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[jhu72]

White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham added, "I worked with John Kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President."

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/26/politi ... cnn.com%2F

This is the kind of statement one would expect from the dictatorship of Kim Jong Un, not the White House.

It’s pretty clear that both Trump and The Party of Stupid that supports him are trending towards authoritarianism and blatant criminality. Trump and the Republican Party are the biggest threat to the future of American democracy and our nation’s prosperity. Both need to be defeated in 2020 before it’s too late to save our nation from the MAGA idiots.

DocBarrister

Don't really care for Kelly anymore than I do Trump. Both are "I did" kind of characters.

[DocBarrister]

Good news. Full stop.

Unfortunately, we're in this awful climate in which we're throwing bricks all the time.

I thought it was unseemly that folks around Obama (I don't recall him personally doing this) saying "Obama killed Bin Laden". Taking personal credit for something that at best should be said as a "we" or better yet, our military and intelligence community successfully removed Bin Laden. Give credit to others, not oneself.

It's been quite weird, downright gross in my book, this past week in the way Trump has talked about his individual role re ISIS and his dismissal of the sacrifices of others.

I write this prior to Trump's press conference this AM or any subsequent tweets, press gaggles, etc.

Did you see how Trump praised Russia, disparaged Democrats, and suggested this was more important than killing bin Laden?

Stop with the false equivalencies. Bricks are being thrown Trump’s way because he deserves to have bricks thrown his way. As a lifelong Republican, you should be embarrassed by this so-called president and your party’s role in putting him in power.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

Critics of the president’s decision to withdraw American forces quickly argued that the operation took place in spite of, not because of, Mr. Trump and that if the military had not slow-rolled his plan to withdraw, the raid would not have been possible. Rather than justifying a pullout, they said, the raid underscored the importance of maintaining an American military presence in Syria and Iraq to keep pressure on the Islamic State.

“We must keep in mind that we were able to strike Baghdadi because we had forces in the region,” said Representative Michael Waltz, Republican of Florida and a former Army Green Beret. “We must keep ISIS from returning by staying on offense.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/27/us/p ... e=Homepage

Notable that a Republican took the opportunity to criticize Trump’s reckless, impulsive withdrawal from Syria.

Also notable ... Trump praised Russia more than the Kurds, despite the fact that the Kurds were apparently key to locating Baghdadi.

Go ahead ... tell me Trump isn’t beholden to Putin.

DocBarrister

[seacoaster]

Good news. Full stop.

Unfortunately, we're in this awful climate in which we're throwing bricks all the time.

I thought it was unseemly that folks around Obama (I don't recall him personally doing this) saying "Obama killed Bin Laden". Taking personal credit for something that at best should be said as a "we" or better yet, our military and intelligence community successfully removed Bin Laden. Give credit to others, not oneself.

It's been quite weird, downright gross in my book, this past week in the way Trump has talked about his individual role re ISIS and his dismissal of the sacrifices of others.

I write this prior to Trump's press conference this AM or any subsequent tweets, press gaggles, etc.

Did you see how Trump praised Russia, disparaged Democrats, and suggested this was more important than killing bin Laden?

Stop with the false equivalencies. Bricks are being thrown Trump’s way because he deserves to have bricks thrown his way. As a lifelong Republican, you should be embarrassed by this so-called president and your party’s role in putting him in power.

DocBarrister

I think you are throwing your hatchet at the wrong guy here, Doc. MD is remarkably consistent in condemning this President while trying to retain his traditional conservative values and Old GOP principles.

[DocBarrister]

White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham added, "I worked with John Kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President."

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/26/politi ... cnn.com%2F

This is the kind of statement one would expect from the dictatorship of Kim Jong Un, not the White House.

It’s pretty clear that both Trump and The Party of Stupid that supports him are trending towards authoritarianism and blatant criminality. Trump and the Republican Party are the biggest threat to the future of American democracy and our nation’s prosperity. Both need to be defeated in 2020 before it’s too late to save our nation from the MAGA idiots.

DocBarrister

You are seriously deranged. You are so emotional that Hillary didn’t win, it’s clouded your judgement of truth in every way, shape and form. You need to move on and accept Trump is your President. He’s doing great things for this country for people of every background, color and creed . Your brain has been filled with mush by the mainstream media. Democrats have tried everything to stop him but he keeps getting the job done. Democrats are screwed in 2020. I can sense it in your posts you are so nervous good to see you squirm for once. Adversity is good for you Mr Elitist. How’s it feel? To get owned by the truth time and time again? MAGA KAG. Better find your safe space

Listen to me carefully, Bandito ...

... put down that tube of glue you’ve been sniffing all morning ... turn off Fox News ... and put down that cat you’re strangling by the neck. The cat is not ... I repeat, is NOT, the reincarnation of George McGovern.

Now, wait quietly for those nice orderlies to “escort” you back to your room, Bandito. Do what they say and they might give you a tasty cupcake.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

Good news. Full stop.

Unfortunately, we're in this awful climate in which we're throwing bricks all the time.

I thought it was unseemly that folks around Obama (I don't recall him personally doing this) saying "Obama killed Bin Laden". Taking personal credit for something that at best should be said as a "we" or better yet, our military and intelligence community successfully removed Bin Laden. Give credit to others, not oneself.

It's been quite weird, downright gross in my book, this past week in the way Trump has talked about his individual role re ISIS and his dismissal of the sacrifices of others.

I write this prior to Trump's press conference this AM or any subsequent tweets, press gaggles, etc.

Did you see how Trump praised Russia, disparaged Democrats, and suggested this was more important than killing bin Laden?

Stop with the false equivalencies. Bricks are being thrown Trump’s way because he deserves to have bricks thrown his way. As a lifelong Republican, you should be embarrassed by this so-called president and your party’s role in putting him in power.

DocBarrister

I think you are throwing your hatchet at the wrong guy here, Doc. MD is remarkably consistent in condemning this President while trying to retain his traditional conservative values and Old GOP principles.

I know that, but which Republicans allowed a bunch of MAGA loons put Trump in power?

If MD still belongs to the Republican Party, then he still shares responsibility for fixing the debacle that is Donald Trump.

After all, we Democrats didn’t let the leftist loons nominate Bernie Sanders.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham added, "I worked with John Kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President."

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/26/politi ... cnn.com%2F

This is the kind of statement one would expect from the dictatorship of Kim Jong Un, not the White House.

It’s pretty clear that both Trump and The Party of Stupid that supports him are trending towards authoritarianism and blatant criminality. Trump and the Republican Party are the biggest threat to the future of American democracy and our nation’s prosperity. Both need to be defeated in 2020 before it’s too late to save our nation from the MAGA idiots.

DocBarrister

Don't really care for Kelly anymore than I do Trump. Both are "I did" kind of characters.

I’m not a fan of Gen. Kelly either. In my book, he was one of many enablers of Trump who failed to do enough to prevent his atrocities again humanity (locking up children, some of whom died) and utterly failing to stop his growing authoritarianism.

DocBarrister

[seacoaster]

I am a little reluctant to demonize rank and file Republicans like MDLaxfan, or centrists who seem to understand that this Presidency is really different. It is the real Trump apologists and normalizers and generators of false equivalencies that should get your condemnation. We have to find enough common ground with folks in the center and center right to remove this President.

Like you, I think the WH press secretary's comment is just disturbing. This is the way party acolytes speak about dictators, and this one uses the fulcrum of John Kelly's head to do it. I may not like John Kelly's politics, but I don't doubt his commitment to the Republic or the Constitution. My guess is the WH-PS hasn't read the Constitution all the way through once in her life. She has an interesting background:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Grisham

Only the best pipples....

[old salt]

Critics of the president’s decision to withdraw American forces quickly argued that the operation took place in spite of, not because of, Mr. Trump and that if the military had not slow-rolled his plan to withdraw, the raid would not have been possible. Rather than justifying a pullout, they said, the raid underscored the importance of maintaining an American military presence in Syria and Iraq to keep pressure on the Islamic State.

“We must keep in mind that we were able to strike Baghdadi because we had forces in the region,” said Representative Michael Waltz, Republican of Florida and a former Army Green Beret. “We must keep ISIS from returning by staying on offense.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/27/us/p ... e=Homepage

Notable that a Republican took the opportunity to criticize Trump’s reckless, impulsive withdrawal from Syria.

That's not what Rep Waltz said -- he said in "the region" not "in Syria."
Apparently the NYT does not understand that the raid to get Baghdadi was staged from NW Iraq, using forces that had not been in Syria,

[DocBarrister]

Critics of the president’s decision to withdraw American forces quickly argued that the operation took place in spite of, not because of, Mr. Trump and that if the military had not slow-rolled his plan to withdraw, the raid would not have been possible. Rather than justifying a pullout, they said, the raid underscored the importance of maintaining an American military presence in Syria and Iraq to keep pressure on the Islamic State.

“We must keep in mind that we were able to strike Baghdadi because we had forces in the region,” said Representative Michael Waltz, Republican of Florida and a former Army Green Beret. “We must keep ISIS from returning by staying on offense.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/27/us/p ... e=Homepage

Notable that a Republican took the opportunity to criticize Trump’s reckless, impulsive withdrawal from Syria.

That's not what Rep Waltz said -- he said in "the region" not "in Syria."
Apparently the NYT does not understand that the raid to get Baghdadi was staged from NW Iraq, using forces that had not been in Syria,

You really don’t bother doing your homework, do you? You can’t properly understand Rep. Waltz’s comments without understanding that Waltz has been a very vocal critic of Trump’s reckless, impulsive withdrawal from Syria.

Republican Rep. Michael Waltz said on Monday that President Trump’s decision to withdraw U.S. troops in northeastern Syria is unfolding too soon and creates wars instead of ending them.

“We’ve set the conditions for ISIS 2.0,” Waltz, R-Fla., told “America’s Newsroom.” “Except we won’t have any local allies to fight them again.”

... Waltz, a former Green Beret, went on to say, “The United States has to lead, and when we create a vacuum, bad actors and bad things happen and fill the void.”

https://www.foxnews.com/media/rep-micha ... r-isis-2-0



DocBarrister

[runrussellrun]

Critics of the president’s decision to withdraw American forces quickly argued that the operation took place in spite of, not because of, Mr. Trump and that if the military had not slow-rolled his plan to withdraw, the raid would not have been possible. Rather than justifying a pullout, they said, the raid underscored the importance of maintaining an American military presence in Syria and Iraq to keep pressure on the Islamic State.

“We must keep in mind that we were able to strike Baghdadi because we had forces in the region,” said Representative Michael Waltz, Republican of Florida and a former Army Green Beret. “We must keep ISIS from returning by staying on offense.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/27/us/p ... e=Homepage

Notable that a Republican took the opportunity to criticize Trump’s reckless, impulsive withdrawal from Syria.

Also notable ... Trump praised Russia more than the Kurds, despite the fact that the Kurds were apparently key to locating Baghdadi.

Go ahead ... tell me Trump isn’t beholden to Putin.

DocBarrister

atta boy war monger........staying on the offense. Only Congress Waltz voted NO for funding the NDAA.......so confused. Is he pro military, or not?

[old salt]

Critics of the president’s decision to withdraw American forces quickly argued that the operation took place in spite of, not because of, Mr. Trump and that if the military had not slow-rolled his plan to withdraw, the raid would not have been possible. Rather than justifying a pullout, they said, the raid underscored the importance of maintaining an American military presence in Syria and Iraq to keep pressure on the Islamic State.

“We must keep in mind that we were able to strike Baghdadi because we had forces in the region,” said Representative Michael Waltz, Republican of Florida and a former Army Green Beret. “We must keep ISIS from returning by staying on offense.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/27/us/p ... e=Homepage

Notable that a Republican took the opportunity to criticize Trump’s reckless, impulsive withdrawal from Syria.

That's not what Rep Waltz said -- he said in "the region" not "in Syria."
Apparently the NYT does not understand that the raid to get Baghdadi was staged from NW Iraq, using forces that had not been in Syria,

You really don’t bother doing your homework, do you? You can’t properly understand Rep. Waltz’s comments without understanding that Waltz has been a very vocal critic of Trump’s reckless, impulsive withdrawal from Syria.

Republican Rep. Michael Waltz said on Monday that President Trump’s decision to withdraw U.S. troops in northeastern Syria is unfolding too soon and creates wars instead of ending them.

“We’ve set the conditions for ISIS 2.0,” Waltz, R-Fla., told “America’s Newsroom.” “Except we won’t have any local allies to fight them again.”

... Waltz, a former Green Beret, went on to say, “The United States has to lead, and when we create a vacuum, bad actors and bad things happen and fill the void.”

https://www.foxnews.com/media/rep-micha ... r-isis-2-0



DocBarrister

...& that didn't stop the NYT from publishing a falsely premised talking point, because this mission was launched from Iraq, using forces who had not been withdrawn from Syria.

Just like the stupid talking point of saying that Trump is sending more "troops" to the ME when we deploy 2 x F-15 squadrons to SA or a Carrier Strike Group sails into the 5th Fleet AOR.

[old salt]

Critics of the president’s decision to withdraw American forces quickly argued that the operation took place in spite of, not because of, Mr. Trump and that if the military had not slow-rolled his plan to withdraw, the raid would not have been possible. Rather than justifying a pullout, they said, the raid underscored the importance of maintaining an American military presence in Syria and Iraq to keep pressure on the Islamic State.

“We must keep in mind that we were able to strike Baghdadi because we had forces in the region,” said Representative Michael Waltz, Republican of Florida and a former Army Green Beret. “We must keep ISIS from returning by staying on offense.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/27/us/p ... e=Homepage

Notable that a Republican took the opportunity to criticize Trump’s reckless, impulsive withdrawal from Syria.

That's not what Rep Waltz said -- he said in "the region" not "in Syria."
Apparently the NYT does not understand that the raid to get Baghdadi was staged from NW Iraq, using forces that had not been in Syria,

You really don’t bother doing your homework, do you? You can’t properly understand Rep. Waltz’s comments without understanding that Waltz has been a very vocal critic of Trump’s reckless, impulsive withdrawal from Syria.

Republican Rep. Michael Waltz said on Monday that President Trump’s decision to withdraw U.S. troops in northeastern Syria is unfolding too soon and creates wars instead of ending them.

“We’ve set the conditions for ISIS 2.0,” Waltz, R-Fla., told “America’s Newsroom.” “Except we won’t have any local allies to fight them again.”

... Waltz, a former Green Beret, went on to say, “The United States has to lead, and when we create a vacuum, bad actors and bad things happen and fill the void.”

https://www.foxnews.com/media/rep-micha ... r-isis-2-0



DocBarrister

...& that didn't stop the NYT from publishing a falsely premised talking point, because this mission was launched from Iraq, using forces who had not been withdrawn from Syria.

Just like the stupid talking point of saying that Trump is sending more "troops" to the ME when we deploy 2 x F-15 squadrons to SA or a Carrier Strike Group sails into the 5th Fleet AOR.

Just heard Rep Waltz in a tv interview. He was effusive in his praise of our forces, IC, diplomats & the President.
He lauded the President's decision to launch such a risky mission rather than just bomb the compound.
No hint of negativity or sour grapes about our announced withdrawal.
Leave it to DocB & the NYT to distort it into something critical.

[wahoomurf]

This TRUMP piece of garbage IS AN EXEMPLAR OF COWARDICE. IT cries and whimpers like a beaten dog ever time IT looks in a mirror. (Apologies to Dogdom). Dogs usually TCB outside. This Trump is so nervous and frightened to hear that people don't like him , he soils his Pampers at least 3 times a day. Mulvaney and Pompeo G are tasked with the wondrous experience of wiping him clean. And are quite happy to do so.

Raise your hand if you believe THAT THING or ITS civilian aide de camp, Robert C. O'Brien actually witnessed that other cretin's suicide. As for taking BONE FRAGMENTS.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ ... 2133189938

[wahoomurf]

Will the United States of America, after their head of state, told many, many, many folks, "he's tired of his country acting as the world's police force", really going to send 14,000 troops to Saudi Arabia?

[MDlaxfan76]

Good news. Full stop.

Unfortunately, we're in this awful climate in which we're throwing bricks all the time.

I thought it was unseemly that folks around Obama (I don't recall him personally doing this) saying "Obama killed Bin Laden". Taking personal credit for something that at best should be said as a "we" or better yet, our military and intelligence community successfully removed Bin Laden. Give credit to others, not oneself.

It's been quite weird, downright gross in my book, this past week in the way Trump has talked about his individual role re ISIS and his dismissal of the sacrifices of others.

I write this prior to Trump's press conference this AM or any subsequent tweets, press gaggles, etc.

Did you see how Trump praised Russia, disparaged Democrats, and suggested this was more important than killing bin Laden?

Stop with the false equivalencies. Bricks are being thrown Trump’s way because he deserves to have bricks thrown his way. As a lifelong Republican, you should be embarrassed by this so-called president and your party’s role in putting him in power.

DocBarrister

doc,
If you have followed my posts at all, you know I don't draw any false equivalencies, nor are my opinions about the danger Trump and Trumpism represent any secret. And my views were expressed about him, early and often, pre-election and post. My prior views about him have unfortunately been proven correct.

I needn't be "embarrassed" by any aspect of Trump and Trumpism, other than as an American when interacting with citizens of other countries.

I wrote the above before his statement (which itself was ok, on script); it's good news for America and the world.

That said, I also expressed concern that he might stray from script, start using the personal pronoun "I", and make a mockery of a serious moment. And, yes, that's what he unfortunately did. And I'd predict that he'll respond to critique about doing so by doubling down, and his base will cheer his doing so.

It's really, really unfortunate. But predictable.

[MDlaxfan76]

Good news. Full stop.

Unfortunately, we're in this awful climate in which we're throwing bricks all the time.

I thought it was unseemly that folks around Obama (I don't recall him personally doing this) saying "Obama killed Bin Laden". Taking personal credit for something that at best should be said as a "we" or better yet, our military and intelligence community successfully removed Bin Laden. Give credit to others, not oneself.

It's been quite weird, downright gross in my book, this past week in the way Trump has talked about his individual role re ISIS and his dismissal of the sacrifices of others.

I write this prior to Trump's press conference this AM or any subsequent tweets, press gaggles, etc.

Did you see how Trump praised Russia, disparaged Democrats, and suggested this was more important than killing bin Laden?

Stop with the false equivalencies. Bricks are being thrown Trump’s way because he deserves to have bricks thrown his way. As a lifelong Republican, you should be embarrassed by this so-called president and your party’s role in putting him in power.

DocBarrister

I think you are throwing your hatchet at the wrong guy here, Doc. MD is remarkably consistent in condemning this President while trying to retain his traditional conservative values and Old GOP principles.

I know that, but which Republicans allowed a bunch of MAGA loons put Trump in power?

If MD still belongs to the Republican Party, then he still shares responsibility for fixing the debacle that is Donald Trump.

After all, we Democrats didn’t let the leftist loons nominate Bernie Sanders.

DocBarrister

Doc,
I certainly wish I had the power to have had, or now have, the 'responsibility' for Trump.
Unfortunately I have no more power than do you in that regard.

Listen, the problem, IMO, is that a whole bunch of Dems and I's who voted for Obama crossed over to vote for Trump, many IMO, for some really ugly reasons, others because of a rejection of the corporatist side of the Dem party, personified by HRC. Those who crossed for ugly reasons are going to stick with Trump, I am concerned about where others will land, much of which will be dependent upon who the Dems run against Trump.

R's like me supported candidates in the GOP primary who lost to Trump, IMO because the moderate end of the party was dispersed over a bunch of candidates and a bomb thrower (Trump) dominated the stage as unique. His 30-35% base consolidated, and no one else consolidated a greater cohort. I remained opposed to Trump in the general, though as a Marylander I had the luxury of voting third party as a protest vote as MD was safe for HRC.

Yes, Dems kept Bernie from being the candidate last time, but it sure looks like Warren may consolidate that wing of the Dems and the moderate wing will remain dispersed, with a relatively poor candidate (Biden) holding onto too many of such voters for someone else to emerge instead. So, the Dems are in real risk of having Warren be the standard bearer, and though I don't think she has much of HRC's other baggage, and she will be a far harder working candidate, her views/policies could easily lead to a win for Trump.

I'll vote for a piece of wood over Trump, but I think there will be many who look at Warren as a bridge too far.

[Bandito]

Quoting the Wa Po in it’s obituary section: “Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi austere religious scholar at helm of Islamic State dies at 48”. The WaPo treats terrorists better than our amazing President. Democrats are terrorist sympathizers!! On top of being the party of slavery, lynching, racism, Antifa and the KKK

[youthathletics]

Just go to twitter and search the hashtag #WaPoDeathNotices

They have done nothing but gather more support for Trump.

In my opinion, regardless of what side you are on, TWP has significantly damaged themselves with this latest antic.

By comparison: https://www.instagram.com/p/B4IyZhRH54m ... p7e8zfqst1

[a fan]

Take a look at the OBL obit.


https://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/worl ... tuary.html