D1 Men Rankings

[bigpappibear]

Total guesswork but ,if I were IL ,top ten would look something like this tomorrow:

1. Duke
2. Penn State
3. Yale
4. Maryland
5. Notre Dame
6. Ohio State
7. Cornell
8. Towson
9. High Point
10.Loyola

and just for yucks and giggles:

11. Denver
12. Georgetown

I have a hard time believing Cornell drops to #7 after badly beating the #1 team in the country. Duke and Penn State make sense for #1 and #2. Yale barely beat Penn State and has an ugly loss to Nova. Cornell's only loss is to Penn State, which may end up ranked #2 (certainly top 4). I'd argue Yale shouldn't be ranked above Cornell either (we'll know for sure next weekend when they play).

Just don't see ND, MD, and Ohio State ahead of Cornell. OSU doesn't have a strong win yet. Towson shouldn't drop to #8 after loosing to Cornell either. After Loyola lost to Towson, they didn't drop out of the top 5 and neither should Cornell.

[CU88]

Wow -

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... yhem/53962

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls

[The Orfling]

Pretty similar top 10 for both the Media Poll and the Coaches Poll, and very similar top 5, with Penn State #1, Duke #2, Cornell and Yale as the 3-4 (swapping who is at #3 in the two polls) and Towson #5. Penn State had a great weekend, scoring 43 goals in two games with a convincing win over a Cornell team that turned around and knocked off the #1 the same weekend followed by a doubling up of Jacksonville (24-11). Media Poll with five teams getting votes for #1, Coaches Poll with four teams getting votes for number one.

This emphasizes, again, that there are no Super Teams this year. Who keeps improving, who stays healthy, who gets the right bounces will determine who ends at number 1. Should continue to be a great season.

Inside Lacrosse/MEDIA POLL Top 10:https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls/19
1 Penn State
2 Duke
3 Cornell
4 Yale
5 Towson
6 Maryland
7 Notre Dame
8 Loyola
9 Ohio State
10 High Point

Coaches Poll Top 10: https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse- ... la-coaches
1 Penn State
2 Duke
3 Yale
4 Cornell
5 Towson
6 Maryland
7 Notre Dame
8 Ohio State
9 Loyola
10 Denver

[Cooter]

Coach's Poll for March 10:
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse- ... la-coaches
1 Penn State (12) 385 6-1 6
2 Duke (3) 365 6-1 5
3 Yale (4) 357 3-1 4
4 Cornell (1) 334 4-1 3
5 Towson 316 5-1 1
6 Maryland 301 6-1 7
7 Notre Dame 274 3-1 10
8 Ohio State 260 6-0 9
9 Loyola Maryland 255 4-2 2
10 Denver 198 4-2 8
11 Virginia 197 4-2 12
12 High Point 187 6-1 13
13 Syracuse 180 3-2 15
14 Georgetown 121 6-1 18
15 North Carolina 86 4-2 19
16 Rutgers 64 4-2 N/R
17 Johns Hopkins 55 2-3 17
18 Army West Point 54 4-2 16
19 Villanova 37 3-3 11
20 Lehigh 33 3-3 N/R

Others receiving votes: UMass 32, Richmond 30, Navy 22, Colgate 14, Hobart 12, Penn 11, Princeton 8, Delaware 2, Drexel 1

[Cooter]

This emphasizes, again, that there are no Super Teams this year. Who keeps improving, who stays healthy, who gets the right bounces will determine who ends at number 1. Should continue to be a great season.

Perhaps no Super Teams, but we still could have some teams arising from the top group into a smaller outstanding group. There might just not have been enough games played to show this separation up to this point.

[Henpecked]

I am not sure how you figure out the top 12 or so. I look at every poll out there and say to myself, "yeah that looks about right." But they are all different.

The fact is, many of these teams are very good but each has shown a flaw, however small. Any team can beat the other on any given day. I am sure that this is all going to shake out over the next 6 to 7 weeks with conference games and tournaments. The one thing I can say for sure is that there are going to be four or five VERY good teams looking at the NCAAs from the outside. (Personally, I have always thought that the field should be slightly larger (24?), but there are many valid counter arguments for not expanding the NCAA tournament).

I have a feeling that the way this year is shaping up, there will be more than the usual 1 or 2 teams complaining this year. I would hate to be the guy answering for the selection committee in May.

Fun times. Gotta love it!

[xxxxxxx]

The polls are funny in that if you get ranked preseason it really matters. I'll use Lehigh as an example and I have no relationship with them for or against. They get to the Partiot Finals last year with a great run to finish 2018. They start around 13 in the preseason. They are still ranked in the top 20 with a 3-3 record, wins over Army, Colgate, and NJIT, losses to UVA, Hofstra, and Cornell. I see several other teams not in the top 20 with similar or better records/SOS. It really matters where you start, at least in the media poll.

[Henpecked]

xxxxxx,

I agree completely. But you could toss #15-30 in a hat and pull out as accurate a ranking at this point. In all likelihood, Lehigh is not getting an at-large bid anyway, so it is irrelevant what their ranking is. They have to win the Patriot League or get very lucky in order to get in the tournament at this stage, given all the teams lined up in front of them. The Hofstra loss looks like a killer for them and the only ranked teams they have left on the schedule are Rutgers and Loyola - Win both? Maybe.

I also think some of the pollsters factored in some momentum (Colgate and Army are nice wins) for Lehigh after some early-season injuries left them shorthanded.

[runrussellrun]

(Personally, I have always thought that the field should be slightly larger (24?), but there are many valid counter arguments for not expanding the NCAA tournament).

Would love to hear the many, b/c all I have ever heard/read is the percentage of what other sports invite. Who cares what other sports do. For many reasons, who cares. the comparisons are only empirical, at best. Or, you can go full in math and see the disparity in scores, regular season, playoffs. Go ahead, divide a basketball score by 6 to roughly get a lacrosse score. IE: Duke beat Stenson, in hoops, by a lacrosse score of 18 to 7....what

You really want to compare basketball (ma$e it $rain, $$$$$$) to lacrosse.

Basketball gets to have 13 full athletic scholarships. For a sport that requires 5 participants.
Lacrosse gets less. 12.6. Men's lacrosse requires 10.
Coaching staff ratio
Basketball ball, it's 1 to 2, coaches to players.
Lacrosse, its 1 to 12, coaches to players.

[The Orfling]

This emphasizes, again, that there are no Super Teams this year. Who keeps improving, who stays healthy, who gets the right bounces will determine who ends at number 1. Should continue to be a great season.

Perhaps no Super Teams, but we still could have some teams arising from the top group into a smaller outstanding group. There might just not have been enough games played to show this separation up to this point.

Cooter, I absolutely agree with you. For example, I'd wager than Maryland will be there in May for the Final Four. I think the same for Duke. Less certain about who the other two teams will be -- maybe Penn State keeps on rolling, but I'd like to see how they match up in Big Ten play against Maryland. As you say, we will need some additional games to see that long-term separation.

[CU88]

Can someone post the latest SOS?

[10stone5]

LaxBytes and Masseys have their own SOS approximations.

https://www.masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings

http://laxbytes.com/2019/binmenstats/sosing01.php

[xxxxxxx]

LaxBytes and Masseys have their own SOS approximations.

https://www.masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings

http://laxbytes.com/2019/binmenstats/sosing01.php

Can someone explain the relevance of the Laxbytes poll above?

Penn State #19 at 6-1
Ohio St #28 at 6-0
Delaware #69 at 6-1 with Hartford above them #68 at 0-6

Is this actually to be taken seriously or for amusement purposes only?

[Gobigred]

LaxBytes and Masseys have their own SOS approximations.

https://www.masseyratings.com/clax/ncaa-d1/ratings

http://laxbytes.com/2019/binmenstats/sosing01.php

Can someone explain the relevance of the Laxbytes poll above?

Penn State #19 at 6-1
Ohio St #28 at 6-0
Delaware #69 at 6-1 with Hartford above them #68 at 0-6

Is this actually to be taken seriously or for amusement purposes only?

These are strength of schedule rankings, not rankings or a poll of team performance. Chill.

[CU88]

Yale at #12????

http://fanlax.com/fanlax/2019/03/13/201 ... L3lODJ3TXw

[44WeWantMore]

Massey has them at 4, but, and I know it is still early, but Lax Bytes at 10 is in the ballpark.

[calourie]

Putting this back on page one to get the bickering going. Top teams drifting up or down starting to establish what I consider tiers, which for my list I will separate. This doesn't mean that any team can't beat any other team on this list (which this year seems more the case than perhaps ever). Here's my shot:

!. Duke
2. Penn State
3. Yale
4. Maryland
5. Ohio State

6. Cornell (only because they took down Towson who took down Loyola)
7. Towson
8. Loyola
9. High Point
10. Virginia
11. Notre Dame
12. Denver
13. Syracuse
14. Georgetown

15. Lehigh
16. Johns Hopkins
17. Penn
18. Army
19. North Carolina
20. UMass

Also considered: Richmond. Hobart. BU, Delaware, Rutgers

Have at it FanLaxers

[joewillie78]

I think BROWN needs to also get some love. They are a very dangerous team, that can score with anyone.

GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

[HooDat]

Too high:

Cuse
Loyola (they've been figured out "in film")
Hop -what other than their uniform says they are a top 20 team?

[DU-fan]

Putting this back on page one to get the bickering going. Top teams drifting up or down starting to establish what I consider tiers, which for my list I will separate. This doesn't mean that any team can't beat any other team on this list (which this year seems more the case than perhaps ever). Here's my shot:

!. Duke
2. Penn State
3. Yale
4. Maryland
5. Ohio State

6. Cornell (only because they took down Towson who took down Loyola)
7. Towson
8. Loyola
9. High Point
10. Virginia
11. Notre Dame
12. Denver
13. Syracuse
14. Georgetown

15. Lehigh
16. Johns Hopkins
17. Penn
18. Army
19. North Carolina
20. UMass

Also considered: Richmond. Hobart. BU, Delaware, Rutgers

Have at it FanLaxers

I agree with your rankings with minor differences.

New Old Team Week's Result
1 1  Penn State (6 - 1) DNP
2 2  Duke (8 - 1) Beat Towson
3 4  Yale (4 - 1) Beat Cornell
4 6  Maryland (7 - 1) Beat Nova
5 9  Ohio State (6 - 0) DNP
6 3  Cornell (4 - 2) Lost to Yale
7 5  Towson (5 - 2) Lost to Duke
8 8  Loyola (5 - 2) Beat Navy
9 10  High Point (7 - 1) Beat VMI
10 12  Virginia (5 - 2) Beat ND
11 7  Notre Dame (3 - 2) Lost to UVA
12 11  Denver (4 - 2) DNP
13 13  Syracuse (4 - 2) Beat Rutgers
14 14  Georgetown (7 - 1) Beat Drexel
15 16  Lehigh (4 - 3) Beat Lafayette
16 17  Johns Hopkins (4 - 3) Beat Delaware
17 18  Army (6 - 2) Beat Holy Cross
18 20  Penn (3 - 3) Beat Princeton
19 21 Richmond (5-3) Beat Furman
20 24 North Carolina (6-2) Beat CSU
21 25 Hobart (5-1) Beat Wagner
22 28 UMass (5-3) Beat Utah
23 29 Boston University (6-2) Beat Bucknell
24 15  Rutgers (4 - 4) Lost to SU
25 19  Colgate (3 - 3) Lost to Hobart
26 22 Villanova (3-4) Lost to MD
27 23 Navy (4-3) Lost to Loyola
28 26 Princeton (2-4) Lost to Penn
29 27 Delaware (6-2) Lost to Hopkins