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Re: 2024

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JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:22 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?
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Re: 2024

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JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
...speaking of defaulting to the negative position...

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CU88 wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:38 am June 1, 2021
Heather Cox Richardson
Jun 2

Today, more than 100 scholars who study democracy issued a letter warning that “our entire democracy is now at risk.” The letter explains that the new election laws in Republican-led states, passed with the justification that they will make elections safer, in fact are turning “several states into political systems that no longer meet the minimum conditions for free and fair elections.”

If we permit the breakdown of democracy, it will be a very long time before we can reverse the damage. As a nation spirals downward, the political scientists, sociologists, and government scholars explain, “violence and corruption typically flourish, and talent and wealth flee to more stable countries, undermining national prosperity. It is not just our venerated institutions and norms that are at risk—it is our future national standing, strength, and ability to compete globally.”

The scholars called for federal action to protect equal access to voting and to guarantee free and fair elections. Voting rights should not depend on which party runs the state legislature, and votes must be cast and counted equally, regardless of where a citizen lives. They back the reforms in the For the People Act, which protects the right to vote, ends partisan gerrymandering, and curbs the flood of money into elections.

They urged Congress “to do whatever is necessary—including suspending the filibuster—in order to pass national voting and election administration standards that both guarantee the vote to all Americans equally, and prevent state legislatures from manipulating the rules in order to manufacture the result they want. Our democracy is fundamentally at stake.”

“History,” they wrote, “will judge what we do at this moment.”

But in Tulsa, Oklahoma, today, President Joe Biden noted that the events that transpired in the Greenwood district of that city 100 years ago today were written out of most histories. The Tulsa Massacre destroyed 35 blocks of the prosperous Greenwood neighborhood, wiping out 1100 homes and businesses and taking hundreds of Black lives, robbing Black families of generational wealth and the opportunities that come with it.

Biden pointed out that he was the first president to go to Tulsa to acknowledge what happened there on May 31 and June 1, 1921. But, he said, “We do ourselves no favors by pretending none of this ever happened or doesn’t impact us today, because it does.” He drew a direct line from the terrorism at Greenwood to the terrorism in August 2017 at Charlottesville, Virginia, to the January 6 insurrection. Citing the intelligence community, he reminded listeners that “terrorism from white supremacy is the most lethal threat to the homeland today. Not Isis. Not al-Qaeda. White supremacists.”

Victims’ trauma endures, too, and it eventually demands a reckoning when “what many people hadn’t seen before, or simply refused to see, cannot be ignored any longer.” Today, Americans are recognizing “that for too long, we’ve allowed a narrowed, cramped view of the promise of this nation to fester, the view that America is a zero-sum game, where there’s only one winner. If you succeed, I fail. If you get ahead, I fall behind. If you get a job, I lose mine. And maybe worst of all, if I hold you down, I lift myself up. Instead of if you do well, we all do well.” Biden promised to invest in Black communities extensively to unlock creativity and innovation.

Then the president took on the elephant in the room: voting. On Saturday, Biden took a stand against the state voter suppression laws being passed in Republican-dominated legislatures that, as he said, attack “the sacred right to vote.” They are “part of an assault on democracy that we’ve seen far too often this year—and often disproportionately targeting Black and Brown Americans.” They are “wrong and un-American.”

Biden called on Congress to pass the For the People Act and the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act, which would restore the voting protections the Supreme Court stripped out of the 1965 Voting Rights Act with the 2013 Shelby County v. Holder decision. He called on “all Americans, of every party and persuasion, to stand up for our democracy and to protect the right to vote and the integrity of our elections.

In Tulsa today, Biden called the Republican efforts to restrict voting a “truly unprecedented assault on our democracy.” He urged voting rights groups to redouble their efforts to register and educate voters, and then he put pressure on Democratic senators Joe Manchin (WV) and Kyrsten Sinema (AZ), who continue to say they will not challenge the Republican use of the filibuster to stop passage of voting rights bills. Biden promised to fight “like heck with every tool in my disposal” to get the For the People and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act passed.

He has asked Vice President Kamala Harris to lead the effort. Today, she released a statement placing today’s fight for voting rights in the context of our history. “[M]any have worked—and many have died—to ensure that all Americans can cast a ballot and have their vote counted,” she said. “Today, that hard-won progress is under assault.” She promised to work with voting rights organizations, community organizations, the private sector, and Congress to strengthen voting rights.

“The work ahead of us is to make voting accessible to all American voters, and to make sure every vote is counted through a free, fair, and transparent process,” she said. “This is the work of democracy.”
We will contact each and every scholar of democracy, and ask them what they think of 435
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:23 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:22 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?
The predicate is presumptive of the answer when inquiring but anyone who pay attention knows what time it is. Some people don’t believe in context.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:01 amSome people don’t believe in context.
Boy Howdy...

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dislaxxic wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:54 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:01 amSome people don’t believe in context.
Boy Howdy...

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I will admit I use the word RE t… too much. Especially given my mother was operational and personnel head of a mentally disabled state facility in CNY for a couple of years when I was a kid and I spent a lot of time developing relationships with them and being their fun during the fairs and whatnot-I should know better. But I have more respect for all of those with mental deficiencies than that clown in the gif above for sure.

And I’m not running for President. I don’t even know if my background would qualify me to be mayor of DC…
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That ain't even the half what they might do
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Re: 2024

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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:23 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:22 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?
Because he's explained the basis for the statement many times. You are still not going to be "ok" whether he explains it again, ad nauseum. That's fine, because it does not fit your preferred narrow political narrative. There's nothing nefarious behind Kram's statement, you guys just perceive it that way, as an attack. It's not, he is making observations and projection's based on patterns of behavior he is noticing.

Joe
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Re: 2024

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dislaxxic wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:54 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:01 amSome people don’t believe in context.
Boy Howdy...

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Dis,

You do realize that simply allowing in your mind for some basis for Kram's comments has ZERO to do with DJT. Keep living life being an angry shallow person, some way to do it. Sad that your hatred for one man forms so much of the narrow political frame of mind you maintain. :roll:

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Re: 2024

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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:28 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?
He thinks Biden has alzheimers or some other dementia due to media conditioning, hence the "sundowning" comment. More projection from the party whose second favorite president had alzheimers while in office.
Media should treat confused Joe Biden like it treated confused Ronald Reagan

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/op ... ald-reagan
But is it possible in these fractured times that reporting examining Biden’s acuity will only by undertaken by his journalistic enemies and not by news organizations that consider themselves neutral? That so far seems to be the norm. On June 18, after Biden repeatedly confused Libya and Syria in a news conference, The Washington Post ran a long story about 14 GOP lawmakers who asked Biden to take a cognitive test. The story did not note any of the examples of Biden’s incoherence and focused on, yes, Democrats’ concerns about Trump’s mental health. A Google search indicates The New York Times has never addressed this Biden issue in 2021.

Meanwhile, ABC News is credibly accused of editing out Biden’s bizarre comment in an Aug. 18 interview that his late son Beau served in the U.S. Navy in landlocked Afghanistan.

I don’t raise these concerns lightly and I hope that the many examples of weird Biden moments on YouTube are from his “bad days,” not confirmation of mental decline.

But it’s not just gaffes and occasional confusion that should be focused on. He had surgery because of aneurysms in his brain twice in three months in 1988. At 78, Biden is the oldest president ever. “Above the age of 65, a person’s risk of Alzheimer’s disease or vascular dementia doubles about every five years,” WebMD notes. “Dementia affects one in 14 people over 65 and one in six people over 80.”
As the story above references, there are plenty of examples that raise true concern, not just by the fox news types.
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Re: 2024

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JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:52 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:23 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:22 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?
Because he's explained the basis for the statement many times. You are still not going to be "ok" whether he explains it again, ad nauseum. That's fine, because it does not fit your preferred narrow political narrative. There's nothing nefarious behind Kram's statement, you guys just perceive it that way, as an attack. It's not, he is making observations and projection's based on patterns of behavior he is noticing.

Joe
Actually, I don't recall anyone, Kram or anyone else, actually making a well-supported argument that they have actually observed, with examples, of real cognitive decline (much less the nuttiness of the former POTUS)...and as someone who actually watches Biden speak quite a bit, at length, and have for many years, I just don't see more than regular aging. That's not a "narrative", "narrow or otherwise.

But he's an old guy. Might die before his term ends, whether first or second term. Certainly more likely than if he was 20 years younger. No debate there.

Maybe you don't realize how ridiculous this particular "projection" of "make it through the end of his term" sounds without any basis other than the objective reality of sheer age, but it really is.

What does appear to be a politically motivated "narrative' is this wishful thinking on the hard right that Biden's not up to the job of leadership. The hypocrisy of this is quite amazing, but hey, you do you.

Of course, if you'd like to step into Kram's shoes and actually explain the basis of this "observation" based on real examples, including full speeches and/or extended responses to press questions, go for it. That was the question asked. BTW, not taking questions ain't it...that's a choice that's appropriate for any POTUS at times, nor is Biden's stumbling at times over his words, something he's done for decades due to the way his brain is often ahaed of his words, caused stuttering etc. That's quite similar now, to how it's always been.

If you're just saying he's old, I do quite agree.
Thank goodness he does seem to be in good health, works a very long day, and appears no worse for the wear at this point.
If anything, he appears stronger to me than during the campaign a year ago...watched his speech at UN and he seems quite on his game to me.

Did you watch?
Me, I'd be exhausted!
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Re: 2024

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:51 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:52 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:23 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:22 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?
Because he's explained the basis for the statement many times. You are still not going to be "ok" whether he explains it again, ad nauseum. That's fine, because it does not fit your preferred narrow political narrative. There's nothing nefarious behind Kram's statement, you guys just perceive it that way, as an attack. It's not, he is making observations and projection's based on patterns of behavior he is noticing.

Joe
Actually, I don't recall anyone, Kram or anyone else, actually making a well-supported argument that they have actually observed, with examples, of real cognitive decline (much less the nuttiness of the former POTUS)...and as someone who actually watches Biden speak quite a bit, at length, and have for many years, I just don't see more than regular aging. That's not a "narrative", "narrow or otherwise.

But he's an old guy. Might die before his term ends, whether first or second term. Certainly more likely than if he was 20 years younger. No debate there.

Maybe you don't realize how ridiculous this particular "projection" of "make it through the end of his term" sounds without any basis other than the objective reality of sheer age, but it really is.

What does appear to be a politically motivated "narrative' is this wishful thinking on the hard right that Biden's not up to the job of leadership. The hypocrisy of this is quite amazing, but hey, you do you.

Of course, if you'd like to step into Kram's shoes and actually explain the basis of this "observation" based on real examples, including full speeches and/or extended responses to press questions, go for it. That was the question asked. BTW, not taking questions ain't it...that's a choice that's appropriate for any POTUS at times, nor is Biden's stumbling at times over his words, something he's done for decades due to the way his brain is often ahaed of his words, caused stuttering etc. That's quite similar now, to how it's always been.

If you're just saying he's old, I do quite agree.
Thank goodness he does seem to be in good health, works a very long day, and appears no worse for the wear at this point.
If anything, he appears stronger to me than during the campaign a year ago...watched his speech at UN and he seems quite on his game to me.

Did you watch?
Me, I'd be exhausted!
Not taking any questions? I'd be hard pressed to remember a president that took that option as frequently as Joe does. I'm not sitting here hoping he fails so that DJT can come swooping in and reclaim the presidency, that's just something that you have concocted in your own head. :roll:

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Re: 2024

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JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:51 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:52 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:23 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:22 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?
Because he's explained the basis for the statement many times. You are still not going to be "ok" whether he explains it again, ad nauseum. That's fine, because it does not fit your preferred narrow political narrative. There's nothing nefarious behind Kram's statement, you guys just perceive it that way, as an attack. It's not, he is making observations and projection's based on patterns of behavior he is noticing.

Joe
Actually, I don't recall anyone, Kram or anyone else, actually making a well-supported argument that they have actually observed, with examples, of real cognitive decline (much less the nuttiness of the former POTUS)...and as someone who actually watches Biden speak quite a bit, at length, and have for many years, I just don't see more than regular aging. That's not a "narrative", "narrow or otherwise.

But he's an old guy. Might die before his term ends, whether first or second term. Certainly more likely than if he was 20 years younger. No debate there.

Maybe you don't realize how ridiculous this particular "projection" of "make it through the end of his term" sounds without any basis other than the objective reality of sheer age, but it really is.

What does appear to be a politically motivated "narrative' is this wishful thinking on the hard right that Biden's not up to the job of leadership. The hypocrisy of this is quite amazing, but hey, you do you.

Of course, if you'd like to step into Kram's shoes and actually explain the basis of this "observation" based on real examples, including full speeches and/or extended responses to press questions, go for it. That was the question asked. BTW, not taking questions ain't it...that's a choice that's appropriate for any POTUS at times, nor is Biden's stumbling at times over his words, something he's done for decades due to the way his brain is often ahaed of his words, caused stuttering etc. That's quite similar now, to how it's always been.

If you're just saying he's old, I do quite agree.
Thank goodness he does seem to be in good health, works a very long day, and appears no worse for the wear at this point.
If anything, he appears stronger to me than during the campaign a year ago...watched his speech at UN and he seems quite on his game to me.

Did you watch?
Me, I'd be exhausted!
Not taking any questions? I'd be hard pressed to remember a president that took that option as frequently as Joe does. I'm not sitting here hoping he fails so that DJT can come swooping in and reclaim the presidency, that's just something that you have concocted in your own head. :roll:

Joe
Wonder what is going on here....https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/ ... 81091?s=20

Right in the middle of Boris Johnson speaking, White House staff cuts him off and dismisses the press. Weird.
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Re: 2024

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JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:56 amSad that your hatred for one man forms so much of the narrow political frame of mind you maintain. :roll:

Joe
I'll say it once again, there is no single person that more deserves the enmity of ALL Americans for what he has done to our nation...in the name of, what? Furthering his own delusions of grandeur. That image was offered in the "context" (ht/JM) of a comment about how some people have NO sense of context. DJT is, in fact, the poster boy for tone deaf lack of context which, in turn, he just has to "be right".

Trouble is, he has convinced a broad swath of America that his delusions matter.

Sit all day on the fence my friend...just watch where that fence-post might go...

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Re: 2024

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JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:51 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:52 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:23 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:22 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?
Because he's explained the basis for the statement many times. You are still not going to be "ok" whether he explains it again, ad nauseum. That's fine, because it does not fit your preferred narrow political narrative. There's nothing nefarious behind Kram's statement, you guys just perceive it that way, as an attack. It's not, he is making observations and projection's based on patterns of behavior he is noticing.

Joe
Actually, I don't recall anyone, Kram or anyone else, actually making a well-supported argument that they have actually observed, with examples, of real cognitive decline (much less the nuttiness of the former POTUS)...and as someone who actually watches Biden speak quite a bit, at length, and have for many years, I just don't see more than regular aging. That's not a "narrative", "narrow or otherwise.

But he's an old guy. Might die before his term ends, whether first or second term. Certainly more likely than if he was 20 years younger. No debate there.

Maybe you don't realize how ridiculous this particular "projection" of "make it through the end of his term" sounds without any basis other than the objective reality of sheer age, but it really is.

What does appear to be a politically motivated "narrative' is this wishful thinking on the hard right that Biden's not up to the job of leadership. The hypocrisy of this is quite amazing, but hey, you do you.

Of course, if you'd like to step into Kram's shoes and actually explain the basis of this "observation" based on real examples, including full speeches and/or extended responses to press questions, go for it. That was the question asked. BTW, not taking questions ain't it...that's a choice that's appropriate for any POTUS at times, nor is Biden's stumbling at times over his words, something he's done for decades due to the way his brain is often ahaed of his words, caused stuttering etc. That's quite similar now, to how it's always been.

If you're just saying he's old, I do quite agree.
Thank goodness he does seem to be in good health, works a very long day, and appears no worse for the wear at this point.
If anything, he appears stronger to me than during the campaign a year ago...watched his speech at UN and he seems quite on his game to me.

Did you watch?
Me, I'd be exhausted!
Not taking any questions? I'd be hard pressed to remember a president that took that option as frequently as Joe does. I'm not sitting here hoping he fails so that DJT can come swooping in and reclaim the presidency, that's just something that you have concocted in your own head. :roll:

Joe
Not to mention the fact that dementia Joe can't answer questions without a cheat sheet. Not to mention the fact that dementia Joe is all over the place trying to answer the most basic of questions. This could be the reason Jen Sake is going out of her mind trying to explain whatever it is her boss is rambling about from one day to the next.
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Re: 2024

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cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:33 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:51 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:52 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:23 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:22 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?
Because he's explained the basis for the statement many times. You are still not going to be "ok" whether he explains it again, ad nauseum. That's fine, because it does not fit your preferred narrow political narrative. There's nothing nefarious behind Kram's statement, you guys just perceive it that way, as an attack. It's not, he is making observations and projection's based on patterns of behavior he is noticing.

Joe
Actually, I don't recall anyone, Kram or anyone else, actually making a well-supported argument that they have actually observed, with examples, of real cognitive decline (much less the nuttiness of the former POTUS)...and as someone who actually watches Biden speak quite a bit, at length, and have for many years, I just don't see more than regular aging. That's not a "narrative", "narrow or otherwise.

But he's an old guy. Might die before his term ends, whether first or second term. Certainly more likely than if he was 20 years younger. No debate there.

Maybe you don't realize how ridiculous this particular "projection" of "make it through the end of his term" sounds without any basis other than the objective reality of sheer age, but it really is.

What does appear to be a politically motivated "narrative' is this wishful thinking on the hard right that Biden's not up to the job of leadership. The hypocrisy of this is quite amazing, but hey, you do you.

Of course, if you'd like to step into Kram's shoes and actually explain the basis of this "observation" based on real examples, including full speeches and/or extended responses to press questions, go for it. That was the question asked. BTW, not taking questions ain't it...that's a choice that's appropriate for any POTUS at times, nor is Biden's stumbling at times over his words, something he's done for decades due to the way his brain is often ahaed of his words, caused stuttering etc. That's quite similar now, to how it's always been.

If you're just saying he's old, I do quite agree.
Thank goodness he does seem to be in good health, works a very long day, and appears no worse for the wear at this point.
If anything, he appears stronger to me than during the campaign a year ago...watched his speech at UN and he seems quite on his game to me.

Did you watch?
Me, I'd be exhausted!
Not taking any questions? I'd be hard pressed to remember a president that took that option as frequently as Joe does. I'm not sitting here hoping he fails so that DJT can come swooping in and reclaim the presidency, that's just something that you have concocted in your own head. :roll:

Joe
Not to mention the fact that dementia Joe can't answer questions without a cheat sheet. Not to mention the fact that dementia Joe is all over the place trying to answer the most basic of questions. This could be the reason Jen Sake is going out of her mind trying to explain whatever it is her boss is rambling about from one day to the next.
+1

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Re: 2024

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JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:45 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:33 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:51 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:52 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:23 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:22 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?
Because he's explained the basis for the statement many times. You are still not going to be "ok" whether he explains it again, ad nauseum. That's fine, because it does not fit your preferred narrow political narrative. There's nothing nefarious behind Kram's statement, you guys just perceive it that way, as an attack. It's not, he is making observations and projection's based on patterns of behavior he is noticing.

Joe
Actually, I don't recall anyone, Kram or anyone else, actually making a well-supported argument that they have actually observed, with examples, of real cognitive decline (much less the nuttiness of the former POTUS)...and as someone who actually watches Biden speak quite a bit, at length, and have for many years, I just don't see more than regular aging. That's not a "narrative", "narrow or otherwise.

But he's an old guy. Might die before his term ends, whether first or second term. Certainly more likely than if he was 20 years younger. No debate there.

Maybe you don't realize how ridiculous this particular "projection" of "make it through the end of his term" sounds without any basis other than the objective reality of sheer age, but it really is.

What does appear to be a politically motivated "narrative' is this wishful thinking on the hard right that Biden's not up to the job of leadership. The hypocrisy of this is quite amazing, but hey, you do you.

Of course, if you'd like to step into Kram's shoes and actually explain the basis of this "observation" based on real examples, including full speeches and/or extended responses to press questions, go for it. That was the question asked. BTW, not taking questions ain't it...that's a choice that's appropriate for any POTUS at times, nor is Biden's stumbling at times over his words, something he's done for decades due to the way his brain is often ahaed of his words, caused stuttering etc. That's quite similar now, to how it's always been.

If you're just saying he's old, I do quite agree.
Thank goodness he does seem to be in good health, works a very long day, and appears no worse for the wear at this point.
If anything, he appears stronger to me than during the campaign a year ago...watched his speech at UN and he seems quite on his game to me.

Did you watch?
Me, I'd be exhausted!
Not taking any questions? I'd be hard pressed to remember a president that took that option as frequently as Joe does. I'm not sitting here hoping he fails so that DJT can come swooping in and reclaim the presidency, that's just something that you have concocted in your own head. :roll:

Joe
Not to mention the fact that dementia Joe can't answer questions without a cheat sheet. Not to mention the fact that dementia Joe is all over the place trying to answer the most basic of questions. This could be the reason Jen Sake is going out of her mind trying to explain whatever it is her boss is rambling about from one day to the next.
+1

Joe
Joe Biden is about 10 years past his expiration date. His major malfunction in trying to deal with our nation's exit from Afghanistan proves that. The only excuse given from the FLP cumquats on this forum is that dementia Joe inherited this mess from the trumpster diver. The new big lie. On 1/21/2021 dementia Joe could have created whatever criteria he chose to exit Afghanistan. He chose to ignore his own advisers and follow his gut. Joe Biden is responsible for the f**kup in Afghanistan. The minute he decided to abandon Bagram Airfield he told the Afghan army they were on their own. Dementia Joe threw them under the bus. Dementia Joe followed his own best instincts.Dementia Joe should have listened to his advisers. I have not heard a peep from any of dementia Joe's advisers saying they agreed with his decision. The dementia Joe supporters are blaming this clusterfudge on trump. On 1/21/2021 that baton was handed to dementia Joe. As dementia Joe said, if he remembers.."the buck stops here"
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Re: 2024

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cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:33 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:51 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:52 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:23 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:22 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?
Because he's explained the basis for the statement many times. You are still not going to be "ok" whether he explains it again, ad nauseum. That's fine, because it does not fit your preferred narrow political narrative. There's nothing nefarious behind Kram's statement, you guys just perceive it that way, as an attack. It's not, he is making observations and projection's based on patterns of behavior he is noticing.

Joe
Actually, I don't recall anyone, Kram or anyone else, actually making a well-supported argument that they have actually observed, with examples, of real cognitive decline (much less the nuttiness of the former POTUS)...and as someone who actually watches Biden speak quite a bit, at length, and have for many years, I just don't see more than regular aging. That's not a "narrative", "narrow or otherwise.

But he's an old guy. Might die before his term ends, whether first or second term. Certainly more likely than if he was 20 years younger. No debate there.

Maybe you don't realize how ridiculous this particular "projection" of "make it through the end of his term" sounds without any basis other than the objective reality of sheer age, but it really is.

What does appear to be a politically motivated "narrative' is this wishful thinking on the hard right that Biden's not up to the job of leadership. The hypocrisy of this is quite amazing, but hey, you do you.

Of course, if you'd like to step into Kram's shoes and actually explain the basis of this "observation" based on real examples, including full speeches and/or extended responses to press questions, go for it. That was the question asked. BTW, not taking questions ain't it...that's a choice that's appropriate for any POTUS at times, nor is Biden's stumbling at times over his words, something he's done for decades due to the way his brain is often ahaed of his words, caused stuttering etc. That's quite similar now, to how it's always been.

If you're just saying he's old, I do quite agree.
Thank goodness he does seem to be in good health, works a very long day, and appears no worse for the wear at this point.
If anything, he appears stronger to me than during the campaign a year ago...watched his speech at UN and he seems quite on his game to me.

Did you watch?
Me, I'd be exhausted!
Not taking any questions? I'd be hard pressed to remember a president that took that option as frequently as Joe does. I'm not sitting here hoping he fails so that DJT can come swooping in and reclaim the presidency, that's just something that you have concocted in your own head. :roll:

Joe
Not to mention the fact that dementia Joe can't answer questions without a cheat sheet. Not to mention the fact that dementia Joe is all over the place trying to answer the most basic of questions. This could be the reason Jen Sake is going out of her mind trying to explain whatever it is her boss is rambling about from one day to the next.
Yes. But just because he's all jumbled up, doesn't mean he's going anywhere. You gents remember Reagan, right? What happened there?
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Re: 2024

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a fan wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:20 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:33 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:51 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:52 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:23 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:22 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?
Because he's explained the basis for the statement many times. You are still not going to be "ok" whether he explains it again, ad nauseum. That's fine, because it does not fit your preferred narrow political narrative. There's nothing nefarious behind Kram's statement, you guys just perceive it that way, as an attack. It's not, he is making observations and projection's based on patterns of behavior he is noticing.

Joe
Actually, I don't recall anyone, Kram or anyone else, actually making a well-supported argument that they have actually observed, with examples, of real cognitive decline (much less the nuttiness of the former POTUS)...and as someone who actually watches Biden speak quite a bit, at length, and have for many years, I just don't see more than regular aging. That's not a "narrative", "narrow or otherwise.

But he's an old guy. Might die before his term ends, whether first or second term. Certainly more likely than if he was 20 years younger. No debate there.

Maybe you don't realize how ridiculous this particular "projection" of "make it through the end of his term" sounds without any basis other than the objective reality of sheer age, but it really is.

What does appear to be a politically motivated "narrative' is this wishful thinking on the hard right that Biden's not up to the job of leadership. The hypocrisy of this is quite amazing, but hey, you do you.

Of course, if you'd like to step into Kram's shoes and actually explain the basis of this "observation" based on real examples, including full speeches and/or extended responses to press questions, go for it. That was the question asked. BTW, not taking questions ain't it...that's a choice that's appropriate for any POTUS at times, nor is Biden's stumbling at times over his words, something he's done for decades due to the way his brain is often ahaed of his words, caused stuttering etc. That's quite similar now, to how it's always been.

If you're just saying he's old, I do quite agree.
Thank goodness he does seem to be in good health, works a very long day, and appears no worse for the wear at this point.
If anything, he appears stronger to me than during the campaign a year ago...watched his speech at UN and he seems quite on his game to me.

Did you watch?
Me, I'd be exhausted!
Not taking any questions? I'd be hard pressed to remember a president that took that option as frequently as Joe does. I'm not sitting here hoping he fails so that DJT can come swooping in and reclaim the presidency, that's just something that you have concocted in your own head. :roll:

Joe
Not to mention the fact that dementia Joe can't answer questions without a cheat sheet. Not to mention the fact that dementia Joe is all over the place trying to answer the most basic of questions. This could be the reason Jen Sake is going out of her mind trying to explain whatever it is her boss is rambling about from one day to the next.
Yes. But just because he's all jumbled up, doesn't mean he's going anywhere. You gents remember Reagan, right? What happened there?
He got all the glory and recognition while we’ve learned in the back room Nancy worked him with a strap on?
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Re: 2024

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JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:51 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:52 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:23 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:22 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:50 pm
CU88 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:05 pm
Doubt Biden makes it through his first term,
I will take the bait, what do you know that we don't?

What makes you ask this? You can't see ANY basis at ALL for realistically asking that question? Or is it, you DON"T WANT to see it as a realistic question, because it challenges your narrative. I'm betting that's the more likely reasoning here.

Joe
Did Kram 'ask a question'?
I don't see a question mark..looks like a statement.
And what narrative is it that you imagine CU88 has that's challenged by this particular statement?
And why is it not OK to ask Kramer the basis for the statement?
Because he's explained the basis for the statement many times. You are still not going to be "ok" whether he explains it again, ad nauseum. That's fine, because it does not fit your preferred narrow political narrative. There's nothing nefarious behind Kram's statement, you guys just perceive it that way, as an attack. It's not, he is making observations and projection's based on patterns of behavior he is noticing.

Joe
Actually, I don't recall anyone, Kram or anyone else, actually making a well-supported argument that they have actually observed, with examples, of real cognitive decline (much less the nuttiness of the former POTUS)...and as someone who actually watches Biden speak quite a bit, at length, and have for many years, I just don't see more than regular aging. That's not a "narrative", "narrow or otherwise.

But he's an old guy. Might die before his term ends, whether first or second term. Certainly more likely than if he was 20 years younger. No debate there.

Maybe you don't realize how ridiculous this particular "projection" of "make it through the end of his term" sounds without any basis other than the objective reality of sheer age, but it really is.

What does appear to be a politically motivated "narrative' is this wishful thinking on the hard right that Biden's not up to the job of leadership. The hypocrisy of this is quite amazing, but hey, you do you.

Of course, if you'd like to step into Kram's shoes and actually explain the basis of this "observation" based on real examples, including full speeches and/or extended responses to press questions, go for it. That was the question asked. BTW, not taking questions ain't it...that's a choice that's appropriate for any POTUS at times, nor is Biden's stumbling at times over his words, something he's done for decades due to the way his brain is often ahaed of his words, caused stuttering etc. That's quite similar now, to how it's always been.

If you're just saying he's old, I do quite agree.
Thank goodness he does seem to be in good health, works a very long day, and appears no worse for the wear at this point.
If anything, he appears stronger to me than during the campaign a year ago...watched his speech at UN and he seems quite on his game to me.

Did you watch?
Me, I'd be exhausted!
Not taking any questions? I'd be hard pressed to remember a president that took that option as frequently as Joe does. I'm not sitting here hoping he fails so that DJT can come swooping in and reclaim the presidency, that's just something that you have concocted in your own head. :roll:

Joe
ahhh, but are you hoping he fails? (forget Trump, are you hoping for good health and success?)
And seriously, you've tracked how often Biden takes questions?
Is there simply discipline re-instituted in this White House on process?

By contrast, Trump was very undisciplined, took questions, berated press he didn't like and refused to answer their questions, but loved to interact with Fox, OAN, etc, loved the attention, until he tired of such, questions got too pointed...but no straight press conferences, heck press secretaries eventually refused to do them at all. (and that's ignoring the blatant lying).

Biden's process is simply a return to prior disciplined Presidencies.
I don't recall your age, Joe, but perhaps you just don't have that many Presidencies' perspective.
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