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[JoeMauer89]

That Biden staff really screwed up. They didn’t interrupt Biden to avoid him saying something that would need explanation, they strategically interrupted Johnson so there’d be no questioning re: protecting Biden. But it didn’t work. They were caught.

It is really a yuge disgrace. That Biden guy with his notecards and sticking to the script and message.

Makes me really miss the guy who could sling hour upon hour of lies and rando BS. Who didn't need notecards to talk about how big his hands/button/johnson are. And who watched like 10 hours of TV a day while president. Yup -- the good old days.

Over/under on whether you will still be bitching about DJT if/when we have a new president that's not him in Jan 2025? I'll take the OVER, by a large margin.

Joe

That's not it. He's not "bitching about Trump", my man.

He's making fun of people who let it all go when Trump was in power, and didn't say a word..... and are now hilariously nitpicking Biden.

So the Trump White House goes 300+ days without a press briefing----Republicans don't care. Biden leaves an event without taking questions?

Oh, clutch pearls! Biden can't do that!!!

The moral of the story is: either hold our President to account....or don't. Pick one.

Who are all those "people"? The same ones who refuse to call out Biden for anything, but did so regarding everything Trump did/said? Works both ways my friend, it's not the world against Joe Biden...

Joe

I think you're actually missing the difference, Joe.

The magnitude of issues with Trump's behavior and character, was/is at least an order of magnitude greater than any mentioned with Biden, arguably multiple orders of magnitude! Taking issue with these of Trump was primarily because they actually had a significant impact on the country and its citizens, as well as the world for that matter. As in Obama's 'tan suit', Biden's seem far more wishful thinking by those who simply want to combat Democrats and their policies.

Which isn't to say that hypocrisy can't go both ways. And it does at times.
But the penny-ante types of criticisms of Biden from Trump supporters takes it to a new level.

This is a load of bullcrap. Were comparing two different types of criticisms. You still have your health, wealth, and I presume happiness thankfully. Trump didn't take any of that away from you. Stop acting as if he made your life that much harder to live.

Joe

[JoeMauer89]

Wonder what is going on here....https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/ ... 81091?s=20

Right in the middle of Boris Johnson speaking, White House staff cuts him off and dismisses the press. Weird.

And this is how Peppermint Patty brushes it aside when asked about it. They certainty are protecting Joe....as much as they possibly can, if you can not see this, its b/c you simply do not want to see it. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -Oval.html

Interrupting a world leader when he's speaking is inexcusable, unless there's some emergency we don't know about....

They can "protect" Biden without doing that.

You're not going to be able to tell if they're "protecting" Biden, my man. Every admin keeps Presidents away from hard questions, and tries to massage the message.

That Biden staff really screwed up. They didn’t interrupt Biden to avoid him saying something that would need explanation, they strategically interrupted Johnson so there’d be no questioning re: protecting Biden. But it didn’t work. They were caught.

(Written in a sarcasm font that was as strong as I could find, along with a massive eye roll emoji.)

Can you share your thoughts (non-sarcastic please) on why the WH Press Staff would have interrupted Boris, then immediately dismissed the entire press, all while BIden sat there motionless and said nothing.

Well being motionless and saying nothing is when Biden is most effective.

You should try it!

That would take away from my mission in life of being a huge pain in your ass. I'm getting pretty good at it if i do say say so myself. The thinner the skin the easier it is to get under it. Your skin right now is like rice paper.

You ever had rice paper wrapped shrimp or spring rolls? Or is that only for effete college edjucated jackoffs like me? Because they are great.

I should've added a smile or other overused emoji here as it was intended as a lighter jab than the uppercuts I've thrown in parts of the recent past. Keep in mind I've said some nice things about you here as well.

I love rice paper paper spring rolls with shrimp. When they are fried all the magic goes away. You do know that with all of our disagreements i respect you for what you have overcome. I'm just envious by best friend was not as fortunate. He tried so hard and his body just finally gave out on him. I hope you have gratitude for what you overcame? I miss my friend everyday and sometimes still i am so angry at him for all of the people he hurt. I spent 10 years standing by his side whenever he needed me and that was never enough. Love your kids and remember you have been given a gift.

Fried spring and egg rolls blow. Plus I like dipping in peanut sauce.

Gratitude is a big book thing, after my experience I'm "white knuckling it" while surveying everything and learning where and when I can for my own development. SMART isn't bad either. Rocky start after my sabbatical but good the last month or so. Presence with my kids being more than physical which had deteriorated to but I could justify with so many that physically dont' show up or do things with their kids, but I realized being tired and so distracted by everything else meant I wasn't really "present". I'm grateful for getting back to that while they are still young.

It all good. I did want to hold you accountable for blowing up over and over to MD and then doing that to me on a much more personal level but I pounded that trade hard and have moved on.

Check out some of the stuff I dropped today on addiciton and congitive behavior and if you have anyone else close it'll help you help them more I think.

It may not make sense to you but sometimes i am so angry at you. When i read your words you remind me so much of my best friend. He was so smart, so talented and such a good person. He spent a lot of time in rehabs trying to get his chit together. I went to a number of the meetings he went to in rehab to support him. He pisses me off because he was too smart too fail. The last time i saw him he showed up at my back door all whacked out thinking people were following him. I yelled at him saying something like What the heck is wrong with you? He had had destroyed every second, third, fourth chance etc etc he had been given. I saw that movie a long time ago with Nicholas Cage called Leaving Las Vegas. I could not watch the whole movie. i had already seen it before in real life. Watching someone you love give up on themselves is something you never get over.

That's the mental health part people need to understand. It's not substance use in isolation. I'm in much better shape but i'm not doing it for myself. Keep in mind I'm holding together a family w a wife more messed up than I am and, unfortuantely i have to admit finally, is abusive to our kids and myself. Fighting wars on all fronts. Can only pick one or two at a time. No idea about your buddies situation but you can't look at this in isolation but a more wholistic view (or don't judge at all).

FFG,

I may give you a hard time, but I do respect what you've been through and what you are continuing to do about it. Battling addiction and raising a family cannot be easy. So know that even I may come across as a jerk to you, in its the spirit of the nature of debate. Much respect to you in that regard, can't be easy.

Joe

[kramerica.inc]

That Biden staff really screwed up. They didn’t interrupt Biden to avoid him saying something that would need explanation, they strategically interrupted Johnson so there’d be no questioning re: protecting Biden. But it didn’t work. They were caught.

It is really a yuge disgrace. That Biden guy with his notecards and sticking to the script and message.

Makes me really miss the guy who could sling hour upon hour of lies and rando BS. Who didn't need notecards to talk about how big his hands/button/johnson are. And who watched like 10 hours of TV a day while president. Yup -- the good old days.

Over/under on whether you will still be bitching about DJT if/when we have a new president that's not him in Jan 2025? I'll take the OVER, by a large margin.

Joe

That's not it. He's not "bitching about Trump", my man.

He's making fun of people who let it all go when Trump was in power, and didn't say a word..... and are now hilariously nitpicking Biden.

So the Trump White House goes 300+ days without a press briefing----Republicans don't care. Biden leaves an event without taking questions?

Oh, clutch pearls! Biden can't do that!!!

The moral of the story is: either hold our President to account....or don't. Pick one.

Who are all those "people"? The same ones who refuse to call out Biden for anything, but did so regarding everything Trump did/said? Works both ways my friend, it's not the world against Joe Biden...

Joe

Remember the same outrage for everything Kayleigh McEnany, Sarah Sanders, Steph Grisham and Sean Spicer did (or didn't do)?

Seriously?
Are you seriously saying that the levels of flat out lies by those press secretaries is remotely comparable to the actually quite competent professionalism of the current press secretary...or for that matter any under Bush or Obama?

And then the radio silence, refusal to even have press meetings, by some of them...the actual job of the press secretary was remotely ok?

Come on.

Press transparency at the border and immigration policy?
GOP Defunded police?
Biden's dog bites?

All truthful and trustworthy.



And Psaki never dodges questions...

https://news.yahoo.com/psaki-why-migran ... 52876.html

"Why do you need this information?"

[cradleandshoot]

That Biden staff really screwed up. They didn’t interrupt Biden to avoid him saying something that would need explanation, they strategically interrupted Johnson so there’d be no questioning re: protecting Biden. But it didn’t work. They were caught.

It is really a yuge disgrace. That Biden guy with his notecards and sticking to the script and message.

Makes me really miss the guy who could sling hour upon hour of lies and rando BS. Who didn't need notecards to talk about how big his hands/button/johnson are. And who watched like 10 hours of TV a day while president. Yup -- the good old days.

Over/under on whether you will still be bitching about DJT if/when we have a new president that's not him in Jan 2025? I'll take the OVER, by a large margin.

Joe

That's not it. He's not "bitching about Trump", my man.

He's making fun of people who let it all go when Trump was in power, and didn't say a word..... and are now hilariously nitpicking Biden.

So the Trump White House goes 300+ days without a press briefing----Republicans don't care. Biden leaves an event without taking questions?

Oh, clutch pearls! Biden can't do that!!!

The moral of the story is: either hold our President to account....or don't. Pick one.

Who are all those "people"? The same ones who refuse to call out Biden for anything, but did so regarding everything Trump did/said? Works both ways my friend, it's not the world against Joe Biden...

Joe

Remember the same outrage for everything Kayleigh McEnany, Sarah Sanders, Steph Grisham and Sean Spicer did (or didn't do)?

Seriously?
Are you seriously saying that the levels of flat out lies by those press secretaries is remotely comparable to the actually quite competent professionalism of the current press secretary...or for that matter any under Bush or Obama?

And then the radio silence, refusal to even have press meetings, by some of them...the actual job of the press secretary was remotely ok?

Come on.

Press transparency at the border and immigration policy?
GOP Defunded police?
Biden's dog bites?

All truthful and trustworthy.



And Psaki never dodges questions...

https://news.yahoo.com/psaki-why-migran ... 52876.html

"Why do you need this information?"

It looks like from my perspective Ms Sake is trying to put lipstick on a pig

[a fan]

That Biden staff really screwed up. They didn’t interrupt Biden to avoid him saying something that would need explanation, they strategically interrupted Johnson so there’d be no questioning re: protecting Biden. But it didn’t work. They were caught.

It is really a yuge disgrace. That Biden guy with his notecards and sticking to the script and message.

Makes me really miss the guy who could sling hour upon hour of lies and rando BS. Who didn't need notecards to talk about how big his hands/button/johnson are. And who watched like 10 hours of TV a day while president. Yup -- the good old days.

Over/under on whether you will still be bitching about DJT if/when we have a new president that's not him in Jan 2025? I'll take the OVER, by a large margin.

Joe

That's not it. He's not "bitching about Trump", my man.

He's making fun of people who let it all go when Trump was in power, and didn't say a word..... and are now hilariously nitpicking Biden.

So the Trump White House goes 300+ days without a press briefing----Republicans don't care. Biden leaves an event without taking questions?

Oh, clutch pearls! Biden can't do that!!!

The moral of the story is: either hold our President to account....or don't. Pick one.

Who are all those "people"? The same ones who refuse to call out Biden for anything, but did so regarding everything Trump did/said? Works both ways my friend, it's not the world against Joe Biden...

Joe

Remember the same outrage for everything Kayleigh McEnany, Sarah Sanders, Steph Grisham and Sean Spicer did (or didn't do)?

+1

Joe

Case in point, thank you!

And if I use the Forum search function, and search for the words "Kayleigh McEnany, Sarah Sanders, Steph Grisham and Sean Spicer" together with "Kramerica and JoeMauer" .......will I find your criticism?

No? Well, then you have no standing here, fellas. So as I said: either hold the President (and their crew) or don't. Pick one.

You can't pick both, sorry.

[Typical Lax Dad]

That Biden staff really screwed up. They didn’t interrupt Biden to avoid him saying something that would need explanation, they strategically interrupted Johnson so there’d be no questioning re: protecting Biden. But it didn’t work. They were caught.

It is really a yuge disgrace. That Biden guy with his notecards and sticking to the script and message.

Makes me really miss the guy who could sling hour upon hour of lies and rando BS. Who didn't need notecards to talk about how big his hands/button/johnson are. And who watched like 10 hours of TV a day while president. Yup -- the good old days.

Over/under on whether you will still be bitching about DJT if/when we have a new president that's not him in Jan 2025? I'll take the OVER, by a large margin.

Joe

That's not it. He's not "bitching about Trump", my man.

He's making fun of people who let it all go when Trump was in power, and didn't say a word..... and are now hilariously nitpicking Biden.

So the Trump White House goes 300+ days without a press briefing----Republicans don't care. Biden leaves an event without taking questions?

Oh, clutch pearls! Biden can't do that!!!

The moral of the story is: either hold our President to account....or don't. Pick one.

Who are all those "people"? The same ones who refuse to call out Biden for anything, but did so regarding everything Trump did/said? Works both ways my friend, it's not the world against Joe Biden...

Joe

Remember the same outrage for everything Kayleigh McEnany, Sarah Sanders, Steph Grisham and Sean Spicer did (or didn't do)?

+1

Joe

Case in point, thank you!

And if I use the Forum search function, and search for the words "Kayleigh McEnany, Sarah Sanders, Steph Grisham and Sean Spicer" together with "Kramerica and JoeMauer" .......will I find your criticism?

No? Well, then you have no standing here, fellas. So as I said: either hold the President (and their crew) or don't. Pick one.

You can't pick both, sorry.

Add OS and YA to that search.

[Farfromgeneva]

Wonder what is going on here....https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/ ... 81091?s=20

Right in the middle of Boris Johnson speaking, White House staff cuts him off and dismisses the press. Weird.

And this is how Peppermint Patty brushes it aside when asked about it. They certainty are protecting Joe....as much as they possibly can, if you can not see this, its b/c you simply do not want to see it. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -Oval.html

Interrupting a world leader when he's speaking is inexcusable, unless there's some emergency we don't know about....

They can "protect" Biden without doing that.

You're not going to be able to tell if they're "protecting" Biden, my man. Every admin keeps Presidents away from hard questions, and tries to massage the message.

That Biden staff really screwed up. They didn’t interrupt Biden to avoid him saying something that would need explanation, they strategically interrupted Johnson so there’d be no questioning re: protecting Biden. But it didn’t work. They were caught.

(Written in a sarcasm font that was as strong as I could find, along with a massive eye roll emoji.)

Can you share your thoughts (non-sarcastic please) on why the WH Press Staff would have interrupted Boris, then immediately dismissed the entire press, all while BIden sat there motionless and said nothing.

Well being motionless and saying nothing is when Biden is most effective.

You should try it!

That would take away from my mission in life of being a huge pain in your ass. I'm getting pretty good at it if i do say say so myself. The thinner the skin the easier it is to get under it. Your skin right now is like rice paper.

You ever had rice paper wrapped shrimp or spring rolls? Or is that only for effete college edjucated jackoffs like me? Because they are great.

I should've added a smile or other overused emoji here as it was intended as a lighter jab than the uppercuts I've thrown in parts of the recent past. Keep in mind I've said some nice things about you here as well.

I love rice paper paper spring rolls with shrimp. When they are fried all the magic goes away. You do know that with all of our disagreements i respect you for what you have overcome. I'm just envious by best friend was not as fortunate. He tried so hard and his body just finally gave out on him. I hope you have gratitude for what you overcame? I miss my friend everyday and sometimes still i am so angry at him for all of the people he hurt. I spent 10 years standing by his side whenever he needed me and that was never enough. Love your kids and remember you have been given a gift.

Fried spring and egg rolls blow. Plus I like dipping in peanut sauce.

Gratitude is a big book thing, after my experience I'm "white knuckling it" while surveying everything and learning where and when I can for my own development. SMART isn't bad either. Rocky start after my sabbatical but good the last month or so. Presence with my kids being more than physical which had deteriorated to but I could justify with so many that physically dont' show up or do things with their kids, but I realized being tired and so distracted by everything else meant I wasn't really "present". I'm grateful for getting back to that while they are still young.

It all good. I did want to hold you accountable for blowing up over and over to MD and then doing that to me on a much more personal level but I pounded that trade hard and have moved on.

Check out some of the stuff I dropped today on addiciton and congitive behavior and if you have anyone else close it'll help you help them more I think.

It may not make sense to you but sometimes i am so angry at you. When i read your words you remind me so much of my best friend. He was so smart, so talented and such a good person. He spent a lot of time in rehabs trying to get his chit together. I went to a number of the meetings he went to in rehab to support him. He pisses me off because he was too smart too fail. The last time i saw him he showed up at my back door all whacked out thinking people were following him. I yelled at him saying something like What the heck is wrong with you? He had had destroyed every second, third, fourth chance etc etc he had been given. I saw that movie a long time ago with Nicholas Cage called Leaving Las Vegas. I could not watch the whole movie. i had already seen it before in real life. Watching someone you love give up on themselves is something you never get over.

That's the mental health part people need to understand. It's not substance use in isolation. I'm in much better shape but i'm not doing it for myself. Keep in mind I'm holding together a family w a wife more messed up than I am and, unfortuantely i have to admit finally, is abusive to our kids and myself. Fighting wars on all fronts. Can only pick one or two at a time. No idea about your buddies situation but you can't look at this in isolation but a more wholistic view (or don't judge at all).

FFG,

I may give you a hard time, but I do respect what you've been through and what you are continuing to do about it. Battling addiction and raising a family cannot be easy. So know that even I may come across as a jerk to you, in its the spirit of the nature of debate. Much respect to you in that regard, can't be easy.

Joe

Isnt intended to be a pity party or anything. Want to honor my efforts take what I've shared to heart (here and on the models of addiciton from this am) and absorb that and help with anyone you care about who goes through struggles. It's true a person can't help anyone else until they help themselves, I thought that was a nicety or silly greeting card axiom for a long time while taking care of everyone else but I was wrong. That being said I'm doing this for my kids, not me. Ship sailed by the time your my age with respect to intergenerational baggage and more than a decade into a mistake of a marriage. If this and being a finance bro can be a decent contribution here for others take it and use it to help someone else.

It's cathartic for me to share, figure some Bulgarian 14yr old could already hold my life hostage, I doubt my security in the prior 10-15yrs on data has been nearly tight enough and those cats are better than the systems designed to prevent them from doing them (kind of like the TSA, it's just expensive kabuki theater and civil liability/political CYA), but when personal life is intertwined with your professional like me there's no one to share things with. Especially when parents are gone and you have a well intentioned Bay Area mind fog space cadet if supremely kind and gentle sister. So lucky for you I found myself, or my massive failures, while screwing around on these boards the last year or two.

[kramerica.inc]

That Biden staff really screwed up. They didn’t interrupt Biden to avoid him saying something that would need explanation, they strategically interrupted Johnson so there’d be no questioning re: protecting Biden. But it didn’t work. They were caught.

It is really a yuge disgrace. That Biden guy with his notecards and sticking to the script and message.

Makes me really miss the guy who could sling hour upon hour of lies and rando BS. Who didn't need notecards to talk about how big his hands/button/johnson are. And who watched like 10 hours of TV a day while president. Yup -- the good old days.

Over/under on whether you will still be bitching about DJT if/when we have a new president that's not him in Jan 2025? I'll take the OVER, by a large margin.

Joe

That's not it. He's not "bitching about Trump", my man.

He's making fun of people who let it all go when Trump was in power, and didn't say a word..... and are now hilariously nitpicking Biden.

So the Trump White House goes 300+ days without a press briefing----Republicans don't care. Biden leaves an event without taking questions?

Oh, clutch pearls! Biden can't do that!!!

The moral of the story is: either hold our President to account....or don't. Pick one.

Who are all those "people"? The same ones who refuse to call out Biden for anything, but did so regarding everything Trump did/said? Works both ways my friend, it's not the world against Joe Biden...

Joe

Remember the same outrage for everything Kayleigh McEnany, Sarah Sanders, Steph Grisham and Sean Spicer did (or didn't do)?

+1

Joe

Case in point, thank you!

And if I use the Forum search function, and search for the words "Kayleigh McEnany, Sarah Sanders, Steph Grisham and Sean Spicer" together with "Kramerica and JoeMauer" .......will I find your criticism?

No? Well, then you have no standing here, fellas. So as I said: either hold the President (and their crew) or don't. Pick one.

You can't pick both, sorry.

Todd, you realize I'm not blasting Psaki, right? I'm pointing out the same hypocrisy that you are.

Please use the same search function to find and blast all the hypocritical Psaki apologists...

You know, the ones who who were criticizing everything the Trump PR crew was doing?

This "Pot/Kettle" thing works both ways.

[ggait]

Joe Biden probably does not have dementia. i realize that reference to him is an insult to people actually suffering from dementia. I'm good with just calling him dumbf**k Joe. Is that better for you? It works for me.

I agree that Joe screwed up on Afghanistan. As did Trump, who had the exact same policy but left it to Joe to do the final withdrawal. I have no doubt the withdrawal would have been a mess if Trump had been in charge of doing it.

But Joe's screw-up (imo) had nothing to do with any cognitive decline. He just implemented his long standing policy opinion on the matter -- he was the lone person telling Obama years ago to do the same thing. He wasn't checked out or clueless. He was completely checked in.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:05 pm

Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,

Which is why shirt like this is so completely stupid. Made even more stupid by the fact that the righties are just repeating what they said about HRC -- senile and near death.

I never thought Trump was senile or dying. He's just a horrible, toxic narcissist who was completely unfit for office. Also, obviously, morbidly obese. And extremely vain.

His "rampgate" at West Point, for example, was likely due to the fact that (i) the guy (like most 70 year olds) needs glasses but refuses to wear them and (ii) benefits (like most 70 year olds) from a hand rail (which was missing). Especially since he can't see where he's going without glasses. And his vanity makes him terrified of winding up with a Chevy Chase/Gerald Ford moment.

[JoeMauer89]

That Biden staff really screwed up. They didn’t interrupt Biden to avoid him saying something that would need explanation, they strategically interrupted Johnson so there’d be no questioning re: protecting Biden. But it didn’t work. They were caught.

It is really a yuge disgrace. That Biden guy with his notecards and sticking to the script and message.

Makes me really miss the guy who could sling hour upon hour of lies and rando BS. Who didn't need notecards to talk about how big his hands/button/johnson are. And who watched like 10 hours of TV a day while president. Yup -- the good old days.

Over/under on whether you will still be bitching about DJT if/when we have a new president that's not him in Jan 2025? I'll take the OVER, by a large margin.

Joe

That's not it. He's not "bitching about Trump", my man.

He's making fun of people who let it all go when Trump was in power, and didn't say a word..... and are now hilariously nitpicking Biden.

So the Trump White House goes 300+ days without a press briefing----Republicans don't care. Biden leaves an event without taking questions?

Oh, clutch pearls! Biden can't do that!!!

The moral of the story is: either hold our President to account....or don't. Pick one.

Who are all those "people"? The same ones who refuse to call out Biden for anything, but did so regarding everything Trump did/said? Works both ways my friend, it's not the world against Joe Biden...

Joe

Remember the same outrage for everything Kayleigh McEnany, Sarah Sanders, Steph Grisham and Sean Spicer did (or didn't do)?

+1

Joe

Case in point, thank you!

And if I use the Forum search function, and search for the words "Kayleigh McEnany, Sarah Sanders, Steph Grisham and Sean Spicer" together with "Kramerica and JoeMauer" .......will I find your criticism?

No? Well, then you have no standing here, fellas. So as I said: either hold the President (and their crew) or don't. Pick one.

You can't pick both, sorry.

Todd, you realize I'm not blasting Psaki, right? I'm pointing out the same hypocrisy that you are.

Please use the same search function to find and blast all the hypocritical Psaki apologists...

You know, the ones who who were criticizing everything the Trump PR crew was doing?

This "Pot/Kettle" thing works both ways.

Kram,

Thank you for making such a salient point!

Joe

[MDlaxfan76]

Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,

I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe

Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?

And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?

Because he's explained the basis for the statement many times. You are still not going to be "ok" whether he explains it again, ad nauseum. That's fine, because it does not fit your preferred narrow political narrative. There's nothing nefarious behind Kram's statement, you guys just perceive it that way, as an attack. It's not, he is making observations and projection's based on patterns of behavior he is noticing.

Joe

Actually, I don't recall anyone, Kram or anyone else, actually making a well-supported argument that they have actually observed, with examples, of real cognitive decline (much less the nuttiness of the former POTUS)...and as someone who actually watches Biden speak quite a bit, at length, and have for many years, I just don't see more than regular aging. That's not a "narrative", "narrow or otherwise.

But he's an old guy. Might die before his term ends, whether first or second term. Certainly more likely than if he was 20 years younger. No debate there.

Maybe you don't realize how ridiculous this particular "projection" of "make it through the end of his term" sounds without any basis other than the objective reality of sheer age, but it really is.

What does appear to be a politically motivated "narrative' is this wishful thinking on the hard right that Biden's not up to the job of leadership. The hypocrisy of this is quite amazing, but hey, you do you.

Of course, if you'd like to step into Kram's shoes and actually explain the basis of this "observation" based on real examples, including full speeches and/or extended responses to press questions, go for it. That was the question asked. BTW, not taking questions ain't it...that's a choice that's appropriate for any POTUS at times, nor is Biden's stumbling at times over his words, something he's done for decades due to the way his brain is often ahaed of his words, caused stuttering etc. That's quite similar now, to how it's always been.

If you're just saying he's old, I do quite agree.
Thank goodness he does seem to be in good health, works a very long day, and appears no worse for the wear at this point.
If anything, he appears stronger to me than during the campaign a year ago...watched his speech at UN and he seems quite on his game to me.

Did you watch?
Me, I'd be exhausted!

Not taking any questions? I'd be hard pressed to remember a president that took that option as frequently as Joe does. I'm not sitting here hoping he fails so that DJT can come swooping in and reclaim the presidency, that's just something that you have concocted in your own head.

Joe

Not to mention the fact that dementia Joe can't answer questions without a cheat sheet. Not to mention the fact that dementia Joe is all over the place trying to answer the most basic of questions. This could be the reason Jen Sake is going out of her mind trying to explain whatever it is her boss is rambling about from one day to the next.

Yes. But just because he's all jumbled up, doesn't mean he's going anywhere. You gents remember Reagan, right? What happened there?

Reelected in a landslide.

I just think this whole 'dementia' stuff is a bunch of wishful thinking by the right wing, angry cohort/media...not that it's impossible, but I just don't see it as yet. He's pretty darn clear to me, and that includes watching him answer long form, multi-part questions. I've seen dementia up close and I don't see those signs (yet) with Biden.

Have you seen your ophthalmologist recently for an exam? It could explain why you can't see what is in front of your face. Joe Biden probably does not have dementia. i realize that reference to him is an insult to people actually suffering from dementia. I'm good with just calling him dumbf**k Joe. Is that better for you? It works for me.

Well, as I don't call you that, I'd suggest not doing so about Biden.
Name calling seems childish with me to begin with, all the more so when it might well be better applied to oneself.

I don't think Joe is high on the IQ range (he's also said that about himself many times), but I do think he's very high on the government experience and empathy ranges. Very strong emotional IQ. The latter help compensate for the former.

I don't find you particularly high on any of these ranges, but I don't call you dumb, etc either. It'd be childish.

You're right, using dementia non clinically as an epithet is indeed insulting to those suffering with this very real, indeed devastating, problem.

Thanks for recognizing that. Appreciated.

I watched my dad die from dementia. It was the worst time in my life. If you have never lived through it you can never explain what it feels like to anyone. In reflection my own callousness bothers me. To anyone who has ever lost a loved one to dementia the heartbreak never ends. i think Joe is not the man he was 10 years ago. I think he has some serious cognitive issues. I will not use derogatory terms about Joe anymore. I will not stand by and ignore that something is wrong with him. His decision making bothers me quite a bit. He had the best and brightest minds advising him how to pull out of Afghanistan. Joe chose to ignore every single bit of advise he was given. He effed up something that could have been accomplished had he listened to his own people. The question to be asked is... when will he ignore the good advice being given to him again? What is the point of having the best and brightest minds advising you if you don't pay attention to what they are telling you? Our withdrawal from Afghanistan did not have to be a cluster fudge. That happened because Joe ignored his own people and made his own decision. The buck stops here means that the buck stops here. That does not mean you whine about the situation you inherited from trump. The vast majority of us on this forum wanted to get our people the hell out of there. How you went about accomplishing that is the issue at hand.

Thanks; criticizing Biden for his actual decisions and/or the execution of such by his Admin are entirely appropriate IMO.

I think I wrote more than once, both during the campaign and early on that Biden and his Admin will provide plenty for us to critique, second guess, Monday morning quarterback or just kibbitz about.

[a fan]

Todd, you realize I'm not blasting Psaki, right? I'm pointing out the same hypocrisy that you are.

Please use the same search function to find and blast all the hypocritical Psaki apologists...

Haven't had a chance yet! I just got back.

But there's a big difference between, for example, boilerplate WH spokesman buffalo bagels we've seen since TV was invented (things are going great in Vietnam, we promise)....and shutting down all questions completely for an entire year. I'm on MD's side on this count. Come on.....being MIA for a year?

I'm just getting warmed up on Biden. He hasn't done anything yet, really.

Everyone here pointed out that BIden F'ed up on Afghanistan. So the Forum's Trump-haters are already doing just fine in terms of equal criticisms.

What they didn't do, and rightly so, place ALL of the blame for the Afghan collapse on Biden. Because that's absurd...Biden's hasn't even been around for a full baseball season yet, let alone for 20 years.


But Biden is on the clock, and the clock runs out for many of these items in a few months. On my short list:

-he has to repeal (or try, he can't do it alone) the Trump Tax cuts
-he has to end the tariffs. That's China and the UK/EU. It's now Biden's tariffs until he changes them.
-he has to do SOMETHING to help the bottom 80% voters---the Trump "forgotten voter." An example would be the child tax checks that are going out. If he makes that permanent? He's made a big, big, big difference in the lives of the bottom earners in America.
-he has to pass the infrastructure bill.


I don't like Biden, as you know. I think he's a corrupt corporate Dem, ala Bill and Hillary. I don't think he'll move the football for most Americans. Just like Trump.

[MDlaxfan76]

Joe Biden probably does not have dementia. i realize that reference to him is an insult to people actually suffering from dementia. I'm good with just calling him dumbf**k Joe. Is that better for you? It works for me.

I agree that Joe screwed up on Afghanistan. As did Trump, who had the exact same policy but left it to Joe to do the final withdrawal. I have no doubt the withdrawal would have been a mess if Trump had been in charge of doing it.

But Joe's screw-up (imo) had nothing to do with any cognitive decline. He just implemented his long standing policy opinion on the matter -- he was the lone person telling Obama years ago to do the same thing. He wasn't checked out or clueless. He was completely checked in.

I think that's right.

However, I think you're actually letting off Trump easy...we're now learning that Trump had signed an order to immediately and precipitously remove the troops last winter, no preparation, planning, or consultation with any of the military at all. Milley and O'Brien dumbstruck, angry, O'Brien got Trump to reverse the order, insisting that such an order would be proper and legal only with proper process followed.

And this is why Milley was actually concerned that Trump was so off the rails it was entirely possible that he'd issue a catastrophic order without any consultation or legal process followed. Trump had just done so.

Thus the necessity to convene others in the military to go over the necessary processes for any order from the White House. Apparently, much the same was done during Nixon's impeachment/resignation final days.

So, yeah, it's not really speculation that a withdrawal under Trump would have been a "mess". He actually wanted to do it without any planning or consideration at all.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Trying to equate Biden's press staff issues vs. Trump's is about the saddest thing ever. Like comparing apples to, well, I guess the best comparison is what comes out after you eat an apple.

Like, were you not there the first two days of Trump's presidency when the most insane press conference ever during a presidency occurred (which was quickly surpassed in the following days). It's like bizarro-land around here. Revisionist history, ain't it great lads.

[youthathletics]

Trying to equate Biden's press staff issues vs. Trump's is about the saddest thing ever. Like comparing apples to, well, I guess the best comparison is what comes out after you eat an apple.

Like, were you not there the first two days of Trump's presidency when the most insane press conference ever during a presidency occurred (which was quickly surpassed in the following days). It's like bizarro-land around here. Revisionist history, ain't it great lads.

Hey TLD....curious, who was equating?

[ggait]

Please use the same search function to find and blast all the hypocritical Psaki apologists...

You know, the ones who who were criticizing everything the Trump PR crew was doing?

False equivalency is still false.

There's a world of difference between Psaki and Spicer et al.

The largest crowd size ever....

Over a million people turned out for the Million MAGA March....

And thousands more.

GMAFB

[MDlaxfan76]

Todd, you realize I'm not blasting Psaki, right? I'm pointing out the same hypocrisy that you are.

Please use the same search function to find and blast all the hypocritical Psaki apologists...

Haven't had a chance yet! I just got back.

But there's a big difference between, for example, boilerplate WH spokesman buffalo bagels we've seen since TV was invented (things are going great in Vietnam, we promise)....and shutting down all questions completely for an entire year. I'm on MD's side on this count. Come on.....being MIA for a year?

I'm just getting warmed up on Biden. He hasn't done anything yet, really.

Everyone here pointed out that BIden F'ed up on Afghanistan. So the Forum's Trump-haters are already doing just fine in terms of equal criticisms.

What they didn't do, and rightly so, place ALL of the blame for the Afghan collapse on Biden. Because that's absurd...Biden's hasn't even been around for a full baseball season yet, let alone for 20 years.


But Biden is on the clock, and the clock runs out for many of these items in a few months. On my short list:

-he has to repeal (or try, he can't do it alone) the Trump Tax cuts
-he has to end the tariffs. That's China and the UK/EU. It's now Biden's tariffs until he changes them.
-he has to do SOMETHING to help the bottom 80% voters---the Trump "forgotten voter." An example would be the child tax checks that are going out. If he makes that permanent? He's made a big, big, big difference in the lives of the bottom earners in America.
-he has to pass the infrastructure bill.


I don't like Biden, as you know. I think he's a corrupt corporate Dem, ala Bill and Hillary. I don't think he'll move the football for most Americans. Just like Trump.

Pretty good shortlist, though undoubtedly some will disagree with whether those each should be done.

In my view, the infrastructure bill is an enormous priority and a big win for America, if passed.
The crazy thing is that Trump had this opportunity and squandered it.
That said, I think the climate aspects that are in this version are super important.

I agree that the Trump tax cuts were wrong, but I'd like to keep the reforms that cause more taxes to be paid to land on the super wealthy and manipulators, the large corporations, and not on the bulk of successful people, business owners, and their families. I'm all for making the indexed, child tax credit permanent, agree that'll help lift many families out of poverty.

I'm intrigued by many of the social net ideas in the reconciliation effort, and indeed it would be transformative, but I guess I'd like to be sure they're really well thought through...it's hugely expensive...on the other hand, I understand the unleash women's productivity argument. That wasn't on your list...but I do think that if he gets at least some of that done, and it works, that'll accrue to the good of our country.

Quite agree on the tariffs...stupid from day one. I was just talking with some steel fastener, equipment guys (their conference was next to ours in Vegas); they were from Texas, republicans..they hate the tariffs and what it's done to supply chains, costs. Nearly put them out of business.

But I'd add to your list the election reform stuff. What's going on right now is so entirely anti-democratic, with SCOTUS complicity or at least frozen, that I think it's close to existential for our system for Biden and Congress to get it done.

I don't think any of this is on Biden alone, but he has the biggest bully pulpit, the most leverage.

I don't put Biden in the same "corrupt" box as the Clintons. That's quite a box. Directionally, sure.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Trying to equate Biden's press staff issues vs. Trump's is about the saddest thing ever. Like comparing apples to, well, I guess the best comparison is what comes out after you eat an apple.

Like, were you not there the first two days of Trump's presidency when the most insane press conference ever during a presidency occurred (which was quickly surpassed in the following days). It's like bizarro-land around here. Revisionist history, ain't it great lads.

Hey TLD....curious, who was equating?

Not sure what you mean here. You need to restructure your inquiry…..I will answer although you frequently decline to answer direct questions.

[youthathletics]

Trying to equate Biden's press staff issues vs. Trump's is about the saddest thing ever. Like comparing apples to, well, I guess the best comparison is what comes out after you eat an apple.

Like, were you not there the first two days of Trump's presidency when the most insane press conference ever during a presidency occurred (which was quickly surpassed in the following days). It's like bizarro-land around here. Revisionist history, ain't it great lads.

Hey TLD....curious, who was equating?

Not sure what you mean here. You need to restructure your inquiry…..I will answer although you frequently decline to answer direct questions.

I answer and engage regularly....just depends on how far down the rabbit hole I feel like following you.

[JoeMauer89]

Trying to equate Biden's press staff issues vs. Trump's is about the saddest thing ever. Like comparing apples to, well, I guess the best comparison is what comes out after you eat an apple.

Like, were you not there the first two days of Trump's presidency when the most insane press conference ever during a presidency occurred (which was quickly surpassed in the following days). It's like bizarro-land around here. Revisionist history, ain't it great lads.

Hey TLD....curious, who was equating?