Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:48 am
He grabbed the jersey and pulled it in a different direction than the body. It's clear from video and illegal. I like your attempt to work the court on this but it's a penatly, if small time, yet consistent with the call in the previous super bowl. Ref reactions cant be read to mean anything.
Drawing the atraight line arugment has no merit. I made the same case last year, one play at any moement in time doesn't change the rest of the game. Doesn't matter when it happens in a game, there isn't an oridinal value hierarchy to various points in time in the game - they are all equal.
Point on being at the 14 is the Eagles let them get there, to worry about a technically correct call when the team let themselves down allowing the Chiefs to get into easy FG range seems to miss that aspect.
Halftime leaves more time to come back than the 3rd quarter. Blowing a 3rd quarter (late in period) double digit lead is worse than blowing it at half.
Defining a football play in slow motion replay is different than "did the ball touch the ground" and makes replay worthless if it ends up with just another judgement call. I'm not so old that I played college football into this millenium so I'm not talking like someone who is recollecting leather helmet football here. The guy made a "football play" to anyone who played at a higher level clear as day. Seems like you want to argue technical rules on one hand and then the natural flow of the game on the other. Don't get wrapped up in those two they lost the game by not blowing the Chiefs out early when they should've. A buddy who coached w Andy Reid a long time ago and I were talking and early agreed the eagles should win going away. By allowing them to stay in the game at halftime, and 10pts with a half to play is exactly that, is how they lost the game.
You really don't think I'm going to let this go.
I encourage you, if you have the interest, to rewatch the play, first in real time. The receiver cut inside at which point Bradbury legally put his right arm on the front of the receiver's waist. That was legal since it was within 5 yds whether or not it impeded his progress (if it did at all). Then the receiver spun outside with Bradbury's right hand still on the front of his waist. This is when the so-called jersey "grab" occurred (as the receiver was spinning away). I tried to time the length of the grab. I got about 0.2 secs. Someone has posted a pic the instant of the grab. I'll bet there is no grab one frame back or one frame forward. What occurred is not a penalty. It was the most incidental of grabs that lasted a nanosecond and did nothing to impede the receiver; it didn't turn his body or slow him down.
Stated another way, had there been no contact at all, the receiver still wouldn't have gotten within several yards of the overthrown ball. I understand "uncatchable" isn't a necessary element of defensive holding, but I am merely pointing out the alleged infraction did not affect the play. Frankly, in the moment, I thought Mahomes was throwing the ball away.
De minimus incidental grabs that have no impact on the receiver are not fouls. It's really as simple as that. Look, it was a bad call. Bad calls happen. They are part of the game. I get all that. I don't know what previous call you are referring to.
Listen to Greg Olson. TEs probably get held more than any other receiver. If he, a former TE, didn't think that was holding, that speaks volumes to me.
Actually the straight line argument is irrefutable. Essentially nothing material happened in the game between the call, the resultant running down of the clock to 8 secs, and the end of the game (except the gimme FG). You are making a different point, the egalitarian argument that all plays are equal. Sure, plays at the beginning of the game can be impactful as was Hurts' fumble and the scoop and score. If your opponent scores a goal in the first minute of the game for his team to go up 1-0, your team has a chance to respond and overcome the deficit. If they score with 2 secs left, you don't have a chance. That's what I mean by drawing a straight line. There was effectively no intervening event or quantity of time between the call and the end of the game. Lots of things happened and there was lots of time after the Hurts' fumble. None of any of this excuses the many Eagle shortcomings in the game.
I am not missing anything. In fact, you are ignoring all I have written about the rest of the game where I have said, repeatedly, that the Eagles had oodles of chances and failed to hold the Chiefs defensively time and time again. Reread my above posts.
Getting a 10 point halftime lead was "exactly how they lost the game"? Huh? You might want to rethink that one.
Of course a third Q deficit can be more significant than a halftime one. But the stats I quoted were about halftime deficits. If you want to dig up third quarter deficit stats, be my guest. But you are talking about something different. And BTW the Chiefs were behind by ten for 5+ mins of the 3rd Q (about 7 mins different from the 49ers game).
They were two different plays. One clearly wasn't a catch under today's rules. No one has disputed that. No judgment involved. Nothing technical at all about that play. You don't like today's rules, that's fine. You don't like replays, that's fine too. But replays are here to stay. When used appropriately, they can correct clearly erroneous calls. Even wlax has replay reviews now.
The holding call was a bad call, pure and simple. You think it was a good call. I've heard all your arguments, and I reject them. You've heard mine, and reject them. You ain't ever gonna convince me. I ain't ever gonna convince you. Such is the case in sports debates. If you wish, you can take solace in the fact that the call isn't going to be changed, right or wrong. I think we have beaten this one to death TBH.
BTW, a former Mich St. player who played for Reid says it was a bad call.