old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:29 pm
holmes435 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:58 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:26 pm
Nobody's picking on Mayor Pete, so he's picking a fight with Pence so he can be the aggrieved party.
Trying way too hard.
Did you watch the video, or read the various quotes? The only one trying too hard to make this a big deal is you.
Yes I watched. It was a gratuitous attack on Pence who has never mentioned Pete's sexuality or marriage choice.
It undermines his "live & let live" image by dragging Pence into a debate.
Until he dragged Pence into it, I admired the way he handled the issue.
Now, he's playing the victim, using Pence as a strawman persecutor.
I was liking him a lot, until he pulled this stunt.
Makes me wonder if he's really any different than his fellow (D) wannabe victims.
See, I saw it exactly the opposite way. Watched it live.
What I saw, in the speech officially opening his campaign and thus watched by many, was a guy who flipped the script on those who think Mayor Pete's gay marriage would be a liability in a run for the Presidency.
Isn't that the biggest question on people's minds? Whether voters in America are really ready to vote for a gay man? Or is it age? On both, he flipped the script.
On his marriage, he repeatedly talked about his husband and what that relationship means to him. Reminded me of Jack Ryan's advice to POTUS in Patriot Games.
It's not 'personal' between Pete and Mike, nor does it need to be.
It's simply that Pence personifies anti-gay marriage politics, currently occupying the second highest office in the land. He represents that wing of the Trumpist party, those who hold their noses at Trump's, shall we say, "indiscretions", in return for judges who are opposed to abortion rights and gay marriage. That's Pence's role in the Administration, to personify that part of the religious right. That's what got him the gig. Absolutely nothing else (other than be a willing toady).
Mayor Pete is going right after that position by unapologetically presenting himself as a religious, faithfully married gay man, not just to liberals, but to young evangelicals who are far more open on these issues than their elders.
Pence needn't have said anything ever about Mayor Pete individually, he's just been a consistent opponent of gay rights. Claims that as a religious view (which is fine, believe whatever you want
for yourself). But then turns around and is very political with those views. Well, you really can't have it both ways when you actually take votes and campaign on policies of discrimination. That's when your 'religious views' impact others.
"Religious and faith" used to cut it, but Mayor Pete's peeling off younger evangelicals. He's taking it head on, right from the outset.
He did a very similar move on his relative youth.
