Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[cradleandshoot]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Funny how MD lax has all of this wisdom as to how the police should do their job. Maybe the cops in Baltimore should grab him by the scruff of his neck and let him ride with them on a Saturday night. If nothing else he would make a wonderful human shield.

[Peter Brown]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.

I laughed reading this.

The brazen arrogance of anyone who hasn’t been a cop to begin to think they grasp what a cop sees and is faced with is almost always shocking to me. I just don’t have that ego. I’m impressed MD shows zero humility, never waiting for a fact or two and never admitting that he actually doesn’t know the situation and misspoke out of emotion. But he never does.

I could list a trillion reasons why a cop might not have a camera on (and I’m a supporter of body cams!) so I realize in there will be reasons to not have them switched on.

Let’s repeat the obvious: most police are good people. Most police want to do the right thing. Most police deal with human rejects every day, folks who think nothing of firing a gun at a cop. There is no epidemic of cops murdering unarmed blacks. The media and Democrats stir their followers up with fake narratives about police. You should mock anyone who repeats these fake narratives. If you persist in repeating fake narratives about cops, I assume you’re an actual racist, because you are abetting the destruction of inner city neighborhoods.

[MDlaxfan76]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Funny how MD lax has all of this wisdom as to how the police should do their job. Maybe the cops in Baltimore should grab him by the scruff of his neck and let him ride with them on a Saturday night. If nothing else he would make a wonderful human shield.

Why was your body cam off cradle, to eat a donut?

No, the body cam should be on ALL the time when on duty. Period. Doesn't get turned off and on.

You're correct, asking cops to remember to turn them on as a stressful situation is going down is unrealistic.

BTW, this is recommended by cops now, not just police reformers. It protects good cops from false accusations.

Petey, you do realize that at least one of our fellow posters has been a cop, right? Have you?

[cradleandshoot]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.
[/quot

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Funny how MD lax has all of this wisdom as to how the police should do their job. Maybe the cops in Baltimore should grab him by the scruff of his neck and let him ride with them on a Saturday night. If nothing else he would make a wonderful human shield.

Why was your body cam off cradle, to eat a donut?

No, the body cam should be on ALL the time when on duty. Period. Doesn't get turned off and on.

You're correct, asking cops to remember to turn them on as a stressful situation is going down is unrealistic.

BTW, this is recommended by cops now, not just police reformers. It protects good cops from false accusations.

Petey, you do realize that at least one of our fellow posters has been a cop, right? Have you?

No because you don't keep your body cam on 24/7/365. When you arrive at a scene when the chit is hitting the fan and the threat to human life is very real and imminent excuse the f***k out of me if the officer is too busy to turn on his body cam. There are real world situations when your a police officer that don't always afford you the luxury of doing everything by the book. You are a successful, college educated bidness man and I have to explain the real world to you. I was going to send you a PM, then I remembered who I was chatting with.

[Peter Brown]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.
[/quot

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Funny how MD lax has all of this wisdom as to how the police should do their job. Maybe the cops in Baltimore should grab him by the scruff of his neck and let him ride with them on a Saturday night. If nothing else he would make a wonderful human shield.

Why was your body cam off cradle, to eat a donut?

No, the body cam should be on ALL the time when on duty. Period. Doesn't get turned off and on.

You're correct, asking cops to remember to turn them on as a stressful situation is going down is unrealistic.

BTW, this is recommended by cops now, not just police reformers. It protects good cops from false accusations.

Petey, you do realize that at least one of our fellow posters has been a cop, right? Have you?

No because you don't keep your body cam on 24/7/365. When you arrive at a scene when the chit is hitting the fan and the threat to human life is very real and imminent excuse the f***k out of me if the officer is too busy to turn on his body cam. There are real world situations when your a police officer that don'tu always afford you the luxury of doing everything by the book. You are a successful, college educated bidness man and I have to explain the real world to you. I was going to send you a PM, then I remembered who I was chatting with.







Explain to His Excellency that I’m unaware who the Fanlax poster is who has been a cop, and also relay to Him that no I have not been a cop hence I don’t tend to presume what they see (therefore I give them the benefit of the doubt).

MD: there’s zero epidemic of cops killing unarmed blacks. Until you can admit that, you are an unserious actor in this debate, just a desperate-for-approval liberal poster.

[cradleandshoot]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.
[/quot

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Funny how MD lax has all of this wisdom as to how the police should do their job. Maybe the cops in Baltimore should grab him by the scruff of his neck and let him ride with them on a Saturday night. If nothing else he would make a wonderful human shield.

Why was your body cam off cradle, to eat a donut?

No, the body cam should be on ALL the time when on duty. Period. Doesn't get turned off and on.

You're correct, asking cops to remember to turn them on as a stressful situation is going down is unrealistic.

BTW, this is recommended by cops now, not just police reformers. It protects good cops from false accusations.

Petey, you do realize that at least one of our fellow posters has been a cop, right? Have you?

No because you don't keep your body cam on 24/7/365. When you arrive at a scene when the chit is hitting the fan and the threat to human life is very real and imminent excuse the f***k out of me if the officer is too busy to turn on his body cam. There are real world situations when your a police officer that don'tu always afford you the luxury of doing everything by the book. You are a successful, college educated bidness man and I have to explain the real world to you. I was going to send you a PM, then I remembered who I was chatting with.







Explain to His Excellency that I’m unaware who the Fanlax poster is who has been a cop, and also relay to Him that no I have not been a cop hence I don’t tend to presume what they see (therefore I give them the benefit of the doubt).

MD: there’s zero epidemic of cops killing unarmed blacks. Until you can admit that, you are an unserious actor in this debate, just a desperate-for-approval liberal poster.

Just don't send MD a PM. Unless of course you want the PM posted on this forum for all the world to see. MD lax has zero understanding about what a private message is suppose to mean. He earned the moniker of the fanlax forum snitch in my opinion. He will justify his poor decision making until the cows come home. I use to have respect for him until he pulled off that stupid little stunt.

[Peter Brown]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.
[/quot

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Funny how MD lax has all of this wisdom as to how the police should do their job. Maybe the cops in Baltimore should grab him by the scruff of his neck and let him ride with them on a Saturday night. If nothing else he would make a wonderful human shield.

Why was your body cam off cradle, to eat a donut?

No, the body cam should be on ALL the time when on duty. Period. Doesn't get turned off and on.

You're correct, asking cops to remember to turn them on as a stressful situation is going down is unrealistic.

BTW, this is recommended by cops now, not just police reformers. It protects good cops from false accusations.

Petey, you do realize that at least one of our fellow posters has been a cop, right? Have you?

No because you don't keep your body cam on 24/7/365. When you arrive at a scene when the chit is hitting the fan and the threat to human life is very real and imminent excuse the f***k out of me if the officer is too busy to turn on his body cam. There are real world situations when your a police officer that don'tu always afford you the luxury of doing everything by the book. You are a successful, college educated bidness man and I have to explain the real world to you. I was going to send you a PM, then I remembered who I was chatting with.

Explain to His Excellency that I’m unaware who the Fanlax poster is who has been a cop, and also relay to Him that no I have not been a cop hence I don’t tend to presume what they see (therefore I give them the benefit of the doubt).

MD: there’s zero epidemic of cops killing unarmed blacks. Until you can admit that, you are an unserious actor in this debate, just a desperate-for-approval liberal poster.

Just don't send MD a PM. Unless of course you want the PM posted on this forum for all the world to see. MD lax has zero understanding about what a private message is suppose to mean. He earned the moniker of the fanlax forum snitch in my opinion. He will justify his poor decision making until the cows come home. I use to have respect for him until he pulled off that stupid little stunt.

Wish I could say his move surprises me. It doesn’t.

[DMac]

Anyone ever been in a situation where a policeman has had to wrestle them to the ground and cuff them, or a situation where the policeman felt the need to unholster his gun? It's not smart to put yourself in that situation and that needs as much addressing as police reform/policy/training/use of force. You open the door to let cops into your life and you do that at your own peril. Why are cops absolutely no part of my life, or anyone else's here, yet so much a part of others lives?

[MDlaxfan76]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.
[/quot

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Funny how MD lax has all of this wisdom as to how the police should do their job. Maybe the cops in Baltimore should grab him by the scruff of his neck and let him ride with them on a Saturday night. If nothing else he would make a wonderful human shield.

Why was your body cam off cradle, to eat a donut?

No, the body cam should be on ALL the time when on duty. Period. Doesn't get turned off and on.

You're correct, asking cops to remember to turn them on as a stressful situation is going down is unrealistic.

BTW, this is recommended by cops now, not just police reformers. It protects good cops from false accusations.

Petey, you do realize that at least one of our fellow posters has been a cop, right? Have you?

No because you don't keep your body cam on 24/7/365. When you arrive at a scene when the chit is hitting the fan and the threat to human life is very real and imminent excuse the f***k out of me if the officer is too busy to turn on his body cam. There are real world situations when your a police officer that don't always afford you the luxury of doing everything by the book. You are a successful, college educated bidness man and I have to explain the real world to you. I was going to send you a PM, then I remembered who I was chatting with.

On duty cradle, on duty...not when you're off duty.
That should be the universal rule...and there's no practical reason not to require it.
But it's not, which is what leads to the scenario you describe AND the possibility of bad cops turning off their cameras when they know things are going down.

Again, cameras on protect good cops.

[Peter Brown]

Anyone ever been in a situation where a policeman has had to wrestle them to the ground and cuff them, or a situation where the policeman felt the need to unholster his gun? It's not smart to put yourself in that situation and that needs as much addressing as police reform/policy/training/use of force. You open the door to let cops into your life and you do that at your own peril. Why are cops absolutely no part of my life, or anyone else's here, yet so much a part of others lives?

Yup.

[MDlaxfan76]

Anyone ever been in a situation where a policeman has had to wrestle them to the ground and cuff them, or a situation where the policeman felt the need to unholster his gun? It's not smart to put yourself in that situation and that needs as much addressing as police reform/policy/training/use of force. You open the door to let cops into your life and you do that at your own peril. Why are cops absolutely no part of my life, or anyone else's here, yet so much a part of others lives?

Yeah, tell it to folks who've had the door broken down in the night...wrong house.

Tell it to the Army Lieutenant who put his hands out the window and was pepper sprayed because he was afraid to move his hands below the window...

I've had two instances of intense police interaction, no real fault of my own, treated rudely...my heart was through my chest...and I'm a white guy.

[cradleandshoot]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.
[/quot

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Funny how MD lax has all of this wisdom as to how the police should do their job. Maybe the cops in Baltimore should grab him by the scruff of his neck and let him ride with them on a Saturday night. If nothing else he would make a wonderful human shield.

Why was your body cam off cradle, to eat a donut?

No, the body cam should be on ALL the time when on duty. Period. Doesn't get turned off and on.

You're correct, asking cops to remember to turn them on as a stressful situation is going down is unrealistic.

BTW, this is recommended by cops now, not just police reformers. It protects good cops from false accusations.

Petey, you do realize that at least one of our fellow posters has been a cop, right? Have you?

No because you don't keep your body cam on 24/7/365. When you arrive at a scene when the chit is hitting the fan and the threat to human life is very real and imminent excuse the f***k out of me if the officer is too busy to turn on his body cam. There are real world situations when your a police officer that don't always afford you the luxury of doing everything by the book. You are a successful, college educated bidness man and I have to explain the real world to you. I was going to send you a PM, then I remembered who I was chatting with.

On duty cradle, on duty...not when you're off duty.
That should be the universal rule...and there's no practical reason not to require it.
But it's not, which is what leads to the scenario you describe AND the possibility of bad cops turning off their cameras when they know things are going down.

Again, cameras on protect good cops.

I don't believe it is practical for the police to have the cameras on all of the time. What I have read says they are suppose to activate them when they get out of their cars. I guessing if the situation is super critical and dangerous I could understand why they might forget to turn them on. By super critical i mean people are shooting at them. That could be an event that might possibly distract any police officer.

[DMac]

Anyone ever been in a situation where a policeman has had to wrestle them to the ground and cuff them, or a situation where the policeman felt the need to unholster his gun? It's not smart to put yourself in that situation and that needs as much addressing as police reform/policy/training/use of force. You open the door to let cops into your life and you do that at your own peril. Why are cops absolutely no part of my life, or anyone else's here, yet so much a part of others lives?

Yeah, tell it to folks who've had the door broken down in the night...wrong house.

Tell it to the Army Lieutenant who put his hands out the window and was pepper sprayed because he was afraid to move his hands below the window...

I've had two instances of intense police interaction, no real fault of my own, treated rudely...my heart was through my chest...and I'm a white guy.

That's not the point and I don't think you have any questions as to whether or not I'm a cop lover. You also know where I stand on the way the Lieutenant was treated. Of course there are situations where cops overstep their bounds and that is absolutely being addressed nationwide. Floyd dead if he doesn't open the door to let cops into his life? Michael Brown dead if he doesn't open the door? With exceptions yes, but if you don't open the door for cops to enter your life the odds are greatly in your favor that they won't. Yes, I have been in more than one situation when cops have treated me unnecessarily harshly but my heart wasn't pounding through my chest, it was the urge to retaliate I had to fight the most.

[Peter Brown]

Anyone ever been in a situation where a policeman has had to wrestle them to the ground and cuff them, or a situation where the policeman felt the need to unholster his gun? It's not smart to put yourself in that situation and that needs as much addressing as police reform/policy/training/use of force. You open the door to let cops into your life and you do that at your own peril. Why are cops absolutely no part of my life, or anyone else's here, yet so much a part of others lives?

Yeah, tell it to folks who've had the door broken down in the night...wrong house.

Tell it to the Army Lieutenant who put his hands out the window and was pepper sprayed because he was afraid to move his hands below the window...

I've had two instances of intense police interaction, no real fault of my own, treated rudely...my heart was through my chest...and I'm a white guy.

This post is such a clear window into the mind of a liberal like MD. He takes the few instances of possible police error and rushes to the ‘all cops suck’ door.

The more intelligent reply would be ‘cops have a tough job, there are 800,000 of them today, interacting millions of times with civilians, putting their lives on the line to protect me, it stinks a few bad situations happen, but I support them because I understand the truth and reject fake narratives’.

But nah.

[Farfromgeneva]

Anyone ever been in a situation where a policeman has had to wrestle them to the ground and cuff them, or a situation where the policeman felt the need to unholster his gun? It's not smart to put yourself in that situation and that needs as much addressing as police reform/policy/training/use of force. You open the door to let cops into your life and you do that at your own peril. Why are cops absolutely no part of my life, or anyone else's here, yet so much a part of others lives?

For real. Stay off the grid as much as possible and just mess around here where only wanna be cops and wanna be Rambos exist in the minds of some posters.

[cradleandshoot]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.
[/quot

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Funny how MD lax has all of this wisdom as to how the police should do their job. Maybe the cops in Baltimore should grab him by the scruff of his neck and let him ride with them on a Saturday night. If nothing else he would make a wonderful human shield.

Why was your body cam off cradle, to eat a donut?

No, the body cam should be on ALL the time when on duty. Period. Doesn't get turned off and on.

You're correct, asking cops to remember to turn them on as a stressful situation is going down is unrealistic.

BTW, this is recommended by cops now, not just police reformers. It protects good cops from false accusations.

Petey, you do realize that at least one of our fellow posters has been a cop, right? Have you?

No because you don't keep your body cam on 24/7/365. When you arrive at a scene when the chit is hitting the fan and the threat to human life is very real and imminent excuse the f***k out of me if the officer is too busy to turn on his body cam. There are real world situations when your a police officer that don't always afford you the luxury of doing everything by the book. You are a successful, college educated bidness man and I have to explain the real world to you. I was going to send you a PM, then I remembered who I was chatting with.

On duty cradle, on duty...not when you're off duty.
That should be the universal rule...and there's no practical reason not to require it.
But it's not, which is what leads to the scenario you describe AND the possibility of bad cops turning off their cameras when they know things are going down.

Again, cameras on protect good cops.

I don't believe it is practical for the police to have the cameras on all of the time. What I have read says they are suppose to activate them when they get out of their cars. I guessing if the situation is super critical and dangerous I could understand why they might forget to turn them on. By super critical i mean people are shooting at them. That could be an event that might possibly distract any police officer.

My wife and I use to watch the show COPS quite a bit. I have no doubt as to what a bunch of a$$holes the police can be. My wife and I use to look at each other all the time and say what a dick these cops are. They arrest some poor schmuck with a joint in his ashtray and act like they have busted a major criminal. I would guess that the training in the police academy needs to be refocused on how to deal with people on a human level and not just as a cop with an attitude.

[Brooklyn]

Lol.

It used to be that the people who hated America the most lived outside the country. Today, the people who hate America the most live INSIDE America.

You and yours will enjoy the blood on your hands as minority neighborhoods crumble, as you laser focus on the one group (police) standing between you and anarchy, just for the sake of being woke and applauded by fellow birdbrains.

Though I’d note that similar lawlessness has occurred in your own hometown with very little acceptance of responsibility, so I doubt you’ll understand your cop hatred will directly lead to more Baltimore’s.

~ people who hate America the most live INSIDE America ~


True. They call themselves Republican.



~ blood on your hands ~

That's what your side has since it is you who refuse to impose police reform and to decriminalize drugs.



~ lawlessness ~


Serpico & Busted: Tale of Corruption In City of Brotherly Love = 2 books about police corruption which is the real cause of that blood loss.

[Brooklyn]

Yeah, tell it to folks who've had the door broken down in the night...wrong house.

Tell it to the Army Lieutenant who put his hands out the window and was pepper sprayed because he was afraid to move his hands below the window...

I've had two instances of intense police interaction, no real fault of my own, treated rudely...my heart was through my chest...and I'm a white guy.

Forum delusionals are telling us to try to see it from the viewpoint of a cop. But they fail to say try to see it from the viewpoint of an innocent victim of which there are thousands.

As we have told those delusionals over and over again ~ nobody is troubled by cops doing their job. On the contrary, all of us want them to do it. But just make sure they target the guilty, not the innocent. Again, consider George Floyd - had he been white the cops would never have gotten involved in the first place. There would have been no arrest, no murder, no counter violence by people, no police slashing of tires, no Boogaloo Bois terrorism, and we would not even have threads like this one.

Violence begets violence. Contrary to the delusionalism of a Petey and his fellow right wingers, it is the police who started the violence. They just don't have the honesty to admit it. No justice, no peace. It is written in the Bible they claim to worship. It is time for them to learn their lesson.

[MDlaxfan76]

Anyone ever been in a situation where a policeman has had to wrestle them to the ground and cuff them, or a situation where the policeman felt the need to unholster his gun? It's not smart to put yourself in that situation and that needs as much addressing as police reform/policy/training/use of force. You open the door to let cops into your life and you do that at your own peril. Why are cops absolutely no part of my life, or anyone else's here, yet so much a part of others lives?

Yeah, tell it to folks who've had the door broken down in the night...wrong house.

Tell it to the Army Lieutenant who put his hands out the window and was pepper sprayed because he was afraid to move his hands below the window...

I've had two instances of intense police interaction, no real fault of my own, treated rudely...my heart was through my chest...and I'm a white guy.

That's not the point and I don't think you have any questions as to whether or not I'm a cop lover. You also know where I stand on the way the Lieutenant was treated. Of course there are situations where cops overstep their bounds and that is absolutely being addressed nationwide. Floyd dead if he doesn't open the door to let cops into his life? Michael Brown dead if he doesn't open the door? With exceptions yes, but if you don't open the door for cops to enter your life the odds are greatly in your favor that they won't. Yes, I have been in more than one situation when cops have treated me unnecessarily harshly but my heart wasn't pounding through my chest, it was the urge to retaliate I had to fight the most.

Yup, I had that urge as well...some righteous indignation.

Of course, don't come into contact with police and a bad cop can't hurt you, totally agree. Unfortunately, that's not entirely possible. Reduce opportunities, sure, but eliminate, no.

Again, I think most police are doing their job like any other shmo and some are near daily in situations with a degree of peril. I'm in favor of paying them better, particularly those on the line in more challenging assignments, to do a great job, but weeding out the bad ones, improved psychological screening of applicants, train, train, train...and require simple things like always on body cams.

ignore the troll

[jhu72]

So it looks like there is going to be action in congress to put in place most of the reforms called for by BLM. The one that seems to be a sticking point is COPs having civil immunity that ordinary citizens don't. That is to say, if a COP makes a mistake, the citizenry pays for civil penalties, not the COP, not the COPs. This is bullsh*t in my mind. Some jackass in blue kills someone and they pass the hat around to the bystanders to cover civil penalties.

The dumbass republicans want the police department to pay the civil penalties. Where the fook does the department get the money?? The tooth fairy.

Ideally it should be the responsible COP. But no one is likely to collect in that case. The union is the proper place to place those penalties. The cohort responsible for the death pays. It puts skin in the game for them to help get the "bad COPs" off the street. Obviously this payed for by dues collected from the cohort to pay for liability insurance.