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Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:34 pm
by Matnum PI
UNC is currently the best team in NCAA Lacrosse. Chris Gray goes down, still the best? Still beat High Point? etc. They're not nearly as good. And the pundits will express this. Then, Gray is back. the pundits should go back to seeing what they saw. and they would. yet, with JHU, even though they were legit with Epstein, they still treat JHU like they're Epstein-less. It's silly...
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:34 pm
by 10stone5
jhu08 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:26 pm
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:22 pm
Talent and coaches to shape and steer the talent. JHU has both. And, still, so much hate. I don't get it...
Most people have a short memory. You’re only as good as your last few games.
I’m not seeing all that much hate,
maybe my Hate-o-Meter is off.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:35 pm
by jhu08
I don’t necessarily perceive hate either. We weren’t very good last year to deserve to be ranked higher. It is what it is.
I see potential in this team to do better things that what is projected of us, but it’s only potential right now.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:41 pm
by wgdsr
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:22 pm
Talent and coaches to shape and steer the talent. JHU has both. And, still, so much hate. I don't get it...
huh? where has there been hate, of late? on what date?
another site? might follow.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:52 pm
by Matnum PI
Look at the B1G Rankings above. Look at the National Rankings...
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:53 pm
by wgdsr
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:34 pm
UNC is currently the best team in NCAA Lacrosse. Chris Gray goes down, still the best? Still beat High Point? etc. They're not nearly as good. And the pundits will express this. Then, Gray is back. the pundits should go back to seeing what they saw. and they would. yet, with JHU, even though they were legit with Epstein, they still treat JHU like they're Epstein-less. It's silly...
gray played pretty poorly against high point. they still won. who are the pundits?
hopkins was 8 and 8 in 2019.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:58 pm
by Matnum PI
...and beat UMD twice as well as UNC. JHU was good. Top 10.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:58 pm
by wgdsr
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:52 pm
Look at the B1G Rankings above. Look at the National Rankings...
they're 10 and 12 the last 2 years.
you just mocked su as defending champs when all they did was just finish as the number one ranked, undefeated team last year. and what, someone backed them is the crime? and it looks like you're not alone.
it's a fresh season. they get a chance to tear it up soon enough.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:59 pm
by wgdsr
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:58 pm
...and beat UMD twice as well as UNC. JHU was good. Top 10.
don't bogart all of that.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:01 pm
by primitiveskills
Outside of the "superteams" (those that loaded up with all kinds of transfer talent over the past 2 seasons.... UNC, Duke, Maryland), I have no idea how to assess everyone else, given the truncation of last season, the strange COVID-y beginning to this season, no Ivy lacrosse, and other variables (new FO rule, new coaches, etc). And neither do the pundits.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:04 pm
by HopFan16
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:58 pm
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:52 pm
Look at the B1G Rankings above. Look at the National Rankings...
they're 10 and 12 the last 2 years.
I took his comment to mean within the Big Ten specifically. Rutgers was 9-12 the last two years and 2-4 in the conference including a loss to Hopkins. The Jays were 4-3 in the conference in 2019. And yet the overwhelming consensus in the preseason polls is that Rutgers is higher both nationally and in the conference. Again—I'm fine with it. It's nitpicking. They'll have their chances to prove it on the field. But I absolutely think there is an argument to be made that not enough people are factoring in Epstein's healthy return to the lineup. We'll know soon enough.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:11 pm
by Matnum PI
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:58 pm
...you just mocked su as defending champs when all they did was just finish as the number one ranked, undefeated team last year. and what, someone backed them is the crime? and it looks like you're not alone...
First, I'm an SU fan (as well as other teams). With this said, SU was 5-0 and their three best wins were against Army, Hobart, and JHU (who was struggling). Cornell was 5-0 and they beat PSU, OSU, and Albany. (From where I'm sitting, I thought Cornell should've been #1.) UNC was 7-0 and beat Denver (and JHU). P'ton was 5-0 and beat UVA (and JHU). My point being that SU was *for sure* not clearly the top team in the country. None the less, even though the season stopped at a completely random point in the season and even for this random, it wasn't clear that SU was #1 and, none the less, people say, SU was #1 in 2020! i find this ridiculous.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:13 pm
by DocBarrister
The pre-season disrespect doesn’t bother me.
If the Blue Jays beat Ohio State on Saturday, the respect will come.
This is a talented team. If they can come together as a team, Hopkins will be a tough out for any opponent.
DocBarrister
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:14 pm
by Matnum PI
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:04 pm
I took his comment to mean within the Big Ten specifically. Rutgers was 9-12 the last two years and 2-4 in the conference including a loss to Hopkins. The Jays were 4-3 in the conference in 2019. And yet the overwhelming consensus in the preseason polls is that Rutgers is higher both nationally and in the conference. Again—I'm fine with it. It's nitpicking. They'll have their chances to prove it on the field. But I absolutely think there is an argument to be made that not enough people are factoring in Epstein's healthy return to the lineup. We'll know soon enough.
2020 was cut short. In 2019, JHU lost 17-18 to PSU in the B1G Finals. And look at their Ranking in 2021. People forgot about Epstein...
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:15 pm
by Matnum PI
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:13 pm
The pre-season disrespect doesn’t bother me.
doesn't bother me either. just don't understand it...
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:17 pm
by wgdsr
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:11 pm
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:58 pm
...you just mocked su as defending champs when all they did was just finish as the number one ranked, undefeated team last year. and what, someone backed them is the crime? and it looks like you're not alone...
First, I'm an SU fan (as well as other teams). With this said, SU was 5-0 and their three best wins were against Army, Hobart, and JHU (who was struggling). Cornell was 5-0 and they beat PSU, OSU, and Albany. (From where I'm sitting, I thought Cornell should've been #1.) UNC was 7-0 and beat Denver (and JHU). P'ton was 5-0 and beat UVA (and JHU). My point being that SU was *for sure* not clearly the top team in the country. None the less, even though the season stopped at a completely random point in the season and even for this random, it wasn't clear that SU was #1 and, none the less, people say, SU was #1 in 2020! i find this ridiculous.
who says this?
btw, they're preseason #3 or 4 in a lot of polls in their own conference. it's preseason. no one cares. well, almost no one.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:21 pm
by Matnum PI
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:17 pm
who says this?
I've watched most of the D1 Men's games since the season started. I've heard it 2-3 times during the commentary.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:24 pm
by wgdsr
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:21 pm
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:17 pm
who says this?
I've watched most of the D1 Men's games since the season started. I've heard it 2-3 times during the commentary.
"pundits".
they talk about wives giving haircuts and course curriculums when teams are riding for 4th quarter goals. don't note when a top attackman is out of the game for over a half except thinking he's on manup.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:32 pm
by WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:21 pm
my point is that i don't think the jays are down. somehow SU won the National C'ship last season and JHU became a fledgling program... which simply aren't true. this season needs to start...!
SU won the championship last season?
In what imaginary universe was that? 1990?
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:31 pm
by blue angels
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:32 pm
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:21 pm
my point is that i don't think the jays are down. somehow SU won the National C'ship last season and JHU became a fledgling program... which simply aren't true. this season needs to start...!
SU won the championship last season?
In what imaginary universe was that? 1990?
Why don't you read his whole post and it might make sense to you........