Recruiting

[LarryGamLax]

ILWomen put out their freshman impact rankings, a list of the top 25 freshman in the country so far. Here's where they were in the publications recruting rankings that were released before the season. They ranked the top 50 players, then listed the next best 50 players in alphabetical order. Use this to further whatever agenda you wish.
25. Joely Caramelli, M, Syracuse 4-star watch list
24. Kyra Obert, M/A, Denver 4-star watch list
23. Payton Tini, M, Rutgers 4-star watch list
22. Katie Clare, M, Yale #42, 4-star
21. Ashley Dyer, D, Florida #22, 5-star
20. Laura O'Connor, G, Yale unranked
19. Alex Gladding, D, Vanderbilt unranked
18. Codi Johnson, D, Brown 4-star watch list
17. Catherine Berkey, A, Penn unranked
16. Olivia Ripple, M, Denver 4-star watch list
15. Anna Regan, M/Draw, USC 4-star watch list
14. Maisy Clevenger, M, Maryland #6, 5-star
13. Mikayla Williams, M, Navy unranked
12. Kate Galica, M, Virginia 4-star watch list
11. Fiona O'Keefe, A, Dartmouth unranked
10. Regan Byrne, A, Clemson #13, 5-star
9. Lydia Colasante, D, Boston College #3, 5-star
8. Madison Alaimo, A, Virginia #39, 4-star
7. Eva Ingrilli, A, North Carolina #17, 5-star
6. Ava Bleckley, D, James Madison #20, 5-star
5. GraceAnn Leonard, M, North Carolina #23, 5-star
4. Natalie Shurtleff, M, Clemson #2, 5-star
3. Kaci Benoit D, Syracuse #12, 5-star
2. Jenna DiNardo, A, Virginia 4-star watch list
1. Aliya Polisky, A, Stanford #14, 5-star

No offense to anyone on this list, but whoever made these rankings doesn't watch much lax.

To be fair (at least to the freshmen pre-season rankings and other HS rankings), they are made by looking at the player within the context of the high school game. College is a different game with different team needs, tactics, systems, rules, etc. IMO it is extremely difficult to project how players players will do in college in many team sports, including lacrosse (as opposed to individual sports or team sports that are very individually skill-based like swimming, track, gymnastics, baseball, softball, etc.)

After reading so much information and data on this site, I thought I would throw out a question to see if anyone has done the research to help future recruits. Does anyone know a breakdown of playing minutes by class per school. An example, NW has played 17 games this year for a total of 1020 minutes for the team and a total of 12240 minutes combined for a 12 woman roster. What percentage of those minutes were played by freshman/sophmores/jr/sr/grad. Love to be able to understand which coaches play younger talent vs upper class/grad to help with future decisions and help the recruits understand generalized playing expectations. Good luck mathletes.

When I first got involved with college coaching and recruiting, they used to keep a stat for minutes played. That was in the 20th Century. It seems(to me) that in the 21st Century, they stopped doing that in the late part of the early 2000's. Why does it appear to have stopped? I really don't know.
And they don't seem to do it on the Men's side either.

The best way to get these answers : Do not be afraid to ask coaches tough questions. And it's always better if the perspective RECRUIT is asking those questions.

[Bystanders]

While I do wish the minutes played was posted, I do find Inside Lacrosse’s fantasy points to be a good proxy for action a player is getting. Unless of course the role doesn’t yield stats (the defender who clears but doesn’t get GBs or CTOs / the attacker who really just gets hockey assists).

[Relax77]

ILWomen put out their freshman impact rankings, a list of the top 25 freshman in the country so far. Here's where they were in the publications recruting rankings that were released before the season. They ranked the top 50 players, then listed the next best 50 players in alphabetical order. Use this to further whatever agenda you wish.
25. Joely Caramelli, M, Syracuse 4-star watch list
24. Kyra Obert, M/A, Denver 4-star watch list
23. Payton Tini, M, Rutgers 4-star watch list
22. Katie Clare, M, Yale #42, 4-star
21. Ashley Dyer, D, Florida #22, 5-star
20. Laura O'Connor, G, Yale unranked
19. Alex Gladding, D, Vanderbilt unranked
18. Codi Johnson, D, Brown 4-star watch list
17. Catherine Berkey, A, Penn unranked
16. Olivia Ripple, M, Denver 4-star watch list
15. Anna Regan, M/Draw, USC 4-star watch list
14. Maisy Clevenger, M, Maryland #6, 5-star
13. Mikayla Williams, M, Navy unranked
12. Kate Galica, M, Virginia 4-star watch list
11. Fiona O'Keefe, A, Dartmouth unranked
10. Regan Byrne, A, Clemson #13, 5-star
9. Lydia Colasante, D, Boston College #3, 5-star
8. Madison Alaimo, A, Virginia #39, 4-star
7. Eva Ingrilli, A, North Carolina #17, 5-star
6. Ava Bleckley, D, James Madison #20, 5-star
5. GraceAnn Leonard, M, North Carolina #23, 5-star
4. Natalie Shurtleff, M, Clemson #2, 5-star
3. Kaci Benoit D, Syracuse #12, 5-star
2. Jenna DiNardo, A, Virginia 4-star watch list
1. Aliya Polisky, A, Stanford #14, 5-star

No offense to anyone on this list, but whoever made these rankings doesn't watch much lax.

None taken

[Bluecollar]

Hey Folks,

How much sway do D3 coaches have with admissions? I assume it likely differs by school, lacrosse team success, and coach tenure, but is there a general sentiment that D3 can or cannot help with admissions?

BC

[lax410]

Most D3 can help with admissions with some exceptions. MIT comes to mind as a school that can’t help at all. I’m sure there are others.

[cltlax]

Hey Folks,

How much sway do D3 coaches have with admissions? I assume it likely differs by school, lacrosse team success, and coach tenure, but is there a general sentiment that D3 can or cannot help with admissions?

BC

My D24 is going to a high academic. She did a pre-read last summer and got the green light from admissions. Applied early decision and was accepted. I got the distinct impression that the coach had influence with admissions. She had good test scores and grades, but the admissions process is crazy, so it was nice to have some help.

[Brownlax]

Hey Folks,

How much sway do D3 coaches have with admissions? I assume it likely differs by school, lacrosse team success, and coach tenure, but is there a general sentiment that D3 can or cannot help with admissions?

BC

It depends on the school and conference. In the NECAC coaches do have the ability to support players. For most it has usually been 3 players per year. Ivies on the other hand are usually 7-9 (the whole recruiting class).

[westcoastlax]

Does anyone know a breakdown of playing minutes by class per school. An example, NW has played 17 games this year for a total of 1020 minutes for the team and a total of 12240 minutes combined for a 12 woman roster. What percentage of those minutes were played by freshman/sophmores/jr/sr/grad. Love to be able to understand which coaches play younger talent vs upper class/grad to help with future decisions and help the recruits understand generalized playing expectations. Good luck mathletes.

It is my general impression that if you do not play meaningful minutes as a freshman, you are unlikely to play meaningful minutes later in your career. What are other people's impressions? Does it make a difference if you play attack, midfield, or defense? Any one playing championship weekend that did not play meaningful minutes as a freshman / sophomore?

8-10 recruits per year. 4-5 play and 4-5 rarely see the field. 16-20 play per game (4-5 per grad year). It might be even smaller now at the D1 level due to the transfer portal. Coaches do not want to lose half their starters in one year, so they spread playing time out over multiple classes. This avoids a "rebuilding" year. It seems to hold true at the D3 level.

[LaxDadMax]

Does anyone know a breakdown of playing minutes by class per school. An example, NW has played 17 games this year for a total of 1020 minutes for the team and a total of 12240 minutes combined for a 12 woman roster. What percentage of those minutes were played by freshman/sophmores/jr/sr/grad. Love to be able to understand which coaches play younger talent vs upper class/grad to help with future decisions and help the recruits understand generalized playing expectations. Good luck mathletes.

It is my general impression that if you do not play meaningful minutes as a freshman, you are unlikely to play meaningful minutes later in your career. What are other people's impressions? Does it make a difference if you play attack, midfield, or defense? Any one playing championship weekend that did not play meaningful minutes as a freshman / sophomore?

8-10 recruits per year. 4-5 play and 4-5 rarely see the field. 16-20 play per game (4-5 per grad year). It might be even smaller now at the D1 level due to the transfer portal. Coaches do not want to lose half their starters in one year, so they spread playing time out over multiple classes. This avoids a "rebuilding" year. It seems to hold true at the D3 level.

I'd say if you aren't at least in the rotation by sophomore year, then it is unlikely you ever will be, at least in top programs that continue to bring in top talent. Exceptions are one-player positions like goalie and draw specialist.

At top programs it is very rare for any freshman to make an impact. But it is also rare for a girl to see the field for the first time as a junior.

[JustWatching]

Hey Folks,

How much sway do D3 coaches have with admissions? I assume it likely differs by school, lacrosse team success, and coach tenure, but is there a general sentiment that D3 can or cannot help with admissions?

BC

There is a range. If the coach has been in his/her position for a few years, they are likely familiar with what they can do. Someone else mentioned MIT. They do a pre read like most other schools, but the level of confidence even after a positive read is much lower (about 50%).

If you are offered an academic read, go for it. If it is positive, ask very clearly what your likelihood of admission is, what level of support the coach has and what level is being given to you, and what issues could create a problem going forward.

Some schools also provide a fin aid estimate during this pre read process.

[jff97]

Final wave of the New Balance (formerly) Under Armour All-American game was announced yesterday. Unsurprisingly, UNC has the most commits playing in the game with 6. Here's how the selections broke down by schools, as well as their most recent recruiting rankings. Only five players selected were not in the ILWomen top 50 that came out late last year.

North Carolina-6 Tess Calabria (A, #20), Kate Levy (M, #4), Eliza Osburn (M, #1), Addison Pattillo (A, #14), Charlotte Corkins (M, #10), Alexandra Zenk (G, #16)
Boston College-4 Giulia Colarusso (A, #5), Devon Russell (M, #3), Hanna Davis (A, #19), Kelly Blake (A, #24)
Maryland-4 Kayla Gilmore (M, #6), Devin Livingston (M, #8), Lydia Ward (D, #18), Emma Abbazia (M, #49)
Syracuse-4 Lexi Reber (D, #9), Molly Guzik (M, #15), Caroline Trinkaus (M, #26), Mileena Cotter (M, #21)
Duke-3 Sadie Stafford (M, #27), Maddie MacDonald (M, #37), Amanda Paci (D, #47)
Notre Dame-3 Madison Rassas (M, #2), Carson Didden (D, #32), Katie Mallaber (A, #40)
Northwestern-3 Hannah Rudolph (M, #12), Aditi Foster (A), Jenna Soto (A)
Stanford-2 Amanda Lawson (M, #17), Martha Oakey (A, #33)
Penn-2 Orly Sedransk (G, #11), Josie Goldman (D)
Michigan-2 Caroline Byrd (A, #30), Remi Schaller (M, #23)
Florida-2 Gabby Greene (M, #31), Clark Hamilton (A, #25)
Virginia-2 Payton Sfreddo (M), Sophia Conti (D)
Clemson-2 Madi Wrenn (D, #35), Kira Balis (D, #43)
Navy-1 Alyssa Chung (M, #7)
USC-1 Charlotte Morton (G, #13)
Harvard-1 Lauren Park (A, #22)
Johns Hopkins-1 Eleri Colon (M, #41)
Princeton-1 Zoe Bye (D, #36)
Vanderbilt-1 Emmerson Martin (G, #28)

[CnyLax]

Final wave of the New Balance (formerly) Under Armour All-American game was announced yesterday. Unsurprisingly, UNC has the most commits playing in the game with 6. Here's how the selections broke down by schools, as well as their most recent recruiting rankings. Only five players selected were not in the ILWomen top 50 that came out late last year.

North Carolina-6 Tess Calabria (A, #20), Kate Levy (M, #4), Eliza Osburn (M, #1), Addison Pattillo (A, #14), Charlotte Corkins (M, #10), Alexandra Zenk (G, #16)
Boston College-4 Giulia Colarusso (A, #5), Devon Russell (M, #3), Hanna Davis (A, #19), Kelly Blake (A, #24)
Maryland-4 Kayla Gilmore (M, #6), Devin Livingston (M, #8), Lydia Ward (D, #18), Emma Abbazia (M, #49)
Syracuse-4 Lexi Reber (D, #9), Molly Guzik (M, #15), Caroline Trinkaus (M, #26), Mileena Cotter (M, #21)
Duke-3 Sadie Stafford (M, #27), Maddie MacDonald (M, #37), Amanda Paci (D, #47)
Notre Dame-3 Madison Rassas (M, #2), Carson Didden (D, #32), Katie Mallaber (A, #40)
Northwestern-3 Hannah Rudolph (M, #12), Aditi Foster (A), Jenna Soto (A)
Stanford-2 Amanda Lawson (M, #17), Martha Oakey (A, #33)
Penn-2 Orly Sedransk (G, #11), Josie Goldman (D)
Michigan-2 Caroline Byrd (A, #30), Remi Schaller (M, #23)
Florida-2 Gabby Greene (M, #31), Clark Hamilton (A, #25)
Virginia-2 Payton Sfreddo (M), Sophia Conti (D)
Clemson-2 Madi Wrenn (D, #35), Kira Balis (D, #43)
Navy-1 Alyssa Chung (M, #7)
USC-1 Charlotte Morton (G, #13)
Harvard-1 Lauren Park (A, #22)
Johns Hopkins-1 Eleri Colon (M, #41)
Princeton-1 Zoe Bye (D, #36)
Vanderbilt-1 Emmerson Martin (G, #28)

Love a breakdown by club

[laxfan9999]

5 clubs with the most players after a quick glance

7 M&D Black
6 Yellowjackets Wiener
6 CT Grizzlies Navy
4 Skywalkers Blue
4 Monsters Purple

[Hello]

In the past these selections have not been a great indicator of success getting significant playing time in college.

[hmmm]

In the past these selections have not been a great indicator of success getting significant playing time in college.

That's just silly. Have you actually looked at the rosters? A very high portion of the 2020/2021/2022 senior teams have played significant roles on their teams. Quite of the few of the 2023s had very productive freshman years. These 3 classes in particular were really hurt by all the covid years but the senior AA team players are mostly doing quite well.

[Womenslaxxfan]

In the past these selections have not been a great indicator of success getting significant playing time in college.

Great indicator, no. Good indicator, probably.
I’ve never done it, but if you look at playing time of AA senior selections versus top 100 non selected, I would think the selections, on the margin, get more play time.

But that’s just a hypothesis.

[hmmm]

In the past these selections have not been a great indicator of success getting significant playing time in college.

Great indicator, no. Good indicator, probably.
I’ve never done it, but if you look at playing time of AA senior selections versus top 100 non selected, I would think the selections, on the margin, get more play time.

But that’s just a hypothesis.

Just an example below. The narrative is always going to be that the wrong girls are picked for these games, but for the most part they get it right. Sure girls are missed that are great in college, but it's just not true that most the girls selected don't contribute greatly to their college teams.

2021 Players who have been major contributors(39 of 44 girls that were selected for AA game have played significant minutes)
Rachel Clark, UVA/BC
Mckenna Davis, BC
Emma LoPinto, UF/BC
Brooke Hoss, PSU
McKenzie Blake, Princeton
Chase Boyle, Loyola
Samantha Forrest, North Carolina
Kylie Gelabert, Cornell
Natasha Gorriaran, Penn
Jordyn Lipkin, Maryland
Maddigan Miller, Stanford
Nina Montes, Princeton
Olivia Pikiell, North Carolina
Grace Weigand, Notre Dame
McKenna Harden, North Carolina
Alexis Niblock,USC
Kennedy Everson, Duke
Olivia Adamson, Syracuse
Maddie Dora, USC
Caitlin McElwee, JMU/Clemson
Kate Miller, Virginia
Hailey Russo, Maryland
Jordyn Case, Stanford
Jade Catlin, Virginia Tech/UMass Lowell
Annabel Frist, Stanford
Christina Gagnon, USC
Emily Messinese, Navy
Grace Muldoon, Richmond
Kerry Nease, Freeman (Va.), Duke
Mattie Shearer, Duke
Samantha Smith, Northwestern
Madison Sterling, Maryland
Sammy White, Northwestern
Paris Colgain, Johns Hopkins
Shannon Garvey, Virginia
Kennedy Major, Maryland
Reilly Traynor, Duke
Emily Lamparter, Maryland/Clemson
Leah Warehime, Georgetown

[njbill]

I don’t know if they still have hardcopy programs, but at least the last time I went to the game, which was a couple of years ago, they had them. Take a look in the back and flip through the names of alumni who played in the game in the past (since inception in 2006). It is a veritable who’s who of the great college players. In fact, I daresay that it would be very difficult to find the name of a college superstar who didn’t play in the Under Armour senior game.

[njbill]

Back to the list. Jersey only got two players this year. Seems low, but what can you do. I think one year we got nine players, which was our all-time high by a wide margin.

[LaxGnome22]

Here’s a question that I am not sure anyone has had experience with. My daughter has been getting hits on her still active sports recruit page the last week. Two top 30 teams multiple times. She’s been committed since September. Is this normal? She hits Live Love Lax next weekend for the start of the final tournaments (thank god). I have heard comments in the past that it happens depending on the sliminess of the coach. Has this happened to anyone?