All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[6ftstick]

Which do you prefer, 6ft, how we did against the bird flu or how we're doing against COVID?

Politics should have nothing to do with it.

Excuse me but the post I responded to suggested the writer had some expertise. Politicss had everything to do with that post

[MDlaxfan76]

Which do you prefer, 6ft, how we did against the bird flu or how we're doing against COVID?

Politics should have nothing to do with it.

Excuse me but the post I responded to suggested the writer had some expertise. Politicss had everything to do with that post

Republican (Bush) administration. Yes, he's an expert.
One of the very top such.

I probably should have said that partisan politics should have nothing to do with it.

Yes, he turned down a job in the Trump Admin because he felt they were too focused on the political ramifications, not actually in combatting the disease thoroughly.

It's a big vote of 'no confidence' in how decisions are being made in this Republican Administration. We're seeing it across Defense, State, IC, public health...they're all saying the same thing, decisions are getting made based on what Trump thinks helps him politically not what is actually best for the country.

[tech37]

Which do you prefer, 6ft, how we did against the bird flu or how we're doing against COVID?

Politics should have nothing to do with it.

Excuse me but the post I responded to suggested the writer had some expertise. Politicss had everything to do with that post

Republican administration. Yes, he's an expert.
One of the very top such.

You're fooling yourself...When it comes to Covid-19, there are no experts.

[MDlaxfan76]

Which do you prefer, 6ft, how we did against the bird flu or how we're doing against COVID?

Politics should have nothing to do with it.

Excuse me but the post I responded to suggested the writer had some expertise. Politicss had everything to do with that post

Republican administration. Yes, he's an expert.
One of the very top such.

You're fooling yourself...When it comes to Covid-19, there are no experts.

No, there are indeed experts in pandemics, in infectious diseases, in science...and then there are those who are deny this expertise. Numbskulls.

Of course, this is a 'novel' virus, so they are utilizing their expertise to learn as rapidly as they can the specific dynamics of it, while adjusting as fast as they can to what they learn. But their expertise is essential.

[tech37]

Which do you prefer, 6ft, how we did against the bird flu or how we're doing against COVID?

Politics should have nothing to do with it.

Excuse me but the post I responded to suggested the writer had some expertise. Politicss had everything to do with that post

Republican administration. Yes, he's an expert.
One of the very top such.

You're fooling yourself...When it comes to Covid-19, there are no experts.

No, there are indeed experts in pandemics, in infectious diseases, in science...and then there are those who are deny this expertise. Numbskulls.

Of course, this is a 'novel' virus, so they are utilizing their expertise to learn as rapidly as they can the specific dynamics of it, while adjusting as fast as they can to what they learn. But their expertise is essential.

"experts in pandemics"

Of course there are people who have expertise in certain areas, and as you well know from past posts, I'm counting on them to solve this. My point was, the learning curve for this one is off the charts, not only for the scientists but for every person involved in govt, business, education, etc.

[wgdsr]

So MD is doing good, so far, but is pushing it's #MasksOnMaryland program:

https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2020/06/as ... k-wearing/

“We’ve made great progress, but we need to remember we’re not out of the woods yet,” said Health Secretary Robert R. Neall in the department’s own statement. “All Marylanders must continue to exercise responsibility for themselves and each other by doing everything we can to slow the spread of COVID-19.”

The percentage of positive tests in Maryland reached a one-day low of 4.38%, while the rolling seven-day average is at 5.05%, Hogan said in his statement.

Currently, 511 Marylanders are in hospitals, the fewest in 83 days, he added.

...He pointed out that on Wednesday, the daily number of positive COVID-19 tests in the U.S. hit an all-time high.

doing good? i guess it's all relative. if maryland was spelled s-w-e-d-e-n they'd be getting roasted right now by the 4th estate and its minions.

in the short term, their official case numbers should be ok. especially as downee the ocean they don't allow out-of-staters to be tested. even if they're holing up there for the summer and own property.

not sure that helps the eventual infection rate, but if you don't test for it, you don't have it. right?

[kramerica.inc]

So MD is doing good, so far, but is pushing it's #MasksOnMaryland program:

https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2020/06/as ... k-wearing/

“We’ve made great progress, but we need to remember we’re not out of the woods yet,” said Health Secretary Robert R. Neall in the department’s own statement. “All Marylanders must continue to exercise responsibility for themselves and each other by doing everything we can to slow the spread of COVID-19.”

The percentage of positive tests in Maryland reached a one-day low of 4.38%, while the rolling seven-day average is at 5.05%, Hogan said in his statement.

Currently, 511 Marylanders are in hospitals, the fewest in 83 days, he added.

...He pointed out that on Wednesday, the daily number of positive COVID-19 tests in the U.S. hit an all-time high.

doing good? i guess it's all relative. if maryland was spelled s-w-e-d-e-n they'd be getting roasted right now by the 4th estate and its minions.

in the short term, their official case numbers should be ok. especially as downee the ocean they don't allow out-of-staters to be tested. even if they're holing up there for the summer and own property.

not sure that helps the eventual infection rate, but if you don't test for it, you don't have it. right?

Kinda. At least in the general public's minds.

As far as testing is concerned, I get the asymptomatic issues. But everyone I know that's gone to the DR/ER Patient First type of place with ANY type of regular cold/flu symptoms has been tested, in some cases multiple times. So I'd say the numbers have to be at least somewhat accurate as far as symptomatic people.

From a pure sociological POV, how should we be testing? What is the personal benefit? Wouldn't most people test if they were symptomatic? Why would you test if asymptomatic at this point? There is no proof or info about herd immunity or re-infection that would be beneficial in knowing, yet, that I am aware. No?

[wgdsr]

ocean city is not allowing symptomatic out of state residents to be tested.

it's been beach week for a month for untold numbers of hs and college kids, not to mention summer season, up and down the coasts. and not just in fla.

these transient areas all have their own playbook, but i wouldn't be surprised if the majority of them are running policy of "don't boost my state's numbers". pretty sure that's not the optimal one for controlling the spread.

[runrussellrun]

FEAR PORN gold right there....

.......anyone still alive that actually fought in WW2 is in their 90's. Late 90's.

Remember that awesome commencement speaker, and than the graduation party the next nite? Or going to LIVE AID concert, great cause, great time.

Yeah, my kids don't either. They experienced nothing this spring.

How many combat vets are even alive, in the USA, today? 495? Ten thousand? 22? HOW many?
FEAR PORN, it's like the Titanic captain being upset that no one cleaned the head in is quarters.......tens of millions of our nations young are suffering. boredom is the least of their problems. But the creaster (christmas and easter) faux concern for the elderly stuffed into nursing homes, with those rare, in person visits.......suddenly we care a lot.....Oh, I forgot about Thanksgiving.

.....stay at home measures sure worked for the nursing homes. of course, the alzeihermers residents of covid. Of course they did

btw.......any ASSisted living complexes being built anywhere?

Man up, it's the baby boomers that are scared.

[MDlaxfan76]

Which do you prefer, 6ft, how we did against the bird flu or how we're doing against COVID?

Politics should have nothing to do with it.

Excuse me but the post I responded to suggested the writer had some expertise. Politicss had everything to do with that post

Republican administration. Yes, he's an expert.
One of the very top such.

You're fooling yourself...When it comes to Covid-19, there are no experts.

No, there are indeed experts in pandemics, in infectious diseases, in science...and then there are those who are deny this expertise. Numbskulls.

Of course, this is a 'novel' virus, so they are utilizing their expertise to learn as rapidly as they can the specific dynamics of it, while adjusting as fast as they can to what they learn. But their expertise is essential.

"experts in pandemics"

Of course there are people who have expertise in certain areas, and as you well know from past posts, I'm counting on them to solve this. My point was, the learning curve for this one is off the charts, not only for the scientists but for every person involved in govt, business, education, etc.

Tru dat, steep learning curve indeed, but that's why it actually matters to have the folks who study and plan for such events be those who are listened to, not every tom dick and donald who thinks "I'm smarter than the Generals"...

Zerhouni is definitely one such to whom we should listen.

[kramerica.inc]

FEAR PORN gold right there....

.......anyone still alive that actually fought in WW2 is in their 90's. Late 90's.

Remember that awesome commencement speaker, and than the graduation party the next nite? Or going to LIVE AID concert, great cause, great time.

Yeah, my kids don't either. They experienced nothing this spring.

How many combat vets are even alive, in the USA, today? 495? Ten thousand? 22? HOW many?
FEAR PORN, it's like the Titanic captain being upset that no one cleaned the head in is quarters.......tens of millions of our nations young are suffering. boredom is the least of their problems. But the creaster (christmas and easter) faux concern for the elderly stuffed into nursing homes, with those rare, in person visits.......suddenly we care a lot.....Oh, I forgot about Thanksgiving.

.....stay at home measures sure worked for the nursing homes. of course, the alzeihermers residents of covid. Of course they did

btw.......any ASSisted living complexes being built anywhere?

Man up, it's the baby boomers that are scared.

Yup. That ad isn't directed at the greatest generation. It's aimed at their hippy kids who are self centered and entering all those assisted living homes now, sopping SS and MC dry.

[runrussellrun]

In 1988, New York State Department of Health Commissioner David Axelrod called the Love Canal incident a "national symbol of a failure to exercise a sense of concern for future generations"

"....just dump it there, it will be fine...."

I'm sorry, but WHO polluted our waterways and land? The greatest genz? They spent decades not giving two cares about the future, except for their instant gratification.

[runrussellrun]

Darwinism isn’t about caring or not caring like you posit. It’s caring enough to respect your choices and not pretending that life is fair.

Over the years scholars have drawn parallels between Darwinism and Hitlerianism. No surprise that right wing Republicans applaud both.

And that, imo,is idiotic.

Explain ...

Darwinism is the evolution of species due to small changes in inherited characteristics due to natural selection. Where minor changes in genotyes lead to small incremental changes in phenotye that lead to increased reproductive success.

This has nothing to do with the views Hitler and his ilk suscribed to. Their theories were on the lines of social Darwinism which was used to support thir master race bull sczhit.

Darwinism used in the original context of these posts was incorrect, imo.

Pretty sure that was what Brooklyn meant as well...the bastardization of "Darwinism" into some sort of embrace of Aryan racial superiority, 'survival of the fittest', etc...'social Darwinism' as scientifically based and thus justified.

Unfortunately, PB has no clue what he's even saying with "Darwinism isn’t about caring or not caring like you posit. It’s caring enough to respect your choices and not pretending that life is fair."

What I meant is I respect people enough to let them make their own choices, for better or worse. Many will choose unwisely...meth, masks, Dr. Pepper, fried okra, being a Democrat, etc. And if they croak early because of their bad choices, that's Darwinism; humanity gets smarter every day because of Darwinism. I'm good with anyone making bad choices; I'm also good with them making good choices. Who am I to tell anyone what to do?

This is not darwinism.

survival of the fittest is NOT Darwinism ? So many net movers...

[MDlaxfan76]

ocean city is not allowing symptomatic out of state residents to be tested.

it's been beach week for a month for untold numbers of hs and college kids, not to mention summer season, up and down the coasts. and not just in fla.

these transient areas all have their own playbook, but i wouldn't be surprised if the majority of them are running policy of "don't boost my state's numbers". pretty sure that's not the optimal one for controlling the spread.

Do you have a link that says that OC is actually not testing symptomatic out of state residents?
Not doubting you, but I hadn't seen that one. Certainly doesn't sound rational, unless to suppress the #, but even then, hard time believing they'd actually do that with a symptomatic case. Are they rationing testing in general to in-state? Not enough tests?

Asymptomatic cases I can see as being in no rush to test, though I think the answer there for Kram is that we need to test asymptomatic when contact tracing and we likely need to test a sample of asymptomatic just to know whether it's spreading and we need to be concerned...and react earlier than otherwise.

[kramerica.inc]

ocean city is not allowing symptomatic out of state residents to be tested.

it's been beach week for a month for untold numbers of hs and college kids, not to mention summer season, up and down the coasts. and not just in fla.

these transient areas all have their own playbook, but i wouldn't be surprised if the majority of them are running policy of "don't boost my state's numbers". pretty sure that's not the optimal one for controlling the spread.

Interesting. Delaware - Rehobeth Beach, just 20 minutes N. of OC is testing anyone and everyone that comes in.

Hogan has been doing a good job relative to Corona throughout, but his policy with OC has been very friendly, and even surprising since phase 1, as far as allowing them to open back up. Most were surprised he opened the boardwalk as soon as he did.
Cooking the books to keep those tourist dollars flowing?

[runrussellrun]

Anyone have stats on the economics/demographic of V-19 ?

For example, how many of the nursing homes deaths were on the tax payers dole? On medicare? You know, the poor.

Who is the richest person, under the age of 60, that has died from Covid? Any members of the giving pledge, even test positive? Who welcomed and embraced a felon/Milken???

[MDlaxfan76]

ocean city is not allowing symptomatic out of state residents to be tested.

it's been beach week for a month for untold numbers of hs and college kids, not to mention summer season, up and down the coasts. and not just in fla.

these transient areas all have their own playbook, but i wouldn't be surprised if the majority of them are running policy of "don't boost my state's numbers". pretty sure that's not the optimal one for controlling the spread.

Interesting. Delaware - Rehobeth Beach, just 20 minutes N. of OC is testing anyone and everyone that comes in.

Hogan has been doing a good job relative to Corona throughout, but his policy with OC has been very friendly, and even surprising since phase 1, as far as allowing them to open back up. Most were surprised he opened the boardwalk as soon as he did.
Cooking the books to keep those tourist dollars flowing?

As this is a lax forum, Dartmouth football and lacrosse player is Governor of Delaware...doing a good job.

[wgdsr]

ocean city is not allowing symptomatic out of state residents to be tested.

it's been beach week for a month for untold numbers of hs and college kids, not to mention summer season, up and down the coasts. and not just in fla.

these transient areas all have their own playbook, but i wouldn't be surprised if the majority of them are running policy of "don't boost my state's numbers". pretty sure that's not the optimal one for controlling the spread.

Interesting. Delaware - Rehobeth Beach, just 20 minutes N. of OC is testing anyone and everyone that comes in.

Hogan has been doing a good job relative to Corona throughout, but his policy with OC has been very friendly, and even surprising since phase 1, as far as allowing them to open back up. Most were surprised he opened the boardwalk as soon as he did.
Cooking the books to keep those tourist dollars flowing?

only 284 cases so far in worcester county so they're doing great!
most vacationers there are marylanders, but certainly not all. to the question re: public internet links... this is anecdotal info separately from 3 families i know.
2 own property there. they may have made more calls, or gone to delaware, etc. the mere fact that it happened at all, anywhere, is maybe a microcosm for where we are.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://apple.news/AH0OH63fsSpeXZ3yxdDTfeQ

[kramerica.inc]

As a homeowner there, Delaware was quite stringent for a while. Of course most of that stemmed from having some absurdly low number of ICU beds and pretty mediocre to poor medical facilities.

Beebe Clinics are not set up to handle much beyond some stitches or a common broken bone.

The quarantine for out of state visitors was legit. Troopers would follow out of state license plates to make sure they were not visiting commercial establishments. Beaches shut down until just recently.