tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:34 am
I can't speak for youth but here's what you continue to miss a fan. You have a bad habit of lumping very different issues together in an effort to make a point, in this case, your idea of what constitutes whining and hypocrisy.
From the start I have always asked for equal scrutiny regarding investigations, especially when a POTUS (any POTUS) is being framed by political enemies and the MSM... so if you want to call that "whining," go for it
Is this the part where you're going to pretend to engage, and then the instant i dismantle your assertions, you claim "vortex", and run away? Steak dinner says yes. But let's pretend you actually want to discuss this for a moment.
1. Being framed by political enemies? The FBI investigated Trump and was about to clear him of any illegalities. In what world is that "framing"? This is a FoxNation talking point. You're not thinking independently here. There was no framing. Framing means that the FBI planted evidence, helped prosecutors find Trump guilty of things he didn't do. That's not even CLOSE to what happened. Nice fantasy story, though.
2. You're ignoring all the lying Trump and his crew did, and acting like the FBI should have ignored that and closed the investigation immediately. In what world does that make sense?
3. You're ignoring all the felonies Trump's crew have committed. Some of them are sitting in jail. Now if you're the FBI...and you keep seeing all this lying and law breaking, what would you do? What you and FoxNation seem to think is, they were supposed to ignore all that and stop investigating. This is flat out stupid.
4. You're also ignoring, and we all know why....that Kush, Trump Jr. and Manafort
tried to collude with a Russian spy at Trump tower in June of 2016. We have no clue what was said in that meeting, but Kush admitted that yep, they took the meeting with the Russian spy to get dirt on Hillary.
In what world is that not an attempt to work with Russia to win the election? Do you care? Hell no, you don't care. You think this, too, was a frame job.
Best part, Kusher showed every spy and leader in the free world that he is morally compromised. And what did you and your fellow TrumpFans do about this? Oh, why you cheered while Kush is out doing the business of the American people overseas, with ZERO oversight. But oh yeah, you're serious about corruption.
Psst, thought I'd point out to the guy worried about Hunter Biden.... Kush is overseas, right now, representing the United States. But sure, tell us how corruption offends you when Biden's son took a no-show job in Ukraine.
tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:34 am
Of course nothing comes close to the inequity of a special council vs internal IG examination... but at least the internal scrutiny has finally led to Durham's criminal investigation, relevant and necessary IMO. I'm pleased to see it.
Do you know how many investigations we've had looking into the people who investigated Trump? One? Two? Three? Take a guess.
tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:34 am
FISA was abused for political purposes... judges were lied to...
unprecedented stuff, but to you it was simply "tin foil" foolishness. Guess who looks like the fool as more evidence surfaces?
You and the rest of your brilliant TrumpFans
You weren't at the cooler at the time of the Patriot Act's strengthening of FISA work. Dis, old salt, JHU72, and others were. Guess what you and your TrumpFans thought about FISA? They thought what they ALWAYS think when they take liberties away from "other people"....they thought "who cares, I won't have to deal with FISA, so I don't care if it's a secret corrupt court that violates the Constitution, and sticks it to other people".
ACLU warned you about FISA. So did the libs. And, drumroll,....so did yours truly. What happened? Laughable and predictably, you ignored these warnings......that is, until FISA caught one of the TrumpFan's guys......karma at its finest.
So you can pretend like these FISA abuses are "unprecedented" all you like. Bzzzzt. Wrong. Not only has this happened before with FISA, it's how FISA works. There's zero oversight. Which is the point to the FISA court----it's all secret, so our government can do what it likes.
Here's a warning from the ACLU in 2013. Take your tin foil hat off, and read it.
Headline:
The FISA Court’s Problems Run Deep, and More Than Tinkering is Required
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secu ... -tinkering
Can you believe the gall of those libs at the ACLU? My advice? Ignore what they're telling you, and pretend like FISA was just out to get Trump.
Did you know, for example, that the FISA court approves 99% of all warrants that are applied for? So yep, you can pretend like this was an isolated incident motivated by politics all you like. That's not what happened. What happened was simply another day at the office in our FISA courts. You and your fellow TrumpFans didn't care until your guy got hit with it.
And my money is that you STILL don't care, and nothing will be done to fix or eliminate FISA. Oh well. You didn't listen before, why listen now?
BTW, Horowitz told you in plain English that the FISA abuses had NOTHING to do with politics. You're not planning on believing that either, I'm sure. Oh well. You can lead a horse to water....
tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:34 am
And don't be surprised when much more is realized, perhaps evidence of crimes/indictments, the outcome of ideas/suspicions you originally and conveniently filed under "tin foil."
So yes, tin foil hat. You and FoxNation are desperately pretending like Trump was convicted, and the FBI fabricated evidence. It's just so stupid. All the FBI did was investigate and clear Trump. Wow. What a stunning "conspiracy".
tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:34 am
IMO, the Bidens should be investigated, absolutely, but outside of the impeachment proceedings. There is ample evidence of their connection to Ukranian corruption
Great. Let's hear your evidence.
(psssst. there isn't any as of today)
But this is part where you and FoxNation pretend that you don't know the difference between the FBI looking into the Bidens, and Trump ORDERING that the Bidens be investigated. Gee wiz golly willikers, thinking is really hard. I just can't tell the difference between the Trump using the power of his office to attack his political rivals, and the FBI simply doing their job, and clearing an innocent man.
The FBI cleared Trump. Bolded so that you get the mind numbingly simple point. How the F can it be a conspiracy to take him down if Trump was cleared?
tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:34 am
So you can disagree on impeachment a fan and still investigate and seek justice (if indicted) re the Bidens... that's certainly not hypocrisy.
Non sequitur. You jumped past your defense of Trump's asking a foreign leader to investigate a political rival.
What's your defense here? You have never given one. All you give us are emojis and dodged questions.