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tech37 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:08 pm
seacoaster wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:54 pm
tech37 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:03 pm
jhu72 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:30 pm
tech37 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:35 am 90 retired Generals and Admirals call for Milley and Austin to resign immediately

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rawal.html
Those generals and admirals subscribed to the BIG LIE. Conspiracy theorists.
:roll: Yeah, so what? What does their opinion re the Afghan withdrawal (opinions based on military experience) have to do with any of their other opinions? There's no "conspiracy" as to how badly Biden and his people botched things. That is crystal clear to anyone who isn't a hyper-partisan such as yourself, and I would bet, crystal clear to the majority of the country.
“Yeah, so what?” That’s funny.
In the fever swamp mind, everything's independent, and it's all a massive f-up by the left, no matter what.

tech, these particular a-holes are the ones delusionally partisan, their judgment on ANY topic becomes enormously suspect given their endorsement of the Big Lie. They're idiotic and quite delusional dinosaurs.

Notwithstanding that reality, there's plenty to critique on how the withdrawal was executed as well as much to applaud. Lots to discuss and will give historians plenty to chew on for years to come. But these idiots' opinions won't factor in. Others' will though. And many will be critical, undoubtedly.

But when we look at what the various retired military folks have to say, we need to parse out who is trying to protect their personal 'legacy' and who is willing to be self-critical. the latter will have the most credibility, not the former...for instance Adm Mullen's views will have some added credibility because of his self-critique.
:oops: Oh what I would pay to see you call one of these people "a-hole" to their face...
Happy to do so. Big Lie proponents are delusional 'a-holes'.
Period, end of story.

I do tend to be more polite than that, but I certainly wouldn't shy away. These guys should be ignored.

There's plenty of credible folks to listen to who will have critiques.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:48 pm
old salt wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:27 pm
dislaxxic wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:39 am
old salt wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:15 amhttps://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/1 ... ban-505165
Support for the American military withdrawal from Afghanistan dropped 20 percentage points from April to August as the Taliban takeover of the country accelerated,
38 percent said the U.S. should still withdraw if the Taliban regains control of most of Afghanistan. Forty-five percent of voters said the U.S. should probably or definitely not withdraw, a larger share than those who generally opposed the decision to withdraw.

...& that was before the fall of Kabul, the evac debacle & the KIA's @ HKIA.
The American public has been lied to about this "war", this occupation, for 20 years, their opinions about it totally misinformed. The training of an Afghan force had been underway for 10 years at least. THAT'S the major failure here, the failure of the trainers and facilitators that threw money at the issue for years without a CLUE about the dynamics, the culture, of the country. The "government" installed there was hopelessly corrupt and fully intertwined with the American military-industrial complex that has been feeding at the trough of slush provided by the American Taxpayer for decades.
You can't occupy a country of that size with 2,500 troops.
How large was the ASF?

Wasn't the whole point that they "occupy" their own country?

We didn't succeed with a massive surge (didn't help that we told the enemy that we wouldn't be staying even as we surged), we didn't succeed when it was 20k, 10k, and it certainly wasn't going to succeed with just 2,500.

We're simply not in the 'occupying' business.

I go back to the argument that we could and should have accepted the Taliban's offer for an unconditional surrender some 18-19 years ago. We'd made our point. But instead we became occupiers. And worse, allied with a corrupt government.

Or, at a minimum after Bin Laden was put down.
I maintain that we've been succeeding with an ever smaller presence every year since 2015.

Dialing back to 2002-3, we hadn't decimated AQ yet & we didn't have a bead on OBL yet.

It's an interesting academic exercise, but it really doesn't matter anymore. We're out, for better or for worse.
What matters now is how many Americans, their Afghan family members & Afghan allies we can help get out.
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runrussellrun wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:29 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:15 am
tech37 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:35 am 90 retired Generals and Admirals call for Milley and Austin to resign immediately

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rawal.html
Clearly there is some there...there. MIght it be that these military folks are doing what they promised when they swore in.
What's that,our welfare NAVY focusing on naming our welfare FLEET after some politically correct nonsense......meanwhile our ships captians have zero clue of what magnetic derivation is.......the gps tells all :roll:
Maybe not, but they do know what magnetic variation, magnetic declination & magnetic deviation are.
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Ann Coulter praises Biden's balls. :lol: Thanks him for keeping his promise.
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...& Blinken did nothing to fix to fix it until June, after the withdrawal was underway & Congress passed legislation to speed the process.

Biden said they didn't want a bunch of departures -- claiming that would undermine confidence in the Ghani govt.

Biden assured them they wouldn't need to leave, assuring them that the large, well equipped ASF would prevail & the Ghani govt would not collapse.
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old salt wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:49 am
...& Blinken did nothing to fix to fix it until June, after the withdrawal was underway & Congress passed legislation to speed the process.

Biden said they didn't want a bunch of departures -- claiming that would undermine confidence in the Ghani govt.
Blinken should have moved to fix it earlier, however nothing he could have done other than waving all security checks could have changed the situation substantially. This is a price the country pays for the Trump presidency. They intentionally crippled the Department of State, you don't rebuild to a 2016 State Department from a 2020 State Department in 8 months.
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jhu72 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:08 am This is a price the country pays for the Trump presidency. They intentionally crippled the Department of State, you don't rebuild to a 2016 State Department from a 2020 State Department in 8 months.
This is pure leftist hyperbole gold right here. When things do not go as planned blame someone else or whomever is not in the room. So by your statement jhu....Tump intentionally threw the 2020 election and set landmines at every turn for the next guy. And yet, his admin signed the treaty, knowing he'd have to deal with it should he win in 2020. You make perfect sense......the new admin, was so focused on giving Trump the middle finger the failed to run the damned county.

Maybe you are on to something.....maybe both sides are intentionally trying to screw the US.
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:17 am Maybe you are on to something.....maybe both sides are intentionally trying to screw the US.
I agree that you're on to something here. It appears to me that many politicians are doing the self-preservation thing regardless of the potential ramifications for the country. It's every man and/or woman for themselves sadly.
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:17 am
jhu72 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:08 am This is a price the country pays for the Trump presidency. They intentionally crippled the Department of State, you don't rebuild to a 2016 State Department from a 2020 State Department in 8 months.
This is pure leftist hyperbole gold right here. When things do not go as planned blame someone else or whomever is not in the room. So by your statement jhu....Tump intentionally threw the 2020 election and set landmines at every turn for the next guy. And yet, his admin signed the treaty, knowing he'd have to deal with it should he win in 2020. You make perfect sense......the new admin, was so focused on giving Trump the middle finger the failed to run the damned county.

Maybe you are on to something.....maybe both sides are intentionally trying to screw the US.
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN??? :roll:

Trump didn't think the State Department was necessary - he could do it all by himself, him and a few toadies. Look at how much Trump downsized (his administration) DOS. How many career diplomats departed, resigned under Trump. Yes TRUMP played a big role in what happened with SIV program. He signed the treaty purely in an attempt to get re-elected, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY REALITY IN AFGHANISTAN OR WASHINGTON.
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jhu72 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:29 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:17 am
jhu72 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:08 am This is a price the country pays for the Trump presidency. They intentionally crippled the Department of State, you don't rebuild to a 2016 State Department from a 2020 State Department in 8 months.
This is pure leftist hyperbole gold right here. When things do not go as planned blame someone else or whomever is not in the room. So by your statement jhu....Tump intentionally threw the 2020 election and set landmines at every turn for the next guy. And yet, his admin signed the treaty, knowing he'd have to deal with it should he win in 2020. You make perfect sense......the new admin, was so focused on giving Trump the middle finger the failed to run the damned county.

Maybe you are on to something.....maybe both sides are intentionally trying to screw the US.
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN??? :roll:

Trump didn't think the State Department was necessary - he could do it all by himself, him and a few toadies. Look at how much Trump downsized (his administration) DOS. How many career diplomats departed, resigned under Trump. Yes TRUMP played a big role in what happened with SIV program. He signed the treaty purely in an attempt to get re-elected, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY REALITY IN AFGHANISTAN OR WASHINGTON.
Come on man....you know full well we do not need a million people in the DoS. I run the halls of these types of places....there are people sitting at desks with nothing on them other than nail polish, files, and magazines. The real workers are those feeding the top people intel....so yes, they can afford to downsize.

OF course they rolled...like Paul Ryan and his boys who were scared of a little fight. Like RINO MDLAX ;) .

In your business, do you need 10 more people mucking up your decision making.....exactly.
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All this fuss over the Taliban retaking control over Afghanistan, and almost nothing on the Taliban taking over Texas.

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DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:26 am All this fuss over the Taliban retaking control over Afghanistan, and almost nothing on the Taliban taking over Texas.

DocBarrister :roll:

Wasn't the Taliban - it was al Qaeda:


Texas Governor, Law Enforcement On High Alert In Wake Of Al Qaeda Threats ... "Texans should go about their daily lives as usual, but remain vigilant," he says in light of CBS report on planned strikes in Texas.


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Gov. Greg Abbott and law enforcement agencies issued statements on Friday in the wake of a report that al Qaeda could be planning attacks in Texas, New York and Virginia in the run-up to the general election.

"My office is working with law enforcement officials and we are continuing to monitor the situation in close coordination with the Texas Department of Public Safety," Abbott wrote. "Texans should go about their daily lives as usual, but remain vigilant over the next several days and report any suspicious activity to state or local law enforcement."

Abbott's missive comes in the wake of a CBS News report that U.S. intelligence officials are warning that the terrorist group al Qaeda could be planning attacks in Texas, as well as New York and Virginia. However, the credibility of the intelligence has not been confirmed, CBS News acknowledged.

The Austin Police Department also issued a statement, saying they were working in tandem with state and federal counterparts to safeguard the region.

"The Austin Police Department continues to monitor the reported threats directed towards next week's national elections," the APD statement read. "We are working closely with all our public safety partners, both locally and federally. APD had already enhanced our security posture for next week and will make any necessary additional adjustments if the need arises. It is important for our community to remain vigilant and report any suspicious behavior or activity."

Texas Department of Public Safety officials, meanwhile, broke protocol in detailing their own actions in the wake of the report, if only to assuage an anxious public, the agency said in a prepared statement.


"While we do not typically discuss security issues, we can say that DPS is constantly in touch with fellow law enforcement and intelligence officials, including our Joint Terrorism Task Force partners," agency officials wrote. "DPS is continually monitoring events involving potential public safety impacts across the state and nation. We can also assure Texans that we adjust our level of vigilance to meet any potential or emerging threats, and will also adjust our security measures as threats warrant.

Whether or not the threats are credible, they fit a pattern from such groups typically issuing ominous missives during events of high turnout from the general public. High-profile events such as the upcoming election for president on Nov. 8, holidays and sporting events yield rich fodder for terroristic narratives about imminent attack toward suffusing the public mood with fear and anxiety.

At times, state lawmakers only add to the anxiety in response in succumbing to such terrorist-related fears or latching on to peripheral matters for political gain. In September, Abbott pulled Texas out of a longstanding pact with the U.S. Refugee Resettlement Program that was working to resettle Syrian refugees -- largely women and children -- fleeing from political violence.

Abbott posited at the time that he had been given inadequate assurance (a contention disputed by federal officials) that the influx of refugees didn't pose a danger to the state while suggesting terrorists might be among the diaspora. Officials involved in resettlement of refugees countered Abbott's assertions by providing Patch with a multi-page letter containing safety assurances they had sent Abbott as well as describing the rigorous process of vetting would-be refugees before they enter the U.S.

In terms of the disputed credibility of the al Qaeda missive, officials assured they are on alert regardless.

"The counter-terrorism and homeland security communities remain vigilant and well-postured to defend against attacks here in the United States," a senior FBI official told CBS News. "The FBI, working with our federal, state and local counterparts, shares and assesses intelligence on a daily basis and will continue to work closely with law enforcement and intelligence community partners to identify and disrupt any potential threat to public safety."

CBS noted that local police nationwide were notified earlier this week that "polling places" can be seen as "attractive targets" for "lone wolf"-type attacks.

Abbott said state law enforcement also was at the ready should their resources be required to combat a terrorist attack: "The State of Texas will continue to do everything it can to ensure the safety and security of its citizens," he said in ending his prepared statement.

DPS officials also urged members of the public to remain vigilant, providing points of contact in reporting suspicious activity.

"As always, every citizen has an important role to play in helping to thwart illicit activity, and we encourage Texans to remain vigilant. If anyone observes any suspicious activity," officials wrote in their statement. "They are urged to contact their local authorities or report it through Texas' iWatch program at www.iwatchtx.org or by calling 1-844-643-2251."



As in the days of McCarthyism, the hate filled right wing paranoia said there was a communist (now an al-Qaeda operative) in every street corner, in every pulpit, in every lecture hall, in every closet, and under every bed. Right wind delusionalism at its very worse.
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While the delusional right wing continually attacks Biden the fact remains that he caused the evacuation to be peaceful. Any other country would have arrested and executed traitors but the Taliban showed great mercy towards those treasonous collaborators after defeating the colonialist invaders. Biden deserves the Nobel Prize.
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DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:26 am All this fuss over the Taliban retaking control over Afghanistan, and almost nothing on the Taliban taking over Texas.

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... and Florida.
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Brooklyn wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:42 am

While the delusional right wing continually attacks Biden the fact remains that he caused the evacuation to be peaceful. Any other country would have arrested and executed traitors but the Taliban showed great mercy towards those treasonous collaborators after defeating the colonialist invaders. Biden deserves the Nobel Prize.
... things have gone remarkably well with regards to the Taliban. It is a little early to declare diplomatic victory, but things seem to be moving in the right direction.
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More screw ups? And why haven't ISIS-K target names been released?

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jhu72 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:52 am
... things have gone remarkably well with regards to the Taliban. It is a little early to declare diplomatic victory, but things seem to be moving in the right direction.

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Yes, things have gone remarkably well. But I wonder, where is the praise from the delusional right wing? Biden succeeded in convincing the Taliban to allow hundreds of thousands to leave despite their treason to their own country. Consider how Germany and other countries in Europe spent decades pursuing and prosecuting Nazis and those who collaborated with Nazis in killing their citizens. But instead of killing traitors the Taliban is allowing them to leave freely. Never in my life have I ever seen a country that allowed traitors to leave without any form of prosecution. This thanks to the work done by President Biden so that while the delusional right wing continues to criticize him they should be praising him. He richly deserves the Nobel Prize for ending the war and for saving the lives of those traitors. I can understand the criticism by the right because they are a bunch of liars. But where is the praise by the Democrats? Why aren't they pointing out that he saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people who betrayed their country??
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