Johns Hopkins 2021

[51percentcorn]

yes '16 - the mj post was one of the all-timers

First off - with respect to the size of the offensive players - that of course had alot to do with the early recruiting - recruit a kid who is 13/14 years old - well it's a bit of a lottery to see how big he'll get. Then the machine gun approach didn't help either - well, I'll recruit DeSimone, Baskin, Keogh, Concannon etc. etc. and there all really attackmen not middies - but there was no one else to play midfield so there you were with 6 former high school attackmen on the field sometimes

The second paragraph is where I lose my code breaking abilities - is this a comment on the '21 class and Milliman because Todaro is the only top ranked player? I think two things led to the defections - first obviously the coaching turnover allowed the poachers to circle the carcass and get some prizes. Second, defections might have been inevitable even if Petro had stayed given that he brought in 2 consecutive classes of 18/17 players AND now all 35 or so have 4 years of eligibility. Recognize the point that other teams are in similiar boats but likely not many at 35 with 4 years and a roster that at one time was north of 60.

"Petro the new D Corrdinator How big is he?" I haven't a clue how to decipher that.

The '22 and '23 classes will be interesting. I get that the coaching turover potentialy hurt the '22 class in terms of securing one of the 5* attackmen but I like 2 things about the class - it's small (hopefully stays that way) and its seems to have some thought to its composition in lining up some middies. With Epstein having 3 years of eligibility and Angelus/Murphy/Grimes/McDermott and Bauer (to name some) all having 4 you will have people to play attack (you have a likely 0% shot at Millon in the 23 class) but you will obviously need kids to put the biscuit in the basket over the next few classes - Juniors length of time at Hopkins could be critical here. Hopkins needs a goalie who can live in the 55% range at least - maybe Kirson fills that role (if he gets the chance) for the next 2 years but after that?

[tech37]

Routing Hopkins was not very exclusive company in recent years.

Not the point wombat. To specifically mention those ACC teams and not Syracuse is either uniformed or disrespectful.

Uniformed?

You disrespect yourself.

Follow the thread wombat. I was referring to flalax22's comment, not yours.

YOU still don’t get it.

Uniformed?

Spelling not always a strong suit

Kind of anal on your part dude

Come into our house - better show your education!!

Oh please

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

State school? Or GED?

I think “Petro the new D coordinator” was supposed to be Jamo.

Another shining example of failing to pay attention to detail.

[HopFan16]

Even so, why are we talking about how big Jamo is? Surely he's not using the size of a player Petro recruited in the early 2000s as evidence against the fact that recent teams have been undersized at midfield...surely that cannot be it.

I suppose "lost three likely starters from the class" could also refer to the seniors who either transferred or left for the workforce following the coaching change (Concannon, Smith, Colwell)? Or is it referring to Grimes' class, in which case have three potential freshmen starters dropped from the roster without anyone knowing? (I'm 99.9% sure that didn't happen.) The beauty of the statement is in its ambiguity—truly a cornucopia of possibilities.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

Plus, Jamo is not small.

[jhu06]

can we make it a rule that only WOMBAT can post on page 1


SIXTY NINE.

[Sagittarius A*]

The Ravens have 18 players with positive Covid tests.
Since the Hopkins roster, with 60 players, is comparable to the Raven's roster size, I'm sure this won't be lost on the Hop AD.
I can envision a scenario where the BIG plays this season but Hopkins doesn't.
Imagine how embarrassing it would be if JHU had an undergrad outbreak? Hopkins' Covid numbers stream on CNN daily and Wolf Blitzer is an alum. A Hop campus outbreak would make national news.
This is not good.

[flalax22]

The Ravens have 18 players with positive Covid tests.
Since the Hopkins roster, with 60 players, is comparable to the Raven's roster size, I'm sure this won't be lost on the Hop AD.
I can envision a scenario where the BIG plays this season but Hopkins doesn't.
Imagine how embarrassing it would be if JHU had an undergrad outbreak? Hopkins' Covid numbers stream on CNN daily and Wolf Blitzer is an alum. A Hop campus outbreak would make national news.
This is not good.

Agree and it is why I don’t see it (the Jays season) happening. Hopkins can’t /won’t chance an outbreak on campus.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

Did you see what The News-Letter did over the past few weeks?

They started getting cited nationally, so they pulled the article.

I doubt many who cited the article realized they were dealing with the student newspaper. They saw “Johns Hopkins” and ran with it.

[44WeWantMore]

AIUI, there were two problems. First, the one you cite: many readers imputed a JH imprimatur to the article, when the News-Letter was, at least in my day. an independent, student-run, volunteer publication. Second, many readers were drawing undesirable conclusions from the article.

[wgdsr]

The Ravens have 18 players with positive Covid tests.
Since the Hopkins roster, with 60 players, is comparable to the Raven's roster size, I'm sure this won't be lost on the Hop AD.
I can envision a scenario where the BIG plays this season but Hopkins doesn't.
Imagine how embarrassing it would be if JHU had an undergrad outbreak? Hopkins' Covid numbers stream on CNN daily and Wolf Blitzer is an alum. A Hop campus outbreak would make national news.
This is not good.

Agree and it is why I don’t see it (the Jays season) happening. Hopkins can’t /won’t chance an outbreak on campus.

methinks with all the md's and phd's on campus, the process would dig a little deeper than "local sports team catches covid". starting with the how and why.

for sports teams and what's happened on other campuses. but it is 2020.

[51percentcorn]

I honestly don't think the lacrosse season will be cancelled because the administration would be embarrassed if COVID broke out on a campus with a long standing association to scientific excellence and a quoted source for COVID statistics. Hopefully, the administration is taking the view of what are the risks associated with playing - I assume the players would be bubble-lized - and the potential impacts in terms of student health - not whether some article or broadcast would go "How about that John Hopkins place (intentionally left off the "s")? Telling everybody how many people have the virus and now x number of students have it" Who cares about that? It is whether a kid gets really sick that is important.

Still think if the BIG plays - Hopkins will play and figure it out how to keep the players away from other students.

[flalax22]

I honestly don't think the lacrosse season will be cancelled because the administration would be embarrassed if COVID broke out on a campus with a long standing association to scientific excellence and a quoted source for COVID statistics. Hopefully, the administration is taking the view of what are the risks associated with playing - I assume the players would be bubble-lized - and the potential impacts in terms of student health - not whether some article or broadcast would go "How about that John Hopkins place (intentionally left off the "s")? Telling everybody how many people have the virus and now x number of students have it" Who cares about that? It is whether a kid gets really sick that is important.

Still think if the BIG plays - Hopkins will play and figure it out how to keep the players away from other students.

So you think the administration at Hopkins is planning a specific bubble for the lacrosse team. That is NOT happening now or ever at JHU. We as fans all think they are special. I don’t believe the administration shares the same view.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

How do you “bubblize” one sport and not all the others?

I’d say whatever process is deemed necessary, it will have to be applied uniformly across all sports having a season.

[jhu06]

-WOMBAT is right, it's not just about m lax. the womyn also (allegedly) have a team and then there's the centennial conference. Our b1g rivals will play and I'm sure the terms right now are being hashed out. For example w/ncaa football in the fall you had to have a certain number of long snappers, kickers, and qbs healthy for competitive reasons. Cost shouldn't be an issue for Hopkins given that they're shelling out a billion for a building in dc. Feel like the d3 schools will pass on sports for the spring. Most people think ursinus refers to ones nose anyway.
-not sure why the newsletter had to pull something or why a student newspaper would be an issue.
-you can't bubble 18-23 year olds for 6 months. This isn't a seinfeld episode.
-no one under 60 cares about cnn. The university has had 10 months to figure this out, they should be writing the textbook
-baltimore r word football team and hopkins athletes have nothing in common. None of our kids have been accused of murder or ray riced themselves off the roster.

[HopFan16]

the womyn also (allegedly) have a team

Your constant shots at the women's program are so lame. And not that it matters, but they were by far more competitive than their male counterparts in 2020. Could make the argument they were better in 2019 and certainly in 2016 as well. 2017 was probably about even. 2018 was the only year since the '15 FF run when you could say the men clearly had a more successful season than the women. That's one in the last five.

The school is still moving ahead with its return to campus plan for the spring. It's subject to change, as all things are, but they would not be going forward with it if there wasn't a realistic chance it could withstand the ongoing spike in cases nationwide. They know students are miserable and are trying to figure something out that doesn't jeopardize the greater Baltimore community. Yes, most students will probably be fine but if they then go out into the city and overrun Union Memorial and kill old Baltimoreans with Covid—THAT is the PR nightmare Hopkins wishes to avoid, a bad city or state outbreak that can be traced back to irresponsible students. I don't think they care much about the optics of students contracting the disease, which they know is inevitable if they return to campus, and basically admitted as much in a letter to alumni. The main thing that has me semi-optimistic that they will follow through with the plan is that by January, testing capabilities for students, faculty, and staff will be hugely expanded compared to what they were in August.

[Sagittarius A*]

San Francisco has instituted a contact sports ban.
Baltimore is next...

[jhu06]

-in 4 years I never saw a womens lacrosse player do anything on campus other than walk to econ classes in sweatpants and dirty pony tails. they play lacrosse, they show up in the library the week before finals, get jealous of the women chasing mens laxers-the only other people on campus they talk to, and they have names like muffy and mckenzie on a graduation stage.
-to me it's a question of the d3 sports playing or not. Not even attempting to play would destroy mens lax.

[HopFan16]

-in 4 years I never saw a womens lacrosse player do anything on campus other than walk to econ classes in sweatpants and dirty pony tails. they play lacrosse, they show up in the library the week before finals, get jealous of the women chasing mens laxers-the only other people on campus they talk to, and they have names like muffy and mckenzie on a graduation stage.
-to me it's a question of the d3 sports playing or not. Not even attempting to play would destroy mens lax.

Hahaha you're really doing the sweatpants thing again?? What women's lacrosse player wouldn't talk to you when you asked for directions to Levering in 2003? You sound wounded, on a deeply personal level. I'm sorry you've been traumatized by athleisure and common women's hairstyles but it's probably time to get over it.

Everything you claim about the women's team can be said about the men's team as well, except replace ponytails with "lettuce" and Mckenzie with Brett. Both programs have always existed in a relative bubble. I don't know if you've ever been on another college campus but it's like that in a lot of places.

[51percentcorn]

Let me clarify a couple points. First, I am assuming the DIII Centennial Conference will cancel spring sports - hasn't Swarthmore (a conference member) already opted out? So the only Hopkins sports up for grabs so to speak are the men's and women's BIG 10 conference lacrosse programs. If that is not the case - then I agree to Wombat's point that all involved sports teams will need the same solution.

I am not saying the administration would bubble-lize the lacrosse teams because the admin thinks they are special. They would do it for the following reasons: the lacrosse program has more cache and street cred with alumni than current students - this would appease the alumni upset if the BIG played and Hopkins did not. It would provide some limited social viability to the '21 Spring semester - Hopkins would have some games on streaming or TV. If the majority of Hopkins rivals played in '21 and Hopkins did not - it would significantly harm the program - which takes us back to point #1. They might be forced to sit out in '21 with little room at any other inn but you can be assured that marketable Hopkins players would look elsewhere as soon as possible and it would crush recruiting along with Junior and Jamo wondering what the H E double toothpicks did they sign up for. You can't build your resume if you can't work.

They would not have to bubble anyone for six months - more like 4 and a half. If all the other students are back - then the horse is really out of the barn - given that what 2/3rds or more of the students live off campus. If the semester goes virtual - than its easy - teams go in a dorm - they don't go off campus - price you pay for being a DI athlete. And alot better than the alternative.