All things CoronaVirus

[youthathletics]

Here we go...

People are developing diabetes after COVID-19. It might be because the virus messing with insulin-producing cells, new research suggests.

Some COVID-19 patients have been developing symptoms of diabetes after infection.

This has scientists asking if COVID-19 could trigger diabetes.

Early findings suggest that the coronavirus could be prompting the pancreas to self-destruct.

Well, it may be a viral thing and not COVID thing.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 193138.htm

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... ed-to-flu/

Crazy times

[ggait]

So we are to post the entirety of every article...whatever. Hell, you can not even quote a poster so they carry on a conversation with you. GO back to crying about everything.

So tell us YA.

What exactly did you mean to communicate by posting this:

Here we go......

Sweden, Denmark pause Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups

That the risk of getting myocarditis is MUCH greater if you are not vaxed?

That these countries are simply swapping out one safe/approved/effective Covid vaccine for another (also safe/approved/effective) in one limited demo?

That these countries strongly continue to recommend strongly that everyone get vaxed?

Tell us. We'll wait.

[MDlaxfan76]

Canada mandates vaccines (over 12) for train and air travel.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/cana ... index.html

The US Surgeon General shot this idea down in the US pretty quickly. So if you are posting this as some sort of intimation that this means it's more likely to happen in the United States, I'm puzzled. Even though you are clear in your belief that unvaccinated people are not human beings, they need to be able to travel in the case of emergencies, e.g. to visit a dying family member that's not within reasonable driving distance, etc. This will cause similar issues in Canada. You don't give a rat's ass if these policies are effective or not, just that they are implemented. Living in a fantasy-land, it's MD's world and are all just passing through.

Joe

well, there you go again, Joe, with some pretty major assumptions and leaps about how I feel and think...quite incorrectly yet again. Not sure why you decide to blow out at me, so mistakenly, each time...suggestion: just ask me what I think without the assumptions or offensive hyperbole.

On the specific policy, I'd definitely be in favor of a vaccine requirement, or if valid exception, a recent test result.

Neither of which prevents someone from traveling. And are certainly achievable for anyone. Easiest is to simply be vaccinated (ideal for public policy). If for some reason that's really an issue, and there's an actual emergency, a rapid test is very easy too.

It requires a vaccine passport process, ala what is being implemented through much of Europe and elsewhere.

The United States has not yet committed to such, though I expect we eventually will for any interstate or international, federally regulated, travel. And we'll need to do it if we wish to travel to these various countries.

"though I expect we eventually will for any interstate or international, federally regulated, travel"

That's what you WOULD LIKE to happen, but you are not setting public policy for the US, nor am I. I'm getting at the fact your expectation's are consistently out of touch with reality. Have you seen how much pushback and strife the vaccine mandate has caused? (I'm not saying I am for or against this, I am vaccinated) Doing what you have suggested is not something that's just going to pass as legislation in the course of 24 hours, there may not even be legal precedent for it in the sense that during the HEIGHT OF THE PANDEMIC, interstate travel was not banned. Having a vaccine available that some refuse to receive does not mean that such a SERIOUS measure will be accepted, in the court of public opinion, and MOST importantly in the court of law at the highest level. How's the weather in Florida?

Joe

Joe, you're missing that interstate travel (and international) is federally regulated. No legislation required.
No chance of it being an issue at SCOTUS, entirely within scope of public health and the Admin doesn't need congressional approval.

Of course I'm not setting policy, this is merely my opinion both as to what should be done (see my criticism above in my earlier post, highlighted by blue, re Biden Admin) and my expectation that it's coming whether we like it or not.

I made the prediction that we would see employer level mandates and was not surprised to see that occur on a federal level. I've also made the prediction that vaccine mandates/testing for travel are coming and I'm not surprised that the Europeans and Canadians and a slew of others are out in front of us on this...that said, I'm critical of the Biden Admin for dawdling.

Of course, you're quite correct that some people will nevertheless not be willing to be vaccinated. That's their choice. But there are and should be costs to making such a choice, versus various benefits of being vaccinated.

Why? Because the unvaccinated cost all the rest of us, as we've discussed ad nauseam.

I do think that having an emergency testing 'out' makes sense, if simply to address the very few who have legitimate reasons o not be vaccinated. Being a kook or dumb doesn't cut it, but there are indeed legit reasons for a few.

[Typical Lax Dad]

So we are to post the entirety of every article...whatever. Hell, you can not even quote a poster so they carry on a conversation with you. GO back to crying about everything.

So tell us YA.

What exactly did you mean to communicate by posting this:

Here we go......

Sweden, Denmark pause Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups

That the risk of getting myocarditis is MUCH greater if you are not vaxed?

That these countries are simply swapping out one safe/approved/effective Covid vaccine for another (also safe/approved/effective) in one limited demo?

That these countries strongly continue to recommend strongly that everyone get vaxed?

Tell us. We'll wait.

A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy

[wgdsr]

So we are to post the entirety of every article...whatever. Hell, you can not even quote a poster so they carry on a conversation with you. GO back to crying about everything.

So tell us YA.

What exactly did you mean to communicate by posting this:

Here we go......

Sweden, Denmark pause Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups

That the risk of getting myocarditis is MUCH greater if you are not vaxed?

That these countries are simply swapping out one safe/approved/effective Covid vaccine for another (also safe/approved/effective) in one limited demo?

That these countries strongly continue to recommend strongly that everyone get vaxed?

Tell us. We'll wait.

as long as we're here, how about some background/data on your doc's claim that it happens @ 10% with infection? (or 5-15%, whichever)

[ggait]

If you think the cardiologist in that article is blowing smoke, fire up the google and then tell us why you think that.

FYI, Ontario has switched the young uns over to an alternate vax too for the time being. Doesn’t seem like a big deal. The myocarditis risk is small, but no reason not to make it even smaller when you can so easily switch from one safe/effective/approved/available vaccine over to another one.

Wonder why YA wasn’t fear porning about that?

Here we go....!

[wgdsr]

If you think the cardiologist in that article is blowing smoke, fire up the google and then tell us why you think that.

FYI, Ontario has switched the young uns over to an alternate vax too for the time being. Doesn’t seem like a big deal. The myocarditis risk is small, but no reason not to make it even smaller when you can so easily switch from one safe/effective/approved/available vaccine over to another one.

Wonder why YA wasn’t fear porning about that?

Here we go....!

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210 ... ldren.aspx
just a few of them by memory:
for adolescent (males?) 162 million per 1 m for 12-15 (3 x expected) and 94 per, 40% higher than expected in 16-17yrs.

fda identified 1 in 5,000 risk from vaccination teenage males, not 100k. 95% hospitalized.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... ccination/

so 77 per million here on vaxx vs what they say is 450 per million after being infected.

so we have some kind of rate there between 77 and 162 / 200 per million for vaxxed.

his rate for vaxxed is 1 in a 100,000 where these other guys say a factor of 7.7 to 20 that number. that's a gap! i don't even know what that means in combo with....

his rate is 100,000 per million for infection, theirs is 450. or 0.45% of estimate (guesstimate?), or a factor of over 200x. i mean, i should have exclamation points in there!

both talked about pfizer, fwiw.

so just given everything, discourse, etc... who's right on these estimates? edmonton-cardiologist-dr-guy? maybe. i just pulled up the first couple sciency sounding spots on the internet with a general search. and didn't quote everything!
caveat emptor.

[runrussellrun]

So we are to post the entirety of every article...whatever. Hell, you can not even quote a poster so they carry on a conversation with you. GO back to crying about everything.

So tell us YA.

What exactly did you mean to communicate by posting this:

Here we go......

Sweden, Denmark pause Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups

That the risk of getting myocarditis is MUCH greater if you are not vaxed?

That these countries are simply swapping out one safe/approved/effective Covid vaccine for another (also safe/approved/effective) in one limited demo?

That these countries strongly continue to recommend strongly that everyone get vaxed?

Tell us. We'll wait.

A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy

So well read...........congrats...

[runrussellrun]

If you think the cardiologist in that article is blowing smoke, fire up the google and then tell us why you think that.

FYI, Ontario has switched the young uns over to an alternate vax too for the time being. Doesn’t seem like a big deal. The myocarditis risk is small, but no reason not to make it even smaller when you can so easily switch from one safe/effective/approved/available vaccine over to another one.

Wonder why YA wasn’t fear porning about that?

Here we go....!

The young are DYING of covid now.....ggait....THIS is what you are saying?

Nonsense.......

....yet give them a vaccine that may hurt their heart.....because, the RISK is small for the young of the world , of dying of covid. FACT.

[Farfromgeneva]

So we are to post the entirety of every article...whatever. Hell, you can not even quote a poster so they carry on a conversation with you. GO back to crying about everything.

So tell us YA.

What exactly did you mean to communicate by posting this:

Here we go......

Sweden, Denmark pause Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups

That the risk of getting myocarditis is MUCH greater if you are not vaxed?

That these countries are simply swapping out one safe/approved/effective Covid vaccine for another (also safe/approved/effective) in one limited demo?

That these countries strongly continue to recommend strongly that everyone get vaxed?

Tell us. We'll wait.

A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy

So well read...........congrats...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6samPEMpM

[youthathletics]

At least she is honest...."I’m Only Wearing My Mask Because a ‘Republican Tracker’ is Watching". Can we blame her for deaths now?

[wgdsr]

for those with their kiddos that want in, pfizer requests authorization for 5-11 year olds. for some reason, they can't get together to vote on it for nearly 3 weeks, but may be available a week or more after oct 26 if approved. generates a robust immune response.

[kramerica.inc]

Despite what was originally claimed and thought, Embryonic cells used at Pfizer.
Now with the DoD mandates and people losing their jobs over vaccine refusals, Religious exemptions will be a real thing. The lawsuits will be staggering.
Biden, first with Afghanistan, again getting bad advice when pushing through decisions.

[a fan]

....yet give them a vaccine that may hurt their heart.....because, the RISK is small for the young of the world , of dying of covid. FACT.

Uh oh. RRR is peddling fear porn again.

[a fan]

Despite what was originally claimed and thought, Embryonic cells used at Pfizer.
Now with the DoD mandates and people losing their jobs over vaccine refusals, Religious exemptions will be a real thing. The lawsuits will be staggering.
Biden, first with Afghanistan, again getting bad advice when pushing through decisions.

This piece has holes in it that you could drive a freight train through......

What's this lady's CV, for starters? If she's an expert on this stuff, why leave it out?

Taking heavily edited emails---and an obviously heavily edited video doesn't cut it. Let's hold the parade here, Kram, and get some real investigation into these allegations.

This has already been a story, btw, albeit for other vaccines...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-v ... 1614722452

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/us/maryl ... index.html

What are the odds that this dude lives in a basement?

[Farfromgeneva]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/us/maryl ... index.html

What are the odds that this dude lives in a basement?

Don’t forget the attic

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d2e4a8c0-e ... 0b1e411dac

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/us/maryl ... index.html

What are the odds that this dude lives in a basement?

Don’t forget the attic

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d2e4a8c0-e ... 0b1e411dac

Or the crawl space.

[youthathletics]

Despite what was originally claimed and thought, Embryonic cells used at Pfizer.
Now with the DoD mandates and people losing their jobs over vaccine refusals, Religious exemptions will be a real thing. The lawsuits will be staggering.
Biden, first with Afghanistan, again getting bad advice when pushing through decisions.

This piece has holes in it that you could drive a freight train through......

What's this lady's CV, for starters? If she's an expert on this stuff, why leave it out?

Taking heavily edited emails---and an obviously heavily edited video doesn't cut it. Let's hold the parade here, Kram, and get some real investigation into these allegations.

This has already been a story, btw, albeit for other vaccines...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-v ... 1614722452

The point of the post was a mandate vs religious exception. Is there some precedent stating that the mandate overrules all personal religious beliefs of not being force to inject human parts into ones body?

Hell, you can be sued by a vegan if the dietary content is inaccurate on a box of jello....and win.

[kramerica.inc]

Despite what was originally claimed and thought, Embryonic cells used at Pfizer.
Now with the DoD mandates and people losing their jobs over vaccine refusals, Religious exemptions will be a real thing. The lawsuits will be staggering.
Biden, first with Afghanistan, again getting bad advice when pushing through decisions.

This piece has holes in it that you could drive a freight train through......

What's this lady's CV, for starters? If she's an expert on this stuff, why leave it out?

Taking heavily edited emails---and an obviously heavily edited video doesn't cut it. Let's hold the parade here, Kram, and get some real investigation into these allegations.

This has already been a story, btw, albeit for other vaccines...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-v ... 1614722452

I agree. I don't say its gospel. All easy things to find out. She may be a nutjob. But its certainly different than the party line and worth some digging and questions.

It's interesting to me because in my industry the DoD has mandated vaccines on bases and while they are allowing some "religious" exemptions, they are making it very difficult with the paperwork. 4x Witnesses, pastor signatures, etc. Not just people's word. This revelation will likely bind together certain segments who don't like the Vax and make it more of a religious exemption than it could have been before. Thus making the DoD's position much weaker.