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Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 11:15 am
by Farfromgeneva
sguy9 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:27 am
History tells us these guys don’t get a lot of second chances.
Stagnitta, Haus, etc
Not great examples.
Stagnitta chose to go pro
Haus chose to go DIII
Haus chose d3 because he didn’t have options. There a million others. Think Svec gets another HC shot? Morrissey? Guy & Marc Van arsdale? There’s a bias towards the unknown upside potential for all but the top 10 jobs at any given time.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 11:25 am
by sguy9
Haus chose d3 because he didn’t have options. There a million others. Think Svec gets another HC shot? Morrissey? Guy & Marc Van arsdale? There’s a bias towards the unknown upside potential for all but the top 10 jobs at any given time.
Maybe, maybe not. Guy has a good job, although he is failing miserably at it.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 11:35 am
by redfoxalum
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 10:30 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 10:22 am
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:05 am
jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 am
Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
Yeah he should never deserve another head coaching spot again. He could never have possibly learned from that experience or grown even a little given his advanced age.
Have you dealt with him personally?
I was being sarcastic. Yes I have. He’s a good man, a safe option. I agree that he is not likely the top candidate of the 4 listed, nor should he be. But he is a viable candidate.
I just find it odd that so few lacrosse coaches remain in coaching after getting very far and then getting fired. In most other sports those coaches are still considered very good coaches and usually get other chances.
Some guys only want to coach college. But in some cases this likely has to do with those higher profile coaches having more lucrative and stable options elsewhere in the athletics world, i.e. Chris Bates at Episcopal/PLL, Andrew Copelan at Greenwich Country Day/PLL, Dave Cottle at Legendary Sports Group. There is a small number of college HC jobs where there would be mutual interest between institution and fired high profile coach.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 11:44 am
by Farfromgeneva
sguy9 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 11:25 am
Haus chose d3 because he didn’t have options. There a million others. Think Svec gets another HC shot? Morrissey? Guy & Marc Van arsdale? There’s a bias towards the unknown upside potential for all but the top 10 jobs at any given time.
Maybe, maybe not. Guy has a good job, although he is failing miserably at it.
Come on use your thinking cap. UNC to Lebanon Valley?
Guy shouldn’t be an HC in college. Not all should. Basti?
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 11:48 am
by Farfromgeneva
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 10:30 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 10:22 am
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:05 am
jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 am
Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
Yeah he should never deserve another head coaching spot again. He could never have possibly learned from that experience or grown even a little given his advanced age.
Have you dealt with him personally?
I was being sarcastic. Yes I have. He’s a good man, a safe option. I agree that he is not likely the top candidate of the 4 listed, nor should he be. But he is a viable candidate.
I just find it odd that so few lacrosse coaches remain in coaching after getting very far and then getting fired. In most other sports those coaches are still considered very good coaches and usually get other chances.
I think this is more pervasive in non revenue sports where the economics and opportunity to feast on parental schadenfreude/egos make the opportunity cost of chasing another hit or miss D1 gig lower vs alternatives.
Liam Banks and Cabell Maddux did quite well working parents of 7-16yrs olds over for two decades.
(In fairness I’ve been told by many LB3 was very good until it was sold and now it’s a joke down here in Georgia)
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 11:52 am
by Farfromgeneva
redfoxalum wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 11:35 am
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 10:30 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 10:22 am
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:05 am
jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 am
Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
Yeah he should never deserve another head coaching spot again. He could never have possibly learned from that experience or grown even a little given his advanced age.
Have you dealt with him personally?
I was being sarcastic. Yes I have. He’s a good man, a safe option. I agree that he is not likely the top candidate of the 4 listed, nor should he be. But he is a viable candidate.
I just find it odd that so few lacrosse coaches remain in coaching after getting very far and then getting fired. In most other sports those coaches are still considered very good coaches and usually get other chances.
Some guys only want to coach college. But in some cases this likely has to do with those higher profile coaches having more lucrative and stable options elsewhere in the athletics world, i.e. Chris Bates at Episcopal/PLL, Andrew Copelan at Greenwich Country Day/PLL, Dave Cottle at Legendary Sports Group. There is a small number of college HC jobs where there would be mutual interest between institution and fired high profile coach.
I said about the same thing before seeing this but true to different degrees for those three. Copelan is least attractive of those three. Bares is tougher with internal BOT general counsel and Cottle flat out doesn’t need to deal with it at this point.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 12:35 pm
by River Donkey
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 10:30 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 10:22 am
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:05 am
jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 am
Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
Yeah he should never deserve another head coaching spot again. He could never have possibly learned from that experience or grown even a little given his advanced age.
Have you dealt with him personally?
I was being sarcastic. Yes I have. He’s a good man, a safe option. I agree that he is not likely the top candidate of the 4 listed, nor should he be. But he is a viable candidate.
I just find it odd that so few lacrosse coaches remain in coaching after getting very far and then getting fired. In most other sports those coaches are still considered very good coaches and usually get other chances.
Only in lacrosse where most coaches are considered in their prime in their 40’s, in lacrosse they are considered old and disposable. I’m told it’s one of the main reasons the sport doesn’t get respect in the southeast and will always be considered a “B” sport.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 1:00 pm
by AreaLax
Per IL
https://twitter.com/terencefoy/status/1 ... gj4yBgJaDg
Mike Murphy will not return as a member of @PennStateMLAX staff next season, multiple sources tell @Inside_Lacrosse.
Murphy replaced Peter Toner last summer after Toner was named @gburgbullets head coach.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 2:09 pm
by jrn19
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:05 am
jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 am
Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
Yeah he should never deserve another head coaching spot again. He could never have possibly learned from that experience or grown even a little given his advanced age.
Where did I say that?
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 4:09 pm
by youthathletics
River Donkey wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 12:35 pm
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 10:30 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 10:22 am
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 9:05 am
jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 am
Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
Yeah he should never deserve another head coaching spot again. He could never have possibly learned from that experience or grown even a little given his advanced age.
Have you dealt with him personally?
I was being sarcastic. Yes I have. He’s a good man, a safe option. I agree that he is not likely the top candidate of the 4 listed, nor should he be. But he is a viable candidate.
I just find it odd that so few lacrosse coaches remain in coaching after getting very far and then getting fired. In most other sports those coaches are still considered very good coaches and usually get other chances.
Only in lacrosse where most coaches are considered in their prime in their 40’s, in lacrosse they are considered old and disposable. I’m told it’s one of the main reasons the sport doesn’t get respect in the southeast and will always be considered a “B” sport.
Some good ole' fashion truth in that and for a reason. The sticks in the mud, tend to want to coach the way they where coached or brought up. Slow paced, far too methodical, throw the lumber, orchestrated sets where everyone has to be in a certain spot. Coaches like Kirwan, Daly years ago, Benson, Coon, Phipps, Buczek, Seremet. Head coaches that listen and trust their assistants, thrive.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 11:44 pm
by oldskoollax
Penn State should hire Craig Chick, UMBC, as their D-coordinator. Chick is a bright young coach that guys love to play for. Current PLL player with Atlas which is a bonus for recruiting. He also holds the NCAA record for caused turnovers.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 4:46 am
by AreaLax
oldskoollax wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 11:44 pm
Penn State should hire Craig Chick, UMBC, as their D-coordinator. Chick is a bright young coach that guys love to play for. Current PLL player with Atlas which is a bonus for recruiting. He also holds the NCAA record for caused turnovers.
Side note PSU other assistant just announced his retirement from the PLL. Wondering if he taking on more responsibility in his role.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 6:11 am
by Asgot
Not sure why any of these D1 schools don’t look at D3 offensive coordinators for their OC jobs. Many of them have very creative and fun Offense’s. (CNU, RIT, Tufts) I think some of their offensive ideas matched up with the size and talent of the D1 players would be fun to watch.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 6:36 am
by InsiderRoll
Asgot wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 6:11 am
Not sure why any of these D1 schools don’t look at D3 offensive coordinators for their OC jobs. Many of them have very creative and fun Offense’s. (CNU, RIT, Tufts) I think some of their offensive ideas matched up with the size and talent of the D1 players would be fun to watch.
Getting to the top of D1 is very difficult. Many of those coaches are forced to take volunteer jobs or move to low D1 first. Many of the current D1 coaches got their start in D3.making the jump from D3 to the B1G or ACC without that type of experience would be a bit of a stretch. That level of D1 tends to have far better game planners and tacticians than D3. Kirwan is the only guy that comes to mind that did it all with relative ease. However there is this weird stigma in lacrosse that great players make great coaches and that PLL guys are great fits.
The PLL is only going to keep growing. If the salaries continue to rise, so to will the time commitment. It’s hard to be a great recruiter if you aren’t on the road enough to evaluate and know who to recruit. Someone mentioned Chick, to this point in his career he has basically 0 coaching accomplishments. Why would Penn State be interested in him?
I’m sure they’ll want to take another crack at Paul Richard’s (if they can afford him). Probably doesn’t happen.
Guys they may try and take a run at. Richards, Ikeda, Shriver (not sure who would coach the D), Kyle Turri. I’m not sure that any of the first 3 guys would even have an interest. Tambroni will not hire a D3 guy, he’s likely under a lot pressure from the AD to make a good hire, if it’s supported with $ he’ll try and make a splash hire.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 6:45 am
by Farfromgeneva
Personally I feel like Jeremy Hirsch did a far better job as D coordinator than Kyle Turri at Bart. Turris main accomplishment was one year in binghamton w Waldron.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 7:36 am
by FlyEaglesFly
Pretty sure Tambroni tried to hire Tucker Durkin last time around as well. Might be harder to make a splash hire this time, knowing you could be let go in a year if it doesn’t work out.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 7:49 am
by backerzone
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 6:36 am
Asgot wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 6:11 am
Guys they may try and take a run at. Richards, Ikeda, Shriver (not sure who would coach the D), Kyle Turri. I’m not sure that any of the first 3 guys would even have an interest. Tambroni will not hire a D3 guy, he’s likely under a lot pressure from the AD to make a good hire, if it’s supported with $ he’ll try and make a splash hire.
I highly doubt the Penn State AD is giving pressure on lacrosse for anything- he's been there a month or so and is no doubt swallowed up in the upcoming football machine- which runs everything else there.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 10:59 am
by Dux917
Have to think you'll see some of these openings start to get filled up quickly after todays game. Maybe it shows that at least Providence is waiting on Benson to finish his season.
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 11:15 pm
by oldskoollax
InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 6:36 am
Asgot wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 6:11 am
Not sure why any of these D1 schools don’t look at D3 offensive coordinators for their OC jobs. Many of them have very creative and fun Offense’s. (CNU, RIT, Tufts) I think some of their offensive ideas matched up with the size and talent of the D1 players would be fun to watch.
Getting to the top of D1 is very difficult. Many of those coaches are forced to take volunteer jobs or move to low D1 first. Many of the current D1 coaches got their start in D3.making the jump from D3 to the B1G or ACC without that type of experience would be a bit of a stretch. That level of D1 tends to have far better game planners and tacticians than D3. Kirwan is the only guy that comes to mind that did it all with relative ease. However there is this weird stigma in lacrosse that great players make great coaches and that PLL guys are great fits.
The PLL is only going to keep growing. If the salaries continue to rise, so to will the time commitment. It’s hard to be a great recruiter if you aren’t on the road enough to evaluate and know who to recruit. Someone mentioned Chick, to this point in his career he has basically 0 coaching accomplishments. Why would Penn State be interested in him?
I’m sure they’ll want to take another crack at Paul Richard’s (if they can afford him). Probably doesn’t happen.
Guys they may try and take a run at. Richards, Ikeda, Shriver (not sure who would coach the D), Kyle Turri. I’m not sure that any of the first 3 guys would even have an interest. Tambroni will not hire a D3 guy, he’s likely under a lot pressure from the AD to make a good hire, if it’s supported with $ he’ll try and make a splash hire.
UMBC was rank #5 in man-down defense, #9 in scoring defense.
Penn St #54 and #58 respectively
That might peak some interest???
Re: Coaching Carousel-2022
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 11:47 pm
by Wheels
If Benson isn't named HC at PC in the next few days, it'd be surprising.