The Biden - Harris Era.

[Typical Lax Dad]

People can never be manipulated by edited photos. Or videos.



I wonder why there are always escorts at the Oscars to help people get off stage? Surely they're capable of finding their way on their own?

A friend of mine is wondering if Biden is going to fall off the stage or something during the debate. He’s serious. Points to all the things you see in right wing media. He’s one of my best friends and is highly educated but not that smart, really. I bust his chops every chance I get.

[OuttaNowhereWregget]

No thanks, MD. I have had quite enough of your condescending insults to last for a good long while. Your pedantic lectures are insufferable. (C&S was accurate in referring to them as such). Your making-certain-sure-you-appear-to-have-won-the-argument tactic of raising all kinds of other topics--side or on point--so as to muddy the water and confuse the issue. As I've said before--just like Trump. It's a disingenuous way of getting your point across. For those reasons, I don't enjoy interacting with you so, no thank you. You're on the Pay No Mind list until further notice.

Oh, and if you think I am "trolling" – feel free to report me.

Then don't post if you don't want responses which disagree with you.

Your post wasn't part of any other conversation, so wasn't engaging with others' prior comments.
Out of the blue, but certainly fair within the overall thread topic.

My response was solely to what you wrote, no other topics.
Directed solely on your point and post.

I thought my response was pretty civil as well.

Your post felt to me like it was intended to inflame not inform. But I tempered that with "Kind of" and a question mark. If not intended as trolling, easy for you to say so. It certainly didn't rise to the level of egregious trolling that deserved reporting IMO, just a question about intent.

I asked, didn't assume, whether you'd seen the actually false 'clips' as used by right wing media and disinformation campaigns that had been debunked. You'd come across as dismissive, so I asked.

I agreed with the notion that Biden is old. I just don't think anyone is denying that reality. Perhaps you do?

And I shared my fundamental response about the alternative between "old" and "sociopath authoritarian". You have told us you are all-in for Trump in that choice, but perhaps you are taking personal offense at my inclusion of you in supporting who I consider to be a "sociopath authoritarian"?

Again, if you don't want others to engage with your posts, simple solution is to not post.
You needn't respond with personal insults.

Or you can engage civilly. Up to you.

Civil? You accused me of trolling right off the top. I don't consider that an invitation to civil discourse.

You've led me down the garden path once too often, MD. Sure, you can sound civil and even comport yourself in a civil manner with me until something I say bothers you or disagrees with your position and Presto! Chango! out come the snotty condescending insults--and the other lovely character traits I mentioned above. Nope. No more.

[OuttaNowhereWregget]

No thanks, MD. I have had quite enough of your condescending insults to last for a good long while. Your pedantic lectures are insufferable. (C&S was accurate in referring to them as such). Your making-certain-sure-you-appear-to-have-won-the-argument tactic of raising all kinds of other topics--side or on point--so as to muddy the water and confuse the issue. As I've said before--just like Trump. It's a disingenuous way of getting your point across. For those reasons, I don't enjoy interacting with you so, no thank you. You're on the Pay No Mind list until further notice.

Oh, and if you think I am "trolling" – feel free to report me.

He is pushing back against your viewpoint that "we're not really seeing what we're seeing with these video clips," and suggesting you take a deeper dive into the world of out of context videos and other pieces of sly misinformation that plague almost all social discourse, to say nothing of political discourse. Retreating into "I have had quite enough of your condescending insults" is, as I have come to know, totally de rigueur for many Americans, who don't want their lives and opinions shaped by facts, or corrections to misapprehended or misinformed opinions. It allows one to retreat into the hard shell of one's static views, and cast everyone else aside as "condescending."

Discussion of difficult subjects, particularly in written form on pages like this one, carries no other humanizing quality -- a smile, a smirk, a hand gesture, and the like. So we take the cold words delivered in writing either like an adult who placed themselves in the public marketplace by their rendering of an opinion on a divisive topic, or we act the part of an aggrieved little boy who "won't be talked down to," or some such thing.

Birds of a feather, Seacoaster--birds of a feather.

You and MD, that is--in case it wasn't clear.

What you wrote sounds well thought out and reasonable but it's just a fancy way of trying to justify how you, and MD, talk down to and insult people when they don't agree with you. You're another one who stoops to personal insults when a discussion or an opinion rubs you the wrong way--when others disagree with your opinions. My mother had a saying, "What you do speaks so loud I can't hear a word you say." That's you. Years of your condescending insults over on the WD1 boards--and now here--and I'm supposed to seriously consider your (ahem) counsel? Please. Try that out in the real world and see what kind of reception you get. No more garden path strolls with you either, Sea.

[youthathletics]

You are not wrong, OuttaNowhereWregget and read the room rather well.

[JoeMauer89]

You are not wrong, OuttaNowhereWregget and read the room rather well.

+1, very well-said. I constantly try to express this but not as well as ONW just did and I get chewed out for it.

Joe

[NattyBohChamps04]

A whole lot of not realizing y'all do worse than what y'all are accusing others of doing.

Pretty darn funny. If you're gonna give it out, you have to be able to take it.

A good chunk of the country forgot how to actually discuss issues since the advent of far right wing media a few decades ago.

[OuttaNowhereWregget]

You are not wrong, OuttaNowhereWregget and read the room rather well.

+1, very well-said. I constantly try to express this but not as well as ONW just did and I get chewed out for it.

Joe

Greatly appreciate the affirmation, gents.

[JoeMauer89]

A whole lot of not realizing y'all do worse than what y'all are accusing others of doing.

Pretty darn funny. If you're gonna give it out, you have to be able to take it.

A good chunk of the country forgot how to actually discuss issues since the advent of far right wing media a few decades ago.

There's rarely a discussion on these threads, a poster displays an opposing viewpoint and then gets subsequently attacked, trivialized, etc. for doing so. I guess it's so much of an instinctual reaction those who do it don't even noticing that they are doing it.

Joe

[MDlaxfan76]

No thanks, MD. I have had quite enough of your condescending insults to last for a good long while. Your pedantic lectures are insufferable. (C&S was accurate in referring to them as such). Your making-certain-sure-you-appear-to-have-won-the-argument tactic of raising all kinds of other topics--side or on point--so as to muddy the water and confuse the issue. As I've said before--just like Trump. It's a disingenuous way of getting your point across. For those reasons, I don't enjoy interacting with you so, no thank you. You're on the Pay No Mind list until further notice.

Oh, and if you think I am "trolling" – feel free to report me.

He is pushing back against your viewpoint that "we're not really seeing what we're seeing with these video clips," and suggesting you take a deeper dive into the world of out of context videos and other pieces of sly misinformation that plague almost all social discourse, to say nothing of political discourse. Retreating into "I have had quite enough of your condescending insults" is, as I have come to know, totally de rigueur for many Americans, who don't want their lives and opinions shaped by facts, or corrections to misapprehended or misinformed opinions. It allows one to retreat into the hard shell of one's static views, and cast everyone else aside as "condescending."

Discussion of difficult subjects, particularly in written form on pages like this one, carries no other humanizing quality -- a smile, a smirk, a hand gesture, and the like. So we take the cold words delivered in writing either like an adult who placed themselves in the public marketplace by their rendering of an opinion on a divisive topic, or we act the part of an aggrieved little boy who "won't be talked down to," or some such thing.

Birds of a feather, Seacoaster--birds of a feather.

You and MD, that is--in case it wasn't clear.

What you wrote sounds well thought out and reasonable but it's just a fancy way of trying to justify how you, and MD, talk down to and insult people when they don't agree with you. You're another one who stoops to personal insults when a discussion or an opinion rubs you the wrong way--when others disagree with your opinions. My mother had a saying, "What you do speaks so loud I can't hear a word you say." That's you. Years of your condescending insults over on the WD1 boards--and now here--and I'm supposed to seriously consider your (ahem) counsel? Please. Try that out in the real world and see what kind of reception you get. No more garden path strolls with you either, Sea.

ok, we get it, the only way to disagree with someone needs to be uncivil, rude, ignorant. Else, it's "condescending".

Trying to be civil, clear, and thoughtful deserves an angry rebuke in return.

"sounds well thought out and reasonable" is labeled "talking down" and insulting.

Heck, simply being civil, but not in agreement, is now "condescending".

Yes, you came across as trolling, but I gave you lots of room for a civil response in return, and explanation of what you meant to communicate if I was mistaken. No go.

Seriously, if you don't want to have discussions where others disagree with you, don't participate.

[MDlaxfan76]

A whole lot of not realizing y'all do worse than what y'all are accusing others of doing.

Pretty darn funny. If you're gonna give it out, you have to be able to take it.

A good chunk of the country forgot how to actually discuss issues since the advent of far right wing media a few decades ago.

There's rarely a discussion on these threads, a poster displays an opposing viewpoint and then gets subsequently attacked, trivialized, etc. for doing so. I guess it's so much of an instinctual reaction those who do it don't even noticing that they are doing it.

Joe

Joe,
Any time you or anyone else actually wants to risk sharing an opinion about a thread topic other than to criticize another poster, they may face disagreement, including sharp, pointed disagreement, with their opinion. That's the risk of participation. Engagement.

That said, I totally agree that attacking someone personally, ad hominem, is very unhelpful. It ain't "civil" discourse.

BTW, I assume you meant "There's rarely NOT a discussion on these threads," or "then does NOT get subsequently attacked". It seemed obvious that's your intended meaning, that it happens a lot, given the following sentence. I just got tripped up on first reading.

[OuttaNowhereWregget]

There's rarely a discussion on these threads, a poster displays an opposing viewpoint and then gets subsequently attacked, trivialized, etc. for doing so. I guess it's so much of an instinctual reaction those who do it don't even noticing that they are doing it.

Joe

Absolutely, positively 100% agreed. Well put, Joe.

[MDlaxfan76]

No thanks, MD. I have had quite enough of your condescending insults to last for a good long while. Your pedantic lectures are insufferable. (C&S was accurate in referring to them as such). Your making-certain-sure-you-appear-to-have-won-the-argument tactic of raising all kinds of other topics--side or on point--so as to muddy the water and confuse the issue. As I've said before--just like Trump. It's a disingenuous way of getting your point across. For those reasons, I don't enjoy interacting with you so, no thank you. You're on the Pay No Mind list until further notice.

Oh, and if you think I am "trolling" – feel free to report me.

Then don't post if you don't want responses which disagree with you.

Your post wasn't part of any other conversation, so wasn't engaging with others' prior comments.
Out of the blue, but certainly fair within the overall thread topic.

My response was solely to what you wrote, no other topics.
Directed solely on your point and post.

I thought my response was pretty civil as well.

Your post felt to me like it was intended to inflame not inform. But I tempered that with "Kind of" and a question mark. If not intended as trolling, easy for you to say so. It certainly didn't rise to the level of egregious trolling that deserved reporting IMO, just a question about intent.

I asked, didn't assume, whether you'd seen the actually false 'clips' as used by right wing media and disinformation campaigns that had been debunked. You'd come across as dismissive, so I asked.

I agreed with the notion that Biden is old. I just don't think anyone is denying that reality. Perhaps you do?

And I shared my fundamental response about the alternative between "old" and "sociopath authoritarian". You have told us you are all-in for Trump in that choice, but perhaps you are taking personal offense at my inclusion of you in supporting who I consider to be a "sociopath authoritarian"?

Again, if you don't want others to engage with your posts, simple solution is to not post.
You needn't respond with personal insults.

Or you can engage civilly. Up to you.

Civil? You accused me of trolling right off the top. I don't consider that an invitation to civil discourse.

You've led me down the garden path once too often, MD. Sure, you can sound civil and even comport yourself in a civil manner with me until something I say bothers you or disagrees with your position and Presto! Chango! out come the snotty condescending insults--and the other lovely character traits I mentioned above. Nope. No more.

How about sharing with me when I actually do as you accuse instead of claiming it, ad hominem, when I haven't?

I disagreed with what you wrote, heck I feel pretty darn strongly about it if that wasn't clear, but I did so civilly, open for you to explain yourself, including any nuance I may have missed.

Instead you resort to ad hominem attacks. Hot.
And, yeah, that's a frequent pattern with you of claiming foul when someone actually disagrees.
But you choose to not engage in the actual disagreement.

The times you actually explain yourself, however, can be illuminating as to your views. And that's appreciated. People disagree aplenty with one another, but that needn't make the discourse uncivil. Rather, that's a choice too.

[cradleandshoot]

No thanks, MD. I have had quite enough of your condescending insults to last for a good long while. Your pedantic lectures are insufferable. (C&S was accurate in referring to them as such). Your making-certain-sure-you-appear-to-have-won-the-argument tactic of raising all kinds of other topics--side or on point--so as to muddy the water and confuse the issue. As I've said before--just like Trump. It's a disingenuous way of getting your point across. For those reasons, I don't enjoy interacting with you so, no thank you. You're on the Pay No Mind list until further notice.

Oh, and if you think I am "trolling" – feel free to report me.

He is pushing back against your viewpoint that "we're not really seeing what we're seeing with these video clips," and suggesting you take a deeper dive into the world of out of context videos and other pieces of sly misinformation that plague almost all social discourse, to say nothing of political discourse. Retreating into "I have had quite enough of your condescending insults" is, as I have come to know, totally de rigueur for many Americans, who don't want their lives and opinions shaped by facts, or corrections to misapprehended or misinformed opinions. It allows one to retreat into the hard shell of one's static views, and cast everyone else aside as "condescending."

Discussion of difficult subjects, particularly in written form on pages like this one, carries no other humanizing quality -- a smile, a smirk, a hand gesture, and the like. So we take the cold words delivered in writing either like an adult who placed themselves in the public marketplace by their rendering of an opinion on a divisive topic, or we act the part of an aggrieved little boy who "won't be talked down to," or some such thing.

Birds of a feather, Seacoaster--birds of a feather.

You and MD, that is--in case it wasn't clear.

What you wrote sounds well thought out and reasonable but it's just a fancy way of trying to justify how you, and MD, talk down to and insult people when they don't agree with you. You're another one who stoops to personal insults when a discussion or an opinion rubs you the wrong way--when others disagree with your opinions. My mother had a saying, "What you do speaks so loud I can't hear a word you say." That's you. Years of your condescending insults over on the WD1 boards--and now here--and I'm supposed to seriously consider your (ahem) counsel? Please. Try that out in the real world and see what kind of reception you get. No more garden path strolls with you either, Sea.

You nailed it ONW. They try desperately to think they can intimidate people through their arrogance. The good news more Americans are understanding their tactics and are subtly telling them to go to hell in the election booth. Their biggest fear would be a victorious trump nominating another SCOTUS justice. That would be more terrifying than anything Freddy Krueger ever dealt out in all those Elm St. nightmares. The SCOTUS is the biggest obstacle in their pathway to dissecting America into a liberal nightmare.

[OuttaNowhereWregget]

No thanks, MD. I have had quite enough of your condescending insults to last for a good long while. Your pedantic lectures are insufferable. (C&S was accurate in referring to them as such). Your making-certain-sure-you-appear-to-have-won-the-argument tactic of raising all kinds of other topics--side or on point--so as to muddy the water and confuse the issue. As I've said before--just like Trump. It's a disingenuous way of getting your point across. For those reasons, I don't enjoy interacting with you so, no thank you. You're on the Pay No Mind list until further notice.

Oh, and if you think I am "trolling" – feel free to report me.

He is pushing back against your viewpoint that "we're not really seeing what we're seeing with these video clips," and suggesting you take a deeper dive into the world of out of context videos and other pieces of sly misinformation that plague almost all social discourse, to say nothing of political discourse. Retreating into "I have had quite enough of your condescending insults" is, as I have come to know, totally de rigueur for many Americans, who don't want their lives and opinions shaped by facts, or corrections to misapprehended or misinformed opinions. It allows one to retreat into the hard shell of one's static views, and cast everyone else aside as "condescending."

Discussion of difficult subjects, particularly in written form on pages like this one, carries no other humanizing quality -- a smile, a smirk, a hand gesture, and the like. So we take the cold words delivered in writing either like an adult who placed themselves in the public marketplace by their rendering of an opinion on a divisive topic, or we act the part of an aggrieved little boy who "won't be talked down to," or some such thing.

Birds of a feather, Seacoaster--birds of a feather.

You and MD, that is--in case it wasn't clear.

What you wrote sounds well thought out and reasonable but it's just a fancy way of trying to justify how you, and MD, talk down to and insult people when they don't agree with you. You're another one who stoops to personal insults when a discussion or an opinion rubs you the wrong way--when others disagree with your opinions. My mother had a saying, "What you do speaks so loud I can't hear a word you say." That's you. Years of your condescending insults over on the WD1 boards--and now here--and I'm supposed to seriously consider your (ahem) counsel? Please. Try that out in the real world and see what kind of reception you get. No more garden path strolls with you either, Sea.

You nailed it ONW. They try desperately to think they can intimidate people through their arrogance. The good news more Americans are understanding their tactics and are subtly telling them to go to hell in the election booth. Their biggest fear would be a victorious trump nominating another SCOTUS justice. That would be more terrifying than anything Freddy Krueger ever dealt out in all those Elm St. nightmares. The SCOTUS is the biggest obstacle in their pathway to dissecting America into a liberal nightmare.

Thanks C&S.

A liberal nightmare. Aptly put.

[cradleandshoot]

No thanks, MD. I have had quite enough of your condescending insults to last for a good long while. Your pedantic lectures are insufferable. (C&S was accurate in referring to them as such). Your making-certain-sure-you-appear-to-have-won-the-argument tactic of raising all kinds of other topics--side or on point--so as to muddy the water and confuse the issue. As I've said before--just like Trump. It's a disingenuous way of getting your point across. For those reasons, I don't enjoy interacting with you so, no thank you. You're on the Pay No Mind list until further notice.

Oh, and if you think I am "trolling" – feel free to report me.

He is pushing back against your viewpoint that "we're not really seeing what we're seeing with these video clips," and suggesting you take a deeper dive into the world of out of context videos and other pieces of sly misinformation that plague almost all social discourse, to say nothing of political discourse. Retreating into "I have had quite enough of your condescending insults" is, as I have come to know, totally de rigueur for many Americans, who don't want their lives and opinions shaped by facts, or corrections to misapprehended or misinformed opinions. It allows one to retreat into the hard shell of one's static views, and cast everyone else aside as "condescending."

Discussion of difficult subjects, particularly in written form on pages like this one, carries no other humanizing quality -- a smile, a smirk, a hand gesture, and the like. So we take the cold words delivered in writing either like an adult who placed themselves in the public marketplace by their rendering of an opinion on a divisive topic, or we act the part of an aggrieved little boy who "won't be talked down to," or some such thing.

Birds of a feather, Seacoaster--birds of a feather.

You and MD, that is--in case it wasn't clear.

What you wrote sounds well thought out and reasonable but it's just a fancy way of trying to justify how you, and MD, talk down to and insult people when they don't agree with you. You're another one who stoops to personal insults when a discussion or an opinion rubs you the wrong way--when others disagree with your opinions. My mother had a saying, "What you do speaks so loud I can't hear a word you say." That's you. Years of your condescending insults over on the WD1 boards--and now here--and I'm supposed to seriously consider your (ahem) counsel? Please. Try that out in the real world and see what kind of reception you get. No more garden path strolls with you either, Sea.

You nailed it ONW. They try desperately to think they can intimidate people through their arrogance. The good news more Americans are understanding their tactics and are subtly telling them to go to hell in the election booth. Their biggest fear would be a victorious trump nominating another SCOTUS justice. That would be more terrifying than anything Freddy Krueger ever dealt out in all those Elm St. nightmares. The SCOTUS is the biggest obstacle in their pathway to dissecting America into a liberal nightmare.

Thanks C&S.

A liberal nightmare. Aptly put.

The more liberals whine the more scared they are.

[NattyBohChamps04]

The more liberals whine the more scared they are.

That's rich considering all I hear 24/7 from you people is fear porn about the border, vaccines, CRT, DEI, trans people, a hundred college protestors here and there and more. Afraid of your own shadows you are. And right wing hosts being non-stop angry and whiny and scared on the radio, podcast, or wherever. It's gotta be exhausteing being so scared 24/7 (guess it's making a ton of $$$ is the answer). Get out there and live life!

ONW is fun because he hasn't figured out there are very few actual liberals on here. Anyone to the left of him, even if they're a moderate Republican, seems to be an evil liberal.

[cradleandshoot]

The more liberals whine the more scared they are.

That's rich considering all I hear 24/7 from you people is fear porn about the border, vaccines, CRT, DEI, trans people, a hundred college protestors here and there and more. Afraid of your own shadows you are. And right wing hosts being non-stop angry and whiny and scared on the radio, podcast, or wherever. It's gotta be exhausteing being so scared 24/7 (guess it's making a ton of $$$ is the answer). Get out there and live life!

ONW is fun because he hasn't figured out there are very few actual liberals on here. Anyone to the left of him, even if they're a moderate Republican, seems to be an evil liberal.

Too bad you don't live in NYS... Kathy Hochul loves folks like you. Naive and gullible with big fat liberal wallets.

[OuttaNowhereWregget]

ONW is fun because he hasn't figured out there are very few actual liberals on here. Anyone to the left of him, even if they're a moderate Republican, seems to be an evil liberal.

Where/when have I directed comments at board members, if you will, and referred to them, the individual fanlax member that is, as a liberal--let alone an evil liberal?

[NattyBohChamps04]

ONW is fun because he hasn't figured out there are very few actual liberals on here. Anyone to the left of him, even if they're a moderate Republican, seems to be an evil liberal.

Where/when have I directed comments at board members, if you will, and referred to them, the individual fanlax member that is, as a liberal--let alone an evil liberal?

Tip of the iceberg from just the other day. I was speaking in general, not just about specific posters. There's a running theme whenever you're posting about "liberals", real or imagined.

But you're free to do that obviously. It's Just fun to see.

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[OuttaNowhereWregget]

ONW is fun because he hasn't figured out there are very few actual liberals on here. Anyone to the left of him, even if they're a moderate Republican, seems to be an evil liberal.

Where/when have I directed comments at board members, if you will, and referred to them, the individual fanlax member that is, as a liberal--let alone an evil liberal?

Tip of the iceberg from just the other day. I was speaking in general, not just about specific posters. There's a running theme whenever you're posting about "liberals", real or imagined.

But you're free to do that obviously. It's Just fun to see.

viewtopic.php?p=564689#p564689

Got it. Yes--I'll always have a problem with much of what constitutes liberal ideology. Thanks for clarifying.