]

-I thought the rule for next year was that grad students who return don't count against the 12.6. I'm sure williams got a nice chunk of that 12.6 last year so having him on the team next year is like being able to go over the salary cap. This is also probably a way that programs like syracuse/hopkins are able to flex their financial muscle.
-Right now the only 3 players 4 if you count this defenseman that the current staff have ok'd are williams, the goalie from osu, and the kid from cuse. The other players from epstein to the recruits are kids that another staff wanted and not necessarily the current one. Obviously some of them are no brainers like prouty and epstein to come back.
-last patriot league defenseman/recruit we got was durkin. One of Petros finest moments, I don't remember how that went down. Fraser I think was another late bloomer.
-I ran through a list yesterday of 7 kids that barely made the field under the old staff last year. That would be an easy roster adjustment unless they had something on tape from hs. some of those were walkons or kids who were seemingly on the team just because their father had played at jhu and they had played in hs. Tough decisions for Milliman because each of those players comes from programs/hs that will have other kids he'll want in the future and they'll remember how he treated them.
-the bloomberg aid is only for parents below a certain threshold and hopkins is pretty strict with merit aid. It's not a blank check and this is still one of the most expensive schools in the country and at least $3-5k/year more than most of our rivals.

[wgdsr]

-the bloomberg aid is only for parents below a certain threshold and hopkins is pretty strict with merit aid. It's not a blank check and this is still one of the most expensive schools in the country and at least $3-5k/year more than most of our rivals.

i dunno. i ran through the hopkins quick calulator several weeks ago with some decent sized numbers, and there seems to be aid-o-plenty:
https://finaid.jhu.edu/undergraduate-ai ... ege-costs/

[wgdsr]

Let's say we enter the fall with 60+ guys on the roster...my hunch is they trim that down to the vicinity of 50 before the real games start. Lots of teams are going to have cuts and we'll be one of them. The big complication is that there might not be a fall ball program this year—if that's the case I'm not sure exactly how you can fairly make cuts. Guys with scholarships would NOT be safe from cuts. Apparently there's a stipulation in the NCAA rules that a new staff can make cuts and reallocate those players' scholarships immediately.

maybe i'm confused by what you mean here. are you saying a team can cut a guy during the school year, then use what was his scholarship money re: the 12.6 on someone else? because the player you're cutting is still getting his money in that academic year.

a new staff would be able to then have what amounts to extra scholarships allowed (as the player(s) cut are no longer on the team)? i'm not saying it's impossible (the dox/villanova/uva rule is new to me and kinda messed up), and the nc$$ has some ridiculous rules... but i'd definitely be surprised.

[MDlaxfan76]

so a college coach has to pick each year which among the players get the 12.6 scholarships out of a roster of 45 guys... you can literally have players on the team then that are not even getting the scholarship benefits

Yes it's been like this for a long time and is the case at every school. Some get a lot, some get a little, some get nothing. Many of those with little to no scholarship money receive financial aid. Hopkins typically offers solid financial aid packages and that's only going to get better with the Bloomberg cash injection.

If the Szuluk news is true (haven't seen it reported yet, unlike Kirson), then it's further evidence that guys out there are really intrigued by this new staff. Szuluk likely had his pick of top schools to go to—with all due respect to Lafayette, based on what I've heard about the kid it seems it was only a matter of time before he sought a lacrosse upgrade. Would not be surprised to hear Yale, PSU, UVA, etc. had interest once he entered the portal. I don't think it's smart to automatically pencil him in as a starter but at the very least he makes that group of poles even more interesting. Played high school with Owen Murphy and club with Glassmeyer. In the shortened season, Lafayette faced UNC, PSU, Army, and GTown so he's seen some real competition already.

Let's say we enter the fall with 60+ guys on the roster...my hunch is they trim that down to the vicinity of 50 before the real games start. Lots of teams are going to have cuts and we'll be one of them. The big complication is that there might not be a fall ball program this year—if that's the case I'm not sure exactly how you can fairly make cuts. Guys with scholarships would NOT be safe from cuts. Apparently there's a stipulation in the NCAA rules that a new staff can make cuts and reallocate those players' scholarships immediately.

Just checked his page on lafayettes website. He's a math/econ major so my guess he would go into Carey's business school when gets here to Hopkins.

Looking at this box scores, he's had a couple GB's with 1-2 Caused Turnovers every game in the shortened 2020 season.

I saw him play against Loyola in their PL contest. Kid fights for groundballs relentlessly, he's huge and strong. One instance he caused a nice turnover against Olmstead, then ran through three Loyola offensive guys to chase the ground ball and came out of the scrum CLEAN

Carey is a graduate program, though there is a minor they participate in. There isn't a major in business, those interested in industry major in economics, math, maybe history, psychology, etc or some sort of engineering. The Center for Leadership Education (CLE) adds another dimension. There is now a Business minor offered as a joint program of Krieger (Arts and Sciences) and Carey, managed by CLE. Also an Accounting minor and an Entrepreneurship minor.

https://engineering.jhu.edu/cle/about-cle/