What?? Princeton played a lesser schedule, than Cornell?HopFan16 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:39 pmIerlan was a USILA AA.coda wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:15 pmI certainly factored that into the equation, when comparing Ivy goalies. I am sure you going to say he is definitely better than Helm and his .505 save percentage, despite reasonably close save % and Helm playing far better competition. That said the level of your defense in comparison to the offenses you face, is far more important than the overall level of competition. It does mean something when you have one of the better defenses in your league and a top 20 defense overall (#14 on Massey).HopFan16 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:53 pmIt literally was All-American caliber. He was an All-American.coda wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:42 pmHe finished 20th in save percentage this year, which is solid. Not All-American caliber. Finished 3rd in the Ivy in Save Percentage just in front of Paquettte of Yale. I would put Paquette above him, because of how God awful the Yale defense was (51% behind that defense is excellent). He is solid goalie, who should give you consistent goalie play. That is good thingHopFan16 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:50 amThat's more than OK. 52-53% on a consistent basis is quite good for today's game, basically All-American caliber (Ierlan was HM this season). When you adjust for level of competition (i.e. Ierlan's 52% is more impressive than the Robert Morris goalie's 52%), then he's been, what, a top 5 goalie in the country over the last few years? Top 10 at worst? What more do you want? Unfortunately Entenmann wasn't in the portal.51percentcorn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:29 amlook - not trying to be identified as anti Ierlan - nothing would make me happier lacrosse wisethan if he led the Jays to Memorial Day and was the MOP. To be fair however, the forest says he is a 52-53% career at Job #1. That's OK - not off the hook. In both 2022 and 2023 he had 7 games each season with Save % below 50%. I seem to recall some fair players for Cornells D as well. Just thinking the results might be more in line with what we have seen. If Marcille makes 1 more save a game he is above 52%.
Also, save percentage is meaningless if you don't take into account the level of competition. Same for faceoff percentage. So "20th in the country" doesn't mean very much without context.
The All-American Goalies were:
1st team: G-Liam Entenmann, Notre Dame
2nd Team: G-Jack Fracyon, Penn State
3rd Team: G-Will Mark, Syracuse
Honorable Mention: G-Mike Gianforcaro, Princeton, G-Matt Knote, UMass, G-Knox Dent, Army
that is IL. I would not take him over any of those guys. Someone may, but people are entitled to their wrong opinions.
You're putting a lot of emphasis on 2023. That's fine. Let's see if Dent and Gianforcaro can keep it up. They've put one year on tape. Both also play behind good defenses against lesser schedules.
Off the top of my head for 2024:
Entenmann, Fraycon, Mark, Dent, Gianforcaro, Nunes. Maryland Goalie is back and arguably #1. Definitely could argue the Loyola guy or Carroll from Penn. Probably missing some players.