Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[MDlaxfan76]

So it looks like there is going to be action in congress to put in place most of the reforms called for by BLM. The one that seems to be a sticking point is COPs having civil immunity that ordinary citizens don't. That is to say, if a COP makes a mistake, the citizenry pays for civil penalties, not the COP, not the COPs. This is bullsh*t in my mind. Some jackass in blue kills someone and they pass the hat around to the bystanders to cover civil penalties.

The dumbass republicans want the police department to pay the civil penalties. Where the fook does the department get the money?? The tooth fairy.

Ideally it should be the responsible COP. But no one is likely to collect in that case. The union is the proper place to place those penalties. The cohort responsible for the death pays. It puts skin in the game for them to help get the "bad COPs" off the street. Obviously this payed for by dues collected from the cohort to pay for liability insurance.

Now, that's a good idea!

[jhu72]

... the only kind I have

[Peter Brown]

So it looks like there is going to be action in congress to put in place most of the reforms called for by BLM. The one that seems to be a sticking point is COPs having civil immunity that ordinary citizens don't. That is to say, if a COP makes a mistake, the citizenry pays for civil penalties, not the COP, not the COPs. This is bullsh*t in my mind. Some jackass in blue kills someone and they pass the hat around to the bystanders to cover civil penalties.

The dumbass republicans want the police department to pay the civil penalties. Where the fook does the department get the money?? The tooth fairy.

Ideally it should be the responsible COP. But no one is likely to collect in that case. The union is the proper place to place those penalties. The cohort responsible for the death pays. It puts skin in the game for them to help get the "bad COPs" off the street. Obviously this payed for by dues collected from the cohort to pay for liability insurance.

Why just cops? Extend loss of immunity to any government official at every level. Prosecutors, IRS, regulators, NSA, etc.

[foreverlax]

Considering the story MaKhia Brown's family is trying to propogate, it's understandable why the Columbus Police released the body cam video so quickly.

https://meaww.com/who-is-hazel-bryant-m ... e-shooting
Hazel said that Ma'khia was in front of the house fending off a physical assault when police shot her four times without any warning. She said that she had been told of the events by Ma'Khia's grandmother and father. “The police are going to lie. I’m so thankful that someone from the family was actually on the scene,” Bryant said before the release of the body-cam footage. “The police are going to lie. The police are going to cover up for themselves. They don’t care. At this point, I feel like they’re just out to kill Black people. They’re not here to protect and serve. That isn’t happening. That’s been over a long time ago. They’re not here to protect and serve. They’re here to kill Black folks.”

https://meaww.com/makhia-bryant-shot-ki ... -reactions
Explaining the order of events, Hazel said that the teenager had called 911 because someone tried to jump her. When the police officers arrived, they saw a knife on the ground and before she could explain herself, they shot her four times in the chest.


Wonder how much the GoFundMe page has generated ? Mom & Auntie will be tv stars.

Can you even hear yourself? A person, probably of unsound judgement, but a human being none the less, was just shot four times and is dead.

You’re kind of special, OldSalt. I wonder who will mourn your passing?

No one should mourn, if I die trying to kill someone,
The family is trolling for sympathy & $$$. With that much family present, why was the kid in foster care.
The family should take responsibility, feel shame, not sympathy & stop trying to blame others for their failure.

What’s your excuse for your lack of empathy?

I have no empathy for people who do not take responsibility for their own actions & seek only to blame others for their own failings.

And yet, you have plenty of empathy for DOPUS.

[Peter Brown]

Considering the story MaKhia Brown's family is trying to propogate, it's understandable why the Columbus Police released the body cam video so quickly.

https://meaww.com/who-is-hazel-bryant-m ... e-shooting
Hazel said that Ma'khia was in front of the house fending off a physical assault when police shot her four times without any warning. She said that she had been told of the events by Ma'Khia's grandmother and father. “The police are going to lie. I’m so thankful that someone from the family was actually on the scene,” Bryant said before the release of the body-cam footage. “The police are going to lie. The police are going to cover up for themselves. They don’t care. At this point, I feel like they’re just out to kill Black people. They’re not here to protect and serve. That isn’t happening. That’s been over a long time ago. They’re not here to protect and serve. They’re here to kill Black folks.”

https://meaww.com/makhia-bryant-shot-ki ... -reactions
Explaining the order of events, Hazel said that the teenager had called 911 because someone tried to jump her. When the police officers arrived, they saw a knife on the ground and before she could explain herself, they shot her four times in the chest.


Wonder how much the GoFundMe page has generated ? Mom & Auntie will be tv stars.

Can you even hear yourself? A person, probably of unsound judgement, but a human being none the less, was just shot four times and is dead.

You’re kind of special, OldSalt. I wonder who will mourn your passing?

No one should mourn, if I die trying to kill someone,
The family is trolling for sympathy & $$$. With that much family present, why was the kid in foster care.
The family should take responsibility, feel shame, not sympathy & stop trying to blame others for their failure.

What’s your excuse for your lack of empathy?

I have no empathy for people who do not take responsibility for their own actions & seek only to blame others for their own failings.

And yet, you have plenty of empathy for DOPUS.

TDS never subsides.

It’s amazing how completely irrelevant Trump is to this conversation, but some always find a way to resurrect his name.

[Brooklyn]

TEAR DOWN THE RIGHT WING WALL!




https://image.politicalcartoons.com/250 ... erdict.png

[foreverlax]

Considering the story MaKhia Brown's family is trying to propogate, it's understandable why the Columbus Police released the body cam video so quickly.

https://meaww.com/who-is-hazel-bryant-m ... e-shooting
Hazel said that Ma'khia was in front of the house fending off a physical assault when police shot her four times without any warning. She said that she had been told of the events by Ma'Khia's grandmother and father. “The police are going to lie. I’m so thankful that someone from the family was actually on the scene,” Bryant said before the release of the body-cam footage. “The police are going to lie. The police are going to cover up for themselves. They don’t care. At this point, I feel like they’re just out to kill Black people. They’re not here to protect and serve. That isn’t happening. That’s been over a long time ago. They’re not here to protect and serve. They’re here to kill Black folks.”

https://meaww.com/makhia-bryant-shot-ki ... -reactions
Explaining the order of events, Hazel said that the teenager had called 911 because someone tried to jump her. When the police officers arrived, they saw a knife on the ground and before she could explain herself, they shot her four times in the chest.


Wonder how much the GoFundMe page has generated ? Mom & Auntie will be tv stars.

Can you even hear yourself? A person, probably of unsound judgement, but a human being none the less, was just shot four times and is dead.

You’re kind of special, OldSalt. I wonder who will mourn your passing?

No one should mourn, if I die trying to kill someone,
The family is trolling for sympathy & $$$. With that much family present, why was the kid in foster care.
The family should take responsibility, feel shame, not sympathy & stop trying to blame others for their failure.

What’s your excuse for your lack of empathy?

I have no empathy for people who do not take responsibility for their own actions & seek only to blame others for their own failings.

And yet, you have plenty of empathy for DOPUS.

TDS never subsides.

It’s amazing how completely irrelevant Trump is to this conversation, but some always find a way to resurrect his name.

The relevance is the inconsistency or as some would hypocrisy.

[Peter Brown]

Considering the story MaKhia Brown's family is trying to propogate, it's understandable why the Columbus Police released the body cam video so quickly.

https://meaww.com/who-is-hazel-bryant-m ... e-shooting
Hazel said that Ma'khia was in front of the house fending off a physical assault when police shot her four times without any warning. She said that she had been told of the events by Ma'Khia's grandmother and father. “The police are going to lie. I’m so thankful that someone from the family was actually on the scene,” Bryant said before the release of the body-cam footage. “The police are going to lie. The police are going to cover up for themselves. They don’t care. At this point, I feel like they’re just out to kill Black people. They’re not here to protect and serve. That isn’t happening. That’s been over a long time ago. They’re not here to protect and serve. They’re here to kill Black folks.”

https://meaww.com/makhia-bryant-shot-ki ... -reactions
Explaining the order of events, Hazel said that the teenager had called 911 because someone tried to jump her. When the police officers arrived, they saw a knife on the ground and before she could explain herself, they shot her four times in the chest.


Wonder how much the GoFundMe page has generated ? Mom & Auntie will be tv stars.

Can you even hear yourself? A person, probably of unsound judgement, but a human being none the less, was just shot four times and is dead.

You’re kind of special, OldSalt. I wonder who will mourn your passing?

No one should mourn, if I die trying to kill someone,
The family is trolling for sympathy & $$$. With that much family present, why was the kid in foster care.
The family should take responsibility, feel shame, not sympathy & stop trying to blame others for their failure.

What’s your excuse for your lack of empathy?

I have no empathy for people who do not take responsibility for their own actions & seek only to blame others for their own failings.

And yet, you have plenty of empathy for DOPUS.

TDS never subsides.

It’s amazing how completely irrelevant Trump is to this conversation, but some always find a way to resurrect his name.

The relevance is the inconsistency or as some would hypocrisy.

There isn’t a close second of hypocrisy in this universe to your average liberal who

cries racism but hates school choice,

wants to raise your taxes but endorses carve-out deductions,

Screams global warming yet buys oceanfront property

Hates on police but calls 911 because their neighbor farted

Michael Moore denounces oil and defense contractors yet owns shares in Halliburton, Boeing, and Honeywell and does his postproduction film work in Canada to avoid paying union wages in the United States.

Noam Chomsky opposes the very concept of private property and calls the Pentagon “the worst institution in human history,” yet he and his wife have made millions of dollars in contract work for the Department of Defense and own two luxurious homes.

Barbra Streisand prides herself as an environmental activist, yet she owns shares in a notorious strip-mining company and flies private.

Hillary Clinton supports the right of thirteen-year-old girls to have abortions without parental consent, yet she forbade thirteen-year-old Chelsea to pierce her ears and enrolled her in a school that would not distribute condoms to minors.

Nancy Pelosi received the 2002 Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farm Workers, yet she and her husband own a Napa Valley vineyard that uses nonunion labor.

I could list millions of these examples.

[old salt]

Tell it to the Army Lieutenant who put his hands out the window and was pepper sprayed because he was afraid to move his hands below the window...

Still unanswered questions on that case :
-- was his temp lic plate visible at night or was it behind a heavily tinted rear window ?
-- how far did he drive before pulling ovewr ?
-- once he finally got to a well lighted public place. why did he argue & refuse to exit his vehicle.

Had he pulled over in a timely manner, had his lic & reg in his hands, clearly visible, & his window down when the cop approached, it likely would have played out differently. I suppose that's worked numerous times for me only because I'm white.

[Farfromgeneva]

The death knell is the “yeah you should be afraid” comment. At that point it was clear who and what the guy was and he has articulated himself quite clearly.

[Peter Brown]

Tell it to the Army Lieutenant who put his hands out the window and was pepper sprayed because he was afraid to move his hands below the window...

Still unanswered questions on that case :
-- was his temp lic plate visible at night or was it behind a heavily tinted rear window ?
-- how far did he drive before pulling ovewr ?
-- once he finally got to a well lighted public place. why did he argue & refuse to exit his vehicle.

Had he pulled over in a timely manner, had his lic & reg in his hands, clearly visible, & his window down when the cop approached, it likely would have played out differently. I suppose that's worked numerous times for me only because I'm white.

The driver was seeking a scene; you can hear it in his voice and with his actions. The cop was also idiotic.

What’s more revealing is the Fanlax FLP who can’t admit what everyone sees: both driver and cop are idiots. They’ll only rip the cop. Naturally.

[dislaxxic]

Boycott Stupid.

..

[Peter Brown]

Boycott Stupid.

..

It’s difficult to ignore you. I try.

Also here is a young black girl who stabbed another 13 year old black girl to death.

https://breaking911.com/cincinnati-girl ... -old-girl/

I guess fanlax libs are okay with that one. Not a peep.

[6x6]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Funny how MD lax has all of this wisdom as to how the police should do their job. Maybe the cops in Baltimore should grab him by the scruff of his neck and let him ride with them on a Saturday night. If nothing else he would make a wonderful human shield.

Why was your body cam off cradle, to eat a donut?

No, the body cam should be on ALL the time when on duty. Period. Doesn't get turned off and on.

You're correct, asking cops to remember to turn them on as a stressful situation is going down is unrealistic.

BTW, this is recommended by cops now, not just police reformers. It protects good cops from false accusations.

Petey, you do realize that at least one of our fellow posters has been a cop, right? Have you?

Body cams on All the time when on duty. You go on to state there is no practical reason for the cameras not to be on. I’ll share a few.

Some cities and agencies have Employee Assistance Programs staffed by licensed professional counselors to help their employees in a variety of areas. Work relationships, family issues that are effecting your work, your mental and physical health, drug or alcohol matters etc. Supervisors can recommend an employee partake and employees can voluntarily ask to use the service. Regardless, these are all confidential encounters and cops are ON DUTY during these visits. In addition to EAPs, some police agencies, the larger ones I’m aware of, have staff psychologists for officers to meet with to confidentially discuss various matters. Again, appointments can take place while on duty.

How about traumatized rape victims, victims of spousal abuse or other traumatic situation involving victims. Sure record everything and add to their misery. Were you one those during another discussion who suggested cops should have no discretion? Fortunately, some agencies have policies allowing officers to turn off their body cams in this type of situation.

Yeah record away. I’m sure you’ve seen some movie or cop show where the cop involved in a shooting has to visit a shrink. Well, that actually does take place. Yeah, go ahead and record the whole thing.

Then there are privacy issues that even the ACLU agrees there are times and circumstances cops should not have their body cam on. Sometimes common citizens can file an Open Record request for the video. Besides the cost of storage issues, the Open Records Act is one of the reasons many agencies try to delete videos depending on their legal requirements, usually 60 or 90 days for videos of a non evidentiary nature or part of an investigation.

There are many more, mundane reasons....you stated they should be on ALl the time, do the cops have it on while eating, taking a dump?? Great use of technology.

Here’s a read for you. https://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resourc ... 246869.pdf

[Peter Brown]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Funny how MD lax has all of this wisdom as to how the police should do their job. Maybe the cops in Baltimore should grab him by the scruff of his neck and let him ride with them on a Saturday night. If nothing else he would make a wonderful human shield.

Why was your body cam off cradle, to eat a donut?

No, the body cam should be on ALL the time when on duty. Period. Doesn't get turned off and on.

You're correct, asking cops to remember to turn them on as a stressful situation is going down is unrealistic.

BTW, this is recommended by cops now, not just police reformers. It protects good cops from false accusations.

Petey, you do realize that at least one of our fellow posters has been a cop, right? Have you?

Body cams on All the time when on duty. You go on to state there is no practical reason for the cameras not to be on. I’ll share a few.

Some cities and agencies have Employee Assistance Programs staffed by licensed professional counselors to help their employees in a variety of areas. Work relationships, family issues that are effecting your work, your mental and physical health, drug or alcohol matters etc. Supervisors can recommend an employee partake and employees can voluntarily ask to use the service. Regardless, these are all confidential encounters and cops are ON DUTY during these visits. In addition to EAPs, some police agencies, the larger ones I’m aware of, have staff psychologists for officers to meet with to confidentially discuss various matters. Again, appointments can take place while on duty.

How about traumatized rape victims, victims of spousal abuse or other traumatic situation involving victims. Sure record everything and add to their misery. Were you one those during another discussion who suggested cops should have no discretion? Fortunately, some agencies have policies allowing officers to turn off their body cams in this type of situation.

Yeah record away. I’m sure you’ve seen some movie or cop show where the cop involved in a shooting has to visit a shrink. Well, that actually does take place. Yeah, go ahead and record the whole thing.

Then there are privacy issues that even the ACLU agrees there are times and circumstances cops should not have their body cam on. Sometimes common citizens can file an Open Record request for the video. Besides the cost of storage issues, the Open Records Act is one of the reasons many agencies try to delete videos depending on their legal requirements, usually 60 or 90 days for videos of a non evidentiary nature or part of an investigation.

There are many more, mundane reasons....you stated they should be on ALl the time, do the cops have it on while eating, taking a dump?? Great use of technology.

Here’s a read for you. https://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resourc ... 246869.pdf

Hey 6x6,

Stop being so sensible. You’ll be called a racist or rape apologist.

(literally no sane human can or should argue what you listed, but please note that most libs aren’t serious players here...they simply wish to virtue signal, hence the name calling and ignoring substance).

[youthathletics]

Tell it to the Army Lieutenant who put his hands out the window and was pepper sprayed because he was afraid to move his hands below the window...

Still unanswered questions on that case :
-- was his temp lic plate visible at night or was it behind a heavily tinted rear window ?
-- how far did he drive before pulling ovewr ?
-- once he finally got to a well lighted public place. why did he argue & refuse to exit his vehicle.

Had he pulled over in a timely manner, had his lic & reg in his hands, clearly visible, & his window down when the cop approached, it likely would have played out differently. I suppose that's worked numerous times for me only because I'm white.

The driver was seeking a scene; you can hear it in his voice and with his actions. The cop was also idiotic.

What’s more revealing is the Fanlax FLP who can’t admit what everyone sees: both driver and cop are idiots. They’ll only rip the cop. Naturally.

Exactly ....it is a perfect example of what NOT to do, by both sides.

[Peter Brown]

Tell it to the Army Lieutenant who put his hands out the window and was pepper sprayed because he was afraid to move his hands below the window...

Still unanswered questions on that case :
-- was his temp lic plate visible at night or was it behind a heavily tinted rear window ?
-- how far did he drive before pulling ovewr ?
-- once he finally got to a well lighted public place. why did he argue & refuse to exit his vehicle.

Had he pulled over in a timely manner, had his lic & reg in his hands, clearly visible, & his window down when the cop approached, it likely would have played out differently. I suppose that's worked numerous times for me only because I'm white.

The driver was seeking a scene; you can hear it in his voice and with his actions. The cop was also idiotic.

What’s more revealing is the Fanlax FLP who can’t admit what everyone sees: both driver and cop are idiots. They’ll only rip the cop. Naturally.

Exactly ....it is a perfect example of what NOT to do, by both sides.

Any rational human can endorse your statement.

Of course we also know which side won’t.

[PizzaSnake]

Tell it to the Army Lieutenant who put his hands out the window and was pepper sprayed because he was afraid to move his hands below the window...

Still unanswered questions on that case :
-- was his temp lic plate visible at night or was it behind a heavily tinted rear window ?
-- how far did he drive before pulling ovewr ?
-- once he finally got to a well lighted public place. why did he argue & refuse to exit his vehicle.

Had he pulled over in a timely manner, had his lic & reg in his hands, clearly visible, & his window down when the cop approached, it likely would have played out differently. I suppose that's worked numerous times for me only because I'm white.

“Had he pulled over in a timely manner, had his lic & reg in his hands, clearly visible”

Timely? Whose definition?

Unless you drive around with your license and registration at the ready, h3ll no!! If an officer sees you leaning over to get to your glovebox or pull out your wallet, you might be inviting ... death.

When’s the last time you got “pulled over”? And more importantly, when is the last time you did while black?

[PizzaSnake]

Tell it to the Army Lieutenant who put his hands out the window and was pepper sprayed because he was afraid to move his hands below the window...

Still unanswered questions on that case :
-- was his temp lic plate visible at night or was it behind a heavily tinted rear window ?
-- how far did he drive before pulling ovewr ?
-- once he finally got to a well lighted public place. why did he argue & refuse to exit his vehicle.

Had he pulled over in a timely manner, had his lic & reg in his hands, clearly visible, & his window down when the cop approached, it likely would have played out differently. I suppose that's worked numerous times for me only because I'm white.

“Had he pulled over in a timely manner, had his lic & reg in his hands, clearly visible”

Timely? Whose definition?

Unless you drive around with your license and registration at the ready, h3ll no!! If an officer sees you leaning over to get to your glovebox or pull out your wallet, you might be inviting ... death.

When’s the last time you got “pulled over”? And more importantly, when is the last time you did while black?

[ggait]

Still unanswered questions on that case :
-- was his temp lic plate visible at night or was it behind a heavily tinted rear window ?
-- how far did he drive before pulling ovewr ?
-- once he finally got to a well lighted public place. why did he argue & refuse to exit his vehicle.

Had he pulled over in a timely manner, had his lic & reg in his hands, clearly visible, & his window down when the cop approached, it likely would have played out differently. I suppose that's worked numerous times for me only because I'm white.

That's exactly right.

For minority drivers, it is a common practice to drive slowly to a public, well lighted place, hopefully one equipped with security cameras. While Lt. Nazario's technique didn't keep him from being pepper sprayed, but he did survive and he was successful in getting Officer Gutierrez's jack ass immediately fired.

Officer Jack Ass admits the tactic is common and that he knew exactly what Lt. Nazario was doing:

The lawsuit contends Nazario signaled his compliance by activating his turn signal and continued driving below the posted 35 mph speed limit looking for a safe, well-lit place to stop. He found one less than a mile ahead: a BP gas station on the opposite side of the highway.

Gutierrez acknowledged that Nazario's decision to drive to a lighted area occurs "a lot ... 80% of the time," and that the maneuver informed him that Nazario was "at least 80% probability, a minority," the lawsuit claims.

The police reports acknowledged the Lt.'s low rate of speed. So their report that this was a "high risk" stop and that the Lt. was "eluding police" is complete Bravo Sierra.

So exactly why do you need guns out when interacting with a slow driving dude with the blinker on who stops in the most visible public place possible? Doesn't seem like what a wacko with cop killing on his mind would do, does it Salty? Sounds more like how an 80 year old drives. SMH

Even though I'm a white guy, I will probably do this myself the next time I get pulled over.