"The Deep State" aka the American Intelligence Community

[Typical Lax Dad]

Yup, so he should have not gotten on board the war of civilizations nonsense.

At this point, it's clear that he's a traitor to our Constitution.

Do you see any distinction between Islam & militant Islam ?

In Flynn's public remarks in which he mentioned martial law, he said he was not advocating it, that we have a Constitutional process.
Everything since has been hysterical hearsay media distortion & "reporting" based on unnamed sources.
Flynn said "could", yet how many cable news banners said "should" invoke martial law.

You're as careless with the accusation of treason as is Judge Sullivan.

Nope, the traitorous encouragement of a declaration of martial law wasn't done just once, it's been repeated numerous times in the White House by Flynn. He's anti-Constitution, anti-law. The 'lock her up' chants being just one instance, but he thinks he himself should be above the law.

Treason is a very specific crime in a time of declared war. Traitor and traitorous being more broadly understood. But sure, 'treasonous' is also understood as not the crime itself.

Do I see any distinction between Islam and a specific label that clearly defines those who use Islam as an excuse for death and destruction? Of course. But the 'war of civilizations' does not.

What are your sources inside the WH ?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
...there have been no efforts inside the White House to actually deploy the military and that the idea was quickly dismissed at the meeting.

Who do you think was advocating for it?
The 'quickly dismissed' was by those with some degree of sanity left, but that dismissal was met with anger and shouts, egged on by Trump...lots and lots of reporting that Flynn was advocating this stupid, antiAmerican course of action along with Powell and Byrne. And not just in one meeting.

All the reports I've seen cite Flynn's Newsmax appearence (in which he said "could" not "should" & advocated following the Constitutional process).They then report in a passive voice, saying that the subject of martial law came up in the meeting. I've seen no reporting that specifically claims that Flynn brought it up or advocated for it in the meeting. It's more likely that Trump asked about the possibility. You're jumping to the conclusion that Flynn brought it up in the meeting. Based on another WP report, it reads like Flynn was invited to the meeting by Trump to explain his remarks on Newsmax, which created such a stir.

Show us some of the "lots & lots" of reporting which specifically claims that Flynn (himself) specifically advocated for martial law in that meeting, rather than following the Constitutional process, as he advocated in the Newsmax appearance. ...& what are the sources for that reporting ?

“Could” conveys optionality.

[dislaxxic]

...we're debating what the definition of "could", could be...??

..

[old salt]

Yup, so he should have not gotten on board the war of civilizations nonsense.

At this point, it's clear that he's a traitor to our Constitution.

Do you see any distinction between Islam & militant Islam ?

In Flynn's public remarks in which he mentioned martial law, he said he was not advocating it, that we have a Constitutional process.
Everything since has been hysterical hearsay media distortion & "reporting" based on unnamed sources.
Flynn said "could", yet how many cable news banners said "should" invoke martial law.

You're as careless with the accusation of treason as is Judge Sullivan.

Nope, the traitorous encouragement of a declaration of martial law wasn't done just once, it's been repeated numerous times in the White House by Flynn. He's anti-Constitution, anti-law. The 'lock her up' chants being just one instance, but he thinks he himself should be above the law.

Treason is a very specific crime in a time of declared war. Traitor and traitorous being more broadly understood. But sure, 'treasonous' is also understood as not the crime itself.

Do I see any distinction between Islam and a specific label that clearly defines those who use Islam as an excuse for death and destruction? Of course. But the 'war of civilizations' does not.

What are your sources inside the WH ?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
...there have been no efforts inside the White House to actually deploy the military and that the idea was quickly dismissed at the meeting.

Who do you think was advocating for it?
The 'quickly dismissed' was by those with some degree of sanity left, but that dismissal was met with anger and shouts, egged on by Trump...lots and lots of reporting that Flynn was advocating this stupid, antiAmerican course of action along with Powell and Byrne. And not just in one meeting.

All the reports I've seen cite Flynn's Newsmax appearence (in which he said "could" not "should" & advocated following the Constitutional process).They then report in a passive voice, saying that the subject of martial law came up in the meeting. I've seen no reporting that specifically claims that Flynn brought it up or advocated for it in the meeting. It's more likely that Trump asked about the possibility. You're jumping to the conclusion that Flynn brought it up in the meeting. Based on another WP report, it reads like Flynn was invited to the meeting by Trump to explain his remarks on Newsmax, which created such a stir.

Show us some of the "lots & lots" of reporting which specifically claims that Flynn (himself) specifically advocated for martial law in that meeting, rather than following the Constitutional process, as he advocated in the Newsmax appearance. ...& what are the sources for that reporting ?

“Could” conveys optionality.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump Dec 20

Martial law = Fake News. Just more knowingly bad reporting!

[Typical Lax Dad]

...we're debating what the definition of "could", could be...??

..

Could is “on the table”....a lot different than “wouldn’t”

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.justsecurity.org/73986/invo ... -sedition/

Following Flynn’s public remarks, the idea of a military coup took shape in earnest last Friday, when the president met with Flynn and Flynn’s (and the Trump campaign’s) former lawyer, Sidney Powell, as well as with executive branch staff, to discuss various methods for overturning the results of the election, including the use of martial law. Trump reportedly asked Flynn to spell out his proposal during the meeting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/us/p ... fraud.html

Flynn pushed for Mr. Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to “ rerun” the election. At one point in the meeting on Friday, Mr. Trump ...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics ... index.html

President Donald Trump convened a heated meeting in the Oval Office on Friday, including lawyer Sidney Powell and her client, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, two people familiar with the matter said, describing a session that began as an impromptu gathering but devolved and eventually broke out into screaming matches at certain points as some of Trump's aides pushed back on Powell and Flynn's more outrageous suggestions about overturning the election.

Flynn had suggested earlier this week that Trump could invoke martial law as part of his efforts to overturn the election that he lost to President-elect Joe Biden -- an idea that arose again during the meeting in the Oval Office, one of the people said. It wasn't clear whether Trump endorsed the idea, but others in the room forcefully pushed back and shot it down.
The meeting was first reported by the New York Times.
White House aides who participated in the meeting, including White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and counsel Pat Cipollone, also pushed back intensely on the suggestion of naming Powell as a special counsel to investigate voter fraud allegations Trump's own administration has dismissed (or, as seems more feasible, hiring her in the administration for some kind of investigatory role). Powell has focused her conspiracies on voting machines and has floated the notion of having a special counsel inspect the machines for flaws.
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Another idea floated in the meeting was an executive order that would permit the government to access voting machines to inspect them.
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One person described the meeting as "ugly" as Powell and Flynn accused others of abandoning the President as he works to overturn the results of the election.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.justsecurity.org/73986/invo ... -sedition/

Following Flynn’s public remarks, the idea of a military coup took shape in earnest last Friday, when the president met with Flynn and Flynn’s (and the Trump campaign’s) former lawyer, Sidney Powell, as well as with executive branch staff, to discuss various methods for overturning the results of the election, including the use of martial law. Trump reportedly asked Flynn to spell out his proposal during the meeting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/us/p ... fraud.html

Flynn pushed for Mr. Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to “ rerun” the election. At one point in the meeting on Friday, Mr. Trump ...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics ... index.html

President Donald Trump convened a heated meeting in the Oval Office on Friday, including lawyer Sidney Powell and her client, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, two people familiar with the matter said, describing a session that began as an impromptu gathering but devolved and eventually broke out into screaming matches at certain points as some of Trump's aides pushed back on Powell and Flynn's more outrageous suggestions about overturning the election.

Flynn had suggested earlier this week that Trump could invoke martial law as part of his efforts to overturn the election that he lost to President-elect Joe Biden -- an idea that arose again during the meeting in the Oval Office, one of the people said. It wasn't clear whether Trump endorsed the idea, but others in the room forcefully pushed back and shot it down.
The meeting was first reported by the New York Times.
White House aides who participated in the meeting, including White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and counsel Pat Cipollone, also pushed back intensely on the suggestion of naming Powell as a special counsel to investigate voter fraud allegations Trump's own administration has dismissed (or, as seems more feasible, hiring her in the administration for some kind of investigatory role). Powell has focused her conspiracies on voting machines and has floated the notion of having a special counsel inspect the machines for flaws.
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Another idea floated in the meeting was an executive order that would permit the government to access voting machines to inspect them.
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Trump remains silent as massive cyber hack poses 'grave risk' to government
The US government has executed 10 people this year -- the most since 1896
MAP: Full presidential election results
One person described the meeting as "ugly" as Powell and Flynn accused others of abandoning the President as he works to overturn the results of the election.

Mike Flynn is a patriot. Someone tricked him into making those statements.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Yup, so he should have not gotten on board the war of civilizations nonsense.

At this point, it's clear that he's a traitor to our Constitution.

Do you see any distinction between Islam & militant Islam ?

In Flynn's public remarks in which he mentioned martial law, he said he was not advocating it, that we have a Constitutional process.
Everything since has been hysterical hearsay media distortion & "reporting" based on unnamed sources.
Flynn said "could", yet how many cable news banners said "should" invoke martial law.

You're as careless with the accusation of treason as is Judge Sullivan.

Nope, the traitorous encouragement of a declaration of martial law wasn't done just once, it's been repeated numerous times in the White House by Flynn. He's anti-Constitution, anti-law. The 'lock her up' chants being just one instance, but he thinks he himself should be above the law.

Treason is a very specific crime in a time of declared war. Traitor and traitorous being more broadly understood. But sure, 'treasonous' is also understood as not the crime itself.

Do I see any distinction between Islam and a specific label that clearly defines those who use Islam as an excuse for death and destruction? Of course. But the 'war of civilizations' does not.

What are your sources inside the WH ?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
...there have been no efforts inside the White House to actually deploy the military and that the idea was quickly dismissed at the meeting.

Who do you think was advocating for it?
The 'quickly dismissed' was by those with some degree of sanity left, but that dismissal was met with anger and shouts, egged on by Trump...lots and lots of reporting that Flynn was advocating this stupid, antiAmerican course of action along with Powell and Byrne. And not just in one meeting.

All the reports I've seen cite Flynn's Newsmax appearence (in which he said "could" not "should" & advocated following the Constitutional process).They then report in a passive voice, saying that the subject of martial law came up in the meeting. I've seen no reporting that specifically claims that Flynn brought it up or advocated for it in the meeting. It's more likely that Trump asked about the possibility. You're jumping to the conclusion that Flynn brought it up in the meeting. Based on another WP report, it reads like Flynn was invited to the meeting by Trump to explain his remarks on Newsmax, which created such a stir.

Show us some of the "lots & lots" of reporting which specifically claims that Flynn (himself) specifically advocated for martial law in that meeting, rather than following the Constitutional process, as he advocated in the Newsmax appearance. ...& what are the sources for that reporting ?

“Could” conveys optionality.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump Dec 20

Martial law = Fake News. Just more knowingly bad reporting!

Glad Trump cleared that up.

[CU77]

Mike Flynn is a patriot. Someone tricked him into making those statements.

Damn, that dude sure is easily tricked!

[old salt]

https://www.justsecurity.org/73986/invo ... -sedition/

Trump reportedly asked Flynn to spell out his proposal during the meeting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/us/p ... fraud.html

Flynn pushed for Mr. Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to “ rerun” the election.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics ... index.html

President Donald Trump convened a heated meeting ...including... former national security adviser Michael Flynn, two people familiar with the matter said,

Flynn had suggested earlier this week that Trump could invoke martial law... an idea that arose again during the meeting in the Oval Office, one of the people said. It wasn't clear whether Trump endorsed the idea, but others in the room forcefully pushed back and shot it down.

Your links all make my point, as the above trimmed down excerpts illustrate,
as well as the additional below, which you omitted from your NY Times excerpt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/us/p ... fraud.html

...Flynn, the former national security adviser whom the president recently pardoned, was also there, two of the people briefed on the meeting said. Some senior administration officials drifted in and out of the meeting.

During an appearance on the conservative Newsmax channel this week, Mr. Flynn pushed for Mr. Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to “rerun” the election. At one point in the meeting on Friday, Mr. Trump asked about that idea.

Of all your articles, plus the WP, the NYT is the only you show that implies Flynn advocated or "pushed" for martial law in the meeting. In your NYT excerpt you made it look like he "pushed for"it in the meeting, when they reported that he "pushed for" it in the Newsmax video, not in the meeting.

pushed for was the NYT's interpretation of what Flynn said on Newsmax, when he actually said could & I'm not calling for that.

The source = two of the people briefed on the meeting said = double hearsay = the DC telephone game from sources who likely argued against Flynn.

All the articles report that Trump invited Flynn & the others to the WH while casting about for anyone who might have an idea.

Both Powell & Flynn were getting tv time & Trump wanted to explore what Flynn had said on Newsmax.

Read The Hill Report on the Newsmax appearance & watch the embedded video.
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/53079 ... n-election
Flynn was spitballing, responding to hypotheticals, looking to keep Trump supporters fired up.

It generated a media firestorm & Flynn was called to the WH to explain himself. The possibility of martial law was quickly dismissed.
Flynn was summoned to the WH, He didn't go there to pitch a plan for martial law.

This is media hype & exaggeration. It's a NYT "scoop", based on double hearsay from insiders looking to discredit Powell & Flynn (rightfully so) which all the other reports repeated &/or referenced. This is how "fake news" conventional wisdom is manufactured.

Flynn went too far when blowing smoke with hypotheticals on Newsmax, then got called to the WH to explain himself (again).

That is not proof that he advocated martial law, then or now. I'm still more convinced by his affirmative statement on the Newsmax video where I heard him say -- I'm not calling for that. We have to follow the Constitutional process.

I'm still not convinced that Flynn was advocating martial law on Newsmax or in the WH meeting. I believe he was discussing what he thought might be hypothetically possible.

[DocBarrister]

QAnon followers believe the Democratic Party is run by satanic, child-eating cannibals and that Trump is secretly waging a war against them. Adherents follow "Q," an anonymous poster to the extremist site 8kun, who has posted prophecies since 2017 that have repeatedly failed to materialize. The Q account, which usually posts several times a week, has largely been dormant since Election Day.

... Riggleman, who lost his GOP primary in June and will be replaced in Congress by Republican Bob Good in January, has turned into a fierce critic of QAnon and its hold on his party.

"I'm losing friends and family over a straight-up cult based on anti-Semitism, fantasy and just bizarre made-up tripe," he said. "It's an idiocracy based on a digital prophet.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/t ... p-n1252144

I suspect some of our own forum members are imbecile QAnon cultists.

Pathetic.

DocBarrister

[Farfromgeneva]

https://www.justsecurity.org/73986/invo ... -sedition/

Trump reportedly asked Flynn to spell out his proposal during the meeting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/us/p ... fraud.html

Flynn pushed for Mr. Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to “ rerun” the election.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics ... index.html

President Donald Trump convened a heated meeting ...including... former national security adviser Michael Flynn, two people familiar with the matter said,

Flynn had suggested earlier this week that Trump could invoke martial law... an idea that arose again during the meeting in the Oval Office, one of the people said. It wasn't clear whether Trump endorsed the idea, but others in the room forcefully pushed back and shot it down.

Your links all make my point, as the above trimmed down excerpts illustrate,
as well as the additional below, which you omitted from your NY Times excerpt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/us/p ... fraud.html

...Flynn, the former national security adviser whom the president recently pardoned, was also there, two of the people briefed on the meeting said. Some senior administration officials drifted in and out of the meeting.

During an appearance on the conservative Newsmax channel this week, Mr. Flynn pushed for Mr. Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to “rerun” the election. At one point in the meeting on Friday, Mr. Trump asked about that idea.

Of all your articles, plus the WP, the NYT is the only you show that implies Flynn advocated or "pushed" for martial law in the meeting. In your NYT excerpt you made it look like he "pushed for"it in the meeting, when they reported that he "pushed for" it in the Newsmax video, not in the meeting.

pushed for was the NYT's interpretation of what Flynn said on Newsmax, when he actually said could & I'm not calling for that.

The source = two of the people briefed on the meeting said = double hearsay = the DC telephone game from sources who likely argued against Flynn.

All the articles report that Trump invited Flynn & the others to the WH while casting about for anyone who might have an idea.

Both Powell & Flynn were getting tv time & Trump wanted to explore what Flynn had said on Newsmax.

Read The Hill Report on the Newsmax appearance & watch the embedded video.
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/53079 ... n-election
Flynn was spitballing, responding to hypotheticals, looking to keep Trump supporters fired up.

It generated a media firestorm & Flynn was called to the WH to explain himself. The possibility of martial law was quickly dismissed.
Flynn was summoned to the WH, He didn't go there to pitch a plan for martial law.

This is media hype & exaggeration. It's a NYT "scoop", based on double hearsay from insiders looking to discredit Powell & Flynn (rightfully so) which all the other reports repeated &/or referenced. This is how "fake news" conventional wisdom is manufactured.

Flynn went too far when blowing smoke with hypotheticals on Newsmax, then got called to the WH to explain himself (again).

That is not proof that he advocated martial law, then or now. I'm still more convinced by his affirmative statement on the Newsmax video where I heard him say -- I'm not calling for that. We have to follow the Constitutional process.

I'm still not convinced that Flynn was advocating martial law on Newsmax or in the WH meeting. I believe he was discussing what he thought might be hypothetically possible.

All I can say is “Beretta did that s*%t!”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XXc3O6GMZt0

[cradleandshoot]

Mike Flynn is a patriot. Someone tricked him into making those statements.

Damn, that dude sure is easily tricked!

I'm surprised he is not a democrat.

[Farfromgeneva]

Like this guy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busine ... 19-8%3famp

[MDlaxfan76]

Salty,
I've listened to him a dozen times now...he's adamant, not spitballing, that Trump has the option to invoke martial law, it's not unprecedented, its been done 64 times...he's strongly stated that case to rerun the election. He takes his foot off the accelerator pedal with the "I'm not calling for that"... leaving out the "yet". They have another "Constitutional process" step first which is Jan 6...but he's just argued that invoking martial law is a Constitutional process too.

Are you trying to suggest that Trump brought him into the WH to chastise him for that argument, that statement on Newsmax???

Not buying that nonsense. Nor am I buying your nonsense that Flynn wasn't one of those advocating for such actions in the 'screaming' WH meeting when others pushed back against Flynn, Powell, and Byrne. Who the heck do you think the argument was between?

[MDlaxfan76]

Like this guy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busine ... 19-8%3famp

That's the cat with Flynn and Powell...man, these cats are some feral, mangy beasts.

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.justsecurity.org/73986/invo ... -sedition/

Trump reportedly asked Flynn to spell out his proposal during the meeting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/us/p ... fraud.html

Flynn pushed for Mr. Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to “ rerun” the election.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics ... index.html

President Donald Trump convened a heated meeting ...including... former national security adviser Michael Flynn, two people familiar with the matter said,

Flynn had suggested earlier this week that Trump could invoke martial law... an idea that arose again during the meeting in the Oval Office, one of the people said. It wasn't clear whether Trump endorsed the idea, but others in the room forcefully pushed back and shot it down.

Your links all make my point, as the above trimmed down excerpts illustrate,
as well as the additional below, which you omitted from your NY Times excerpt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/us/p ... fraud.html

...Flynn, the former national security adviser whom the president recently pardoned, was also there, two of the people briefed on the meeting said. Some senior administration officials drifted in and out of the meeting.

During an appearance on the conservative Newsmax channel this week, Mr. Flynn pushed for Mr. Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to “rerun” the election. At one point in the meeting on Friday, Mr. Trump asked about that idea.

Of all your articles, plus the WP, the NYT is the only you show that implies Flynn advocated or "pushed" for martial law in the meeting. In your NYT excerpt you made it look like he "pushed for"it in the meeting, when they reported that he "pushed for" it in the Newsmax video, not in the meeting.

pushed for was the NYT's interpretation of what Flynn said on Newsmax, when he actually said could & I'm not calling for that.

The source = two of the people briefed on the meeting said = double hearsay = the DC telephone game from sources who likely argued against Flynn.

All the articles report that Trump invited Flynn & the others to the WH while casting about for anyone who might have an idea.

Both Powell & Flynn were getting tv time & Trump wanted to explore what Flynn had said on Newsmax.

Read The Hill Report on the Newsmax appearance & watch the embedded video.
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/53079 ... n-election
Flynn was spitballing, responding to hypotheticals, looking to keep Trump supporters fired up.

It generated a media firestorm & Flynn was called to the WH to explain himself. The possibility of martial law was quickly dismissed.
Flynn was summoned to the WH, He didn't go there to pitch a plan for martial law.

This is media hype & exaggeration. It's a NYT "scoop", based on double hearsay from insiders looking to discredit Powell & Flynn (rightfully so) which all the other reports repeated &/or referenced. This is how "fake news" conventional wisdom is manufactured.

Flynn went too far when blowing smoke with hypotheticals on Newsmax, then got called to the WH to explain himself (again).

That is not proof that he advocated martial law, then or now. I'm still more convinced by his affirmative statement on the Newsmax video where I heard him say -- I'm not calling for that. We have to follow the Constitutional process.

I'm still not convinced that Flynn was advocating martial law on Newsmax or in the WH meeting. I believe he was discussing what he thought might be hypothetically possible.

All I can say is “Beretta did that s*%t!”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XXc3O6GMZt0

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.justsecurity.org/73986/invo ... -sedition/

Trump reportedly asked Flynn to spell out his proposal during the meeting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/us/p ... fraud.html

Flynn pushed for Mr. Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to “ rerun” the election.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics ... index.html

President Donald Trump convened a heated meeting ...including... former national security adviser Michael Flynn, two people familiar with the matter said,

Flynn had suggested earlier this week that Trump could invoke martial law... an idea that arose again during the meeting in the Oval Office, one of the people said. It wasn't clear whether Trump endorsed the idea, but others in the room forcefully pushed back and shot it down.

Your links all make my point, as the above trimmed down excerpts illustrate,
as well as the additional below, which you omitted from your NY Times excerpt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/us/p ... fraud.html

...Flynn, the former national security adviser whom the president recently pardoned, was also there, two of the people briefed on the meeting said. Some senior administration officials drifted in and out of the meeting.

During an appearance on the conservative Newsmax channel this week, Mr. Flynn pushed for Mr. Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to “rerun” the election. At one point in the meeting on Friday, Mr. Trump asked about that idea.

Of all your articles, plus the WP, the NYT is the only you show that implies Flynn advocated or "pushed" for martial law in the meeting. In your NYT excerpt you made it look like he "pushed for"it in the meeting, when they reported that he "pushed for" it in the Newsmax video, not in the meeting.

pushed for was the NYT's interpretation of what Flynn said on Newsmax, when he actually said could & I'm not calling for that.

The source = two of the people briefed on the meeting said = double hearsay = the DC telephone game from sources who likely argued against Flynn.

All the articles report that Trump invited Flynn & the others to the WH while casting about for anyone who might have an idea.

Both Powell & Flynn were getting tv time & Trump wanted to explore what Flynn had said on Newsmax.

Read The Hill Report on the Newsmax appearance & watch the embedded video.
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/53079 ... n-election
Flynn was spitballing, responding to hypotheticals, looking to keep Trump supporters fired up.

It generated a media firestorm & Flynn was called to the WH to explain himself. The possibility of martial law was quickly dismissed.
Flynn was summoned to the WH, He didn't go there to pitch a plan for martial law.

This is media hype & exaggeration. It's a NYT "scoop", based on double hearsay from insiders looking to discredit Powell & Flynn (rightfully so) which all the other reports repeated &/or referenced. This is how "fake news" conventional wisdom is manufactured.

Flynn went too far when blowing smoke with hypotheticals on Newsmax, then got called to the WH to explain himself (again).

That is not proof that he advocated martial law, then or now. I'm still more convinced by his affirmative statement on the Newsmax video where I heard him say -- I'm not calling for that. We have to follow the Constitutional process.

I'm still not convinced that Flynn was advocating martial law on Newsmax or in the WH meeting. I believe he was discussing what he thought might be hypothetically possible.

All I can say is “Beretta did that s*%t!”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XXc3O6GMZt0

Schmidlap on the witness stand! That P*ss was digital....R. Kelly was tricked!!

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/politics ... index.html

[old salt]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/politics ... index.html

Explicit call = BS. Flynn explicitly said "I'm not calling for that".

[old salt]

Salty,
I've listened to him a dozen times now...he's adamant, not spitballing, that Trump has the option to invoke martial law, it's not unprecedented, its been done 64 times...he's strongly stated that case to rerun the election. He takes his foot off the accelerator pedal with the "I'm not calling for that"... leaving out the "yet". They have another "Constitutional process" step first which is Jan 6...but he's just argued that invoking martial law is a Constitutional process too.

Are you trying to suggest that Trump brought him into the WH to chastise him for that argument, that statement on Newsmax???

Not buying that nonsense. Nor am I buying your nonsense that Flynn wasn't one of those advocating for such actions in the 'screaming' WH meeting when others pushed back against Flynn, Powell, and Byrne. Who the heck do you think the argument was between?

"Yet" is your supposition. It's not what he said.

It's been reported by Trump's critics in the media that he's grasping at straws & he's bringing in anybody who might have an idea.
He'd obviously heard about Flynn's Newsmax comments & he wanted to explore them, along with other ideas, among his advisors.
None of the reports quote, or even paraphrase, what Flynn said in the meeting. Like you, it's all supposition.

All the reports say that the idea of martial law was quickly dismissed & that the shouting match was about an accusation of insufficient support for Trump. No direct link reported between martial law & the shouting match. Powell had a lot of nutty ideas that went far beyond Flynn's off the cuff hypothetical on Newsmax. Her recommendations could have triggered the argument. Trump tweeted that martial law was fake news & bad reporting. The two unnamed second hand hearsay sources did not assert that Flynn recommended his Newsmax martial law hypothetical. They do report that Trump asked about it.

Flynn's a bomb thrower. This bomb went viral, like "lock her up" did. Bread & circuses.