All things CoronaVirus

[CU88]

Trump praised China and even sent them medical supplies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPVmloKuqYI

[runrussellrun]

politicians, aimless....clueless, NONE wearing PPE, when out in public. Two different rules. Worlds.

why the FRIGG was this event allowed to happen? Cops funerals are essential, but PoPoP's and nannies aren't . What the heck is going on in our country? If this doesnt' bother you, you are hopeless. Massachusettes BANNED gatherings of 25 people, or more. Laws don't apply to cops? got it.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/boston-pol ... 8/32195585

Wait a minute, police are treated differently??!!! What the hell!! When did that happen? Last week!!??

Pointing out the obvious......in this case.....is obvious. Another "healthy" cop, eh AFAN

I was going to tell you to call Willie Bennett.

He and I go way back.........for profit charter schools. Why do you worship these people?

When did Willie Bennet get involved with Charter Schools. You a big fan of “charter schools”?

You are getting paid, while typing comments all day long? Sounds essential.

Our country needs to talk a walk, alright. All of us. A walk in OTHER peoples shoes.

MDlax is defrosting the leg of lamb right now. Just checked the freezers in the garage, plenty of ribeye and veggies. organic of course.

Hope you don't like cold dairy products in your drinks.......they don't freeze so well. but, preppers like mdlax, got a basement full of that boxed milk. Way to go. No need to leave the house.......

[runrussellrun]

Trump praised China and even sent them medical supplies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPVmloKuqYI

I know, idiotic.

now what?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Trump praised China and even sent them medical supplies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPVmloKuqYI

I know, idiotic.

now what?

Now we are living with the consequences .....that's what..... I may have pressed duck today

[dislaxxic]

Let that sink in.

Sez the guy who has NO PROBLEM with ANYthing Turkey Waddle McConnell does or says...pretty funny.

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[cradleandshoot]

Let that sink in.

Sez the guy who has NO PROBLEM with ANYthing Turkey Waddle McConnell does or says...pretty funny.

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Turkey waddle? So as a die hard FLP type of guy you insult a person based on his personal appearance? So if I say there ain't a support bra strong enough to support Nancy's sagging boobies is that a mean spirited thing to say? Do we face the sad reality that some old guys start to look like turkeys and that some old ladies will start tripping over them saggy old boobies?

[6ftstick]

Let that sink in.

Sez the guy who has NO PROBLEM with ANYthing Turkey Waddle McConnell does or says...pretty funny.

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Turkey waddle? So as a die hard FLP type of guy you insult a person based on his personal appearance? So if I say there ain't a support bra strong enough to support Nancy's sagging boobies is that a mean spirited thing to say? Do we face the sad reality that some old guys start to look like turkeys and that some old ladies will start tripping over them saggy old boobies?

Notice dixlixit doesn't have a response to the substance of the post.

[CU88]

Trump praised China and even sent them medical supplies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPVmloKuqYI

I know, idiotic.

now what?

COVID-19 Response
Pandemic Resilience Roadmap
April 20, 2020:

Our COVID-19 Response Initiative, a bipartisan group of experts in economics, public health, technology and ethics from across the country, has released the nation’s first comprehensive operational roadmap for mobilizing and reopening the U.S. economy in the midst of the COVID-19 crisis.

https://ethics.harvard.edu/files/center ... 0.20_0.pdf

[dislaxxic]

Commenter doesn't seem to comprehend that the House has no mechanism for voting unless in person...doesn't seem to comprehend that maybe, just MAYBE the House is heeding the warnings of ACTUAL geniuses that say that being in proximity to a ton of untested (who's fault is THAT?) people: members, staff, support, etc...is not a superb idea. Commenter has very little of actual substance to contribute, other than letting us all see the dark underbelly of the hardcore Trumpist nitwits that do nothing but complain in a very Tweety manner...

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[cradleandshoot]

Commenter doesn't seem to comprehend that the House has no mechanism for voting unless in person...doesn't seem to comprehend that maybe, just MAYBE the House is heeding the warnings of ACTUAL geniuses that say that being in proximity to a ton of untested (who's fault is THAT?) people: members, staff, support, etc...is not a superb idea. Commenter has very little of actual substance to contribute, other than letting us all see the dark underbelly of the hardcore Trumpist nitwits that do nothing but complain in a very Tweety manner...

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" Commenter has very little of actual substance to contribute"

Taken out of context Dis but it is soooooooooooooooooooo you.

[wgdsr]

Commenter doesn't seem to comprehend that the House has no mechanism for voting unless in person...doesn't seem to comprehend that maybe, just MAYBE the House is heeding the warnings of ACTUAL geniuses that say that being in proximity to a ton of untested (who's fault is THAT?) people: members, staff, support, etc...is not a superb idea. Commenter has very little of actual substance to contribute, other than letting us all see the dark underbelly of the hardcore Trumpist nitwits that do nothing but complain in a very Tweety manner...

not true. folks got in line for all the tests available in the district in early april:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJLcqt3TZnA

all these folks in nyc were headed back home from their tests:
https://people.com/travel/central-park- ... rs-in-nyc/
with mta cutting back on train schedules, our first responders got the opportunity to be more efficient on their way to support hospitals, essential services and testing on march 30:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... -car-real/

[youthathletics]

They’ve tested a wide sample including asymptomatic subjects. We’re still wiping our ass with rocks.

Total test south Korea 559K as of 4/19

Total US tests 2.688.766 million as of 4/12

SK had only 10661 cases as of that date.

Current test number for US about 3.6 million, and 788,000 cases. Factor of more than 10 in number of cases - and about 6 in testing. And since we are still not testing enough - no one knows the actual case count in the US.

NYT on 4/17 published an article saying the experts think we need to triple our daily capacity for testing...

This massive early testing everyone complains about really makes little sense, why? because we would have completely wiped out our PPE stock pile in a very short time, then been left with very little for those that need it to treat sick people. There HAD to be a slow roll out, in order to stock pile PPE.

HUH?

No, we needed to keep the cases low, the infections suppressed so that we didn't have health systems overwhelmed. Including use of PPE.

But of course we also needed to do emergency runs of PPE in parallel.

And that is exactly why they wanted people to stay home with symptoms and to call their doctor to discuss IF they needed a test....they needed to build the stockpile of PPE and keep sick people off the streets.

You are glossing over the point. We all saw the mad dash and damned near depletion of PPE for hospitals early on. Which is why we had to have multiple vendors ramp up production of PPE....hell, we even had to ask China to ship us stuff. Our company has had an order for 12k 95 masks for over 3 and 1/2 weeks.....still not here....even just surgical masks have been on 2-3 backorder.

If you are a nurse or a dr in a hospital and you have a line out the door for tests, then in the middle of testing you run out of PPE, with that line still out there door, who takes care of those that are sick? Who takes cares of those already admitted or those that need admitted when you are out of PPE?

You don't send a soldier into battle with 2 bullets and 10 guns.

Best dog gone post on this subject in quite awhile. My wife has had 2 patients with suspected COVID symptoms. In both patients, even in a class A trauma center it took 48 hours to get a negative result. Just keep right on testing, testing, testing, testing, testing. Unless your doctor tells you you should be tested, and your not having trouble breathing... STAY HOME AND GET WELL.

Agreed cradle and as discussed yesterday, this MSNBC article eludes to the same issue, which is.... PPE has always been the driving factor. Stay the Eff home if sick.

2 bullets, 10 guns.

We’re beyond angered’: Fed up nurses file lawsuits, plan protest at White House over lack of coronavirus protections
The complaints, which were lodged by New York’s largest nurses union, allege that inadequate protective equipment, among other failures, contributed to “compromising the health and safety of the nurses,” according to a news release from the union.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Commenter doesn't seem to comprehend that the House has no mechanism for voting unless in person...doesn't seem to comprehend that maybe, just MAYBE the House is heeding the warnings of ACTUAL geniuses that say that being in proximity to a ton of untested (who's fault is THAT?) people: members, staff, support, etc...is not a superb idea. Commenter has very little of actual substance to contribute, other than letting us all see the dark underbelly of the hardcore Trumpist nitwits that do nothing but complain in a very Tweety manner...

not true. folks got in line for all the tests available in the district in early april:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJLcqt3TZnA

all these folks in nyc were headed back home from their tests:
https://people.com/travel/central-park- ... rs-in-nyc/
with mta cutting back on train schedules, our first responders got the opportunity to be more efficient on their way to support hospitals, essential services and testing on march 30:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... -car-real/

Probably explains why the disease is not falling off as quickly. Hubris.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26691346/

Fighting viruses is not an easy task. Hard choices have to be made.

http://polioeradication.org/news-post/p ... d-heymann/

Our government was slow to react. Propping up the economy to enhance a presidential campaign let the game get away from us. If this had been the guy’s second term, the decision tree would have been different. We could have done this early on....it’s called nipping it in the bud

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... w-rochelle

Ground that has been covered.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_va ... on#History

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/23/asia ... index.html

Some good history ( before COVID 19 so don’t dismiss it as a hoax)

[foreverlax]

I was simply struck by the 15K when we're now over 40k.

hmmmm......"struck"....as in, now, you may be scratching your head a little?

Did the Michigan governor BAN hunting and fishing in Michigan? yup? protests about THAT, or would you be struck to learn that, YES, the folks protesting in Michigan just want to take their 5 year old daughter fishing, like she's been wanting to do, all winter.

BUT....NO....we control you. We control the fear porn.

struck .....it's called, WAKE the F up

guessing, your fridge looks a lot like Nancy Pelosis'........lots of expensive icecream. Have a nice day, locked indoors. As you claim. Haven't been outside the house in weeks. Sleeping in bed, alone. No one around.....Social distancing....it's insanity

Hogan shut recreational fishing down as well. I talked at length with a DNR cop....by not having to respond to accidents or incidents, it allows them to focus on the task at hand.

Small price to pay.

[CU88]

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-g ... -a-fantasy




And we're in the clinical trials now. And those are going to take probably at least a couple more months, depending on how many people get enrolled in the trials and how they go.

Most of the medicines we know something about tend to help people who are already hospitalized and in trouble, rather than being something that you could pop and take as a pill, like you can the PrEP for HIV.

So we're not — I mean, there's been information from the White House that the hydroxychloroquine will work as a preventative. Nobody really thinks that. It might help people who are likely to crash, because it's an immune system suppressant, but it's not an antiviral.

And most of the antivirals we know about are — they're not Lazarus drugs. They don't save you. We're not seeing anything like that, the way antibiotics used to make people come back from near death.

So, it may be a long time before we have a pill that's prophylactic. And then, again, we have to make 300 million doses per day, make it as ubiquitous as aspirin. So that will take a while too.

[dislaxxic]

Commenter doesn't seem to comprehend that the House has no mechanism for voting unless in person...doesn't seem to comprehend that maybe, just MAYBE the House is heeding the warnings of ACTUAL geniuses that say that being in proximity to a ton of untested (who's fault is THAT?) people: members, staff, support, etc...is not a superb idea. Commenter has very little of actual substance to contribute, other than letting us all see the dark underbelly of the hardcore Trumpist nitwits that do nothing but complain in a very Tweety manner...

not true. folks got in line for all the tests available in the district in early april:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJLcqt3TZnA

all these folks in nyc were headed back home from their tests:
https://people.com/travel/central-park- ... rs-in-nyc/
with mta cutting back on train schedules, our first responders got the opportunity to be more efficient on their way to support hospitals, essential services and testing on march 30:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... -car-real/

Talking about why CONGRESS is not in town at this point, to "vote in person", wgdsr. The way to change the "vote in person" rules for the Congress requires bipartisan approvals and seems unlikely to happen...

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[Typical Lax Dad]

Commenter doesn't seem to comprehend that the House has no mechanism for voting unless in person...doesn't seem to comprehend that maybe, just MAYBE the House is heeding the warnings of ACTUAL geniuses that say that being in proximity to a ton of untested (who's fault is THAT?) people: members, staff, support, etc...is not a superb idea. Commenter has very little of actual substance to contribute, other than letting us all see the dark underbelly of the hardcore Trumpist nitwits that do nothing but complain in a very Tweety manner...

not true. folks got in line for all the tests available in the district in early april:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJLcqt3TZnA

all these folks in nyc were headed back home from their tests:
https://people.com/travel/central-park- ... rs-in-nyc/
with mta cutting back on train schedules, our first responders got the opportunity to be more efficient on their way to support hospitals, essential services and testing on march 30:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... -car-real/

Talking about why CONGRESS is not in town at this point, to "vote in person", wgdsr. The way to change the "vote in person" rules for the Congress requires bipartisan approvals and seems unlikely to happen...

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/ ... 05922.html

But you can get a hair cut, your nails done, a massage, and then go bowling in Georgia (the state).

[wgdsr]

Commenter doesn't seem to comprehend that the House has no mechanism for voting unless in person...doesn't seem to comprehend that maybe, just MAYBE the House is heeding the warnings of ACTUAL geniuses that say that being in proximity to a ton of untested (who's fault is THAT?) people: members, staff, support, etc...is not a superb idea. Commenter has very little of actual substance to contribute, other than letting us all see the dark underbelly of the hardcore Trumpist nitwits that do nothing but complain in a very Tweety manner...

not true. folks got in line for all the tests available in the district in early april:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJLcqt3TZnA

all these folks in nyc were headed back home from their tests:
https://people.com/travel/central-park- ... rs-in-nyc/
with mta cutting back on train schedules, our first responders got the opportunity to be more efficient on their way to support hospitals, essential services and testing on march 30:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... -car-real/

Talking about why CONGRESS is not in town at this point, to "vote in person", wgdsr. The way to change the "vote in person" rules for the Congress requires bipartisan approvals and seems unlikely to happen...

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i understood what you meant. or maybe i didn't for the part i responded on (bolded in original quote):
"that being in proximity to a ton of untested (who's fault is THAT?) people:"

what did you mean by that part? the underlined part?

[ggait]

Update on Sweden's experiment with SD lite: elementary schools stay open; HS and colleges closed; shops, bars and restaurants stay open; other SD measures being followed (on a voluntary basis but the Swedes are mostly following the suggestions). So maybe kind of like what a partial re-opening here in the US might look like. Deaths per million pop:

UK 255, Sweden 175, US 132, Denmark 64, Germany 59, Norway 34, Iceland 29, Finland 25.

Sweden's death numbers keep getting worse and worse relative to its Nordic peer countries. Sweden had been about 1.5X Denamrk, now they are closing in on 3X. But they are staying the course. Since the genie has been out of the bottle for weeks, there's probably no logic to locking up tighter at this point.

TBD if they get to herd immunity faster. TBD if their economy will be materially less damaged.

Interview from the head Swedish Covid guy below.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01098-x