laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
The way i see it, these are the most attractive schools in women's lax. when you take into account Location, Campus, overall Athletics, academic prestige, and lacrosse success
1. UNC: checks all the boxes above. You get a girl on campus and they have a hard time not committing.
2. BC: everything but location and overall athletics. Perenial power and that helps overcome other deficiencies.
3. Florida: checks Every box except for lacrosse success
4. Stanford: Everything but lacrosse success
5. UVA: UNC's less popular cousin school. Very similar. Checks everybox except for lacrosse success
6. Penn State
7. NW
8. Cuse
9. Maryland
10. Duke
Florida has always had the ability to recruit itself. Would be a perrenial recruiting powerhouse with more onfield success. Same with UVA and Stanford.
What seperates UNC and BC is the coaching that goes with the talent. You can't win on just talent alone. Exhibit Duke, stanford, Penn State, florida, etc. Absolutely necessary to maintain consistency in recruiting. All the other schools are hot and cold, alternating between great recruiting classes and not so great ones. UNC and BC is consistent greatness
Maryland is pretty low on the attractivness scale if we're being honest. They were just such a powerhouse program, that the success kind of masked everything. Without that success, we started to see the decline. But that alure still exist enough to occasionally draw excellent players. Just not what it was before
This list is lacrosse achievement heavy. Duke below Penn state and Florida? Not for a girl who is also a strong student.
Florida or Penn state or cuse or Maryland aren’t remotely the same as Duke when it comes to career opportunities and alumni network——for excellent players who are also excellent students.
On a lax only rating, maybe.
But throw in lax and academic reputation , and a duke offer is catnip to a kid that aspires to excellence in the classroom as well the lax field.
Duke is a mixed bag. Talked to some former players that appreciated the school but not the team atmosphere or how they didn’t do things. Based on the mediocre performances over the past years, I think the program has lost some luster. Starting to feel like a has-been program.
Duke is much like Stanford. Duke has that UNC appeal but lacrosse success has been lack luster for the past few years.
Location, weather and proximity to 3 key Lax hotbeds, Baltimore, Philly, the guyland, will also make Duke more attractive than Stanford.
in the past, I would have put USC on this list, but its recruiting has been constantly declining, as demonstrated by this year.
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
The way i see it, these are the most attractive schools in women's lax. when you take into account Location, Campus, overall Athletics, academic prestige, and lacrosse success
1. UNC: checks all the boxes above. You get a girl on campus and they have a hard time not committing.
2. BC: everything but location and overall athletics. Perenial power and that helps overcome other deficiencies.
3. Florida: checks Every box except for lacrosse success
4. Stanford: Everything but lacrosse success
5. UVA: UNC's less popular cousin school. Very similar. Checks everybox except for lacrosse success
6. Penn State
7. NW
8. Cuse
9. Maryland
10. Duke
Florida has always had the ability to recruit itself. Would be a perrenial recruiting powerhouse with more onfield success. Same with UVA and Stanford.
What seperates UNC and BC is the coaching that goes with the talent. You can't win on just talent alone. Exhibit Duke, stanford, Penn State, florida, etc. Absolutely necessary to maintain consistency in recruiting. All the other schools are hot and cold, alternating between great recruiting classes and not so great ones. UNC and BC is consistent greatness
Maryland is pretty low on the attractivness scale if we're being honest. They were just such a powerhouse program, that the success kind of masked everything. Without that success, we started to see the decline. But that alure still exist enough to occasionally draw excellent players. Just not what it was before
This list is lacrosse achievement heavy. Duke below Penn state and Florida? Not for a girl who is also a strong student.
Florida or Penn state or cuse or Maryland aren’t remotely the same as Duke when it comes to career opportunities and alumni network——for excellent players who are also excellent students.
On a lax only rating, maybe.
But throw in lax and academic reputation , and a duke offer is catnip to a kid that aspires to excellence in the classroom as well the lax field.
Duke is a mixed bag. Talked to some former players that appreciated the school but not the team atmosphere or how they didn’t do things. Based on the mediocre performances over the past years, I think the program has lost some luster. Starting to feel like a has-been program.
Duke is much like Stanford. Duke has that UNC appeal but lacrosse success has been lack luster for the past few years.
Location, weather and proximity to 3 key Lax hotbeds, Baltimore, Philly, the guyland, will also make Duke more attractive than Stanford.
in the past, I would have put USC on this list, but its recruiting has been constantly declining, as demonstrated by this year.
Not going to get political, but how much do you think the crime issues in major CA cities like SF and LA are hurting the recruiting? I mean a SF 49er was shot in middle of day in DT SF. Hard to send your East Coast daughters there without some pause right?
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
Florida has always been an attractive spot. And in the past O'Leary had a very close relationship with Carol Rose, which has faded due to issues well discussed on this board.
But UF isn't for everyone. A very strong off-the-field "culture", that appeals to many girls and scares many others away.
Next year, I think Florida will do very well, mainly because there are 2 top 8 clubs within 2-3 hours of campus in Eagle Stix and FL Select, and a couple other florida girls playing on top out of state clubs. I would expect UF to fill at least half its class from those 2 clubs
UF certainly has a reputation for not being a close knit roster. Very cliquish based on who plays and who doesn't.
Probably no cities are safe any more -- not just CA cities -- Chicago, Boston, DC, etc. -- but Palo Alto is one of the safest in CA. That may be the a reason for the decline -- but given the prestige of the academics -- the location to Silicon Valley and its affinity for Stanford grads -- I think the answer may be elsewhere.
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
The way i see it, these are the most attractive schools in women's lax. when you take into account Location, Campus, overall Athletics, academic prestige, and lacrosse success
1. UNC: checks all the boxes above. You get a girl on campus and they have a hard time not committing.
2. BC: everything but location and overall athletics. Perenial power and that helps overcome other deficiencies.
3. Florida: checks Every box except for lacrosse success
4. Stanford: Everything but lacrosse success
5. UVA: UNC's less popular cousin school. Very similar. Checks everybox except for lacrosse success
6. Penn State
7. NW
8. Cuse
9. Maryland
10. Duke
Florida has always had the ability to recruit itself. Would be a perrenial recruiting powerhouse with more onfield success. Same with UVA and Stanford.
What seperates UNC and BC is the coaching that goes with the talent. You can't win on just talent alone. Exhibit Duke, stanford, Penn State, florida, etc. Absolutely necessary to maintain consistency in recruiting. All the other schools are hot and cold, alternating between great recruiting classes and not so great ones. UNC and BC is consistent greatness
Maryland is pretty low on the attractivness scale if we're being honest. They were just such a powerhouse program, that the success kind of masked everything. Without that success, we started to see the decline. But that alure still exist enough to occasionally draw excellent players. Just not what it was before
This list is lacrosse achievement heavy. Duke below Penn state and Florida? Not for a girl who is also a strong student.
Florida or Penn state or cuse or Maryland aren’t remotely the same as Duke when it comes to career opportunities and alumni network——for excellent players who are also excellent students.
On a lax only rating, maybe.
But throw in lax and academic reputation , and a duke offer is catnip to a kid that aspires to excellence in the classroom as well the lax field.
I would also include Vanderbilt in group for kid looking for great academics and a great location. Not the lax pedigree of all schools mentioned above but a great choice for some.
cdb wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:31 am
Probably no cities are safe any more -- not just CA cities -- Chicago, Boston, DC, etc. -- but Palo Alto is one of the safest in CA. That may be the a reason for the decline -- but given the prestige of the academics -- the location to Silicon Valley and its affinity for Stanford grads -- I think the answer may be elsewhere.
as opposed to..when? yes crime is a problem. But the illusion that it's somehow worst is due to the fact that theres just more reporting and visibility on it. Everyone has cameras, news outlets feast on sensionalized headlines. Stats show crime has trended down overtime in most of those areas.
Those are also some of the most populated areas in the country. Millions of people. There's just going to be more going on and happening. This has never stopped any of the california schools from attracting talent before. USC is in a shady area. Still one of the best schools in the country.
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
The way i see it, these are the most attractive schools in women's lax. when you take into account Location, Campus, overall Athletics, academic prestige, and lacrosse success
1. UNC: checks all the boxes above. You get a girl on campus and they have a hard time not committing.
2. BC: everything but location and overall athletics. Perenial power and that helps overcome other deficiencies.
3. Florida: checks Every box except for lacrosse success
4. Stanford: Everything but lacrosse success
5. UVA: UNC's less popular cousin school. Very similar. Checks everybox except for lacrosse success
6. Penn State
7. NW
8. Cuse
9. Maryland
10. Duke
Florida has always had the ability to recruit itself. Would be a perrenial recruiting powerhouse with more onfield success. Same with UVA and Stanford.
What seperates UNC and BC is the coaching that goes with the talent. You can't win on just talent alone. Exhibit Duke, stanford, Penn State, florida, etc. Absolutely necessary to maintain consistency in recruiting. All the other schools are hot and cold, alternating between great recruiting classes and not so great ones. UNC and BC is consistent greatness
Maryland is pretty low on the attractivness scale if we're being honest. They were just such a powerhouse program, that the success kind of masked everything. Without that success, we started to see the decline. But that alure still exist enough to occasionally draw excellent players. Just not what it was before
This list is lacrosse achievement heavy. Duke below Penn state and Florida? Not for a girl who is also a strong student.
Florida or Penn state or cuse or Maryland aren’t remotely the same as Duke when it comes to career opportunities and alumni network——for excellent players who are also excellent students.
On a lax only rating, maybe.
But throw in lax and academic reputation , and a duke offer is catnip to a kid that aspires to excellence in the classroom as well the lax field.
Duke is a mixed bag. Talked to some former players that appreciated the school but not the team atmosphere or how they didn’t do things. Based on the mediocre performances over the past years, I think the program has lost some luster. Starting to feel like a has-been program.
Duke is much like Stanford. Duke has that UNC appeal but lacrosse success has been lack luster for the past few years.
Location, weather and proximity to 3 key Lax hotbeds, Baltimore, Philly, the guyland, will also make Duke more attractive than Stanford.
in the past, I would have put USC on this list, but its recruiting has been constantly declining, as demonstrated by this year.
Not going to get political, but how much do you think the crime issues in major CA cities like SF and LA are hurting the recruiting? I mean a SF 49er was shot in middle of day in DT SF. Hard to send your East Coast daughters there without some pause right?
5 Students were murdered in their dorms in iowa. Will that cause you to not send your daughter to school there?
Bay area has millions of people. For every cime, there are hundreds of thousands who go about their day just fine
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
Florida has always been an attractive spot. And in the past O'Leary had a very close relationship with Carol Rose, which has faded due to issues well discussed on this board.
But UF isn't for everyone. A very strong off-the-field "culture", that appeals to many girls and scares many others away.
Next year, I think Florida will do very well, mainly because there are 2 top 8 clubs within 2-3 hours of campus in Eagle Stix and FL Select, and a couple other florida girls playing on top out of state clubs. I would expect UF to fill at least half its class from those 2 clubs
UF certainly has a reputation for not being a close knit roster. Very cliquish based on who plays and who doesn't.
My point was more about the hard-drinking culture. About 2/3 of the roster including a majority of starters go out and get bombed once or twice per week. My 25 daughter went on a visit there first weekend of September and was immediately put off by girls opening talking about how drunk they would get that night.
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
The way i see it, these are the most attractive schools in women's lax. when you take into account Location, Campus, overall Athletics, academic prestige, and lacrosse success
1. UNC: checks all the boxes above. You get a girl on campus and they have a hard time not committing.
2. BC: everything but location and overall athletics. Perenial power and that helps overcome other deficiencies.
3. Florida: checks Every box except for lacrosse success
4. Stanford: Everything but lacrosse success
5. UVA: UNC's less popular cousin school. Very similar. Checks everybox except for lacrosse success
6. Penn State
7. NW
8. Cuse
9. Maryland
10. Duke
Florida has always had the ability to recruit itself. Would be a perrenial recruiting powerhouse with more onfield success. Same with UVA and Stanford.
What seperates UNC and BC is the coaching that goes with the talent. You can't win on just talent alone. Exhibit Duke, stanford, Penn State, florida, etc. Absolutely necessary to maintain consistency in recruiting. All the other schools are hot and cold, alternating between great recruiting classes and not so great ones. UNC and BC is consistent greatness
Maryland is pretty low on the attractivness scale if we're being honest. They were just such a powerhouse program, that the success kind of masked everything. Without that success, we started to see the decline. But that alure still exist enough to occasionally draw excellent players. Just not what it was before
This list is lacrosse achievement heavy. Duke below Penn state and Florida? Not for a girl who is also a strong student.
Florida or Penn state or cuse or Maryland aren’t remotely the same as Duke when it comes to career opportunities and alumni network——for excellent players who are also excellent students.
On a lax only rating, maybe.
But throw in lax and academic reputation , and a duke offer is catnip to a kid that aspires to excellence in the classroom as well the lax field.
Duke is a mixed bag. Talked to some former players that appreciated the school but not the team atmosphere or how they didn’t do things. Based on the mediocre performances over the past years, I think the program has lost some luster. Starting to feel like a has-been program.
Duke is much like Stanford. Duke has that UNC appeal but lacrosse success has been lack luster for the past few years.
Location, weather and proximity to 3 key Lax hotbeds, Baltimore, Philly, the guyland, will also make Duke more attractive than Stanford.
in the past, I would have put USC on this list, but its recruiting has been constantly declining, as demonstrated by this year.
Not going to get political, but how much do you think the crime issues in major CA cities like SF and LA are hurting the recruiting? I mean a SF 49er was shot in middle of day in DT SF. Hard to send your East Coast daughters there without some pause right?
I mean...one student literally shot and killed another student on campus when I was at Johns Hopkins, so...
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
Florida has always been an attractive spot. And in the past O'Leary had a very close relationship with Carol Rose, which has faded due to issues well discussed on this board.
But UF isn't for everyone. A very strong off-the-field "culture", that appeals to many girls and scares many others away.
Next year, I think Florida will do very well, mainly because there are 2 top 8 clubs within 2-3 hours of campus in Eagle Stix and FL Select, and a couple other florida girls playing on top out of state clubs. I would expect UF to fill at least half its class from those 2 clubs
UF certainly has a reputation for not being a close knit roster. Very cliquish based on who plays and who doesn't.
My point was more about the hard-drinking culture. About 2/3 of the roster including a majority of starters go out and get bombed once or twice per week. My 25 daughter went on a visit there first weekend of September and was immediately put off by girls opening talking about how drunk they would get that night.
Well, that's certainly not isolated to UF. Not even close. It's just part of lax culture on both the men's and women's side for the most part. Not saying it's right, but it's true.
laxmenow wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:36 pm
What about ND? They may appeal to more of a subset of the recruits, but they certainly have been getting more highly ranked recruits than a Penn State, for example.
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
The way i see it, these are the most attractive schools in women's lax. when you take into account Location, Campus, overall Athletics, academic prestige, and lacrosse success
1. UNC: checks all the boxes above. You get a girl on campus and they have a hard time not committing.
2. BC: everything but location and overall athletics. Perenial power and that helps overcome other deficiencies.
3. Florida: checks Every box except for lacrosse success
4. Stanford: Everything but lacrosse success
5. UVA: UNC's less popular cousin school. Very similar. Checks everybox except for lacrosse success
6. Penn State
7. NW
8. Cuse
9. Maryland
10. Duke
Florida has always had the ability to recruit itself. Would be a perrenial recruiting powerhouse with more onfield success. Same with UVA and Stanford.
What seperates UNC and BC is the coaching that goes with the talent. You can't win on just talent alone. Exhibit Duke, stanford, Penn State, florida, etc. Absolutely necessary to maintain consistency in recruiting. All the other schools are hot and cold, alternating between great recruiting classes and not so great ones. UNC and BC is consistent greatness
Maryland is pretty low on the attractivness scale if we're being honest. They were just such a powerhouse program, that the success kind of masked everything. Without that success, we started to see the decline. But that alure still exist enough to occasionally draw excellent players. Just not what it was before
This list is lacrosse achievement heavy. Duke below Penn state and Florida? Not for a girl who is also a strong student.
Florida or Penn state or cuse or Maryland aren’t remotely the same as Duke when it comes to career opportunities and alumni network——for excellent players who are also excellent students.
On a lax only rating, maybe.
But throw in lax and academic reputation , and a duke offer is catnip to a kid that aspires to excellence in the classroom as well the lax field.
The OG gave the 5 parameters they were considering. I'm sure the excellence in classroom as well as lax field list looks totally different. IMHO it would definitely include some more catnip in the Ivy before Duke.
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
Florida has always been an attractive spot. And in the past O'Leary had a very close relationship with Carol Rose, which has faded due to issues well discussed on this board.
But UF isn't for everyone. A very strong off-the-field "culture", that appeals to many girls and scares many others away.
Next year, I think Florida will do very well, mainly because there are 2 top 8 clubs within 2-3 hours of campus in Eagle Stix and FL Select, and a couple other florida girls playing on top out of state clubs. I would expect UF to fill at least half its class from those 2 clubs
UF certainly has a reputation for not being a close knit roster. Very cliquish based on who plays and who doesn't.
My point was more about the hard-drinking culture. About 2/3 of the roster including a majority of starters go out and get bombed once or twice per week. My 25 daughter went on a visit there first weekend of September and was immediately put off by girls opening talking about how drunk they would get that night.
Well, that's certainly not isolated to UF. Not even close. It's just part of lax culture on both the men's and women's side for the most part. Not saying it's right, but it's true.
I'd even say it's just not lacrosse culture. Soccer and other teams go out pretty hard at many schools.
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
Florida has always been an attractive spot. And in the past O'Leary had a very close relationship with Carol Rose, which has faded due to issues well discussed on this board.
But UF isn't for everyone. A very strong off-the-field "culture", that appeals to many girls and scares many others away.
Next year, I think Florida will do very well, mainly because there are 2 top 8 clubs within 2-3 hours of campus in Eagle Stix and FL Select, and a couple other florida girls playing on top out of state clubs. I would expect UF to fill at least half its class from those 2 clubs
UF certainly has a reputation for not being a close knit roster. Very cliquish based on who plays and who doesn't.
My point was more about the hard-drinking culture. About 2/3 of the roster including a majority of starters go out and get bombed once or twice per week. My 25 daughter went on a visit there first weekend of September and was immediately put off by girls opening talking about how drunk they would get that night.
Well, that's certainly not isolated to UF. Not even close. It's just part of lax culture on both the men's and women's side for the most part. Not saying it's right, but it's true.
I'd even say it's just not lacrosse culture. Soccer and other teams go out pretty hard at many schools.
Sure. It's not just notorious "party schools" like UF. The Ivy teams are notorious partiers as well. Google "UPenn women's lacrosse destroys bar" and you will find a article with the headline: Penn Women's Lacrosse Team in Trouble After Allegedly Flashing Genitals and Doing Other Awesome I Mean Deplorable Things at Fado
Maybe the fact the the players at UF were openly discussing their plans in front of his daughter was different than on other visits, but I guarantee you that every other team is doing the same thing on the few days off that they get in the fall and spring. The girls bust their asses between classes, studying, practice, film, lifts, travel, games, etc. When they get a day off they are going to blow off some steam the night before.
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
The way i see it, these are the most attractive schools in women's lax. when you take into account Location, Campus, overall Athletics, academic prestige, and lacrosse success
1. UNC: checks all the boxes above. You get a girl on campus and they have a hard time not committing.
2. BC: everything but location and overall athletics. Perenial power and that helps overcome other deficiencies.
3. Florida: checks Every box except for lacrosse success
4. Stanford: Everything but lacrosse success
5. UVA: UNC's less popular cousin school. Very similar. Checks everybox except for lacrosse success
6. Penn State
7. NW
8. Cuse
9. Maryland
10. Duke
Florida has always had the ability to recruit itself. Would be a perrenial recruiting powerhouse with more onfield success. Same with UVA and Stanford.
What seperates UNC and BC is the coaching that goes with the talent. You can't win on just talent alone. Exhibit Duke, stanford, Penn State, florida, etc. Absolutely necessary to maintain consistency in recruiting. All the other schools are hot and cold, alternating between great recruiting classes and not so great ones. UNC and BC is consistent greatness
Maryland is pretty low on the attractivness scale if we're being honest. They were just such a powerhouse program, that the success kind of masked everything. Without that success, we started to see the decline. But that alure still exist enough to occasionally draw excellent players. Just not what it was before
This list is lacrosse achievement heavy. Duke below Penn state and Florida? Not for a girl who is also a strong student.
Florida or Penn state or cuse or Maryland aren’t remotely the same as Duke when it comes to career opportunities and alumni network——for excellent players who are also excellent students.
On a lax only rating, maybe.
But throw in lax and academic reputation , and a duke offer is catnip to a kid that aspires to excellence in the classroom as well the lax field.
Duke is a mixed bag. Talked to some former players that appreciated the school but not the team atmosphere or how they didn’t do things. Based on the mediocre performances over the past years, I think the program has lost some luster. Starting to feel like a has-been program.
Duke is much like Stanford. Duke has that UNC appeal but lacrosse success has been lack luster for the past few years.
Location, weather and proximity to 3 key Lax hotbeds, Baltimore, Philly, the guyland, will also make Duke more attractive than Stanford.
in the past, I would have put USC on this list, but its recruiting has been constantly declining, as demonstrated by this year.
Not going to get political, but how much do you think the crime issues in major CA cities like SF and LA are hurting the recruiting? I mean a SF 49er was shot in middle of day in DT SF. Hard to send your East Coast daughters there without some pause right?
5 Students were murdered in their dorms in iowa. Will that cause you to not send your daughter to school there?
Bay area has millions of people. For every cime, there are hundreds of thousands who go about their day just fine
Are you comparing a random isolated murder vs a well known spike in all types of crime in certain cities since 2020? I mean you sound like a politician. We also aren't talking about how you might feel or I might feel, we are talking about overall perception. To think the crime increase in cities doesn't/hasn't affected recruiting in urban schools is a little crazy right, least in small ways.
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
Florida has always been an attractive spot. And in the past O'Leary had a very close relationship with Carol Rose, which has faded due to issues well discussed on this board.
But UF isn't for everyone. A very strong off-the-field "culture", that appeals to many girls and scares many others away.
Next year, I think Florida will do very well, mainly because there are 2 top 8 clubs within 2-3 hours of campus in Eagle Stix and FL Select, and a couple other florida girls playing on top out of state clubs. I would expect UF to fill at least half its class from those 2 clubs
UF certainly has a reputation for not being a close knit roster. Very cliquish based on who plays and who doesn't.
My point was more about the hard-drinking culture. About 2/3 of the roster including a majority of starters go out and get bombed once or twice per week. My 25 daughter went on a visit there first weekend of September and was immediately put off by girls opening talking about how drunk they would get that night.
Pretty sure that happens at quite a lot of colleges and teams. Different strokes for different folks. My 25 loved when the teams she visited said they party. . They certainly do at my older daughter’s school. Cliquey thing is at most schools as well. IMO
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
The way i see it, these are the most attractive schools in women's lax. when you take into account Location, Campus, overall Athletics, academic prestige, and lacrosse success
1. UNC: checks all the boxes above. You get a girl on campus and they have a hard time not committing.
2. BC: everything but location and overall athletics. Perenial power and that helps overcome other deficiencies.
3. Florida: checks Every box except for lacrosse success
4. Stanford: Everything but lacrosse success
5. UVA: UNC's less popular cousin school. Very similar. Checks everybox except for lacrosse success
6. Penn State
7. NW
8. Cuse
9. Maryland
10. Duke
Florida has always had the ability to recruit itself. Would be a perrenial recruiting powerhouse with more onfield success. Same with UVA and Stanford.
What seperates UNC and BC is the coaching that goes with the talent. You can't win on just talent alone. Exhibit Duke, stanford, Penn State, florida, etc. Absolutely necessary to maintain consistency in recruiting. All the other schools are hot and cold, alternating between great recruiting classes and not so great ones. UNC and BC is consistent greatness
Maryland is pretty low on the attractivness scale if we're being honest. They were just such a powerhouse program, that the success kind of masked everything. Without that success, we started to see the decline. But that alure still exist enough to occasionally draw excellent players. Just not what it was before
This list is lacrosse achievement heavy. Duke below Penn state and Florida? Not for a girl who is also a strong student.
Florida or Penn state or cuse or Maryland aren’t remotely the same as Duke when it comes to career opportunities and alumni network——for excellent players who are also excellent students.
On a lax only rating, maybe.
But throw in lax and academic reputation , and a duke offer is catnip to a kid that aspires to excellence in the classroom as well the lax field.
Duke is a mixed bag. Talked to some former players that appreciated the school but not the team atmosphere or how they didn’t do things. Based on the mediocre performances over the past years, I think the program has lost some luster. Starting to feel like a has-been program.
Duke is much like Stanford. Duke has that UNC appeal but lacrosse success has been lack luster for the past few years.
Location, weather and proximity to 3 key Lax hotbeds, Baltimore, Philly, the guyland, will also make Duke more attractive than Stanford.
in the past, I would have put USC on this list, but its recruiting has been constantly declining, as demonstrated by this year.
Not going to get political, but how much do you think the crime issues in major CA cities like SF and LA are hurting the recruiting? I mean a SF 49er was shot in middle of day in DT SF. Hard to send your East Coast daughters there without some pause right?
5 Students were murdered in their dorms in iowa. Will that cause you to not send your daughter to school there?
Bay area has millions of people. For every cime, there are hundreds of thousands who go about their day just fine
Are you comparing a random isolated murder vs a well known spike in all types of crime in certain cities since 2020? I mean you sound like a politician. We also aren't talking about how you might feel or I might feel, we are talking about overall perception. To think the crime increase in cities doesn't/hasn't affected recruiting in urban schools is a little crazy right, least in small ways.
USC definitely has a neighborhood issue. If Stanford were in San Francisco, maybe.
But Palo Alto is about as safe as it gets. It’s beautiful. An hour from San Francisco.
It’s a bit like saying uva has a crime issue because of Washington
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
The way i see it, these are the most attractive schools in women's lax. when you take into account Location, Campus, overall Athletics, academic prestige, and lacrosse success
1. UNC: checks all the boxes above. You get a girl on campus and they have a hard time not committing.
2. BC: everything but location and overall athletics. Perenial power and that helps overcome other deficiencies.
3. Florida: checks Every box except for lacrosse success
4. Stanford: Everything but lacrosse success
5. UVA: UNC's less popular cousin school. Very similar. Checks everybox except for lacrosse success
6. Penn State
7. NW
8. Cuse
9. Maryland
10. Duke
Florida has always had the ability to recruit itself. Would be a perrenial recruiting powerhouse with more onfield success. Same with UVA and Stanford.
What seperates UNC and BC is the coaching that goes with the talent. You can't win on just talent alone. Exhibit Duke, stanford, Penn State, florida, etc. Absolutely necessary to maintain consistency in recruiting. All the other schools are hot and cold, alternating between great recruiting classes and not so great ones. UNC and BC is consistent greatness
Maryland is pretty low on the attractivness scale if we're being honest. They were just such a powerhouse program, that the success kind of masked everything. Without that success, we started to see the decline. But that alure still exist enough to occasionally draw excellent players. Just not what it was before
This list is lacrosse achievement heavy. Duke below Penn state and Florida? Not for a girl who is also a strong student.
Florida or Penn state or cuse or Maryland aren’t remotely the same as Duke when it comes to career opportunities and alumni network——for excellent players who are also excellent students.
On a lax only rating, maybe.
But throw in lax and academic reputation , and a duke offer is catnip to a kid that aspires to excellence in the classroom as well the lax field.
Duke is a mixed bag. Talked to some former players that appreciated the school but not the team atmosphere or how they didn’t do things. Based on the mediocre performances over the past years, I think the program has lost some luster. Starting to feel like a has-been program.
Duke is much like Stanford. Duke has that UNC appeal but lacrosse success has been lack luster for the past few years.
Location, weather and proximity to 3 key Lax hotbeds, Baltimore, Philly, the guyland, will also make Duke more attractive than Stanford.
in the past, I would have put USC on this list, but its recruiting has been constantly declining, as demonstrated by this year.
Not going to get political, but how much do you think the crime issues in major CA cities like SF and LA are hurting the recruiting? I mean a SF 49er was shot in middle of day in DT SF. Hard to send your East Coast daughters there without some pause right?
5 Students were murdered in their dorms in iowa. Will that cause you to not send your daughter to school there?
Bay area has millions of people. For every cime, there are hundreds of thousands who go about their day just fine
when did that happen, think it would've made big news cycles?
laxfanrs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:07 pm
Florida seems like the new hot spot. There are so many positives to going there, next year it is going to be a very attractive spot for 27s.The $ is definitely good. Who doesn’t want to live in Flordia? Also, that is a place where top recruits can go and know that they will get playing time. Schools like BC can get top recruits every year but still look at the transfer portal for their starters.
Florida has always been an attractive spot. And in the past O'Leary had a very close relationship with Carol Rose, which has faded due to issues well discussed on this board.
But UF isn't for everyone. A very strong off-the-field "culture", that appeals to many girls and scares many others away.
Next year, I think Florida will do very well, mainly because there are 2 top 8 clubs within 2-3 hours of campus in Eagle Stix and FL Select, and a couple other florida girls playing on top out of state clubs. I would expect UF to fill at least half its class from those 2 clubs
UF certainly has a reputation for not being a close knit roster. Very cliquish based on who plays and who doesn't.
My point was more about the hard-drinking culture. About 2/3 of the roster including a majority of starters go out and get bombed once or twice per week. My 25 daughter went on a visit there first weekend of September and was immediately put off by girls opening talking about how drunk they would get that night.
Well, that's certainly not isolated to UF. Not even close. It's just part of lax culture on both the men's and women's side for the most part. Not saying it's right, but it's true.
I'd even say it's just not lacrosse culture. Soccer and other teams go out pretty hard at many schools.
Sure. It's not just notorious "party schools" like UF. The Ivy teams are notorious partiers as well. Google "UPenn women's lacrosse destroys bar" and you will find a article with the headline: Penn Women's Lacrosse Team in Trouble After Allegedly Flashing Genitals and Doing Other Awesome I Mean Deplorable Things at Fado
Maybe the fact the the players at UF were openly discussing their plans in front of his daughter was different than on other visits, but I guarantee you that every other team is doing the same thing on the few days off that they get in the fall and spring. The girls bust their asses between classes, studying, practice, film, lifts, travel, games, etc. When they get a day off they are going to blow off some steam the night before.
. They certainly do at my older daughter’s school. Cliquey thing is at most schools as well. IMO