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old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pm

foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:45 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:08 pm

foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:41 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:29 pm

holmes435 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:58 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:26 pm Nobody's picking on Mayor Pete, so he's picking a fight with Pence so he can be the aggrieved party.

Trying way too hard.

Did you watch the video, or read the various quotes? The only one trying too hard to make this a big deal is you.

Yes I watched. It was a gratuitous attack on Pence who has never mentioned Pete's sexuality or marriage choice.So you are giving Pence a pass for his anti-homosexual views, because he didn't cast them directly at Mayor Pete. Why?
What you call "ant-homosexual views" are Pence's consistent religious beliefs. His views are his views...which is can have all day long. What he can't have, are alternative facts, regarding this issue.
Had Pence initiated the debate, I'd agree with your characterization. Pence started this debate ages ago....who he is debating, imo, is irrelevant.
You asked about Pete. You keep making it about Pence, who did not engage Pete.
Keep setting up strawman windmills to joust.
Based on yesterday's speech, it looks like Pete realized the downside of attacking Pence & didn't do it again.

It undermines his "live & let live" image by dragging Pence into a debate.
Which will lose him some Trump voters he could win.For those in the #ABT camp, the Mayor will be fine
He's already got their votes just by letting his lifestyle speak for him. If he stay's with his previous "live & let live" message, he'll pick up a lot of Trump voters who aren't there because they agree with Pence on this issue.
Until he dragged Pence into it, I admired the way he handled the issue.
Now, he's playing the victim, using Pence as a strawman persecutor.

I was liking him a lot, until he pulled this stunt.
Makes me wonder if he's really any different than his fellow (D) wannabe victims.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pm
Makes me wonder if he's really any different than his fellow (D) wannabe victims.

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:59 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pm
Makes me wonder if he's really any different than his fellow (D) wannabe victims.

Like the "war on Christmas" or the "war on conservatives?"

Did you know how mean professors are to conservatives in colleges around our nation? FoxNations sez they're super mean.

Did you also know how mean the media is to Trump? Poor guy.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:37 pm There are Evangelicals who are not anti-gay who voted for Trump (as opposed to Hillary) who could be won back by Mayer Pete and his socialism lite coupled with his true Christianity.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:36 pm I mean the Trump voters & FNC viewers who could vote for him --
if he stays on the high road, doesn't play the victim, & doesn't start wedding cake battles.

Stick with the pics in combat gear from outside the wire & it becomes a non-issue.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:52 pm What's #ADT ? If JD Vance supports Pete, you'll know he can get the #ABT (anybody but Trump) vote.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:37 pm There are Evangelicals who are not anti-gay who voted for Trump (as opposed to Hillary) who could be won back by Mayer Pete and his socialism lite coupled with his true Christianity.

...& there's no need to attack Pence to attract those voters. By virtue of the fact they're not anti-gay, they are tolerant, & they don't welcome intolerance to Pences's beliefs or to Pete's beliefs.

Pete didn't make his attack on Pence before a national audience.
Let's see if he renews the strategy & before what audience.

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:49 pm FNC viewers? Lost cause, and then some.
You can't get upset when he brings that up.....unless you think his rights don't matter.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:13 pm A lot I've seen about him, so far, I like. He does not need to play the gay victim.
I just think it will hurt him more than it helps him in a campaign for national office.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:13 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:49 pm FNC viewers? Lost cause, and then some.
You can't get upset when he brings that up.....unless you think his rights don't matter.

Lost cause ? That's why Bernie's holding a town hall on FNC.

Pete's rights are not being infringed upon?
Did Pence refuse to sell him a wedding cake ?

I'm not upset. I'm still trying to figure Pete out & learn more about him.
A lot I've seen about him, so far, I like. He does not need to play the gay victim.
I just think it will hurt him more than it helps him in a campaign for national office.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:57 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:37 pm There are Evangelicals who are not anti-gay who voted for Trump (as opposed to Hillary) who could be won back by Mayer Pete and his socialism lite coupled with his true Christianity.

...& there's no need to attack Pence to attract those voters. By virtue of the fact they're not anti-gay, they are tolerant, & they don't welcome intolerance to Pences's beliefs or to Pete's beliefs.

Pete didn't make his attack on Pence before a national audience.
Let's see if he renews the strategy & before what audience.

Sure there is - get the Faux News crowd to notice. By taking on Pence the Mayor is guaranteed eyeballs. Democratic Christianity vs Trumpnista Christianity. Excellent tactical move.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:40 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:13 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:49 pm FNC viewers? Lost cause, and then some.
You can't get upset when he brings that up.....unless you think his rights don't matter.

Lost cause ? That's why Bernie's holding a town hall on FNC.

Pete's rights are not being infringed upon?
Did Pence refuse to sell him a wedding cake ?

I'm not upset. I'm still trying to figure Pete out & learn more about him.
A lot I've seen about him, so far, I like. He does not need to play the gay victim.
I just think it will hurt him more than it helps him in a campaign for national office.

Salty, you keep defending Pence as if he's actually worthy of defense on this issue.

So what if he has religious views? No one's sweating his religious views.
It's not his views that restrict the rights of others, it's his politics.
He has a long history of working against gay rights.

Note, Pence is a politician with a history.
Talk about 'victimhood', can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

What I really liked about how Mayor Pete went at this issue was the positivism, the lack of victimhood, the embrace of who he is and how he sees the world. He did it in all sorts of ways, making clear the distinction between how he sees the world and how Trump and Pence see the world.

On this particular issue, Pence has made it about 'religion', ''his religious views', as if that somehow makes it perfectly fine to discriminate, not just in one's own preferences, but in setting policies for others. Anyone gay living in Indiana knew that Pence was an enemy of their aspirations, indeed that's why he was picked to run as VP, to try to prove to the evangelical right that Trump would be with them on policy, on judges, etc.

Mayor Pete knows darn well that there's a slice of America who will never vote for him because he's gay, but he also knows there's a slice right next to them who may be among the persuadable. These folks have a relatively unconscious bias that, if unaddressed, will leave them in the camp not voting for him. But by tackling it right up front, surfacing it right now, it has a chance of being a non-issue to those persuadable folks down the stretch.

And it sends a message to the Dems that he's going to be able to make these contrasts with Trump/Pence in a positive way.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:45 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:40 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:13 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:49 pm FNC viewers? Lost cause, and then some.
You can't get upset when he brings that up.....unless you think his rights don't matter.

Lost cause ? That's why Bernie's holding a town hall on FNC.

Pete's rights are not being infringed upon?
Did Pence refuse to sell him a wedding cake ?

I'm not upset. I'm still trying to figure Pete out & learn more about him.
A lot I've seen about him, so far, I like. He does not need to play the gay victim.
I just think it will hurt him more than it helps him in a campaign for national office.

Salty, you keep defending Pence as if he's actually worthy of defense on this issue.

So what if he has religious views? No one's sweating his religious views.
It's not his views that restrict the rights of others, it's his politics.
He has a long history of working against gay rights.

Note, Pence is a politician with a history.
Talk about 'victimhood', can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

What I really liked about how Mayor Pete went at this issue was the positivism, the lack of victimhood, the embrace of who he is and how he sees the world. He did it in all sorts of ways, making clear the distinction between how he sees the world and how Trump and Pence see the world.

On this particular issue, Pence has made it about 'religion', ''his religious views', as if that somehow makes it perfectly fine to discriminate, not just in one's own preferences, but in setting policies for others. Anyone gay living in Indiana knew that Pence was an enemy of their aspirations, indeed that's why he was picked to run as VP, to try to prove to the evangelical right that Trump would be with them on policy, on judges, etc.

Mayor Pete knows darn well that there's a slice of America who will never vote for him because he's gay, but he also knows there's a slice right next to them who may be among the persuadable. These folks have a relatively unconscious bias that, if unaddressed, will leave them in the camp not voting for him. But by tackling it right up front, surfacing it right now, it has a chance of being a non-issue to those persuadable folks down the stretch.

And it sends a message to the Dems that he's going to be able to make these contrasts with Trump/Pence in a positive way.

Blah, blah, blah. Save a lot of bandwidth & show us where Pence ever criticized Pete for his sexuality, marriage, or religion.
I'm not defending Pence. I'm calling it as I see it. This disappoints me & diminishes Pete in my eyes. He doesn't need to play the victim.

Like Pete, you're just trying to pick a fight, so you can virtue signal & show us how enlightened you are.
Pence is not discriminating. Marriage is social compact defined by law.
Pence has his own religious views. The First Amendment still applies.
Pence publicly praised Pete when he came out in 2015.

This is a stunt. Pete needs to call out Obama & the Clintons too.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... -marriage/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... -marriage/

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:07 am .. I'm sure you'd be as critical of Pence & his religious beliefs if he were a Muslim rather than an Evangelical Christian.

In 2010, Pence told CNN he did not want to see the military become “a backdrop for social experimentation.”

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:45 pm This is a stunt. Pete needs to call out Obama & the Clintons too.