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Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:20 pm
by wgdsr
getting the big red dig in. i'm here for it.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:26 pm
by blue angels
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:34 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:01 am
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:42 am
AreaLax wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:30 am
He is re-class. Could be the UVA is stacking so many higher stars that he going the PG route to try and get playing time.
the push forward has been part of the discussion here.
He isn’t re-classing to look good against younger kids.
Right.
He already has the commitment, apparently.
If there was transparency about age and other attributes, it might well be obvious as to the logic of taking an extra year before college.
Could be he's relatively young, could be he'd benefit from more advanced academic preparation, who knows...it's a different path than doing a red shirt year, which is the more usual option if a coach simply wants to stockpile a player.
He is a legacy and apparently turned down offers from Georgetown, Notre Dame, Cornell and Hop to reclassify and go where he wanted. Good for him........
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:27 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:20 pm
getting the big red dig in. i'm here for it.
No. Not at all. Had I mentioned Pannell’s late withdrawal and return to Cornell for another year, that would have been a dig.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:31 pm
by BigTom5
Crease Crank wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:29 am
BigTom5 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:27 am
Crease Crank wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:10 am
UVA must be giving away some major NIL deals? Any insight from the posters?
Or it’s a destination with a championship pedigree, great coaches, top tier academics, and a fun social scene that allow it to win recruiting battles against schools that offer more money.
No doubt that Charlottesville is exactly what you outlined. BUT the decommits from other historic programs to UVA is interesting.
Lots of other schools offer the same type of environment that you detailed. Not enough scholarships to go around in lacrosse so maybe the families are just willing to pay the tuition cost. Not so sure that's the case but could be....
Call me biased, but I wouldn’t say LOTS of other schools have the same type of environment as noted above. Even Duke, who is probably the most comparable program, has a competitive disadvantage with staff uncertainty given their aging head coach and unclear succession plan.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:39 pm
by ABClaxfan
blue angels wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:26 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:34 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:01 am
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:42 am
AreaLax wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:30 am
He is re-class. Could be the UVA is stacking so many higher stars that he going the PG route to try and get playing time.
the push forward has been part of the discussion here.
He isn’t re-classing to look good against younger kids.
Right.
He already has the commitment, apparently.
If there was transparency about age and other attributes, it might well be obvious as to the logic of taking an extra year before college.
Could be he's relatively young, could be he'd benefit from more advanced academic preparation, who knows...it's a different path than doing a red shirt year, which is the more usual option if a coach simply wants to stockpile a player.
He is a legacy and apparently turned down offers from Georgetown, Notre Dame, Cornell and Hop to reclassify and go where he wanted. Good for him........
This kid clearly ran into a logjam at UVA with them bringing in the #1 and #4 players who are both attack. Turned down offers as a 2024 to go where he wanted to be, didn't play down to look better
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:58 pm
by MDlaxfan76
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:07 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:05 am
Very few lax players will earn any major amounts based on their college fame.
Yes, you and I know that. But most (not all) kids have not developed that mature level of foresight, yet. And many don't know what "real" money is.
NIL deals and a minor equipment endorsement deals are true enticements to hs and college-aged kids. It's also just a piece of the equation and a tipping point for many to make a decision. And every top-tier HS player loves the ego stroke of being told that endorsements or NIL deals are a possibility. Remember, this is a generation that has been raised since birth on clicks and likes. They see lots of people with no skills earning a little bit of money as influencers and online personalities. And you don't have to be the top talent in your field to do it. All you need is one idea or schtick that gets views.
https://www.tiktok.com/@thedripking40?lang=en
True, but I think this is very likely to be small fry dough in our sport (in nearly all cases) and basically undifferentiated among top 10 perennial programs, and not likely different from next 10-20 or so....again, in lax. If you're a star player, your image, time and attention will have some small value...but not much and not hardly at all for anyone else.
But sure, if someone finds a shtick that sets him or her apart, might be some coin to be had...but for nearly all kids, it's mostly going to be avoidance of compliance issues with simple stuff as I outlined.
That'll become pretty clear, fast.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:00 pm
by MDlaxfan76
ABClaxfan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:39 pm
blue angels wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:26 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:34 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:01 am
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:42 am
AreaLax wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:30 am
He is re-class. Could be the UVA is stacking so many higher stars that he going the PG route to try and get playing time.
the push forward has been part of the discussion here.
He isn’t re-classing to look good against younger kids.
Right.
He already has the commitment, apparently.
If there was transparency about age and other attributes, it might well be obvious as to the logic of taking an extra year before college.
Could be he's relatively young, could be he'd benefit from more advanced academic preparation, who knows...it's a different path than doing a red shirt year, which is the more usual option if a coach simply wants to stockpile a player.
He is a legacy and apparently turned down offers from Georgetown, Notre Dame, Cornell and Hop to reclassify and go where he wanted. Good for him........
This kid clearly ran into a logjam at UVA with them bringing in the #1 and #4 players who are both attack. Turned down offers as a 2024 to go where he wanted to be, didn't play down to look better
Unless it's been reported otherwise, we don't know that UVA said they'd
only give him the spot if he re-classed...that might well have been entirely his and his parents call. It does happen, of course, but my hunch is it wasn't in this case...but yeah, he clearly had great options elsewhere.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:41 pm
by kramerica.inc
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:42 am
AreaLax wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:30 am
He is re-class. Could be the UVA is stacking so many higher stars that he going the PG route to try and get playing time.
the push forward has been part of the discussion here.
Never seen that move ... announced.
Sad what's becoming the "norm."
My guess is the next step is to take a true '24, and let him reclass, then do a PG year, then and Gap year, and he can then be the first 2027 commit.
I'm actually all for it- College players can continue to get older, without ruining youth and hs lax.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:43 pm
by InsiderRoll
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:41 pm
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:42 am
AreaLax wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:30 am
He is re-class. Could be the UVA is stacking so many higher stars that he going the PG route to try and get playing time.
the push forward has been part of the discussion here.
Never seen that move ... announced.
Sad what's becoming the "norm."
My guess is the next step is to take a true '24, and let him reclass, then do a PG year, then and Gap year, and he can then be the first 2027 commit.
I'm actually all for it- College players can continue to get older, without ruining youth and hs lax.
Don’t forget the redshirt year when he gets there.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:00 pm
by smoova
So, this highly-rated player is currently attending an expensive prep school and has elected to spend an additional year at the same or different expensive prep school in order to maximize his lacrosse opportunities. The greater lacrosse community considers this (and all other play-down machinations) to be a perfectly acceptable way to "game the system."
<cue Jeopardy theme music>
Alex, I'll take "Valid reasons lacrosse will never lose its elitist image" for 200 ...
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:15 pm
by smoova
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:41 pm
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:42 am
AreaLax wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:30 am
He is re-class. Could be the UVA is stacking so many higher stars that he going the PG route to try and get playing time.
the push forward has been part of the discussion here.
Never seen that move ... announced.
Sad what's becoming the "norm."
My guess is the next step is to take a true '24, and let him reclass, then do a PG year, then and Gap year, and he can then be the first 2027 commit.
I'm actually all for it- College players can continue to get older,
without ruining youth and hs lax.
FWIW, these multi-year hold backs are still playing HS lacrosse (against kids as young as 14) while they plot just the right time to flame out at their chosen DI ivory tower.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:16 pm
by kramerica.inc
Flame outs are a-ok.
Their dads can still say, "My son 'played' D1."
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:18 pm
by wgdsr
smoova wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:00 pm
So, this highly-rated player is currently attending an expensive prep school and has elected to spend an additional year at the same or different expensive prep school in order to maximize his lacrosse opportunities. The greater lacrosse community considers this (and all other play-down machinations) to be a perfectly acceptable way to "game the system."
<cue Jeopardy theme music>
Alex, I'll take "Valid reasons lacrosse will never lose its elitist image" for 200 ...
yup. there's a logjam. not like he's playing down.
some other guys just get noticed late. there's not room in the class.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:16 pm
Flame outs are a-ok.
Their dads can still say, "My son 'played' D1."
95+% of this is on coaches.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:21 pm
by smoova
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:18 pm
smoova wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:00 pm
So, this highly-rated player is currently attending an expensive prep school and has elected to spend an additional year at the same or different expensive prep school in order to maximize his lacrosse opportunities. The greater lacrosse community considers this (and all other play-down machinations) to be a perfectly acceptable way to "game the system."
<cue Jeopardy theme music>
Alex, I'll take "Valid reasons lacrosse will never lose its elitist image" for 200 ...
yup. there's a logjam. not like he's playing down.
some other guys just get noticed late. there's not room in the class.
In my book, 5 or more years playing high school lacrosse is absolutely playing down. Freshmen are 14 years old every year.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:21 pm
by oldbartman
When these players are seeking their first job in the real world, I wonder what they will tell their prospective employers graduating 3 years after the should have? "I wanted to play lacrosse at my to choice school"??? Most HR people will wonder about that persons' priorities.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:33 pm
by jersey shore lax
I am not a fan of re-classifying hold back but every family has to make the decision that is best for their kid. As far as PG'ing after HS and after they commit can be done for a few reasons, scholastics, physical maturity or straight up just about lacrosse, I know a number of kids that were told that they would have to PG if they wanted to commit to XYZ college and that was coming directly form the coach.
The one point that I think has been overlooked in all this has been the covid year, virtually everyone was given a red shirt and now there is five years worth of players fitting into a four year college career. I think when this finally plays itself out you might see some less PG's although you will still have hold backs and re-classifies.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:57 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
jersey shore lax wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:33 pm
I am not a fan of re-classifying hold back but every family has to make the decision that is best for their kid. As far as PG'ing after HS and after they commit can be done for a few reasons, scholastics, physical maturity or straight up just about lacrosse, I know a number of kids that were told that they would have to PG if they wanted to commit to XYZ college and that was coming directly form the coach.
The one point that I think has been overlooked in all this has been the covid year, virtually everyone was given a red shirt and now there is five years worth of players fitting into a four year college career. I think when this finally plays itself out you might see some less PG's although you will still have hold backs and re-classifies.
Covid pushed a lot of kids down. I personally know a 2022 that’s now a 2024 and no seat yet.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:23 pm
by wgdsr
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:57 pm
jersey shore lax wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:33 pm
I am not a fan of re-classifying hold back but every family has to make the decision that is best for their kid. As far as PG'ing after HS and after they commit can be done for a few reasons, scholastics, physical maturity or straight up just about lacrosse, I know a number of kids that were told that they would have to PG if they wanted to commit to XYZ college and that was coming directly form the coach.
The one point that I think has been overlooked in all this has been the covid year, virtually everyone was given a red shirt and now there is five years worth of players fitting into a four year college career. I think when this finally plays itself out you might see some less PG's although you will still have hold backs and re-classifies.
Covid pushed a lot of kids down. I personally know a 2022 that’s now a 2024 and no seat yet.
is that because the '23s pg'd?
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:33 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:23 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:57 pm
jersey shore lax wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:33 pm
I am not a fan of re-classifying hold back but every family has to make the decision that is best for their kid. As far as PG'ing after HS and after they commit can be done for a few reasons, scholastics, physical maturity or straight up just about lacrosse, I know a number of kids that were told that they would have to PG if they wanted to commit to XYZ college and that was coming directly form the coach.
The one point that I think has been overlooked in all this has been the covid year, virtually everyone was given a red shirt and now there is five years worth of players fitting into a four year college career. I think when this finally plays itself out you might see some less PG's although you will still have hold backs and re-classifies.
Covid pushed a lot of kids down. I personally know a 2022 that’s now a 2024 and no seat yet.
is that because the '23s pg'd?
Partly. Parents started scrambling with COVID-19. Some hoping to avoid the grad transfer bubble.
Re: Recruiting, the exact science
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:36 pm
by wgdsr
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:33 pm
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:23 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:57 pm
jersey shore lax wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:33 pm
I am not a fan of re-classifying hold back but every family has to make the decision that is best for their kid. As far as PG'ing after HS and after they commit can be done for a few reasons, scholastics, physical maturity or straight up just about lacrosse, I know a number of kids that were told that they would have to PG if they wanted to commit to XYZ college and that was coming directly form the coach.
The one point that I think has been overlooked in all this has been the covid year, virtually everyone was given a red shirt and now there is five years worth of players fitting into a four year college career. I think when this finally plays itself out you might see some less PG's although you will still have hold backs and re-classifies.
Covid pushed a lot of kids down. I personally know a 2022 that’s now a 2024 and no seat yet.
is that because the '23s pg'd?
Partly. Parents started scrambling with COVID-19. Some hoping to avoid the grad transfer bubble.
maybe instead that aspirations are too high. there are 3 strikes for a reason, can't have one batter up there all day like cricket.
you should tell them that all the freshman 2020 year guys come off the books in 2024. could be a sign.