D1 Men Rankings

[wgdsr]

Too high:

Cuse
Loyola (they've been figured out "in film")
Hop -what other than their uniform says they are a top 20 team?

who should be higher than loyola?

[oldbartman]

Putting this back on page one to get the bickering going. Top teams drifting up or down starting to establish what I consider tiers, which for my list I will separate. This doesn't mean that any team can't beat any other team on this list (which this year seems more the case than perhaps ever). Here's my shot:

!. Duke
2. Penn State
3. Yale
4. Maryland
5. Ohio State

6. Cornell (only because they took down Towson who took down Loyola)
7. Towson
8. Loyola
9. High Point
10. Virginia
11. Notre Dame
12. Denver
13. Syracuse
14. Georgetown

15. Lehigh
16. Johns Hopkins
17. Penn
18. Army
19. North Carolina
20. UMass

Also considered: Richmond. Hobart. BU, Delaware, Rutgers

Have at it FanLaxers

I agree with your rankings with minor differences.

New Old Team Week's Result
1 1  Penn State (6 - 1) DNP
2 2  Duke (8 - 1) Beat Towson
3 4  Yale (4 - 1) Beat Cornell
4 6  Maryland (7 - 1) Beat Nova
5 9  Ohio State (6 - 0) DNP
6 3  Cornell (4 - 2) Lost to Yale
7 5  Towson (5 - 2) Lost to Duke
8 8  Loyola (5 - 2) Beat Navy
9 10  High Point (7 - 1) Beat VMI
10 12  Virginia (5 - 2) Beat ND
11 7  Notre Dame (3 - 2) Lost to UVA
12 11  Denver (4 - 2) DNP
13 13  Syracuse (4 - 2) Beat Rutgers
14 14  Georgetown (7 - 1) Beat Drexel
15 16  Lehigh (4 - 3) Beat Lafayette
16 17  Johns Hopkins (4 - 3) Beat Delaware
17 18  Army (6 - 2) Beat Holy Cross
18 20  Penn (3 - 3) Beat Princeton
19 21 Richmond (5-3) Beat Furman
20 24 North Carolina (6-2) Beat CSU
21 25 Hobart (5-1) Beat Wagner
22 28 UMass (5-3) Beat Utah
23 29 Boston University (6-2) Beat Bucknell
24 15  Rutgers (4 - 4) Lost to SU
25 19  Colgate (3 - 3) Lost to Hobart
26 22 Villanova (3-4) Lost to MD
27 23 Navy (4-3) Lost to Loyola
28 26 Princeton (2-4) Lost to Penn
29 27 Delaware (6-2) Lost to Hopkins

Correction. Colgate lost to Canisius. Gate plays Hobart on Tuesday.

[stupefied]

Duke
Penn State
Maryland
Yale
Cornell

Towson
Loyola
Ohio State
Virginia
Notre Dame

High Point
Denver
Syracuse
Georgetown
Lehigh


UMass
Richmond
Army
North Carolina
Hobart

[tech37]

Duke
Penn State
Maryland
Yale
Cornell

Towson
Loyola
Ohio State
Virginia
Notre Dame

High Point
Denver
Syracuse
Georgetown
Lehigh


UMass
Richmond
Army
North Carolina
Hobart

I like that you have UMass in, but IMO, Penn has to be in top 20 also.

Think I'd go:

Cuse
Lehigh
Penn
UMass
Gtown
Richmond
Army
UNC

I like Bart a lot but don't think they've proven themselves just yet.

[HooDat]

Too high:

Cuse
Loyola (they've been figured out "in film")
Hop -what other than their uniform says they are a top 20 team?

who should be higher than loyola?

that is a good question - but probably High Point and Ohio State to start. While Virginia lost to them, I would take the Hoos in a re-match.

[Cooter]

Too high:

Cuse
Loyola (they've been figured out "in film")
Hop -what other than their uniform says they are a top 20 team?

who should be higher than loyola?

that is a good question - but probably High Point and Ohio State to start. While Virginia lost to them, I would take the Hoos in a re-match.

I don't know about that being a reasonable assumption. While UVa's win over Notre Dame seems fairly impressive, that run of 3 overtime wins including Princeton and Brown, doesn't fully impress me that Virginia is a sure thing against any decent team.

[Cooter]

Coaches Poll for 3/18
1 Penn State (9) 362 6-1 1
2 Duke (6) 360 8-1 2
3 Yale (4) 358 4-1 3
4 Maryland 310 7-1 6
5 Ohio State 268 6-0 8
6 Loyola Maryland 266 5-2 9
7 Towson 253 5-2 5
8 Cornell 251 4-2 4
9 Virginia 226 5-2 11
10 High Point 194 7-1 12
11 Notre Dame 184 3-2 7
12 Syracuse 182 4-2 13
13 Denver 179 4-2 10
14 Georgetown 134 7-1 14
15 Johns Hopkins 87 4-3 17
16 North Carolina 78 6-2 15
17 Lehigh 68 5-3 20
18 Army West Point 66 6-2 18
19 Penn 63 3-3 NR
20 Massachusetts 39 5-3 NR

Others receiving votes: Rutgers 25, Richmond 21, Hobart 9, Villanova 3, Boston 3


I think I would put High Point at #6. Certainly their 1-goal loss to St.John's isn't great, but wins over top 10 teams: #2 Duke and #9 UVa, beats most other team's top wins.

[NElaxtalent]

Anyone else notice Masseys still has Utah listed as an MCLA team (ranked #84)?

It appears that it is adversely affecting the SOS of every team they have played.

I sent an email over the weekend but no response or change. Perhaps if others do likewise...

LaxBytes and Masseys have their own SOS approximations.

https://www.masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings

http://laxbytes.com/2019/binmenstats/sosing01.php

[runrussellrun]

Anyone else notice Masseys still has Utah listed as an MCLA team (ranked #84)?

It appears that it is adversely affecting the SOS of every team they have played.

I sent an email over the weekend but no response or change. Perhaps if others do likewise...

LaxBytes and Masseys have their own SOS approximations.

https://www.masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings

http://laxbytes.com/2019/binmenstats/sosing01.php

UMass Lowell only this year became N$aa eligible, so can't imagine Utes could get in this year. Unless the laxmafia granted them a waiver, like Furman got. ((sunshine Co) SOS is a poor stat to begin with, but including in-eligible teams (Hampton too) should be a no no not naugty

[NElaxtalent]

St Bonaventure & Hampton are both listed as "D1 Independent" and ranked #71 & #72 respectively out of 72 D1 teams.

Utah is listed as an MCLA-1 team & ranked #84 in D1 (though not 84 teams) but listed #1 in MCLA (b/c no other teams have game scores posted)

[Cooter]

Sort of interesting how the "Others receiving votes" list is getting rather short. Only 5 on the Coaches Poll, while it has length 7 on the media poll.

[Hawkeye]

Sort of interesting how the "Others receiving votes" list is getting rather short. Only 5 on the Coaches Poll, while it has length 7 on the media poll.

Convergence of opinions.

I suspect that there are about 17 teams that almost everyone has ranked. Doesn’t leave a lot of room for variation in those last slots.

[DU-fan]

I agree that it is more a case of consensus vs. only 20 good teams.

There are ~30 legitimate candidates for the top 20. The problem is the 'candidates' do not all play head to head with ranked teams so it is very hard to build a case to move a team in front of teams that are already ranked.

The NCAA tournament needs to move to 24 teams, so we have 8 Automatic Qualifiers and 16 at large. It would really be a lot of fun this year.

If you look at LaxBytes NCAA tournament probability for the top 30, all of these teams would be great to see in the NCAA tournament.

1 Yale 61.7
2 Towson 59.2
3 Loyola 55.01
4 Cornell 54.61
5 Ohio State 54.46
6 Duke 53.42
7 Maryland 50.49
8 Penn State 50.25
9 Denver 45.44
10 Notre Dame 42.76
11 Virginia 42.76
12 Penn 39.3
13 Hobart 38.3
14 High Point 37.6
15 Richmond 37.25
16 Georgetown 36.62
17 Johns Hopkins 35.39
18 Lehigh 34.85
19 Villanova 32.57
20 Boston U. 31.55
21 Syracuse 29.54
22 UMass 27.42
23 Air Force 25.22
24 Army 25.2
25 Albany 23.88
26 Colgate 23.02
27 Siena 20.4
28 Vermont 20.4
29 Hofstra 19.2
30 Sacred Heart 18.3

[HGK25]

Can’t expand given NCAA rule in regard to % of playoff teams vs total number of D1 teams. Agree would be great but mathematically not possible with only 71 D1 teams currently.

[DU-fan]

Can’t expand given NCAA rule in regard to % of playoff teams vs total number of D1 teams. Agree would be great but mathematically not possible with only 71 D1 teams currently.

What is the rule? Please share it. Thanks

[wgdsr]

they actually could just have 8 teams in and 16 play-ins in this scenario. it's semantics, but the nc$$ likes to bend rules for semantics.

unfortunately, they typically only like to do that when they're making money, not losing it. given the nc$$ picks the tab up everywhere for the tourney, until lax packs the stands for all these games, it's likely a non-starter.

[Homer]

Can’t expand given NCAA rule in regard to % of playoff teams vs total number of D1 teams. Agree would be great but mathematically not possible with only 71 D1 teams currently.

What is the rule? Please share it. Thanks

I'm not sure if it's a "rule" or more of a rough guideline, but I think the NCAA tries to keep tournament participation to around 15-20% of the total # of teams for D1 sports. Maybe somebody knows the exact number. Going up to 24 would be 1/3 of D1 getting in and almost certainly would never happen. I don't know of any other sport that gets remotely close to that.

UMass Lowell only this year became N$aa eligible, so can't imagine Utes could get in this year. Unless the laxmafia granted them a waiver, like Furman got. ((sunshine Co) SOS is a poor stat to begin with, but including in-eligible teams (Hampton too) should be a no no not naugty

There is no "waiver." UMass Lowell was reclassifying from D2 so that's why they had to sit out the probationary period. Doesn't apply to anybody else. Richmond made the tournament (play-in game) in their first year as a program.

We'll see an odd application of the rule next year when CW Post and Merrimack both join the NEC. Post is merging with LIU Brooklyn for athletics and will simply become the new LIU team (existing D1 member) and be immediately eligible. Mack however will have to wait 4 years to qualify for playoffs. Makes sense right?

[Farfromgeneva]

I thought they’re was some average number like 22-24% around but that’s my understanding. Probably best path would be to incrementally add two and change the math on who’s in and who has to play a play in with the potential to see greater breadth of post season participation, even if slightly diluted, spark greater notice and interest from ADs. Not saying that would happen but its a thesis that could justify supporting some small incremental growth in, hopefully with a better payoff than most municipal incentives that taxpayers pay for (ballparks, casinos, Corp relo, and etc).

[HooDat]

I don't know of any other sport that gets remotely close to that.

all true - but then the NC$$ get's to have their cake and eat it too on the football front. Technically there are only 4 "tournament teams" but effectively half or more of the programs play bowl games.....

what was that you said....?....

but the nc$$ likes to bend rules for semantics.

unfortunately, they typically only like to do that when they're making money

[10stone5]

Can’t expand given NCAA rule in regard to % of playoff teams vs total number of D1 teams. Agree would be great but mathematically not possible with only 71 D1 teams currently.

What is the rule? Please share it. Thanks

I'm not sure if it's a "rule" or more of a rough guideline, but I think the NCAA tries to keep tournament participation to around 15-20% of the total # of teams for D1 sports. Maybe somebody knows the exact number. Going up to 24 would be 1/3 of D1 getting in and almost certainly would never happen. I don't know of any other sport that gets remotely close to that.

UMass Lowell only this year became N$aa eligible, so can't imagine Utes could get in this year. Unless the laxmafia granted them a waiver, like Furman got. ((sunshine Co) SOS is a poor stat to begin with, but including in-eligible teams (Hampton too) should be a no no not naugty

There is no "waiver." UMass Lowell was reclassifying from D2 so that's why they had to sit out the probationary period. Doesn't apply to anybody else. Richmond made the tournament (play-in game) in their first year as a program.

We'll see an odd application of the rule next year when CW Post and Merrimack both join the NEC. Post is merging with LIU Brooklyn for athletics and will simply become the new LIU team (existing D1 member) and be immediately eligible. Mack however will have to wait 4 years to qualify for playoffs. Makes sense right?

So then what exactly is the NEC supposed to be here ?
With these two additions ?

The Division I developmental league ?!