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jerseyjames
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My money is on Benson, wife is an alum with a great job, I think there would be some strings pulled to get the fam all back together. As for St. Johns Kelleher just has to using that for leverage with Manhattan one would think...
Backinshape
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I wouldn't consider it leverage in Kelleher's position. I am pretty sure St. Johns would be offering a salary twice what Manhattan could offer- and the budget for assistants is probably more than double.
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Old&InTheWay wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 3:49 pm I think Stan is dong well at a Florida HS.
Thanks. He’s a good coach.
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jerseyjames wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 4:12 pm My money is on Benson, wife is an alum with a great job, I think there would be some strings pulled to get the fam all back together. As for St. Johns Kelleher just has to using that for leverage with Manhattan one would think...
Something like unlimited food for life in Federal Hill type of string pulling?
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
InsiderRoll
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Backinshape wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 9:21 pm I wouldn't consider it leverage in Kelleher's position. I am pretty sure St. Johns would be offering a salary twice what Manhattan could offer- and the budget for assistants is probably more than double.
Double? Manhattan certainly isn’t the cream of the crop job wise, but I’m sure he makes $90k at least (mostly given the cost of living). I seriously doubt that St. John’s is in the $180-200k range. $120-140k seems more realistic.
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gymman1031 wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 8:44 am
Dux917 wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 8:19 am
jrn19 wrote: Sun May 22, 2022 8:53 pm The word has been Kirwan or Benson for Providence. Guess with Kirwan available we’ll find out if that’s for real.
Either of them seems great - good scoop. Both offensive guys, after the previous Providence staff definitely favored a more defensive style - a change in style seems warranted. As stated in other above posts, talking to Phipps does make a lot of sense too, not just from the already being in the Big East angle, but also being an integral part of the Georgetown resurgence or program building the last few years.

I guess we'll see....Have to think they want to get the next coach in place soon.
I can't think of many better examples in lacrosse history of an assistant coach hire making such a huge, positive difference as Phipps getting hired at G-Town.
Agree he would’ve been a strong candidate and sensical fit. Perhaps they did reach out and he just doesn’t have an interest.
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PC looking at Wojcik is interesting given his lack of success only 50 miles north of Pvd, with several top-10 rated recruiting classes (yes... I know ratings =/= reality...)
He made ncaa, twice? One-and-done.

Tangental ancient non-lax history about waiting on a playoff coach: many many many years ago the NE Patriots were shopping for a HC, looking at the Super Bowl contenders, IIRC Jets & Colts. Pat's "brain trust" narrowed it to 2 assistant coaches, one on each team. Decided to offer the job to the winner's AC. IIRC, Mike Holovak. Not sure it was him, but I AM sure who the other AC considered was: Chuck Noll, who then got offered the HC job by the Steelers. And the rest... is history.
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Typical Pats fan bemoaning not winning EVERY year… :)

FTR I’m a diehard Bears fan so perpetually quarterback adjacent but but I liked some of those mid-late 80s pats teams including the one my boys shuffled and mumble rapped all over to be the greatest single season team of all time. Particular fan of Andrew Tippett.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 8:13 am Typical Pats fan bemoaning not winning EVERY year… :)

FTR I’m a diehard Bears fan so perpetually quarterback adjacent but but I liked some of those mid-late 80s pats teams including the one my boys shuffled and mumble rapped all over to be the greatest single season team of all time. Particular fan of Andrew Tippett.
👍🏻 That Bears team should've won more, but in a conference w that era's Giants & 'Niners, very tough.
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jrn19 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 am Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
Yeah he should never deserve another head coaching spot again. He could never have possibly learned from that experience or grown even a little given his advanced age.
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Yeah he should never deserve another head coaching spot again. He could never have possibly learned from that experience or grown even a little given his advanced age.
Well played...

Wojic will absolutely be a Head Coach again. He has experience at a few of the top programs in the country and is an Ivy alum. Some AD will give him a shot and be very happy with the hire.
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bearlaxfan wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 9:04 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 8:13 am Typical Pats fan bemoaning not winning EVERY year… :)

FTR I’m a diehard Bears fan so perpetually quarterback adjacent but but I liked some of those mid-late 80s pats teams including the one my boys shuffled and mumble rapped all over to be the greatest single season team of all time. Particular fan of Andrew Tippett.
👍🏻 That Bears team should've won more, but in a conference w that era's Giants & 'Niners, very tough.
And Redskins..er, Washington football club
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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InsiderRoll wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 9:05 am
jrn19 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 am Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
Yeah he should never deserve another head coaching spot again. He could never have possibly learned from that experience or grown even a little given his advanced age.
History tells us these guys don’t get a lot of second chances.

Stagnitta, Haus, etc
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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History tells us these guys don’t get a lot of second chances.

Stagnitta, Haus, etc
Not great examples.

Stagnitta chose to go pro

Haus chose to go DIII
Typical Lax Dad
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InsiderRoll wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 9:05 am
jrn19 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 am Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
Yeah he should never deserve another head coaching spot again. He could never have possibly learned from that experience or grown even a little given his advanced age.
Have you dealt with him personally?
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sguy9 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 9:27 am
History tells us these guys don’t get a lot of second chances.

Stagnitta, Haus, etc
Not great examples.

Stagnitta chose to go pro

Haus chose to go DIII
Chose to go pro/D3 or didn’t have any D1 options…
InsiderRoll
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 10:22 am
InsiderRoll wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 9:05 am
jrn19 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 am Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
Yeah he should never deserve another head coaching spot again. He could never have possibly learned from that experience or grown even a little given his advanced age.
Have you dealt with him personally?
I was being sarcastic. Yes I have. He’s a good man, a safe option. I agree that he is not likely the top candidate of the 4 listed, nor should he be. But he is a viable candidate.

I just find it odd that so few lacrosse coaches remain in coaching after getting very far and then getting fired. In most other sports those coaches are still considered very good coaches and usually get other chances.
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InsiderRoll wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 10:30 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 10:22 am
InsiderRoll wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 9:05 am
jrn19 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 am Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
Yeah he should never deserve another head coaching spot again. He could never have possibly learned from that experience or grown even a little given his advanced age.
Have you dealt with him personally?
I was being sarcastic. Yes I have. He’s a good man, a safe option. I agree that he is not likely the top candidate of the 4 listed, nor should he be. But he is a viable candidate.

I just find it odd that so few lacrosse coaches remain in coaching after getting very far and then getting fired. In most other sports those coaches are still considered very good coaches and usually get other chances.

Just wondering. Of the candidates listed, he seems like he would have just as good a shot as any and, depending on what the AD Is looking for, could have a better shot than a couple of them. Maybe a high powered prep school may be interested. Some guys have taken that track.
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jrn19 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 8:52 am Wojcik made the tournament once; lost in Round 1. He only made the Ivy League tournament 3x in 9 years.
He is the only one of the candidates listed that had NCAA head coaching experience, that separates him from the others. Have to believe he has learned some new things at ND. I'm sure the ND experience was good for him, also to get some non-Ivy experience (I know he was at Bowdoin for a bit early too).

Still may not be the top candidate - but does seem to have a lot to offer
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