All things CoronaVirus

[RedFromMI]

Widespread testing a barrier for reopening country as White House seeks plan
White House aides scramble to ramp up testing in the U.S., but there's no clear plan yet.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... n-n1185516

The White House is exploring ways of drastically increasing coronavirus testing in the U.S., as President Donald Trump’s aides scramble to put measures in place that might make it feasible for him to meet his goal of reopening the economy in parts of the country by May 1, according to four people familiar with the efforts.

Multiple ideas are under consideration for increasing diagnostic testing and testing for coronavirus antibodies as well as how to target those tests to geographic areas and specific industries to open as much of the economy as possible, these people said.

One proposal that’s been considered would involve the federal government partnering with major technology companies in an effort aimed at increasing testing capacity to at least 3 million tests a day, according to three people familiar with the plan. Some administration officials, however, cautioned that amount was unrealistic and said different types of testing would be strategically deployed.

A senior administration official said the White House is “close” to making an announcement on a plan.

Another idea that’s been discussed would use the Defense Production Act to rapidly scale up testing, according to one person familiar with the discussions, though officials played down the idea given that Trump has been resistant to more consistently deploying that presidential power since he would rather use the law as leverage to get companies to take such steps.

The push to ramp up testing reflects an acknowledgment by some of the president’s advisers that, despite his insistence that testing is working well, there are problems with access and that significantly increasing the number of tests per day will be critical if the economy is going to reopen. Trump said he will announce guidelines on Thursday for reopening the economy.

Just think what the result would have been if the administration did this say in early February, when Trump seemed to think his ban on some China travel would fix everything...

[6ftstick]

AFAN....as usual, you run into the room with the green smoke cans lit.........waving them around like you just mentioned something important. really, really important. Yet, run, when even discussed. A little bit. The topic YOU brought up. The NBA

The NBA just woke up, one day, and decided, without any input from anyone, or anything, well, I think we should cancel the remainder of the season. Just, you know because.

Groups of 50, 20, 10....whatever. The NBA made THAT rule? maybe YOU should be using some THC.

No one is getting arrested, for violating the NBA's self imposed "no more groups larger than 10 people" ? NO ONE? seriously, that's why you think business shut down. my brew-INZ were on a roll, the NHL decided it would be best, for the safety of players and fans.......please, they will be bailed out. hugely.

Those parking the cars, bringing your drinks, while watching the NHL.........will NOT be bailed out. Can't collect unemployment either.

Oh well, should have learned to code (this statement would have be banned from twiitter, forever. )

The last games for the NBA were played on March 11. At the time, not one single State had a ban on gatherings. Not one.

Free market made a choice, my friend. There goes your theory that the government is responsible for this mess. The free market NBA said: "we have players who have COVID. We're not putting our assets at risk to make guys like Cooter, RRR, and others happy".

Why didn't they listen to your counsel that playing basketball with fellow players that have the virus is just no big deal?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._stat ... s_pandemic

Because at the time the Wuhan Virus was equivalent to the "Black Plague"——incredibly lethal

Now it turns out the virus is barely 1% lethal WITHOUT a patients comorbidities and underlying conditions.

[RedFromMI]

So tired of this.
So, we have over 30k deaths in just, what the first 60 days of this pandemic in the US, even with immense efforts to social distance the last 30, and you're still equating the flu with COVID-19?

I have no idea whether you are truly stupid or are just trolling, but give this one up, 6ft.
That dog don't hunt.

Try another dog.

So those 60 thousand deaths really don't matter to you.

Because its just the flu.

Even if you trust the accuracy of these numbers.....

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map


.......in the upper right hand corner, the number most of US read is: 26,708

Who knew 26,708 was more than 30K. Or, OVER, 30k

It is US, who are sick of you and your nonsense fear porn, on the fly numbers .

Stop making opinions, as if they are facts.

Number is currently over 30K (just checked). You have to refresh the page to get the current numbers. worldometer.info is almost 34K because it includes likely cases not tested in NYS.

Real number is maybe double - 60K or even 70K - due to our lack of testing and the fact that a lot of cases where you have an in-home death get missed in the confirmed count (which is what the jhu site includes only). But you can get a pretty accurate estimate of real numbers by looking at excess deaths over normal, and for at least 4 European countries confirmed cases are about half the total deaths including the excess ones.

[MDlaxfan76]

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Whoa, what "rights" did you relinquish, red?
I haven't relinquished any at all.

I still have the right be an a-hole if I want and even to endanger others.
Might have to pay a fine if I do, but how many fines have actually been paid?

It's NOT reds list, dense boy.

but this: above. a-hole?

Let's be very clear, for once. Have you left your home, in the past three weeks? yes, or no. No obstificating, just yes or no

no, I've stayed in.

Of course I knew it wasn't red's list. I'm also betting that once he thinks about it, he hasn't given up any "rights" either.
Nope, he's choosing to not be able to enjoy lots of simple things we take for granted, but he's doing so to benefit those around him, both close and unknown.

[calourie]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-senator- ... 43247.html

Here is the financial conundrum we are all dealing with: How long should we be in lockdown mode? Opening up early presents the very real probability of a surge in virus deaths which would very likely substantially flatten the curve of economic recovery due to fears of reengaging. Stay locked down too long and the task of getting back to normal a priori takes longer. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place with this scourge and either course we take will be subject to counterfactual second guessing. Folks in here obviously have their preferences, and my guess is the longer we are advised to stay locked down, the stronger the drum beat for a quicker reopening will become unless flareups start occurring more frequently in unexpected places. No one is going to be happy with the increased probability of their loved ones dying. Either way I think economic recovery will be halting and discouragingly slow.

[runrussellrun]

AFAN....as usual, you run into the room with the green smoke cans lit.........waving them around like you just mentioned something important. really, really important. Yet, run, when even discussed. A little bit. The topic YOU brought up. The NBA

The NBA just woke up, one day, and decided, without any input from anyone, or anything, well, I think we should cancel the remainder of the season. Just, you know because.

Groups of 50, 20, 10....whatever. The NBA made THAT rule? maybe YOU should be using some THC.

No one is getting arrested, for violating the NBA's self imposed "no more groups larger than 10 people" ? NO ONE? seriously, that's why you think business shut down. my brew-INZ were on a roll, the NHL decided it would be best, for the safety of players and fans.......please, they will be bailed out. hugely.

Those parking the cars, bringing your drinks, while watching the NHL.........will NOT be bailed out. Can't collect unemployment either.

Oh well, should have learned to code (this statement would have be banned from twiitter, forever. )

The last games for the NBA were played on March 11. At the time, not one single State had a ban on gatherings. Not one.

Free market made a choice, my friend. There goes your theory that the government is responsible for this mess. The free market NBA said: "we have players who have COVID. We're not putting our assets at risk to make guys like Cooter, RRR, and others happy".

Why didn't they listen to your counsel that playing basketball with fellow players that have the virus is just no big deal?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._stat ... s_pandemic

Think I will get sick... siting wikipedia

Like I asked, the NBA just decided to cancel the season. No one advised them? Gave them the heads up? Of course they did.

Free market? How about now, can the NBA complete the season, if they decided to do that.? Yes or No.

[6ftstick]

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So tired of this.
So, we have over 30k deaths in just, what the first 60 days of this pandemic in the US, even with immense efforts to social distance the last 30, and you're still equating the flu with COVID-19?

I have no idea whether you are truly stupid or are just trolling, but give this one up, 6ft.
That dog don't hunt.

Try another dog.

So those 60 thousand deaths really don't matter to you.

Because its just the flu.

Even if you trust the accuracy of these numbers.....

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map


.......in the upper right hand corner, the number most of US read is: 26,708

Who knew 26,708 was more than 30K. Or, OVER, 30k

It is US, who are sick of you and your nonsense fear porn, on the fly numbers .

Stop making opinions, as if they are facts.

Number is currently over 30K (just checked). You have to refresh the page to get the current numbers. worldometer.info is almost 34K because it includes likely cases not tested in NYS.

Real number is maybe double - 60K or even 70K - due to our lack of testing and the fact that a lot of cases where you have an in-home death get missed in the confirmed count (which is what the jhu site includes only). But you can get a pretty accurate estimate of real numbers by looking at excess deaths over normal, and for at least 4 European countries confirmed cases are about half the total deaths including the excess ones.
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Roughly 50% of that total is from ONE city.

And in the interest of accuracy any fatality that has any relation to Covid19 is considered death BY Covid19 Not death WITH Covid19

[RedFromMI]

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Whoa, what "rights" did you relinquish, red?
I haven't relinquished any at all.

I still have the right be an a-hole if I want and even to endanger others.
Might have to pay a fine if I do, but how many fines have actually been paid?

It's NOT reds list, dense boy.

but this: above. a-hole?

Let's be very clear, for once. Have you left your home, in the past three weeks? yes, or no. No obstificating, just yes or no

no, I've stayed in.

Of course I knew it wasn't red's list. I'm also betting that once he thinks about it, he hasn't given up any "rights" either.
Nope, he's choosing to not be able to enjoy lots of simple things we take for granted, but he's doing so to benefit those around him, both close and unknown.

Actually I did answer that - and you are correct that I did not give up any rights. And correct that I am doing the correct things to benefit those around me.

[runrussellrun]

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Even if you trust the accuracy of these numbers.....

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map


.......in the upper right hand corner, the number most of US read is: 26,708

Who knew 26,708 was more than 30K. Or, OVER, 30k

It is US, who are sick of you and your nonsense fear porn, on the fly numbers .

Stop making opinions, as if they are facts.
[/quote]

Number is currently over 30K (just checked). You have to refresh the page to get the current numbers. worldometer.info is almost 34K because it includes likely cases not tested in NYS.

Real number is maybe double - 60K or even 70K - due to our lack of testing and the fact that a lot of cases where you have an in-home death get missed in the confirmed count (which is what the jhu site includes only). But you can get a pretty accurate estimate of real numbers by looking at excess deaths over normal, and for at least 4 European countries confirmed cases are about half the total deaths including the excess ones.
[/quote]

How many times should I refresh ?

I am using the link I provided. Where are you seeing over 30K? worldmeter?

FLU deaths are ALSO claimed to be underreported.......so what's your point?

[old salt]

You have a huge myopic blind spot about ISIS. No only did they undo, in a few months, what took a hard decade of sacrifice to accomplish, they killed millions. They were a much greater threat than OBL & AQ -- they were it's malignant mutation, metastasized. That you can so casually dismiss them, & think we can isolate ourselves from such malevolent forces, indicates what a naive fantasy cyber space in which you dwell.

No. What it indicates is that you and I have different worldviews, is all. That's not myopic.

OBL ACTUALLY killed thousand of Americans.

ISIS? What was their total?

You believe the US is on the hook for any deaths anywhere in the world. I don't. That's the difference between you and I.

We're responsible for the deaths which ISIS's wrought because we helped create them, irresponsibly pulled out early, & didn't respond to the Iraqi's frantic pleas for help until ISIS was in Baghdad's suburbs. Had we never gone ashore in '91 (or anytime since), your head-in-the-sand perspective might have some validity.

[MDlaxfan76]

So tired of this.
So, we have over 30k deaths in just, what the first 60 days of this pandemic in the US, even with immense efforts to social distance the last 30, and you're still equating the flu with COVID-19?

I have no idea whether you are truly stupid or are just trolling, but give this one up, 6ft.
That dog don't hunt.

Try another dog.

So those 60 thousand deaths really don't matter to you.

Because its just the flu.

Even if you trust the accuracy of these numbers.....

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map


.......in the upper right hand corner, the number most of US read is: 26,708

Who knew 26,708 was more than 30K. Or, OVER, 30k

It is US, who are sick of you and your nonsense fear porn, on the fly numbers .

Stop making opinions, as if they are facts.

Number is currently over 30K (just checked). You have to refresh the page to get the current numbers. worldometer.info is almost 34K because it includes likely cases not tested in NYS.

Real number is maybe double - 60K or even 70K - due to our lack of testing and the fact that a lot of cases where you have an in-home death get missed in the confirmed count (which is what the jhu site includes only). But you can get a pretty accurate estimate of real numbers by looking at excess deaths over normal, and for at least 4 European countries confirmed cases are about half the total deaths including the excess ones.

What is truly alarming is that even after all this, there are so many truly hard headed nut jobs who think it's comparable to the flu, so why the big deal?

And why do those nut jobs all line up with Trump?
why the correlation?

Caveat, RRR says he doesn't like Trump but then he simply has a low opinion of everyone but himself. True outlier.

[RedFromMI]

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Even if you trust the accuracy of these numbers.....

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map


.......in the upper right hand corner, the number most of US read is: 26,708

Who knew 26,708 was more than 30K. Or, OVER, 30k

It is US, who are sick of you and your nonsense fear porn, on the fly numbers .

Stop making opinions, as if they are facts.

Number is currently over 30K (just checked). You have to refresh the page to get the current numbers. worldometer.info is almost 34K because it includes likely cases not tested in NYS.

Real number is maybe double - 60K or even 70K - due to our lack of testing and the fact that a lot of cases where you have an in-home death get missed in the confirmed count (which is what the jhu site includes only). But you can get a pretty accurate estimate of real numbers by looking at excess deaths over normal, and for at least 4 European countries confirmed cases are about half the total deaths including the excess ones.
[/quote]

How many times should I refresh ?

I am using the link I provided. Where are you seeing over 30K? worldmeter?

FLU deaths are ALSO claimed to be underreported.......so what's your point?
[/quote]

Same page you were on:

Screenshot_2020-04-16 COVID-19 Map.png (234.52 KiB) Viewed 1950 times

[a fan]

Because at the time the Wuhan Virus was equivalent to the "Black Plague"——incredibly lethal

You're projecting.

The NBA made its own free market choice, something you're supposed to be behind. You're attaching a bunch of nonsense to that choice to bolster your own worldview.

NBA players tested positive. What you are trying to sell me is that if your kid was on an NBA team and had fellow teammates test positive for the virus...you'd want your kid and his virus-ridden teammates to keep right on playing.

I'm not buying what you're selling.

[MDlaxfan76]

You have a huge myopic blind spot about ISIS. No only did they undo, in a few months, what took a hard decade of sacrifice to accomplish, they killed millions. They were a much greater threat than OBL & AQ -- they were it's malignant mutation, metastasized. That you can so casually dismiss them, & think we can isolate ourselves from such malevolent forces, indicates what a naive fantasy cyber space in which you dwell.

No. What it indicates is that you and I have different worldviews, is all. That's not myopic.

OBL ACTUALLY killed thousand of Americans.

ISIS? What was their total?

You believe the US is on the hook for any deaths anywhere in the world. I don't. That's the difference between you and I.

We're responsible for the deaths which ISIS's wrought because we helped create them, irresponsibly pulled out early, & didn't respond to the Iraqi's frantic pleas for help until ISIS was in Baghdad's suburbs. Had we never gone ashore in '91 (or anytime since), your head-in-the-sand perspective might have some validity.

Interesting debate, undoubtedly, but not exactly relevant to this thread, right?

[6ftstick]

Widespread testing a barrier for reopening country as White House seeks plan
White House aides scramble to ramp up testing in the U.S., but there's no clear plan yet.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... n-n1185516

The White House is exploring ways of drastically increasing coronavirus testing in the U.S., as President Donald Trump’s aides scramble to put measures in place that might make it feasible for him to meet his goal of reopening the economy in parts of the country by May 1, according to four people familiar with the efforts.

Multiple ideas are under consideration for increasing diagnostic testing and testing for coronavirus antibodies as well as how to target those tests to geographic areas and specific industries to open as much of the economy as possible, these people said.

One proposal that’s been considered would involve the federal government partnering with major technology companies in an effort aimed at increasing testing capacity to at least 3 million tests a day, according to three people familiar with the plan. Some administration officials, however, cautioned that amount was unrealistic and said different types of testing would be strategically deployed.

A senior administration official said the White House is “close” to making an announcement on a plan.

Another idea that’s been discussed would use the Defense Production Act to rapidly scale up testing, according to one person familiar with the discussions, though officials played down the idea given that Trump has been resistant to more consistently deploying that presidential power since he would rather use the law as leverage to get companies to take such steps.

The push to ramp up testing reflects an acknowledgment by some of the president’s advisers that, despite his insistence that testing is working well, there are problems with access and that significantly increasing the number of tests per day will be critical if the economy is going to reopen. Trump said he will announce guidelines on Thursday for reopening the economy.

Just think what the result would have been if the administration did this say in early February, when Trump seemed to think his ban on some China travel would fix everything...

Trump assembled the Coronavirus Task Force in January.

Do you think the CDC, NIH etc sat on their hands and did nothing.

Early in February Pelosi et al were impeaching Trump. How apoplectic would you all have been if trump shut down the congress (because of a disease that still didn't have a footprint in the country) and sent Congress home to mitigate the spread of the disease

We've been locked down for more than 30 days and the virus still hasn't peaked in some places. What would we have gained locked down three weeks earlier. Three weeks more of isolation?

[runrussellrun]

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Whoa, what "rights" did you relinquish, red?
I haven't relinquished any at all.

I still have the right be an a-hole if I want and even to endanger others.
Might have to pay a fine if I do, but how many fines have actually been paid?

It's NOT reds list, dense boy.

but this: above. a-hole?

Let's be very clear, for once. Have you left your home, in the past three weeks? yes, or no. No obstificating, just yes or no

no, I've stayed in.

Of course I knew it wasn't red's list. I'm also betting that once he thinks about it, he hasn't given up any "rights" either.
Nope, he's choosing to not be able to enjoy lots of simple things we take for granted, but he's doing so to benefit those around him, both close and unknown.

wow, not even a stroll in the backyard with the family dog? Do you live near that many people, that you are afraid you breathing outside would endanger them? Speaking of dogs......or insects....or bats.......is v-19, "only", as AFAN claims, transmitted human to human? He is 100% positive, that HE knows how this is being transmitted. 100%.

What kind of food are you eating? Are you a prepper? How do you have that much food? How many people are you feeding.?

Amazing.

[runrussellrun]

Because at the time the Wuhan Virus was equivalent to the "Black Plague"——incredibly lethal

You're projecting.

The NBA made its own free market choice, something you're supposed to be behind. You're attaching a bunch of nonsense to that choice to bolster your own worldview.

NBA players tested positive. What you are trying to sell me is that if your kid was on an NBA team and had fellow teammates test positive for the virus...you'd want your kid and his virus-ridden teammates to keep right on playing.

I'm not buying what you're selling.

neither are we.

Answer the question. Can the NBA re-start their season. TODAY? yes, or no.

[a fan]

Think I will get sick... siting wikipedia

It put it all in one place. I checked the Colorado dates. That's accurate for Colorado.

Like I asked, the NBA just decided to cancel the season. No one advised them? Gave them the heads up? Of course they did.

So what? They made a free market choice, which destroys your notion that all this damage is government driven. It ain't.

Free market?

Yep.

How about now, can the NBA complete the season, if they decided to do that.? Yes or No.

Not in their home States, nope. But the free market NBA already showed you their intent by shutting down weeks BEFORE the government told them they couldn't play. You can't ignore that.

Wanna wager some money?

States will lift the sanctions in May, at the latest. Steak dinner says that the NBA won't start games in May.

You game?

[runrussellrun]

[

Even if you trust the accuracy of these numbers.....

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map


.......in the upper right hand corner, the number most of US read is: 26,708

Who knew 26,708 was more than 30K. Or, OVER, 30k

It is US, who are sick of you and your nonsense fear porn, on the fly numbers .

Stop making opinions, as if they are facts.

Number is currently over 30K (just checked). You have to refresh the page to get the current numbers. worldometer.info is almost 34K because it includes likely cases not tested in NYS.

Real number is maybe double - 60K or even 70K - due to our lack of testing and the fact that a lot of cases where you have an in-home death get missed in the confirmed count (which is what the jhu site includes only). But you can get a pretty accurate estimate of real numbers by looking at excess deaths over normal, and for at least 4 European countries confirmed cases are about half the total deaths including the excess ones.

How many times should I refresh ?

I am using the link I provided. Where are you seeing over 30K? worldmeter?

FLU deaths are ALSO claimed to be underreported.......so what's your point?
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Same page you were on:

Screenshot_2020-04-16 COVID-19 Map.png
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bizarre, still not seeing it. I don't doubt your claim though. At least you back your claim up.

Undercounted, over counted.........bottom line, the professional community has been given the money, for decades, to get this turd right. They STILL need more money to get it right. THEY....are 100% to blame for this nonsense.

[Brooklyn]

Relinquishing rights?

Well let's see how the Plague was handled in 1918:


"When a flu outbreak at a nearby military barracks first spread into the St. Louis civilian population, {health commissioner Dr Max} Starkloff wasted no time closing the schools, shuttering movie theaters and pool halls, and banning all public gatherings. There was pushback from business owners, but Starkloff and the mayor held their ground. When infections swelled as expected, thousands of sick residents were treated at home by a network of volunteer nurses.

Dehner says that because of these precautions, St. Louis public health officials were able to “flatten the curve” and keep the flu epidemic from exploding overnight as it did in Philadelphia.''


https://www.history.com/news/spanish-fl ... nse-cities




How people protected themselves from Plague:


https://www.history.com/news/flu-masks- ... -515581890


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In the 1918 flu pandemic, not wearing a mask was illegal in some parts of America. What changed?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/americas ... index.html






police officer wears mask:








Contrary to the many lies and distortions of delusionals on the far right, the government can compel people to wear masks in order to prevent the spread of contagion. This is not diminishing your rights, on the contrary it is intended to protect people's rights to be free from contagion. Thus, with this legal precedent, the Michigan Tea Baggers have no business protesting against the actions of that state's governor nor does anyone else have any illusory claim against the governors or mayors or health department directors.