Why Liberalism Failed

[jhu72]

A critique of Patrick Deneen's angry rants (2 of them) about how liberal elites are destroying America.

[MDlaxfan76]

A critique of Patrick Deneen's angry rants (2 of them) about how liberal elites are destroying America.

Darn interesting.

[Brooklyn]

A critique of Patrick Deneen's angry rants (2 of them) about how liberal elites are destroying America.

As the writer says, the writer Deneen falls terribly short on presenting PROOF of the claims he makes. Yes, it's always popular and politically correct for delusional right wingers to always blame liberals for every social malady under the sun. But, as always, those nitwits of the far right never present so much as a shred of evidence to prove their ridiculous claims.

Over the years the right wing delusionals claimed that pornography is pervasive in society due to liberalism. However clear, convincing, and incontrovertible evidence has been presented by researchers over the years to prove that it is the right wing red states that use FAR more pornography than do the blue states. It is the twisted and perverse minds of the far right that enjoys pornographic trash. Same with other issues such as illegitimacy, murder, crime, divorce, mass murder attacks, domestic terrorism, and other issues such as forms of welfarism ~ the far right ascribes all that to liberals. But researched facts conclusively prove that it is the right wing states which have far more problems along those lines.

Another problem with Deneen is that he fails to actually name the so called elitist liberals who are actually responsible for any of the social faults he whines about. All he does is to give general descriptions of people. Who but a complete idiot would, if serving on a jury, convict anyone who could not be named, specifically identified, or have any evidence presented against them in a court of law??? It just cannot happen. Not in the real world. Only in the twisted drugged up minds of the radical far right.

Regime change? OK. Let's begin by reforming the stacked up right wing supreme court. Let's change corporate boards by integrating them racially and by social class. Let's dissolve the Pentagon and military industrial complex and let's tax war profits at a 100% rate so that there is no more incentive to create wars. Let's change the political climate which says that any criticism of a right wingers like Bush or tRump constitutes "hate speech" and must be censored, while vicious attacks, including profanities against Democrats are held to be constitutionally protected "free speech" which must be promoted without any restraint or limits.

Elevating individualism? Sure. Let's end all corporate welfarism. Dissolve all foreign tax havens. End preference items, reliefs, subsidies. Make the rich pay their taxes like all else do.

Church attendance? How can that idiot Deneen ascribe declining church attendance to liberals? Did liberals force churches to rape little boys in their basements? Or how about all those television evangelist scandals -- these are RIGHT wing churches, not liberal institutions. People read up on news about those morons, get disgusted, and leave the churches. Who the hell can blame them? But to say that liberals are responsible for any of that is stupid beyond belief.

Aristocrats? Obviously, Deneen forgets that tRump, the Koch brothers, Peter Thiel, Sheldon Adelson, and others are elite aristocrats. Where is his condemnation of those clowns???

And if conservatives are the majority as he claims, why did tRump and Bush get fewer votes than did the Democrats who oppose them? Why are there more registered Democrats than Republicans?

I could write much more but you get my drift. Once again a delusional right winger has attacked liberals by making general statements, by not identifying anyone in particular, by not presenting a shred of evidence to support his ridiculous claims, and by offering more right wing elitism as a "solution" to the mess they created in the first place. Only a mental midget would buy into any of that crap.

[jhu72]

... it is easy to understand why this guy was denied tenure at Princeton, and it had nothing to do with being conservative

[MDlaxfan76]

... it is easy to understand why this guy was denied tenure at Princeton, and it had nothing to do with being conservative

That was one of my takeaways as well. Deneen simply doesn't meet basic standards of scholarship.

Notwithstanding Booklyn's righteous ire above, I think there are valid aspects of the 'conservative' critique of liberalism which deserve investigation as well as reflection.

Especially by those on the left.
Those who aren't reflexively in denial of such critiques can and should find ways to improve upon liberalism, not harden walls.

But this sort of faux intellectualism of the right gets in the way of openness to investigation and reflection. And that's probably the intent, to heighten partisan division, to inflame rather than to inquire. To sell books, to gain notoriety, a grift not scholarship.

And it really does reveal the hypocrisy and intellectual weakness that has infected the right in this era.

[cradleandshoot]

... it is easy to understand why this guy was denied tenure at Princeton, and it had nothing to do with being conservative

That was one of my takeaways as well. Deneen simply doesn't meet basic standards of scholarship.

Notwithstanding Booklyn's righteous ire above, I think there are valid aspects of the 'conservative' critique of liberalism which deserve investigation as well as reflection.

Especially by those on the left.
Those who aren't reflexively in denial of such critiques can and should find ways to improve upon liberalism, not harden walls.

But this sort of faux intellectualism of the right gets in the way of openness to investigation and reflection. And that's probably the intent, to heighten partisan division, to inflame rather than to inquire. To sell books, to gain notoriety, a grift not scholarship.

And it really does reveal the hypocrisy and intellectual weakness that has infected the right in this era.

Perhaps some of these faux republican intellectuals should revisit how it was done by William Safire. I always believed him to be an intellectual giant though he often times came across as too stuffy and arrogant. He was a master of the English language.

[Brooklyn]

... it is easy to understand why this guy was denied tenure at Princeton, and it had nothing to do with being conservative

That was one of my takeaways as well. Deneen simply doesn't meet basic standards of scholarship.

Notwithstanding Booklyn's righteous ire above, I think there are valid aspects of the 'conservative' critique of liberalism which deserve investigation as well as reflection.

Especially by those on the left.
Those who aren't reflexively in denial of such critiques can and should find ways to improve upon liberalism, not harden walls.

But this sort of faux intellectualism of the right gets in the way of openness to investigation and reflection. And that's probably the intent, to heighten partisan division, to inflame rather than to inquire. To sell books, to gain notoriety, a grift not scholarship.

And it really does reveal the hypocrisy and intellectual weakness that has infected the right in this era.

On top of all that Deneen's solutions remain the same as those idiocies always offered by the delusional far right: "Deneen merely proposes replacing liberal elites with more conservative ones" to be supplemented by Christian thoughts and prayers. Not one concrete solution is offered.

Bottom line --- it's not liberalism that is the failure. It's CONservatism that remains society's biggest FAIL. Total FAIL.

[Brooklyn]

I am willing to bet that Deneen ascribes the actions of this pervert to liberals even though the incident took place in a Republican and CONservative state in a television evangelist type church :


https://wcyb.com/news/nation-world/bapt ... light-risk


A former Christian missionary in Iowa was sentenced to 25 years in prison for abusing a preschooler and giving them a sexually transmitted disease.

Jordan Webb, 31, was sentenced last week in Webster County after he was convicted by a jury on charges of second-degree sexual abuse, incest and child endangerment.

[cradleandshoot]

If liberalism has failed in America it can only be because it is run by liberals... That is the same logic liberals use to condemn conservatives. My parents and my entire family lock, stock and barrel were the poster children for what a liberal Democrat should look like. My mom was hardcore Democrat liberal whose devout Irish Catholic background was as anti abortion as you could get. Funny that in the world of FLP liberals there would be no room for my mom in your world today. All of you modern day liberals are standing on the shoulders of Democrats who did not always agree with your present ideology. How quickly you kick them to the curb when they are no longer of any use to your cause.
There isn't a liberal poster on this forum today that could equal the passion my mom had for the Democrat party. I've always considered myself a Democrat and I always will. The sad reality today is both parties are an embarrassment to the people. How many of you Libs on this forum today are pro life? How many of you would ever admit that to your fellow liberal friends??? You could if you had any integrity. If my mom was alive today she would still be party loyal and still hardcore anti abortion. Of course is that is no longer acceptable in the liberal world today. Is it not the liberal elite who opine about diversity and acceptance of difference of opinion, except when that difference of opinion tinkles you all off?

[Brooklyn]

How many CONservatives are actually pro life and condemn wars and bombing of children like Republican Bush did to Afghanis and Iraqis?

Pro life? Yet, so many right wing delusional want to cut off food stamps to hungry children while applauding three and four martini lunches for corporate capitalist welfare queens.

Intolerance for difference of opinion? Yeah, like the right wing did with Kathy Griffin and the Dixie Chicks. Remember?

Diversity? The CONs refuse to allow Obama to appoint a supreme court member in his fourth year but it was perfectly ok for tRump to do so. So who, then, is blocking diversity?


As always, it is ever so easy to defeat ultra right wing lies. All you need do is to post the truth and these America haters are rendered helpless.

[Brooklyn]

I'd love to see this Deneen clown in a debate with any progressive scholar. He would be easily torn apart immediately. Wouldn't even be close.


https://quillette.com/2023/06/06/americ ... me-change/


Just how do delusionals like him get jobs at prestigious Catholic schools like Georgetown and Notre Dame? Do they bribe anyone? Are the regents paid off to hire him? This guy is so full of ˢʰᶦᵗ that he could fertilize a desert. He is beyond pathetic.