All things CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

Anyone care to retract blaming Trump on the Test kit delay?

Contamination at CDC lab delayed rollout of coronavirus tests
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/conta ... r-BB12Q90W

But back to 'blaming Trump' right now for his actions right now...there's messaging coming out that there's adequate capacity to open the country...not remotely true in terms of throughput even for all those who present symptoms. Much less contact tracing.

And taking no responsibility.

This is why we have a federal government. To take on the national and international challenges as one nation.

Easy for you to say...I'm certain with all of the people now out of work and scared sh*tless, you are well in the minority with your opinion.

"To take on the national and international challenges as one nation."

Unfortunately, this is a pipe dream. We're a very divided nation. Trump and his peops can't win for losing as usual. If he leaves the decisions to the state govs, he's "taking no responsibility." If he states it's his decision to make, he's being unconstitutional, and the authoritative strongman.

Just do his job.

Bill Bellicheat yells that, all the time.

Only difference is, he's yelling it, knowing FULL well, that they know what that job is ?

decades, and billions of dollars later, we are supposed to have a game plan in action. Grant after useless grant. Report, after useless report.

YOu think Bill Bellicheat is handing his new quarterback a "playbook", like the recommendations from Event 201, organized by Hopkins ? or, that pathetic 69 page junk, garbage report from the "fired" (LIE ) pandemic committee. Read them.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org ... tions.html

Just do his job?

I agree. Would it help, to have a job "description"? With, possibly, step by step, procedures.

Be specific. Any fool can yell, "do your job".

What should tRump, or ANY POTUSA, be doing right now?

The Presidency is a new position. We will figure out how it works as President Trump experiences it.

[MDlaxfan76]

Anyone care to retract blaming Trump on the Test kit delay?

Contamination at CDC lab delayed rollout of coronavirus tests
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/conta ... r-BB12Q90W

But back to 'blaming Trump' right now for his actions right now...there's messaging coming out that there's adequate capacity to open the country...not remotely true in terms of throughput even for all those who present symptoms. Much less contact tracing.

And taking no responsibility.

This is why we have a federal government. To take on the national and international challenges as one nation.

Easy for you to say...I'm certain with all of the people now out of work and scared sh*tless, you are well in the minority with your opinion.

"To take on the national and international challenges as one nation."

Unfortunately, this is a pipe dream. We're a very divided nation. Trump and his peops can't win for losing as usual. If he leaves the decisions to the state govs, he's "taking no responsibility." If he states it's his decision to make, he's being unconstitutional, and the authoritative strongman.

No, we do all sorts of things as a nation, not as states.

This not about claims of power, but rather effectively exercising the powers and capacities which the federal government has, not usurping the powers that states have.

Trump, unfortunately, has used his powers immensely poorly. Which is not to say that there aren't others in both the Administration and Congress who are working very, very hard to do what they can to improve the situation.

But Trump has enormous influence over these decisions and priorities.

Including the tone that is so divisive. He chooses to be a divider.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Anyone care to retract blaming Trump on the Test kit delay?

Contamination at CDC lab delayed rollout of coronavirus tests
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/conta ... r-BB12Q90W

But back to 'blaming Trump' right now for his actions right now...there's messaging coming out that there's adequate capacity to open the country...not remotely true in terms of throughput even for all those who present symptoms. Much less contact tracing.

And taking no responsibility.

This is why we have a federal government. To take on the national and international challenges as one nation.

Easy for you to say...I'm certain with all of the people now out of work and scared sh*tless, you are well in the minority with your opinion.

"To take on the national and international challenges as one nation."

Unfortunately, this is a pipe dream. We're a very divided nation. Trump and his peops can't win for losing as usual. If he leaves the decisions to the state govs, he's "taking no responsibility." If he states it's his decision to make, he's being unconstitutional, and the authoritative strongman.

No, we do all sorts of things as a nation, not as states.

This not about claims of power, but rather effectively exercising the powers and capacities which the federal government has, not usurping the powers that states have.

Trump, unfortunately, has used his powers immensely poorly. Which is not to say that there aren't others in both the Administration and Congress who are working very, very hard to do what they can to improve the situation.

But Trump has enormous influence over these decisions and priorities.

Including the tone that is so divisive. He chooses to be a divider.

# Liberate The White House

[tech37]

Anyone care to retract blaming Trump on the Test kit delay?

Contamination at CDC lab delayed rollout of coronavirus tests
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/conta ... r-BB12Q90W

But back to 'blaming Trump' right now for his actions right now...there's messaging coming out that there's adequate capacity to open the country...not remotely true in terms of throughput even for all those who present symptoms. Much less contact tracing.

And taking no responsibility.

This is why we have a federal government. To take on the national and international challenges as one nation.

Easy for you to say...I'm certain with all of the people now out of work and scared sh*tless, you are well in the minority with your opinion.

"To take on the national and international challenges as one nation."

Unfortunately, this is a pipe dream. We're a very divided nation. Trump and his peops can't win for losing as usual. If he leaves the decisions to the state govs, he's "taking no responsibility." If he states it's his decision to make, he's being unconstitutional, and the authoritative strongman.

No, we do all sorts of things as a nation, not as states.

This not about claims of power, but rather effectively exercising the powers and capacities which the federal government has, not usurping the powers that states have.

Trump, unfortunately, has used his powers immensely poorly. Which is not to say that there aren't others in both the Administration and Congress who are working very, very hard to do what they can to improve the situation.

But Trump has enormous influence over these decisions and priorities.

Including the tone that is so divisive. He chooses to be a divider.

Oh brother...

"Which is not to say that there aren't others in both the Administration and Congress who are working very, very hard to do what they can to improve the situation."

Which pales in comparison to those in Congress, et al, who are working very, very hard to usurp/sabotage the presidency at every turn.

Trump did not set the "tone," he reacts to it...often to his own detriment unfortunately.

back to the virus...

[MDlaxfan76]

Anyone care to retract blaming Trump on the Test kit delay?

Contamination at CDC lab delayed rollout of coronavirus tests
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/conta ... r-BB12Q90W

But back to 'blaming Trump' right now for his actions right now...there's messaging coming out that there's adequate capacity to open the country...not remotely true in terms of throughput even for all those who present symptoms. Much less contact tracing.

And taking no responsibility.

This is why we have a federal government. To take on the national and international challenges as one nation.

Easy for you to say...I'm certain with all of the people now out of work and scared sh*tless, you are well in the minority with your opinion.

"To take on the national and international challenges as one nation."

Unfortunately, this is a pipe dream. We're a very divided nation. Trump and his peops can't win for losing as usual. If he leaves the decisions to the state govs, he's "taking no responsibility." If he states it's his decision to make, he's being unconstitutional, and the authoritative strongman.

No, we do all sorts of things as a nation, not as states.

This not about claims of power, but rather effectively exercising the powers and capacities which the federal government has, not usurping the powers that states have.

Trump, unfortunately, has used his powers immensely poorly. Which is not to say that there aren't others in both the Administration and Congress who are working very, very hard to do what they can to improve the situation.

But Trump has enormous influence over these decisions and priorities.

Including the tone that is so divisive. He chooses to be a divider.

Oh brother...

"Which is not to say that there aren't others in both the Administration and Congress who are working very, very hard to do what they can to improve the situation."

Which pales in comparison to those in Congress, et al, who are working very, very hard to usurp/sabotage the presidency at every turn.

Trump did not set the "tone," he reacts to it...often to his own detriment unfortunately.

back to the virus...

[Trinity]

Trump’s best bro Piers Morgan just smoked him on CNN. Blamed Boris and Trump for fumbling this historic threat, leaving Britain and America far worse off than even Italy. He’s begging them to fight the virus, not everyone else.

[youthathletics]

TDS guys on every news article....

[kramerica.inc]

Don’t let facts change a good narrative.



There are lots of off base comments on here from the TDS crowd that Trump “Wasted a Month.” Here is an entertaining clip that gives some perspective and context on what was actually happening in Congress (and the US) in Feb:

[njbill]

Anyone care to retract blaming Trump on the Test kit delay...and guess what it's not a fox news link, going to have to go to plan b or c this time?

Contamination at CDC lab delayed rollout of coronavirus tests
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/conta ... r-BB12Q90W

#OrangeManNotBad

And the CDC is part of what federal department? And who is ultimately in charge of that department?

Oh, wait. I forgot. The buck stops here when someone in government does something positive, like killing al-Baghdadi, but the buck stops over there when something goes wrong.

[RedFromMI]

Anyone care to retract blaming Trump on the Test kit delay...and guess what it's not a fox news link, going to have to go to plan b or c this time?

Contamination at CDC lab delayed rollout of coronavirus tests
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/conta ... r-BB12Q90W

#OrangeManNotBad

And the CDC is part of what federal department? And who is ultimately in charge of that department?

Oh, wait. I forgot. The buck stops here when someone in government does something positive, like killing al-Baghdadi, but the buck stops over there when something goes wrong.

I mean it is not like the Trump administration was trying to remove scientists or reduce the size of the CDC or anything like that before the crisis.

[RedFromMI]

Americans at World Health Organization transmitted real-time information about coronavirus to Trump administration

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html

More than a dozen U.S. researchers, physicians and public health experts, many of them from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were working full time at the Geneva headquarters of the World Health Organization as the novel coronavirus emerged late last year and transmitted real-time information about its discovery and spread in China to the Trump administration, according to U.S. and international officials.

A number of CDC staffers are regularly detailed to work at WHO in Geneva as part of a rotation that has operated for years. Senior Trump-appointed health officials also consulted regularly at the highest levels with the WHO as the crisis unfolded, the officials said.

The presence of so many U.S. officials undercuts President Trump’s charge that the WHO’s failure to communicate the extent of the threat, born of a desire to protect China, is largely responsible for the rapid spread of the virus in the United States.

The administration has also sharply criticized the Chinese government for withholding information.

But the president, who often touts a personal relationship with Chinese President Xi Jinping and is reluctant to inflict damage on a trade deal with Beijing, appears to see the WHO as a more defenseless target.

Good article explaining what WHO generally did, and what they can and cannot be held responsible for...

[runrussellrun]

Don’t let facts change a good narrative.



There are lots of off base comments on here from the TDS crowd that Trump “Wasted a Month.” Here is an entertaining clip that gives some perspective and context on what was actually happening in Congress (and the US) in Feb:

Crenshaw has lots to learn.......sounds mostly jingoistic foolish ....all of the time.

Listed to a podcast with him on it: For petes sakes.....this member of Congress didn't even know what age medicare kick's in.

Big Killing machine industry suck up too........

[a fan]

people are dying as it is. It is hard to know for sure whether we are really saving any lives.It might well be that the choice saves some lives, while others will die from it.

Yep. It's hard to know. Welcome to science.

First responders are mostly young and in good health and unlikely to succumb from the disease

All the healthy dead NYPD cops and doctors would disagree with your cavalier assessment. But who cares about them, right? "It's not me", right?

I love how this works for you people. So let me see if I have your selfishness straight here: YOU want to have the choice to go wherever you wish because your freedom is important.

Yet first responders, of course, don't get the freedom you take for granted. What do they get? They get to deal with the consequences of YOUR choices, not matter how reckless. So....freedom for you to do what you want to do.....but F the first responders who have no choice but to treat you when you show up with this thing. And then they wind up getting this thing.

Gee, I wonder which group I'm going to choose to support? The selfless people who want to help their fellow citizens and are putting their lives at risk to do so, or the guy who's livid because he can't visit a relative for a month or two. Boy. That's a really tough call.

Are we? A lot of people are saying it will be a lot longer.

Iowa has no restrictions at all from the .gov. Have a look at how they're doing. I'm trying to tell you that the free market is going to be far more restrictive than the .gov. You don't want to hear it because you want someone to blame for this.

So even though the .gov says you can visit a elderly care home.....it's not unlikely that they'll still have their own lockdown procedures. Or, as I tried to wager with Pete Brown....that the NBA players and/or owners may be unwilling to play even though the .gov says they can play.

sermon from the guy who works in a distillery. I had a cousin who died from alcoholism, and then there are all those who end up dead on the roadways from drunk drivers.

Look, if you're going to try some weak ad hominem attack, at least make sense when you do it.

You're LIVID that the .gov it taking away your free choice, to the point where you want your freedom so bad, you're willing to let doctors and nurses die....and yet you want me to believe that you think a distillery is in any way responsible for someone's FREE CHOICE to drink and get in a car? Please. You don't believe that. If you did? You would WANT the .gov to take your free choice away during this pandemic.

Come on. I know you're frustrated. We all are. But in a matter of days, governors are going release restrictions. Then, barring a vaccine, you'll have to find someone else to blame for the free market deciding how to operate their businesses and manage their assets.

[kramerica.inc]

Don’t let facts change a good narrative.



There are lots of off base comments on here from the TDS crowd that Trump “Wasted a Month.” Here is an entertaining clip that gives some perspective and context on what was actually happening in Congress (and the US) in Feb:

Crenshaw has lots to learn.......sounds mostly jingoistic foolish ....all of the time.

Listed to a podcast with him on it: For petes sakes.....this member of Congress didn't even know what age medicare kick's in.

Big Killing machine industry suck up too........

Well then that means he obviously wrong about everything else he ever says and in this case too.

Regardless what the facts are.

Sorry for wasting your time.

[Cooter]

First responders are mostly young and in good health and unlikely to succumb from the disease

All the healthy dead NYPD cops and doctors would disagree with your cavalier assessment. But who cares about them, right? "It's not me", right?

I notice that you cut off the 2nd line of my quote from the above, that is,
"I believe that most of us will end up having to deal with coronavirus"

How many NYPD cops or ambulance drivers have died from coronavirus?

You seem to be the one who is "LIVID"?
I'm just unhappy.

[a fan]

First responders are mostly young and in good health and unlikely to succumb from the disease

All the healthy dead NYPD cops and doctors would disagree with your cavalier assessment. But who cares about them, right? "It's not me", right?

I notice that you cut off the 2nd line of my quote from the above, that is,
"I believe that most of us will end up having to deal with coronavirus"

How many NYPD cops or ambulance drivers have died from coronavirus?

As of four days ago? 27 NYPD deaths. Don't have a number for EMT. Last I saw a few weeks ago, 150+ NYC EMT's were pulled off the line with COVID.

I'm not livid in the least. I'm calmly explaining to you what's going on, and trying to tell you that the .gov will be less restrictive than private industry.

[runrussellrun]

people are dying as it is. It is hard to know for sure whether we are really saving any lives.It might well be that the choice saves some lives, while others will die from it.

Yep. It's hard to know. Welcome to science.

First responders are mostly young and in good health and unlikely to succumb from the disease

All the healthy dead NYPD cops and doctors would disagree with your cavalier assessment. But who cares about them, right? "It's not me", right?

the free market deciding how to operate their businesses and manage their assets.

You promised NOT to do this.

The research I have done, regarding the dead NY cop.......diabetes, hypertension.....obese.

I can provide a source. How about YOUR claim, that a healthy cop died......HEALTHY......we will wait and wait. and wait.

that is the challenge, AFAN

You made a claim that HEALTHY people are dying, Docs & Cops. Prove it.

Just STOP with the fear porn lies. It is a LIE that healthy cops are dying.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/nypd-dete ... ronavirus/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/28/us/nypd- ... index.html

[a fan]

You promised NOT to do this.

The research I have done, regarding the dead NY cop.......diabetes, hypertension.....obese.

I can provide a source. How about YOUR claim, that a healthy cop died......HEALTHY......we will wait and wait. and wait.

That's like saying that someone who died because they were shot in the head didn't count as dying from a bullet to the head "because they were fat, and they would have died anyways".

Healthy as in: if they didn't get the Coronavirus, they wouldn't be freaking dead. Why are you so desperate to pretend that this virus isn't killing people?


In any event, from the exact same source you just cited yourself, the NYPost.....which means YOU think the source is solid.

22 NYPD dead. And that was eight days ago.



https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/nypd-lose ... ronavirus/

[old salt]

If they were brown people you wouldn't hear a peep out of MDlax. He's a champion all right, champion of identity politics.

not sure where you get that from, but sure, I do think that folks have some legit beefs based on how more dominant parts of society have treated them.

You want to call that "identity politics", I'd just call it keeping it real.

But the comment about the 'idiots' in these protests weren't about any sort of racial identity politics if that's your concern...unless you see that in the Confederate flag stuff? I guess I'd agree with you that those particular protestors probably fit into the 'idiot' category. Same for the 'idiots' carrying the assault weapons.

Point is...if anyone who you consider a Trumpist ( ) had questioned protester's intelligence as you did, and the protesters were non-white, you'd be claiming "racism" on here.

really?

Or are you saying that if someone said because they were non-white they were idiots?
Or called them idiots while waving the confederate flag perhaps?

This isn't rocket science.
Be racist and we'll know it.

Just be an idiot, whatever color, and we can know that too.

Does waving a rebel flag make a person an idiot? Does waving a BLM flag make somebody anti cop? Does waving a don't tread on me flag make someone a racist? Does waving a Betsy Ross flag also make you a racist? In America who should care what kind of flag you want to wave? The last time I checked we were all free to wave whatever flag we want. Hell if you choose to do so you can burn old glory in the street and in the eyes of some folks, that makes you a true American patriot. Any of you geniuses out there that can figure this entire mess out please advice as to what the solution is. That is what freedom means. When our government starts deciding what are good flags or bad flags this country is sliding down one very slippery slope that will not end well.

We quite agree that we have the freedom to be whatever sort of 'idiot' we prefer.

I certainly wasn't suggesting that the government or even a POTUS should be telling us what flags we should salute, which we should not.

But, yeah, if you choose to fly the Confederate battle flag I'll certainly understand that you're giving the finger to the descendants of slaves. But, hey, you might have some other intent and just be too stupid to realize the offense you are giving? Possible.

Pretty sure you'd know what flying a swastika flag meant to express, too.

On BLM, some may well intend to be offensive to police, but lots do not mean it the way those using the Confederate flag intend. They do all want less police violence disproportionate based on ethnicity. So do lots of police, btw.

The Betsy Ross flag, as we discussed, has been a recent appropriation by those wanting to send a racist message. But your having it clearly had no such meaning.

I'm strongly opposed to burning the US flag, but you and I would agree that the government shouldn't get involved.

You know what MD, this may not make sense, i am not sure there is a new generation of young folks that do understand the symbolism behind the rebel flag. How could they possibly understand when way too few of them have ever heard of a place called Gettysburg? Without that knowledge in hand they can never possibly understand the context of the discussion.

It's part of a calculated campaign to stigmatize everything about the Confederacy, deny memorializing anyone who perished on it's behalf, & erase it from our history, as the Germans have done with Nazism. When you visit Germany & tour the history & art museums, it's as if those decades do not exist. It's a historical blind spot when a PC culture is not able to honestly confront it's past -- warts & all.

[RedFromMI]

people are dying as it is. It is hard to know for sure whether we are really saving any lives.It might well be that the choice saves some lives, while others will die from it.

Yep. It's hard to know. Welcome to science.

First responders are mostly young and in good health and unlikely to succumb from the disease

All the healthy dead NYPD cops and doctors would disagree with your cavalier assessment. But who cares about them, right? "It's not me", right?

the free market deciding how to operate their businesses and manage their assets.

You promised NOT to do this.

The research I have done, regarding the dead NY cop.......diabetes, hypertension.....obese.

I can provide a source. How about YOUR claim, that a healthy cop died......HEALTHY......we will wait and wait. and wait.

that is the challenge, AFAN

You made a claim that HEALTHY people are dying, Docs & Cops. Prove it.

Just STOP with the fear porn lies. It is a LIE that healthy cops are dying.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/nypd-dete ... ronavirus/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/28/us/nypd- ... index.html

Cannot give you a statistic on NYPD deaths (near 30 as of today - your refs are from the beginning of the ramp up of cases).

But young people die. Some without health conditions (and the links below explain this):

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... oronavirus

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... viral-load