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Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:36 pm That's one good thing. We're not dealing with this in a vacuum. We can learn from other countries.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:54 pm Trump said a month ago nobody had heard of it....

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:02 pm Update: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

Trinity wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:11 pm : “Haseltine called the ‘the unavailability of test kits in the United States’ a ‘serious failure of government,’ noting that authorities ‘had two-and-a-half months of warning before we really needed it, and we didn’t do a thing.’”

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:11 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:02 pm Update: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Is that link different from this site info?

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:20 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:11 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:02 pm Update: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Is that link different from this site info?

Thanks.
This was just a google sheet I created. I had not seen the one you linked. On quick glance, I did not see the death rate shown on the one you linked.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:51 pm

3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:42 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:47 pm

3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:33 pm Help the handicapped, here?

I've read all I can find on this covid19 mess, and all I can conclude is that the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or pneumonia which is not lethal to anyone except the elderly and those with compromised immune systems.

Not too dissimilar to the H1N1 virus we slogged through 10 years ago. Nothing got closed, so most of us don't remember that as well as we're gonna remember this COVID19 catastrophe

However, we are now shutting boarding schools and restaurants and just heard from a friend in Nevada who is proud of herself that she organized a 'social distancing line' outside her Smiths Grocery so the line waiting to be one of the 25 allowed in wouldn't get too close to each other.

Are we as a nation actually becoming sensitive to the peculiar needs of the old and infirm? If so, I'm delighted! Obviously this is gonna result in suppressed economic activity, and so I conclude that the White House is convinced.

What am I missing?

What you’re missing is that this novel coronavirus has a much higher mortality rate than H1N1. If the same number of Americans become infected with the novel coronavirus as they did with H1N1 (over 60 million Americans), then we could potentially see between 120,000 to 600,000 Americans dead from the pandemic.

Fortunately, that worst case scenario won’t happen due to the extraordinary measures being taken.

Also, it’s important to prevent infection of young, healthy individuals, as they can become vectors for infecting more vulnerable segments of the population.

DocBarrister

So what you're saying is that, as I presumed, the sick and the elderly will get their call to the end game because we don't have specific pharmaceutical tools to save them. But we can reduce this count by having their loved ones and service personnel 'self-quarantined' until the threat has evaporated.

Here's my next question:

I'm guessing it'll be 12 to 18 months before we discover a vaccine or cure for this. Or only hope is to squeeze this virus by denying it a chance to find new hosts. Right?

So we all gotta stay 6 feet away from anyone we don't live with for better than a year?

We might as well be in the Middle Ages when it comes to anti-viral therapy. A safe and effective vaccine is probably at least a year away.

As more people get infected and recover, most will have developed some immunity to the virus (obviously, if they haven’t succumbed to the virus). So, eventually, the social distancing measures will become less necessary.

However, these viruses have a tendency to mutate, so ....

DocBarrister

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:41 pm For the record, Kramerica created this thread on January 28th. Almost 2 months ago. And, very early on, the discussions within this thread spoke explicitly to the threat of this virus to Americans. We were not blindsided by this.

Bart wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:55 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:51 pm

3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:42 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:47 pm

3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:33 pm Help the handicapped, here?

I've read all I can find on this covid19 mess, and all I can conclude is that the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or pneumonia which is not lethal to anyone except the elderly and those with compromised immune systems.

Not too dissimilar to the H1N1 virus we slogged through 10 years ago. Nothing got closed, so most of us don't remember that as well as we're gonna remember this COVID19 catastrophe

However, we are now shutting boarding schools and restaurants and just heard from a friend in Nevada who is proud of herself that she organized a 'social distancing line' outside her Smiths Grocery so the line waiting to be one of the 25 allowed in wouldn't get too close to each other.

Are we as a nation actually becoming sensitive to the peculiar needs of the old and infirm? If so, I'm delighted! Obviously this is gonna result in suppressed economic activity, and so I conclude that the White House is convinced.

What am I missing?

What you’re missing is that this novel coronavirus has a much higher mortality rate than H1N1. If the same number of Americans become infected with the novel coronavirus as they did with H1N1 (over 60 million Americans), then we could potentially see between 120,000 to 600,000 Americans dead from the pandemic.

Fortunately, that worst case scenario won’t happen due to the extraordinary measures being taken.

Also, it’s important to prevent infection of young, healthy individuals, as they can become vectors for infecting more vulnerable segments of the population.

DocBarrister

So what you're saying is that, as I presumed, the sick and the elderly will get their call to the end game because we don't have specific pharmaceutical tools to save them. But we can reduce this count by having their loved ones and service personnel 'self-quarantined' until the threat has evaporated.

Here's my next question:

I'm guessing it'll be 12 to 18 months before we discover a vaccine or cure for this. Or only hope is to squeeze this virus by denying it a chance to find new hosts. Right?

So we all gotta stay 6 feet away from anyone we don't live with for better than a year?

We might as well be in the Middle Ages when it comes to anti-viral therapy. A safe and effective vaccine is probably at least a year away.

As more people get infected and recover, most will have developed some immunity to the virus (obviously, if they haven’t succumbed to the virus). So, eventually, the social distancing measures will become less necessary.

However, these viruses have a tendency to mutate, so ....

DocBarrister

Viruses do have a tendency to mutate but these mutations are predominantly detrimental to the virus and those mutated individuals usually die off. We have no clue as to how this particular virus will mutate, yes there are two "strains" but the genetic composition of the two is very very small and according to an article I read any difference in virulence is a statistical anomaly. Time will tell on this.

If a vaccine is developed the viral genome will probably need to change significantly for it to be ineffective (the target protein will need to change alot). It could happen but there are many RNA viruses that have not become immune to vaccine therapy like the measles and mumps. The flu however seems to mutate with quite good results but even then the vaccines while not perfect provide a measure of protection as the majority of the genome is similar enough to have cross reactivity. Again time will tell but I think chances are good we have a good vaccine (I do not work in this field but am an optimist on this one)

3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:52 pm

Bart wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:55 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:51 pm

3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:42 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:47 pm

3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:33 pm Help the handicapped, here?

I've read all I can find on this covid19 mess, and all I can conclude is that the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or pneumonia which is not lethal to anyone except the elderly and those with compromised immune systems.

Not too dissimilar to the H1N1 virus we slogged through 10 years ago. Nothing got closed, so most of us don't remember that as well as we're gonna remember this COVID19 catastrophe

However, we are now shutting boarding schools and restaurants and just heard from a friend in Nevada who is proud of herself that she organized a 'social distancing line' outside her Smiths Grocery so the line waiting to be one of the 25 allowed in wouldn't get too close to each other.

Are we as a nation actually becoming sensitive to the peculiar needs of the old and infirm? If so, I'm delighted! Obviously this is gonna result in suppressed economic activity, and so I conclude that the White House is convinced.

What am I missing?

What you’re missing is that this novel coronavirus has a much higher mortality rate than H1N1. If the same number of Americans become infected with the novel coronavirus as they did with H1N1 (over 60 million Americans), then we could potentially see between 120,000 to 600,000 Americans dead from the pandemic.

Fortunately, that worst case scenario won’t happen due to the extraordinary measures being taken.

Also, it’s important to prevent infection of young, healthy individuals, as they can become vectors for infecting more vulnerable segments of the population.

DocBarrister

So what you're saying is that, as I presumed, the sick and the elderly will get their call to the end game because we don't have specific pharmaceutical tools to save them. But we can reduce this count by having their loved ones and service personnel 'self-quarantined' until the threat has evaporated.

Here's my next question:

I'm guessing it'll be 12 to 18 months before we discover a vaccine or cure for this. Or only hope is to squeeze this virus by denying it a chance to find new hosts. Right?

So we all gotta stay 6 feet away from anyone we don't live with for better than a year?

We might as well be in the Middle Ages when it comes to anti-viral therapy. A safe and effective vaccine is probably at least a year away.

As more people get infected and recover, most will have developed some immunity to the virus (obviously, if they haven’t succumbed to the virus). So, eventually, the social distancing measures will become less necessary.

However, these viruses have a tendency to mutate, so ....

DocBarrister

Viruses do have a tendency to mutate but these mutations are predominantly detrimental to the virus and those mutated individuals usually die off. We have no clue as to how this particular virus will mutate, yes there are two "strains" but the genetic composition of the two is very very small and according to an article I read any difference in virulence is a statistical anomaly. Time will tell on this.

If a vaccine is developed the viral genome will probably need to change significantly for it to be ineffective (the target protein will need to change alot). It could happen but there are many RNA viruses that have not become immune to vaccine therapy like the measles and mumps. The flu however seems to mutate with quite good results but even then the vaccines while not perfect provide a measure of protection as the majority of the genome is similar enough to have cross reactivity. Again time will tell but I think chances are good we have a good vaccine (I do not work in this field but am an optimist on this one)

So we have a virus that has already mutated some and is likely to mutate more, so, we're up against a moving target, with the lives of our older friends and our friends who are fighting cancers etc. in the balance.

Our job as mere carriers is to stay out of circulation. Gramma is in the balance, as are all our friends wrestling with cancer.

Okay.....

Last question: If I get a sore throat and a cough and a fever, should I just stay put or should I sneak into my doctors office or should I broadcast that I may be lit up and everybody who even might have swept by me at CostCo should hunker down?

I'm serious! I spent the weekend of March 6 through 8 being a ref on U14 and U12 fields in Vegas. Kids from Atlanta to Texas to San Diego to Canada did the respectful thing post game and came by to shake hands with the officials. No, I didn't have an opportunity between games to scrub my hands.

I feel like Typhoid Mary. With stripes. It's hard to shoo off a kid who is joining our little puddle and refuse even a high five.

There are apparently medical professionals here on this site. TELL ME WHAT TO DO. PLEASE.