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Clemson 2023

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:04 pm
by wlaxphan20

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:39 pm
by DMac
Five games into the season by mid Feb (just about), spring is coming earlier and earlier.
Gotta love that Dome up in Cuse, it's just like February in Carolina. Good idea to wear
a hat, gloves, coat, and maybe a scarf too on your way in though.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:50 pm
by OuttaNowhereWregget
WOFFORD

 February 11

FURMAN

 February 15

At WINTHROP

 February 18

GARDNER WEBB

 February 22

At NOTRE DAME

 February 25


At VIRGINIA 

March 3

At LONGWOOD

 March 5

CAMPBELL

 March 8

DUKE

 Saturday, March 11
BOSTON COLLEGE

 March 16

RADFORD

 March 19

PRESBYTERIAN

 March 22

At NORTH CAROLINA 

March 26

LOUISVILLE

 March 31


At SYRACUSE

 April 8

At VIRGINIA TECH

 April 15

PITT

 April 20


Looks like Duke's 2022 schedule...but then again--Clemson's an "expansion team"

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Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:03 pm
by wlaxphan20
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:50 pm WOFFORD

 February 11

FURMAN

 February 15

At WINTHROP

 February 18

GARDNER WEBB

 February 22

At NOTRE DAME

 February 25


At VIRGINIA 

March 3

At LONGWOOD

 March 5

CAMPBELL

 March 8

DUKE

 Saturday, March 11
BOSTON COLLEGE

 March 16

RADFORD

 March 19

PRESBYTERIAN

 March 22

At NORTH CAROLINA 

March 26

LOUISVILLE

 March 31


At SYRACUSE

 April 8

At VIRGINIA TECH

 April 15

PITT

 April 20


Looks like Duke's 2022 schedule...but then again--Clemson's an "expansion team"

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While the OOC schedule isn’t exactly eye-popping, I noticed most of the schools on the OOC schedule are fairly local. This would cut a lot of expenses (airfare, hotels, meal money, etc) that come with traveling further. I have no idea what their budget looks like, but I think it might serve the dual purpose of being cost effective and providing some confidence building games before a brutal ACC gauntlet.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:04 pm
by OuttaNowhereWregget
wlaxphan20 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:03 pm
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:50 pm WOFFORD

 February 11

FURMAN

 February 15

At WINTHROP

 February 18

GARDNER WEBB

 February 22

At NOTRE DAME

 February 25


At VIRGINIA 

March 3

At LONGWOOD

 March 5

CAMPBELL

 March 8

DUKE

 Saturday, March 11
BOSTON COLLEGE

 March 16

RADFORD

 March 19

PRESBYTERIAN

 March 22

At NORTH CAROLINA 

March 26

LOUISVILLE

 March 31


At SYRACUSE

 April 8

At VIRGINIA TECH

 April 15

PITT

 April 20


Looks like Duke's 2022 schedule...but then again--Clemson's an "expansion team"
While the OOC schedule isn’t exactly eye-popping, I noticed most of the schools on the OOC schedule are fairly local. This would cut a lot of expenses (airfare, hotels, meal money, etc) that come with traveling further. I have no idea what their budget looks like, but I think it might serve the dual purpose of being cost effective and providing some confidence building games before a brutal ACC gauntlet.
It looks like a very balanced schedule—like a lot of thought went into it. Seems perfect for a first year team.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:41 pm
by Wheels,Wheels!
What a joke! Wow. Any win outside of the ACC is fools gold.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:22 am
by OuttaNowhereWregget
Wheels,Wheels! wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:41 pm What a joke! Wow. Any win outside of the ACC is fools gold.
Just curious as to what you are referring to as a joke. I am always interested to hear other perspectives.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:24 am
by Bart
Wheels,Wheels! wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:41 pm What a joke! Wow. Any win outside of the ACC is fools gold.
IDK, seems like a fairly ok schedule for a first year ACC team. Very similar in scope to the other recent addition to the ACC.

Fools gold would imply that you see value in wins, if they see any...gotta play the games, where there is none. I would suggest there is value in any win regarding building a culture, confidence and momentum for the future. Will any wins in the OOC schedule translate to ACC success? To be seen but recent history suggests it would be minimal but then again that is why they play the games.

It is their first schedule. To me, sometimes it is best to fish in a smaller pond before you venture out into the ocean.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:53 pm
by Wheels,Wheels!
Why the term Joke:
When Clemson introduced their program, to great social media fan fare, they boasted of their fantastic facilities and competitive edge it would bring them. The plank owners are mostly made up of 20 experienced transfers. Multiple posts of eye catching swag drops and self lauding of their recruiting successes set the expectation that they were going to field a team forged by the best competition. I expected it from in and out of the ACC. Having your OOC schedule against these team is unimpressive and laughable for a team that outwardly advertised excellence.
Will a 9 point game from Jimerson against Radford set any competitive bar?
Iron sharpens Iron.

Pitt, which followed the same blueprint in many respects, came out with OOC schedule that was short on wins but played many more competitive, regional programs than the Tigers. Namely PSU, Siena, Duquesne, Canisius.

They should have replaced four of their OOC teams with; High Point, Davidson, Elon, Coastal and Jax. They billed themselves as all in, starting the program with new everything etc. so the budget (football TV $)should not be a determining factor to play these regional opponents.

I expected a George Carlin routine got one from Paulie Shore!

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:21 pm
by OuttaNowhereWregget
Wheels,Wheels! wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:53 pm Why the term Joke:
When Clemson introduced their program, to great social media fan fare, they boasted of their fantastic facilities and competitive edge it would bring them. The plank owners are mostly made up of 20 experienced transfers. Multiple posts of eye catching swag drops and self lauding of their recruiting successes set the expectation that they were going to field a team forged by the best competition. I expected it from in and out of the ACC. Having your OOC schedule against these team is unimpressive and laughable for a team that outwardly advertised excellence.
Will a 9 point game from Jimerson against Radford set any competitive bar?
Iron sharpens Iron.

Pitt, which followed the same blueprint in many respects, came out with OOC schedule that was short on wins but played many more competitive, regional programs than the Tigers. Namely PSU, Siena, Duquesne, Canisius.

They should have replaced four of their OOC teams with; High Point, Davidson, Elon, Coastal and Jax. They billed themselves as all in, starting the program with new everything etc. so the budget (football TV $)should not be a determining factor to play these regional opponents.

I expected a George Carlin routine got one from Paulie Shore!
Good points. Thank you.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:39 pm
by wlaxphan20
Wheels,Wheels! wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:53 pm Why the term Joke:
When Clemson introduced their program, to great social media fan fare, they boasted of their fantastic facilities and competitive edge it would bring them. The plank owners are mostly made up of 20 experienced transfers. Multiple posts of eye catching swag drops and self lauding of their recruiting successes set the expectation that they were going to field a team forged by the best competition. I expected it from in and out of the ACC. Having your OOC schedule against these team is unimpressive and laughable for a team that outwardly advertised excellence.
Will a 9 point game from Jimerson against Radford set any competitive bar?
Iron sharpens Iron.

Pitt, which followed the same blueprint in many respects, came out with OOC schedule that was short on wins but played many more competitive, regional programs than the Tigers. Namely PSU, Siena, Duquesne, Canisius.

They should have replaced four of their OOC teams with; High Point, Davidson, Elon, Coastal and Jax. They billed themselves as all in, starting the program with new everything etc. so the budget (football TV $)should not be a determining factor to play these regional opponents.

I expected a George Carlin routine got one from Paulie Shore!
Maybe Coastal or Davidson at 3 hrs, but outside of that I would hardly call the 4-5+ hour drives of High Point, Jacksonville, Elon etc. "local" when compared to the 2 hour drives of some of the actual local schools on the schedule.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:03 pm
by TNLAX
Not sure how hard or easy it is for a new program to schedule out of conference games. (never been a college coach) But I would imagine it isn't easy getting games. Most teams play yearly home n away games against OOC teams so schedules are kind of locked in for a year or two. Maybe Clemson wanted to play a few teams but couldn't find dates. Let them play and hopefully enjoy some competitive games. My 2 cents

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:30 pm
by jff97
TNLAX wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:03 pm Not sure how hard or easy it is for a new program to schedule out of conference games. (never been a college coach) But I would imagine it isn't easy getting games. Most teams play yearly home n away games against OOC teams so schedules are kind of locked in for a year or two. Maybe Clemson wanted to play a few teams but couldn't find dates. Let them play and hopefully enjoy some competitive games. My 2 cents
That was my thought when I saw the schedule too. A lot more goes into scheduling than just I want to play these teams. If Clemson starts building a consistent NCAA Tournament caliber program, I'm sure they'll get better OOC games.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:22 pm
by Lax101
No matter how you look at it this OOC schedule is laughable and embarrassing. It costs nothing to have good teams, maybe Top 30 teams come play at Clemson. Some teams would welcome the opportunity.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:25 pm
by user1020
I would’ve liked to see one possibly Big 10 school or OOC ranked school, but I don’t think they needed to have a tough schedule. I believe they made the right call because it would not be good for a program to win 2 games their opening year especially when Clemson could be good in the future.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:07 pm
by LaxThoughts
Not much wrong with that schedule for a first year ACC team that will get tested plenty during its ACC schedule. Remember Duke's joke of a 2022 out-of-conference schedule which consisted of Gardner-Webb, Elon, William & Mary, High Point, Wofford, East Carolina, and Davidson?

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:20 pm
by Dr. Tact
LaxThoughts wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:07 pm Not much wrong with that schedule for a first year ACC team that will get tested plenty during its ACC schedule. Remember Duke's joke of a 2022 out-of-conference schedule which consisted of Gardner-Webb, Elon, William & Mary, High Point, Wofford, East Carolina, and Davidson?
I agree with what you are saying. Clemson with [RPI ranking last year] Wofford [105], Furman[62], Winthrop[106], GW[87], Longwood[108], Campbell[75], Radford[112], Presbyterian[115] is scheduling similar to Duke's (last year), a perennial top 10 team. Duke's schedule was indeed weak for their program quality.

I think that Clemson wins 6 of those 8 OOC games. I wouldnt be surprised if they win them all.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:24 pm
by OuttaNowhereWregget
LaxThoughts wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:07 pm Not much wrong with that schedule for a first year ACC team that will get tested plenty during its ACC schedule. Remember Duke's joke of a 2022 out-of-conference schedule which consisted of Gardner-Webb, Elon, William & Mary, High Point, Wofford, East Carolina, and Davidson?
Agreed. I can also see Wheels!'s perspective in that Clemson did attract a veritable boatload of transfers so they're not a good example of a purely first year team. They boast 18 upperclassers (new PC safe word, folks--woohoo!) including a whopping 11 grad students. It's going to be a very interesting first year. Looking forward to it.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:39 pm
by Wheels,Wheels!
If Clemson’s OOC was identical to last years Blue Devils I would more impressed and interested. I hope if they are at .500 at seasons end they lay low, no need to break out the video pyrotechnics in celebration.

Re: Clemson 2023

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:47 pm
by OuttaNowhereWregget
Wheels,Wheels! wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:39 pm If Clemson’s OOC was identical to last years Blue Devils I would more impressed and interested. I hope if they are at .500 at seasons end they lay low, no need to break out the video pyrotechnics in celebration.
In this day and age? The Industrial Hype Complex at Clemson will be revving full-bore for every home game and all through the season and beyond on their social media platforms. I'm sure the video pyrotechnics are already locked and loaded and ready for opening day in South Carolina.