2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[Brooklyn]

from the sewer to a real President:

[a fan]

Would they be the same 1950s Conservatives that had no problem keeping black people in the back of the bus?

Fair point. I guess I was thinking of the non-cultural aspects of American Conservatism: small government. Freer markets over heavily regulated ones.

To be fair a 1950s Liberal Democrat would not recognize the party today as well. Hell my family were all liberal Democrats. I was raised as a liberal democrat. There is absolutely nothing in the democrat party, circa 2020 that resembles the democrat party of my parents generation. IMO that should come as no surprise.

Yes! It's why the left is fed up with Biden and the corrupt Corporate Dems that sold out the American worker. The left is on to the BS of R's and D's. Republican voters aren't....they, instead, doubled down on the Republican brand.

The biggest reason I'm so much more critical of Republicans is that if they did what they claimed? I'd be one of them. I'd vote straight ticket. They have lost their way, and gotten bogged down in nonsense and tabloid-governance.

I watched during the last 4 years as fiscal conservatives stood on the sidelines and said NOTHING about all the money trump was whizzing away. I bet these people expect to gain credibility again once trump leaves office? They will pretend as if nothing ever happened.

They already have their excuse: Covid. They're going to pretend like the nearly $4 Trillion in new spending that happened BEFORE Covid happened AFTER Covid.

And Republican voters will, as always, buy it.

I honestly don't think the Republican party will recover from Trumpism and the fake partisanship of FoxNation.

And guys like Charles Koch have finally figured that out. Did you see his mea culpa?


https://www.salon.com/2020/11/24/boy-di ... orgia-gop/

[Farfromgeneva]

For MD -- to be effective, soft power must be a velvet glove covering an iron fist (to paraphrase James Baker, Trump voter).

And Trump did neither the velvet nor the iron with either Putin or China.

What he did instead was----give you and your fellow TrumpFans a bunch of BS, and keep right on trading with both countries. No velvet. No iron.

So Chinese imports to the US are exploding. And Putin is STILL messing with us via the internet.

And I told you what we should do with both four years ago. You made fun.

We are further behind with both Putin and China as a result.

Be intellectually honest. You deride Trump for BS'ing his supporters, then respond with the same level of superficiality.

Nobody can undo 3 decades of selling out our industrial capacity to China. You know we can't immediately embargo trade with China. Covid showed that. All we can do is protect a core of defense essential manufacturing & extraction capabilities, & claw back whatever manufacturing we can, on the margins. So what if Putin is messing with us on the internet ? What should we do about that ? We've already got him boxed in militarily & sanctioned to the max. Give him more public scoldings which he uses to bolster his domestic approval ratings ? Do you want to see our ships & planes colliding ? Our Tech oligarchs can censor him on the internet.

Messing with our Internet? A very anachronistic view of the world. Makes sense why you believe Russia is a non threat.

What's your plan for countering the Russian cyber threat ? More US tanks in Poland ?

Why would I have a plan? The great and credible miltary expert on all things has told me Russia isn't a threat.

[Typical Lax Dad]

For MD -- to be effective, soft power must be a velvet glove covering an iron fist (to paraphrase James Baker, Trump voter).

And Trump did neither the velvet nor the iron with either Putin or China.

What he did instead was----give you and your fellow TrumpFans a bunch of BS, and keep right on trading with both countries. No velvet. No iron.

So Chinese imports to the US are exploding. And Putin is STILL messing with us via the internet.

And I told you what we should do with both four years ago. You made fun.

We are further behind with both Putin and China as a result.

Be intellectually honest. You deride Trump for BS'ing his supporters, then respond with the same level of superficiality.

Nobody can undo 3 decades of selling out our industrial capacity to China. You know we can't immediately embargo trade with China. Covid showed that. All we can do is protect a core of defense essential manufacturing & extraction capabilities, & claw back whatever manufacturing we can, on the margins. So what if Putin is messing with us on the internet ? What should we do about that ? We've already got him boxed in militarily & sanctioned to the max. Give him more public scoldings which he uses to bolster his domestic approval ratings ? Do you want to see our ships & planes colliding ? Our Tech oligarchs can censor him on the internet.

Messing with our Internet? A very anachronistic view of the world. Makes sense why you believe Russia is a non threat.

What's your plan for countering the Russian cyber threat ? More US tanks in Poland ?

Why would I have a plan? The great and credible miltary expert on all things has told me Russia isn't a threat.

Russia doesn’t matter anymore.

[Farfromgeneva]

Exactly. Cars are still engineering marvels from the 1960s, we've exported work that we don't have the required skills to exectue collectively to China. Russia is a country we shouldn't be paying any attention to, China (and the Clinton pedophilia ring) is the only threat to us.

[cradleandshoot]

Would they be the same 1950s Conservatives that had no problem keeping black people in the back of the bus?

Fair point. I guess I was thinking of the non-cultural aspects of American Conservatism: small government. Freer markets over heavily regulated ones.

To be fair a 1950s Liberal Democrat would not recognize the party today as well. Hell my family were all liberal Democrats. I was raised as a liberal democrat. There is absolutely nothing in the democrat party, circa 2020 that resembles the democrat party of my parents generation. IMO that should come as no surprise.

Yes! It's why the left is fed up with Biden and the corrupt Corporate Dems that sold out the American worker. The left is on to the BS of R's and D's. Republican voters aren't....they, instead, doubled down on the Republican brand.

The biggest reason I'm so much more critical of Republicans is that if they did what they claimed? I'd be one of them. I'd vote straight ticket. They have lost their way, and gotten bogged down in nonsense and tabloid-governance.

I watched during the last 4 years as fiscal conservatives stood on the sidelines and said NOTHING about all the money trump was whizzing away. I bet these people expect to gain credibility again once trump leaves office? They will pretend as if nothing ever happened.

They already have their excuse: Covid. They're going to pretend like the nearly $4 Trillion in new spending that happened BEFORE Covid happened AFTER Covid.

And Republican voters will, as always, buy it.

I honestly don't think the Republican party will recover from Trumpism and the fake partisanship of FoxNation.

And guys like Charles Koch have finally figured that out. Did you see his mea culpa?


https://www.salon.com/2020/11/24/boy-di ... orgia-gop/

It is not that i give a flying fig about the republican party, the sooner they divorce themselves, and this includes his fan club, from trump the better off they will be. The only way to handle trump after he leaves the White House is for the MM dumbasses to ignore him 100%. If he tweets his life away and nobody pays attention to him, and nobody responds to him, you have taken away his power. trump should become the last player taken in the NFL draft... Mr Irrelevant. The person nobody outside of his own mother that nobody cares about.

[cradleandshoot]

For MD -- to be effective, soft power must be a velvet glove covering an iron fist (to paraphrase James Baker, Trump voter).

And Trump did neither the velvet nor the iron with either Putin or China.

What he did instead was----give you and your fellow TrumpFans a bunch of BS, and keep right on trading with both countries. No velvet. No iron.

So Chinese imports to the US are exploding. And Putin is STILL messing with us via the internet.

And I told you what we should do with both four years ago. You made fun.

We are further behind with both Putin and China as a result.

Be intellectually honest. You deride Trump for BS'ing his supporters, then respond with the same level of superficiality.

Nobody can undo 3 decades of selling out our industrial capacity to China. You know we can't immediately embargo trade with China. Covid showed that. All we can do is protect a core of defense essential manufacturing & extraction capabilities, & claw back whatever manufacturing we can, on the margins. So what if Putin is messing with us on the internet ? What should we do about that ? We've already got him boxed in militarily & sanctioned to the max. Give him more public scoldings which he uses to bolster his domestic approval ratings ? Do you want to see our ships & planes colliding ? Our Tech oligarchs can censor him on the internet.

Messing with our Internet? A very anachronistic view of the world. Makes sense why you believe Russia is a non threat.

What's your plan for countering the Russian cyber threat ? More US tanks in Poland ?

Why would I have a plan? The great and credible miltary expert on all things has told me Russia isn't a threat.

Russia doesn’t matter anymore.

Well, once Biden takes office we both know Russia will not matter a hill of beans anymore. I wonder how trump even lost with Putin all in the tank for him. It reminds me of the scene from one of my favorite movies. When Lonigan sardonically says what was i going to do... say he is a better cheater than me.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=th ... &FORM=VIRE

The relevant quote is #3

[Matnum PI]

Gov. Brian Kemp's office has responded to Trump's demands to help him overturn Georgia's election results with a reminder that state law "prohibits the governor from interfering in the election."

[cradleandshoot]

This is a network “news” station

By the way? This completely ends the idea that "They are all the same".

Democrats don't do this. And the MSM would never have enabled it.

Hillary conceded, no problems whatsoever.


Anyone here think that Republican voters----or heck, the Republicans on the Forum, outside of MDLax-----are going to admit that they are group that's causing so many freaking problems in Federal Governance?

Yeah, I don't either. 1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so.

"1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so."

Would they be the same 1950s Conservatives that had no problem keeping black people in the back of the bus? To be fair a 1950s Liberal Democrat would not recognize the party today as well. Hell my family were all liberal Democrats. I was raised as a liberal democrat. There is absolutely nothing in the democrat party, circa 2020 that resembles the democrat party of my parents generation. IMO that should come as no surprise. The Rs and the Ds have both morphed into totally different versions of what the parties used to be. I watched during the last 4 years as fiscal conservatives stood on the sidelines and said NOTHING about all the money trump was whizzing away. I bet these people expect to gain credibility again once trump leaves office? They will pretend as if nothing ever happened.

Actually, The mainstream Republican Party of the 1950s (not McCarthy) was actually quite liberal by today's definition. The Democratic Party had all those Southerners dating back to the Civil War to go with the FDR New Dealers and organized labor. This is why LBJ had to get Sen. Everett Dirksen (R-Il) on board to pass the Civil & Voting Rights Acts in the mid 60s. Many in his own party would not support it. History often makes for strange bedfellows.

While we are on history - there was a Op-ED today in the NYT by Jochen Bittner of the Die Zeit newspaper in Germany referencing what occurred in Germany in 1918 after WWI and parallels to today in America.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/opin ... -1918.html

1918 Germany Has a Warning for America
Donald Trump’s “Stop the Steal” campaign recalls one of the most disastrous political lies of the 20th century.

"HAMBURG, Germany — It may well be that Germans have a special inclination to panic at specters from the past, and I admit that this alarmism annoys me at times. Yet watching President Trump’s “Stop the Steal” campaign since Election Day, I can’t help but see a parallel to one of the most dreadful episodes from Germany’s history.

One hundred years ago, amid the implosions of Imperial Germany, powerful conservatives who led the country into war refused to accept that they had lost. Their denial gave birth to arguably the most potent and disastrous political lie of the 20th century — the Dolchstosslegende, or stab-in-the-back myth.

Its core claim was that Imperial Germany never lost World War I. Defeat, its proponents said, was declared but not warranted. It was a conspiracy, a con, a capitulation — a grave betrayal that forever stained the nation. That the claim was palpably false didn’t matter. Among a sizable number of Germans, it stirred resentment, humiliation and anger. And the one figure who knew best how to exploit their frustration was Adolf Hitler.

Don’t get me wrong: This is not about comparing Mr. Trump to Hitler, which would be absurd. But the Dolchstosslegende provides a warning. It’s tempting to dismiss Mr. Trump’s irrational claim that the election was “rigged” as a laughable last convulsion of his reign or a cynical bid to heighten the market value for the TV personality he might once again intend to become, especially as he appears to be giving up on his effort to overturn the election result.

But that would be a grave error. Instead, the campaign should be seen as what it is: an attempt to elevate “They stole it” to the level of legend, perhaps seeding for the future social polarization and division on a scale America has never seen.

In 1918, Germany was staring at defeat. The entry of the United States into the war the year before, and a sequence of successful counterattacks by British and French forces, left German forces demoralized. Navy sailors went on strike. They had no appetite to be butchered in the hopeless yet supposedly holy mission of Kaiser Wilhelm II and the loyal aristocrats who made up the Supreme Army Command.

A starving population joined the strikes and demands for a republic grew. On Nov. 9, 1918, Wilhelm abdicated, and two days later the army leaders signed the armistice. It was too much to bear for many: Military officers, monarchists and right-wingers spread the myth that if it had not been for political sabotage by Social Democrats and Jews back home, the army would never have had to give in.

The deceit found willing supporters. “Im Felde unbesiegt” — “undefeated on the battlefield” — was the slogan with which returning soldiers were greeted. Newspapers and postcards depicted German soldiers being stabbed in the back by either evil figures carrying the red flag of socialism or grossly caricatured Jews.

By the time of the Treaty of Versailles the following year, the myth was already well established. The harsh conditions imposed by the Allies, including painful reparation payments, burnished the sense of betrayal. It was especially incomprehensible that Germany, in just a couple of years, had gone from one of the world’s most respected nations to its biggest loser.

The startling aspect about the Dolchstosslegende is this: It did not grow weaker after 1918 but stronger. In the face of humiliation and unable or unwilling to cope with the truth, many Germans embarked on a disastrous self-delusion: The nation had been betrayed, but its honor and greatness could never be lost. And those without a sense of national duty and righteousness — the left and even the elected government of the new republic — could never be legitimate custodians of the country.

In this way, the myth was not just the sharp wedge that drove the Weimar Republic apart. It was also at the heart of Nazi propaganda, and instrumental in justifying violence against opponents. The key to Hitler’s success was that, by 1933, a considerable part of the German electorate had put the ideas embodied in the myth — honor, greatness, national pride — above democracy.

The Germans were so worn down by the lost war, unemployment and international humiliation that they fell prey to the promises of a “Führer” who cracked down hard on anyone perceived as “traitors,” leftists and Jews above all. The stab-in-the-back myth was central to it all. When Hitler became chancellor on Jan. 30, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Völkischer Beobachter wrote that “irrepressible pride goes through the millions” who fought so long to “undo the shame of 9 November 1918.”

Germany’s first democracy fell. Without a basic consensus built on a shared reality, society split into groups of ardent, uncompromising partisans. And in an atmosphere of mistrust and paranoia, the notion that dissenters were threats to the nation steadily took hold.

Alarmingly, that seems to be exactly what is happening in the United States today. According to the Pew Research Center, 89 percent of Trump supporters believe that a Joe Biden presidency would do “lasting harm to the U.S.,” while 90 percent of Biden supporters think the reverse. And while the question of which news media to trust has long split America, now even the largely un-moderated Twitter is regarded as partisan. Since the election, millions of Trump supporters have installed the alternative social media app Parler. Filter bubbles are turning into filter networks.

In such a landscape of social fragmentation, Mr. Trump’s baseless accusations about electoral fraud could do serious harm. A staggering 88 percent of Trump voters believe that the election result is illegitimate, according to a YouGov poll. A myth of betrayal and injustice is well underway.

It took another war and decades of reappraisal for the Dolchstosslegende to be exposed as a disastrous, fatal fallacy. If it has any worth today, it is in the lessons it can teach other nations. First among them: Beware the beginnings."

While not an exact replica it appears to be common enough parallel for people to pay attention to the current situation here in America.

"Actually, The mainstream Republican Party of the 1950s (not McCarthy) was actually quite liberal by today's definition"

The same mainstream republicans that were so liberal they would not allow Elvis Presley to be viewed on live TV below the waist? The same mainstream liberal republicans who were stunned and shocked when rock and roll music became popular in the 50s. The same liberal republicans who would not allow The Rolling Stones to say the words to their song "let's spend the night together" on the Ed Sullivan Show in the 60s no less. There were some really cranky folks back there in the 50s and 60s that did not want to let young people express what they were feeling. Who were these rascals I wonder. They musta been them southern democrats in all of their holy rolling virtue. BTW interesting read your article from the NYT. It was pure horsechit, but interesting none theless. When the author goes out of his way to not compare trump with adolph and then spends the rest of the article trying to compare trump to adolph... This article was more appropriate for the potheads at rolling stone than it was for the NYT. Then again, is there really that much difference anymore between the rolling stone magazine and the new york times?

[Farfromgeneva]

This is a network “news” station

By the way? This completely ends the idea that "They are all the same".

Democrats don't do this. And the MSM would never have enabled it.

Hillary conceded, no problems whatsoever.


Anyone here think that Republican voters----or heck, the Republicans on the Forum, outside of MDLax-----are going to admit that they are group that's causing so many freaking problems in Federal Governance?

Yeah, I don't either. 1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so.

You musta’ forgot, Trump is really a Democrat, he just plays an r on tv. I believe you have also said this.

What about congress and repulibcan registered Trump voters? Are they also back door democrats? (obviously in the case of Lindsey Grahm, apparently he's been such for a while as Lady G)>

[cradleandshoot]

Exactly. Cars are still engineering marvels from the 1960s, we've exported work that we don't have the required skills to exectue collectively to China. Russia is a country we shouldn't be paying any attention to, China (and the Clinton pedophilia ring) is the only threat to us.

Didn't we spend the last 4 years on this forum reading about every swinging richard telling us what a grave threat the russians were to America. I get it now, dammit we have to pivot 180 degrees and focus back on the chicoms. They were the REAL threat all along. i wonder if the chicoms have also been effing with our elections too? I read enough on this forum to know that only the Vatican is the only gubmint on the planet that is not trying to eff with our elections... It would not surprise me if Pope Francis was contemplating effing with our elections as well.

[Farfromgeneva]

That was sarcasm on my part, sorry I don't really use emojis like some folks here. To suggest Russia is no longer a threat completely mis-undrstands the modern economy. It comes often from a person who talks about engineering marvels from 40-60yrs ago in cars and trucks and insists that our problem is allowing China to mass produce low skill goods with cheaper labor (and some mid skill work in certain industries where they aren't hamstrung by legacy training of employees so even with less training and education have a clear mind to mold to do these functions at work - the reason some folks like to only hire people without significant experience in doing things a certain way and would rather have someone moldable over "experience"). Of course Russia is a threat. When you are top of the mountain everyone is a threat and to think otherwise is crazy. You think our friends in Europe or Latin America are content to be told how and what to do by the US? They just aren't willing to hurt mass population and do real dirt to get a leg up like our non friend countries.

[Matnum PI]

Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs: "This election was conducted with transparency, accuracy and fairness in accordance with Arizona’s laws and election procedures — despite numerous unfounded claims to the contrary."

[old salt]

For MD -- to be effective, soft power must be a velvet glove covering an iron fist (to paraphrase James Baker, Trump voter).

And Trump did neither the velvet nor the iron with either Putin or China.

What he did instead was----give you and your fellow TrumpFans a bunch of BS, and keep right on trading with both countries. No velvet. No iron.

So Chinese imports to the US are exploding. And Putin is STILL messing with us via the internet.

And I told you what we should do with both four years ago. You made fun.

We are further behind with both Putin and China as a result.

Be intellectually honest. You deride Trump for BS'ing his supporters, then respond with the same level of superficiality.

Nobody can undo 3 decades of selling out our industrial capacity to China. You know we can't immediately embargo trade with China. Covid showed that. All we can do is protect a core of defense essential manufacturing & extraction capabilities, & claw back whatever manufacturing we can, on the margins. So what if Putin is messing with us on the internet ? What should we do about that ? We've already got him boxed in militarily & sanctioned to the max. Give him more public scoldings which he uses to bolster his domestic approval ratings ? Do you want to see our ships & planes colliding ? Our Tech oligarchs can censor him on the internet.

Messing with our Internet? A very anachronistic view of the world. Makes sense why you believe Russia is a non threat.

What's your plan for countering the Russian cyber threat ? More US tanks in Poland ?

Why would I have a plan? The great and credible miltary expert on all things has told me Russia isn't a threat.

Russia doesn’t matter anymore.

You're masters of the universe & men of the world. Tell us more about the Russian threat & what our EUro allies are doing to counter it. They're right next door.

[old salt]

That was sarcasm on my part, sorry I don't really use emojis like some folks here. To suggest Russia is no longer a threat completely mis-undrstands the modern economy. It comes often from a person who talks about engineering marvels from 40-60yrs ago in cars and trucks and insists that our problem is allowing China to mass produce low skill goods with cheaper labor (and some mid skill work in certain industries where they aren't hamstrung by legacy training of employees so even with less training and education have a clear mind to mold to do these functions at work - the reason some folks like to only hire people without significant experience in doing things a certain way and would rather have someone moldable over "experience"). Of course Russia is a threat. When you are top of the mountain everyone is a threat and to think otherwise is crazy. You think our friends in Europe or Latin America are content to be told how and what to do by the US? They just aren't willing to hurt mass population and do real dirt to get a leg up like our non friend countries.

Right. Money changer. I need lessons from you on technology & engineering. How many aircraft type ratings do you hold ? How many flight testing programs did you participate in ? I enjoy vintage cars, so what ? I drive new ones. You lived in EUrope. Compare how they protected their manufacturing base compared to US.

[MDlaxfan76]

Such thin skin.

[Typical Lax Dad]

For MD -- to be effective, soft power must be a velvet glove covering an iron fist (to paraphrase James Baker, Trump voter).

And Trump did neither the velvet nor the iron with either Putin or China.

What he did instead was----give you and your fellow TrumpFans a bunch of BS, and keep right on trading with both countries. No velvet. No iron.

So Chinese imports to the US are exploding. And Putin is STILL messing with us via the internet.

And I told you what we should do with both four years ago. You made fun.

We are further behind with both Putin and China as a result.

Be intellectually honest. You deride Trump for BS'ing his supporters, then respond with the same level of superficiality.

Nobody can undo 3 decades of selling out our industrial capacity to China. You know we can't immediately embargo trade with China. Covid showed that. All we can do is protect a core of defense essential manufacturing & extraction capabilities, & claw back whatever manufacturing we can, on the margins. So what if Putin is messing with us on the internet ? What should we do about that ? We've already got him boxed in militarily & sanctioned to the max. Give him more public scoldings which he uses to bolster his domestic approval ratings ? Do you want to see our ships & planes colliding ? Our Tech oligarchs can censor him on the internet.

Messing with our Internet? A very anachronistic view of the world. Makes sense why you believe Russia is a non threat.

What's your plan for countering the Russian cyber threat ? More US tanks in Poland ?

Why would I have a plan? The great and credible miltary expert on all things has told me Russia isn't a threat.

Russia doesn’t matter anymore.

You're masters of the universe & men of the world. Tell us more about the Russian threat & what our EUro allies are doing to counter it. They're right next door.

I don't collect checks drawn on the US Government. I am going to leave it to the guys that I pay to tell us.

[Brooklyn]

I just heard Arizona certified the vote for patriotic Biden. Kudos to that state's patriots for their vote!

Dump the Chump.

[old salt]

For MD -- to be effective, soft power must be a velvet glove covering an iron fist (to paraphrase James Baker, Trump voter).

And Trump did neither the velvet nor the iron with either Putin or China.

What he did instead was----give you and your fellow TrumpFans a bunch of BS, and keep right on trading with both countries. No velvet. No iron.

So Chinese imports to the US are exploding. And Putin is STILL messing with us via the internet.

And I told you what we should do with both four years ago. You made fun.

We are further behind with both Putin and China as a result.

Be intellectually honest. You deride Trump for BS'ing his supporters, then respond with the same level of superficiality.

Nobody can undo 3 decades of selling out our industrial capacity to China. You know we can't immediately embargo trade with China. Covid showed that. All we can do is protect a core of defense essential manufacturing & extraction capabilities, & claw back whatever manufacturing we can, on the margins. So what if Putin is messing with us on the internet ? What should we do about that ? We've already got him boxed in militarily & sanctioned to the max. Give him more public scoldings which he uses to bolster his domestic approval ratings ? Do you want to see our ships & planes colliding ? Our Tech oligarchs can censor him on the internet.

Messing with our Internet? A very anachronistic view of the world. Makes sense why you believe Russia is a non threat.

What's your plan for countering the Russian cyber threat ? More US tanks in Poland ?

Why would I have a plan? The great and credible miltary expert on all things has told me Russia isn't a threat.

Russia doesn’t matter anymore.

You're masters of the universe & men of the world. Tell us more about the Russian threat & what our EUro allies are doing to counter it. They're right next door.

I don't collect checks drawn on the US Government. I am going to leave it to the guys that I pay to tell us.

The US Govt check doesn't cover my tax bill. They could save the processing costs.

[Typical Lax Dad]

For MD -- to be effective, soft power must be a velvet glove covering an iron fist (to paraphrase James Baker, Trump voter).

And Trump did neither the velvet nor the iron with either Putin or China.

What he did instead was----give you and your fellow TrumpFans a bunch of BS, and keep right on trading with both countries. No velvet. No iron.

So Chinese imports to the US are exploding. And Putin is STILL messing with us via the internet.

And I told you what we should do with both four years ago. You made fun.

We are further behind with both Putin and China as a result.

Be intellectually honest. You deride Trump for BS'ing his supporters, then respond with the same level of superficiality.

Nobody can undo 3 decades of selling out our industrial capacity to China. You know we can't immediately embargo trade with China. Covid showed that. All we can do is protect a core of defense essential manufacturing & extraction capabilities, & claw back whatever manufacturing we can, on the margins. So what if Putin is messing with us on the internet ? What should we do about that ? We've already got him boxed in militarily & sanctioned to the max. Give him more public scoldings which he uses to bolster his domestic approval ratings ? Do you want to see our ships & planes colliding ? Our Tech oligarchs can censor him on the internet.

Messing with our Internet? A very anachronistic view of the world. Makes sense why you believe Russia is a non threat.

What's your plan for countering the Russian cyber threat ? More US tanks in Poland ?

Why would I have a plan? The great and credible miltary expert on all things has told me Russia isn't a threat.

Russia doesn’t matter anymore.

You're masters of the universe & men of the world. Tell us more about the Russian threat & what our EUro allies are doing to counter it. They're right next door.

I don't collect checks drawn on the US Government. I am going to leave it to the guys that I pay to tell us.

The US Govt check doesn't cover my tax bill.

Who said anything about you Commodore?