All Things Russia & Ukraine

[cradleandshoot]

Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

The old saying is soooooo obvious here... it takes one to know one...

does it? I don't think so.

IMO it is perfectly relevant in relation to Doc B. He throws around the facist card like I throw around the FLP card. There is nothing wrong in being a FLP, being a bona fide facist is another story.

[MDlaxfan76]

Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

The old saying is soooooo obvious here... it takes one to know one...

does it? I don't think so.

IMO it is perfectly relevant in relation to Doc B. He throws around the facist card like I throw around the FLP card. There is nothing wrong in being a FLP, being a bona fide facist is another story.

Actually, I don't think Doc is mistaken in his labelling. I think he understands well the meaning of the word and its history.

Some other posters on here don't and misuse it rather dumbly. Mostly on the hard right, (e.g. Trudeau is a fascist, Biden is a fascist) but we also have one on the left who throws exaggerated hyperbolic roundhouses.

[Kismet]

Zelinskyy continues to clean the Rooskies' clocks on the PR side - During his address to a joint session of Congress he plays a moving 3 minute video.

It probably doesn't matter in the short term but it might make a difference before its all over....if he has a country left at that time.

Turkey offered to broker a direct meeting between Zelinskyy and Putin today

Today's weapons aid package for Ukraine includes 100 Switchblade drones These are small, light, tactical drones which have GPS, operate from dozens of miles away and can loiter in the air up to 30 minutes before crashing and exploding into its target.

Reports today of Ukrainian counterattack on airfield north of Kyiv destroying multiple Russian helos on the ground.

WSJ Piece on how Ukrainian irregulars in the two-day battle of Voznesensk, where local volunteers and the military repelled the invaders, who fled leaving behind most of their armor and many dead soldiers.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-ru ... lewebshare

[Peter Brown]

Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

The old saying is soooooo obvious here... it takes one to know one...

does it? I don't think so.

IMO it is perfectly relevant in relation to Doc B. He throws around the facist card like I throw around the FLP card. There is nothing wrong in being a FLP, being a bona fide facist is another story.

Actually, I don't think Doc is mistaken in his labelling. I think he understands well the meaning of the word and its history.

Some other posters on here don't and misuse it rather dumbly. Mostly on the hard right, (e.g. Trudeau is a fascist, Biden is a fascist) but we also have one on the left who throws exaggerated hyperbolic roundhouses.

Justin Trudeau ordered the bank accounts of ordinary citizens seized, with no court order nor even formal charges. Just an executive edict from the office of the Prime Minister. Banks either complied or they lost their license to operate, as well as their officers threatened with arrest for failure to comply.

What do you call that, MD?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

The old saying is soooooo obvious here... it takes one to know one...

does it? I don't think so.

IMO it is perfectly relevant in relation to Doc B. He throws around the facist card like I throw around the FLP card. There is nothing wrong in being a FLP, being a bona fide facist is another story.

Actually, I don't think Doc is mistaken in his labelling. I think he understands well the meaning of the word and its history.

Some other posters on here don't and misuse it rather dumbly. Mostly on the hard right, (e.g. Trudeau is a fascist, Biden is a fascist) but we also have one on the left who throws exaggerated hyperbolic roundhouses.

Justin Trudeau ordered the bank accounts of ordinary citizens seized, with no court order nor even formal charges. Just an executive edict from the office of the Prime Minister. Banks either complied or they lost their license to operate, as well as their officers threatened with arrest for failure to comply.

What do you call that, MD?

Canadian Law.

[MDlaxfan76]

Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

The old saying is soooooo obvious here... it takes one to know one...

does it? I don't think so.

IMO it is perfectly relevant in relation to Doc B. He throws around the facist card like I throw around the FLP card. There is nothing wrong in being a FLP, being a bona fide facist is another story.

Actually, I don't think Doc is mistaken in his labelling. I think he understands well the meaning of the word and its history.

Some other posters on here don't and misuse it rather dumbly. Mostly on the hard right, (e.g. Trudeau is a fascist, Biden is a fascist) but we also have one on the left who throws exaggerated hyperbolic roundhouses.

Justin Trudeau ordered the bank accounts of ordinary citizens seized, with no court order nor even formal charges. Just an executive edict from the office of the Prime Minister. Banks either complied or they lost their license to operate, as well as their officers threatened with arrest for failure to comply.

What do you call that, MD?

Canadian Law.

And a pretty darn reasonable one at that, though only used in quite unusual situations...such as the intentional and illegal damage to the economy perpetrated by extremists.

Not remotely "fascist".

The projection by hard right wingers is almost comical...would be, if it didn't fool so many gullible people.

[Peter Brown]

Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

The old saying is soooooo obvious here... it takes one to know one...

does it? I don't think so.

IMO it is perfectly relevant in relation to Doc B. He throws around the facist card like I throw around the FLP card. There is nothing wrong in being a FLP, being a bona fide facist is another story.

Actually, I don't think Doc is mistaken in his labelling. I think he understands well the meaning of the word and its history.

Some other posters on here don't and misuse it rather dumbly. Mostly on the hard right, (e.g. Trudeau is a fascist, Biden is a fascist) but we also have one on the left who throws exaggerated hyperbolic roundhouses.

Justin Trudeau ordered the bank accounts of ordinary citizens seized, with no court order nor even formal charges. Just an executive edict from the office of the Prime Minister. Banks either complied or they lost their license to operate, as well as their officers threatened with arrest for failure to comply.

What do you call that, MD?

Canadian Law.

And a pretty darn reasonable one at that, though only used in quite unusual situations...such as the intentional and illegal damage to the economy perpetrated by extremists.

Not remotely "fascist".

The projection by hard right wingers is almost comical...would be, if it didn't fool so many gullible people.

The only thing “comical” in these threads is your remarkable consistency making excuses for the very worst vices of the left.

‘pretty darn reasonable’?!! Ayfkm?!???

I’d love for you to wake up one day unable to access your money, because DJT said you are a terrorist. Oh, no court application necessary, the new rules are if the Executive determines that your accounts should be seized, that’s all we need!!!

[MDlaxfan76]

Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

The old saying is soooooo obvious here... it takes one to know one...

does it? I don't think so.

IMO it is perfectly relevant in relation to Doc B. He throws around the facist card like I throw around the FLP card. There is nothing wrong in being a FLP, being a bona fide facist is another story.

Actually, I don't think Doc is mistaken in his labelling. I think he understands well the meaning of the word and its history.

Some other posters on here don't and misuse it rather dumbly. Mostly on the hard right, (e.g. Trudeau is a fascist, Biden is a fascist) but we also have one on the left who throws exaggerated hyperbolic roundhouses.

Justin Trudeau ordered the bank accounts of ordinary citizens seized, with no court order nor even formal charges. Just an executive edict from the office of the Prime Minister. Banks either complied or they lost their license to operate, as well as their officers threatened with arrest for failure to comply.

What do you call that, MD?

Canadian Law.

And a pretty darn reasonable one at that, though only used in quite unusual situations...such as the intentional and illegal damage to the economy perpetrated by extremists.

Not remotely "fascist".

The projection by hard right wingers is almost comical...would be, if it didn't fool so many gullible people.

The only thing “comical” in these threads is your remarkable consistency making excuses for the very worst vices of the left.

‘pretty darn reasonable’?!! Ayfkm?!???

I’d love for you to wake up one day unable to access your money, because DJT said you are a terrorist. Oh, no court application necessary, the new rules are if the Executive determines that your accounts should be seized, that’s all we need!!!

Hey, if I park my truck on a bridge and refuse to move it, on purpose to damage my community's economy, I'm prepared for the consequences of my decision, including economic ones.

That's what's missing in you right wing folks, any sense of willingness to be accountable for your actions.

And this was pretty darn reasonable set of consequences, far preferable to sending in the military to bash heads, maybe shoot a few protestors who refused to move.

[old salt]

If Zelenskyy does not offer an escape route which Putin will accept, the US will eventually go to war in Ukraine, along with some or all of NATO.
That will provide an opportunity to see if the use of tactical nuclear weapons can be limited to the battle space.

[MDlaxfan76]

If Zelenskyy does not offer an escape route which Putin will accept, the US will eventually go to war in Ukraine, along with some or all of NATO.
That will provide an opportunity to see if the use of tactical nuclear weapons can be limited to the battle space.

I don't think this is the right frame. Zelenskyy needn't offer anything Putin "will accept". Putin's military needs to be defeated. Aggression can't be rewarded.

If Putin then decides to use a nuke, that's when we declare that the Russian military has 24 hours to leave Ukraine and that anything firing at NATO's air cover or at Ukrainians will be destroyed immediately, and any identifiable Russians and military equipment not going the right direction after 24 hours will be destroyed immediately or confiscated. We don't retaliate with nukes and we say that loudly to the Russian military. But we destroy them if they don't turn tail or immediately surrender to the Ukrainians forces on the ground. We make it clear that they are welcome to surrender.

If they go nuclear again, katy bar the door, but we give their military an opportunity to revolt, the Russian people an opportunity to revolt.

[Peter Brown]

Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

The old saying is soooooo obvious here... it takes one to know one...

does it? I don't think so.

IMO it is perfectly relevant in relation to Doc B. He throws around the facist card like I throw around the FLP card. There is nothing wrong in being a FLP, being a bona fide facist is another story.

Actually, I don't think Doc is mistaken in his labelling. I think he understands well the meaning of the word and its history.

Some other posters on here don't and misuse it rather dumbly. Mostly on the hard right, (e.g. Trudeau is a fascist, Biden is a fascist) but we also have one on the left who throws exaggerated hyperbolic roundhouses.

Justin Trudeau ordered the bank accounts of ordinary citizens seized, with no court order nor even formal charges. Just an executive edict from the office of the Prime Minister. Banks either complied or they lost their license to operate, as well as their officers threatened with arrest for failure to comply.

What do you call that, MD?

Canadian Law.

And a pretty darn reasonable one at that, though only used in quite unusual situations...such as the intentional and illegal damage to the economy perpetrated by extremists.

Not remotely "fascist".

The projection by hard right wingers is almost comical...would be, if it didn't fool so many gullible people.

The only thing “comical” in these threads is your remarkable consistency making excuses for the very worst vices of the left.

‘pretty darn reasonable’?!! Ayfkm?!???

I’d love for you to wake up one day unable to access your money, because DJT said you are a terrorist. Oh, no court application necessary, the new rules are if the Executive determines that your accounts should be seized, that’s all we need!!!

Hey, if I park my truck on a bridge and refuse to move it, on purpose to damage my community's economy, I'm prepared for the consequences of my decision, including economic ones.

That's what's missing in you right wing folks, any sense of willingness to be accountable for your actions.

And this was pretty darn reasonable set of consequences, far preferable to sending in the military to bash heads, maybe shoot a few protestors who refused to move.

So next time BLM burns down a store, can President Trump go ahead and ask Treasury Secretary Mnuchin to seize all BLM coffers, without so much as a court warrant? Just give Stevie M the word and let him bankrupt the entities and people?

These are your standards. I just want to see if you’ll admit it.

[MDlaxfan76]

Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

The old saying is soooooo obvious here... it takes one to know one...

does it? I don't think so.

IMO it is perfectly relevant in relation to Doc B. He throws around the facist card like I throw around the FLP card. There is nothing wrong in being a FLP, being a bona fide facist is another story.

Actually, I don't think Doc is mistaken in his labelling. I think he understands well the meaning of the word and its history.

Some other posters on here don't and misuse it rather dumbly. Mostly on the hard right, (e.g. Trudeau is a fascist, Biden is a fascist) but we also have one on the left who throws exaggerated hyperbolic roundhouses.

Justin Trudeau ordered the bank accounts of ordinary citizens seized, with no court order nor even formal charges. Just an executive edict from the office of the Prime Minister. Banks either complied or they lost their license to operate, as well as their officers threatened with arrest for failure to comply.

What do you call that, MD?

Canadian Law.

And a pretty darn reasonable one at that, though only used in quite unusual situations...such as the intentional and illegal damage to the economy perpetrated by extremists.

Not remotely "fascist".

The projection by hard right wingers is almost comical...would be, if it didn't fool so many gullible people.

The only thing “comical” in these threads is your remarkable consistency making excuses for the very worst vices of the left.

‘pretty darn reasonable’?!! Ayfkm?!???

I’d love for you to wake up one day unable to access your money, because DJT said you are a terrorist. Oh, no court application necessary, the new rules are if the Executive determines that your accounts should be seized, that’s all we need!!!

Hey, if I park my truck on a bridge and refuse to move it, on purpose to damage my community's economy, I'm prepared for the consequences of my decision, including economic ones.

That's what's missing in you right wing folks, any sense of willingness to be accountable for your actions.

And this was pretty darn reasonable set of consequences, far preferable to sending in the military to bash heads, maybe shoot a few protestors who refused to move.

So next time BLM burns down a store, can President Trump go ahead and ask Treasury Secretary Mnuchin to seize all BLM coffers, without so much as a court warrant? Just give Stevie M the word and let him bankrupt the entities and people?

We don't have that Emergency power, so that would presumably be unlawful.

And, at least in my opinion, "BLM" was not the perpetrator of those burnings. But if you're asking me whether those who actually did burn down buildings should be subject to confiscation of their weapons, bombs, petrol, etc, you betcha. And I'd be fine in such extreme situation freezing the assets of anyone actually funding those bombs, those flames.

I'd prefer that sort of remedy to marching the military on them, shooting fellow Americans.

But that's me...would have to pass legislation first.

Want to see real fascism?
Head to Putin's Russia.

[old salt]

If Zelenskyy does not offer an escape route which Putin will accept, the US will eventually go to war in Ukraine, along with some or all of NATO.
That will provide an opportunity to see if the use of tactical nuclear weapons can be limited to the battle space.

I don't think this is the right frame. Zelenskyy needn't offer anything Putin "will accept". Putin's military needs to be defeated. Aggression can't be rewarded.

If Putin then decides to use a nuke, that's when we declare that the Russian military has 24 hours to leave Ukraine and that anything firing at NATO's air cover or at Ukrainians will be destroyed immediately, and any identifiable Russians and military equipment not going the right direction after 24 hours will be destroyed immediately or confiscated. We don't retaliate with nukes and we say that loudly to the Russian military. But we destroy them if they don't turn tail or immediately surrender to the Ukrainians forces on the ground. We make it clear that they are welcome to surrender.

If they go nuclear again, katy bar the door, but we give their military an opportunity to revolt, the Russian people an opportunity to revolt.

Your frame of reference will take us to war.

[MDlaxfan76]

If Zelenskyy does not offer an escape route which Putin will accept, the US will eventually go to war in Ukraine, along with some or all of NATO.
That will provide an opportunity to see if the use of tactical nuclear weapons can be limited to the battle space.

I don't think this is the right frame. Zelenskyy needn't offer anything Putin "will accept". Putin's military needs to be defeated. Aggression can't be rewarded.

Your frame of reference will take us to war.

We and the rest of the West are already at war, but by proxy. It's important to win it decisively. There are immense consequences of not doing so.

If Putin decides to attack NATO in any way directly, he'll have made that escalation and his military will be utterly destroyed. If he goes nuclear, we should follow the playbook I suggested, providing an opportunity for the Russian military and people to revolt.

It will be a horror beyond words, but our restraint will pay enormous dividends.

Poland is already asking to send in ground forces...we need to be restrained at each step.

[CU88]

Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

The old saying is soooooo obvious here... it takes one to know one...

does it? I don't think so.

IMO it is perfectly relevant in relation to Doc B. He throws around the facist card like I throw around the FLP card. There is nothing wrong in being a FLP, being a bona fide facist is another story.

Actually, I don't think Doc is mistaken in his labelling. I think he understands well the meaning of the word and its history.

Some other posters on here don't and misuse it rather dumbly. Mostly on the hard right, (e.g. Trudeau is a fascist, Biden is a fascist) but we also have one on the left who throws exaggerated hyperbolic roundhouses.

Justin Trudeau ordered the bank accounts of ordinary citizens seized, with no court order nor even formal charges. Just an executive edict from the office of the Prime Minister. Banks either complied or they lost their license to operate, as well as their officers threatened with arrest for failure to comply.

What do you call that, MD?

Canadian Law.

And a pretty darn reasonable one at that, though only used in quite unusual situations...such as the intentional and illegal damage to the economy perpetrated by extremists.

Not remotely "fascist".

The projection by hard right wingers is almost comical...would be, if it didn't fool so many gullible people.

The only thing “comical” in these threads is your remarkable consistency making excuses for the very worst vices of the left.

‘pretty darn reasonable’?!! Ayfkm?!???

I’d love for you to wake up one day unable to access your money, because DJT said you are a terrorist. Oh, no court application necessary, the new rules are if the Executive determines that your accounts should be seized, that’s all we need!!!

Hey, if I park my truck on a bridge and refuse to move it, on purpose to damage my community's economy, I'm prepared for the consequences of my decision, including economic ones.

That's what's missing in you right wing folks, any sense of willingness to be accountable for your actions.

And this was pretty darn reasonable set of consequences, far preferable to sending in the military to bash heads, maybe shoot a few protestors who refused to move.

So next time BLM burns down a store, can President Trump go ahead and ask Treasury Secretary Mnuchin to seize all BLM coffers, without so much as a court warrant? Just give Stevie M the word and let him bankrupt the entities and people?

We don't have that Emergency power, so that would presumably be unlawful.

And, at least in my opinion, "BLM" was not the perpetrator of those burnings. But if you're asking me whether those who actually did burn down buildings should be subject to confiscation of their weapons, bombs, petrol, etc, you betcha. And I'd be fine in such extreme situation freezing the assets of anyone actually funding those bombs, those flames.

I'd prefer that sort of remedy to marching the military on them, shooting fellow Americans.

But that's me...would have to pass legislation first.

Want to see real fascism?
Head to Putin's Russia.

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updat ... upremacist

https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/06/0 ... rella-man/


Throw the book at anyone damaging property, why don't some people see this as such a simple solution. They have blinders to "their own criminals"; yet see everyone else as belonging to a "group". I still find "ANTIFA" a wonderful obtuse usage by MAGA.

[CU88]

POTUS Biden has my support as long as he keeps to his points:

1. SANCTIONS on everything Russian,
2. Send intell & weapons to Ukraine,
3. Stay out of Ukraine but defend the first inch of dirt into NATO with the full force of NATO & USA forces

[MDlaxfan76]

POTUS Biden has my support as long as he keeps to his points:

1. SANCTIONS on everything Russian,
2. Send intell & weapons to Ukraine,
3. Stay out of Ukraine but defend the first inch of dirt into NATO with the full force of NATO & USA forces

I'm prepared to do the same thing I described if nuclear if Putin resorts to chemical/biological. Don't retaliate in kind, but give the ultimatum to the Russian military to desist and turn tail, or surrender. Make sure they hear you loud and clear, but then destroy any who don't comply.

Hopefully that doesn't become necessary and the Ukrainians can break the Russian will with our support through #1 and #2. Won't be easy and unlikely to be swift, but I hope it's inevitable.

[seacoaster]

Video played by Zelenskyy to Congress today:

https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/sta ... 3F4N8pAAAA

[Brooklyn]

France24 news is reporting tonight that thousands of men are fleeing Russia and crossing into Turkey to avoid the draft. I imagine that this news must be disturbing to those American right wingers who condemned those who fled into Canada to avoid the draft. Amirite?

[JoeMauer89]

France24 news is reporting tonight that thousands of men are fleeing Russia and crossing into Turkey to avoid the draft. I imagine that this news must be disturbing to those American right wingers who condemned those who fled into Canada to avoid the draft. Amirite?

What are you getting at here? As MD said earlier today, you can't see the picture inside a 1000 yard view. You realize it discredits the opinions you are trying to make because they are so demonstrably hyperbolic. How did someone who was raised and lived in NY for so long become such an extreme member of the left?

Joe