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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 10:18 am
by 6ftstick
RedFromMI wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:01 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:34 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:16 am
6ftstick wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:11 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:26 am
6ftstick wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:21 am 95326471_10222782782307791_789160855789895680_n.jpg
How long did it last? 6-7 months?
Guess experts knew at the start that only 100K would die. And it would only last 7 months. Why worry?
You didn’t answer a simple question.
Let me help you, 6ft.
That pandemic looked and felt like a bad flu, something that varies year to year, but is pretty darn inevitably going to come and go.
It turned out to be worse than just a bad flu, 1.5-3X worse.
But no real risk of overwhelmed hospital systems.

This one had clear dynamics that were way, way worse.
Much faster spread, much more deadly fast.

That was obvious out of the gate, at least if you were listening to the scientists, watching what was happening in Wuhan.

And weren't trying desperately to ignore it. Ostrich.
And there were no "flu" tests available in 1969. So a lot of the determination of the depth of the problem were after the fact - looking at excess mortality.
Which makes my point. No expert knew the possible outcome of the pandemic. When 10's of thou=sands were dying. But life went on.

Do you even remember the Asian Flu pandemic in 1968.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 10:19 am
by kramerica.inc
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:57 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:08 am
That was the plan all along- shelter in place, “flatten the curve” Make sure there are beds available in hospitals.

The US has largely done that.

Essential workers have gotten it and developed herd immunity. It’s time for those who were staying home
to get it.
Have essential workers actually developed 'herd immunity'?
Could you provide some data on that?

I read this a little differently.
Sounds to me that despite trying to stay away from the virus some folks haven't been able to completely do so and it has sent them into the hospital, some to die.

What will happen when all those start actually not trying to stay away?

The demographic data appears to suggest that where the virus has struck hardest among those attempting to stay away is in communities with high % of essential workers who bring it home or into their proximate, dense communities. Lower income workers especially.
So the point of social isolation was to ensure our hospitals and respources werent overwhelmed. A major wave has gone through. We've "flattened the curve." Hospitals have capacity. States are reopening. Time to move on.

That's not to say many more people won't get sick, and more people won't die. But unfortunately, that's life. Just like there are risks out there with a million other things in the world- car accidents, seasonal flu, smoking.

If you want to lessen your chances, take precautions- wear a seatbelt, get a flu vaccine, don't smoke. But still bad things happen.

Want to improve your chances of NOT getting Corona? Limit large crowds, wear a mask, wash your hands. But bad things still happen. You can't live in fear forever.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 10:32 am
by RedFromMI
6ftstick wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:18 am
RedFromMI wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:01 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:34 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:16 am
6ftstick wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:11 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:26 am
6ftstick wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:21 am 95326471_10222782782307791_789160855789895680_n.jpg
How long did it last? 6-7 months?
Guess experts knew at the start that only 100K would die. And it would only last 7 months. Why worry?
You didn’t answer a simple question.
Let me help you, 6ft.
That pandemic looked and felt like a bad flu, something that varies year to year, but is pretty darn inevitably going to come and go.
It turned out to be worse than just a bad flu, 1.5-3X worse.
But no real risk of overwhelmed hospital systems.

This one had clear dynamics that were way, way worse.
Much faster spread, much more deadly fast.

That was obvious out of the gate, at least if you were listening to the scientists, watching what was happening in Wuhan.

And weren't trying desperately to ignore it. Ostrich.
And there were no "flu" tests available in 1969. So a lot of the determination of the depth of the problem were after the fact - looking at excess mortality.
Which makes my point. No expert knew the possible outcome of the pandemic. When 10's of thou=sands were dying. But life went on.

Do you even remember the Asian Flu pandemic in 1968.
No. But in the current pandemic you have a problem that is so much worse you cannot compare it. We have an official death toll of basically 75K as of now, over a period spanning about 5 weeks (yes I know that there were deaths before 5 weeks ago, but that is when the toll started zooming up).

We have "achieved" that low total of 75K (real total probably well in excess of 100K at this time) with some real interventions that were not present in the 60s. If no intervention the death count could easily be working its way to many hundreds of thousands, including even more excess deaths because our health systems (built to be minimally adequate capacity wise) would be so overrun by cases that many emergency cases would be left to die.

If we had faced this particular virus in 1968/1969 - millions would be dying.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:07 am
by Typical Lax Dad
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:19 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:57 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:08 am
That was the plan all along- shelter in place, “flatten the curve” Make sure there are beds available in hospitals.

The US has largely done that.

Essential workers have gotten it and developed herd immunity. It’s time for those who were staying home
to get it.
Have essential workers actually developed 'herd immunity'?
Could you provide some data on that?

I read this a little differently.
Sounds to me that despite trying to stay away from the virus some folks haven't been able to completely do so and it has sent them into the hospital, some to die.

What will happen when all those start actually not trying to stay away?

The demographic data appears to suggest that where the virus has struck hardest among those attempting to stay away is in communities with high % of essential workers who bring it home or into their proximate, dense communities. Lower income workers especially.
So the point of social isolation was to ensure our hospitals and respources werent overwhelmed. A major wave has gone through. We've "flattened the curve." Hospitals have capacity. States are reopening. Time to move on.

That's not to say many more people won't get sick, and more people won't die. But unfortunately, that's life. Just like there are risks out there with a million other things in the world- car accidents, seasonal flu, smoking.

If you want to lessen your chances, take precautions- wear a seatbelt, get a flu vaccine, don't smoke. But still bad things happen.

Want to improve your chances of NOT getting Corona? Limit large crowds, wear a mask, wash your hands. But bad things still happen. You can't live in fear forever.
I am not sure I have read anywhere that the plan was to shut down until a vaccine was found. The Trump Administration has provided guidelines for re-engaging and local governments had issued advisories as well. I am not sure a single recommendation was shelter in place until a vaccine is found or until everyone can be tested weekly. If so, provide a link.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:14 am
by Kismet
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:07 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:19 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:57 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:08 am
That was the plan all along- shelter in place, “flatten the curve” Make sure there are beds available in hospitals.

The US has largely done that.

Essential workers have gotten it and developed herd immunity. It’s time for those who were staying home
to get it.
Have essential workers actually developed 'herd immunity'?
Could you provide some data on that?

I read this a little differently.
Sounds to me that despite trying to stay away from the virus some folks haven't been able to completely do so and it has sent them into the hospital, some to die.

What will happen when all those start actually not trying to stay away?

The demographic data appears to suggest that where the virus has struck hardest among those attempting to stay away is in communities with high % of essential workers who bring it home or into their proximate, dense communities. Lower income workers especially.
So the point of social isolation was to ensure our hospitals and respources werent overwhelmed. A major wave has gone through. We've "flattened the curve." Hospitals have capacity. States are reopening. Time to move on.

That's not to say many more people won't get sick, and more people won't die. But unfortunately, that's life. Just like there are risks out there with a million other things in the world- car accidents, seasonal flu, smoking.

If you want to lessen your chances, take precautions- wear a seatbelt, get a flu vaccine, don't smoke. But still bad things happen.

Want to improve your chances of NOT getting Corona? Limit large crowds, wear a mask, wash your hands. But bad things still happen. You can't live in fear forever.
I am not sure I have read anywhere that the plan was to shut down until a vaccine was found. The Trump Administration has provided guidelines for re-engaging and local governments had issued advisories as well. I am not sure a single recommendation was shelter in place until a vaccine is found or until everyone can be tested weekly. If so, provide a link.
Its kinda irrelevant now that the CDC has shelved the guidelines for re-opening that they spent weeks developing

https://apnews.com/7a00d5fba3249e573d2e ... ce=Twitter

This enables the administration to shift the responsibility (and any blame) for things that might not go well onto the individual states.
Sad but typical for this crowd. Have to wonder what Drs. Birx and Fauci think of all this?

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:28 am
by 6ftstick
Kismet wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:14 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:07 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:19 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:57 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:08 am
That was the plan all along- shelter in place, “flatten the curve” Make sure there are beds available in hospitals.

The US has largely done that.

Essential workers have gotten it and developed herd immunity. It’s time for those who were staying home
to get it.
Have essential workers actually developed 'herd immunity'?
Could you provide some data on that?

I read this a little differently.
Sounds to me that despite trying to stay away from the virus some folks haven't been able to completely do so and it has sent them into the hospital, some to die.

What will happen when all those start actually not trying to stay away?

The demographic data appears to suggest that where the virus has struck hardest among those attempting to stay away is in communities with high % of essential workers who bring it home or into their proximate, dense communities. Lower income workers especially.
So the point of social isolation was to ensure our hospitals and respources werent overwhelmed. A major wave has gone through. We've "flattened the curve." Hospitals have capacity. States are reopening. Time to move on.

That's not to say many more people won't get sick, and more people won't die. But unfortunately, that's life. Just like there are risks out there with a million other things in the world- car accidents, seasonal flu, smoking.

If you want to lessen your chances, take precautions- wear a seatbelt, get a flu vaccine, don't smoke. But still bad things happen.

Want to improve your chances of NOT getting Corona? Limit large crowds, wear a mask, wash your hands. But bad things still happen. You can't live in fear forever.
I am not sure I have read anywhere that the plan was to shut down until a vaccine was found. The Trump Administration has provided guidelines for re-engaging and local governments had issued advisories as well. I am not sure a single recommendation was shelter in place until a vaccine is found or until everyone can be tested weekly. If so, provide a link.
Its kinda irrelevant now that the CDC has shelved the guidelines for re-opening that they spent weeks developing

https://apnews.com/7a00d5fba3249e573d2e ... ce=Twitter

This enables the administration to shift the responsibility (and any blame) for things that might not go well onto the individual states.
Sad but typical for this crowd. Have to wonder what Drs. Birx and Fauci think of all this?
SO which is it skippy. The president doesn't have the constitutional power to order the country to reopen, its up to each individual state —which all of you were bleating just weeks ago. You even brought up the 9th and 10 the amendments to make your points. Or The President does have the power constitutionally and since he isn't he's shirking his duty.

Make up your freakin minds

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:31 am
by Typical Lax Dad
6ftstick wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:28 am
Kismet wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:14 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:07 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:19 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:57 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:08 am
That was the plan all along- shelter in place, “flatten the curve” Make sure there are beds available in hospitals.

The US has largely done that.

Essential workers have gotten it and developed herd immunity. It’s time for those who were staying home
to get it.
Have essential workers actually developed 'herd immunity'?
Could you provide some data on that?

I read this a little differently.
Sounds to me that despite trying to stay away from the virus some folks haven't been able to completely do so and it has sent them into the hospital, some to die.

What will happen when all those start actually not trying to stay away?

The demographic data appears to suggest that where the virus has struck hardest among those attempting to stay away is in communities with high % of essential workers who bring it home or into their proximate, dense communities. Lower income workers especially.
So the point of social isolation was to ensure our hospitals and respources werent overwhelmed. A major wave has gone through. We've "flattened the curve." Hospitals have capacity. States are reopening. Time to move on.

That's not to say many more people won't get sick, and more people won't die. But unfortunately, that's life. Just like there are risks out there with a million other things in the world- car accidents, seasonal flu, smoking.

If you want to lessen your chances, take precautions- wear a seatbelt, get a flu vaccine, don't smoke. But still bad things happen.

Want to improve your chances of NOT getting Corona? Limit large crowds, wear a mask, wash your hands. But bad things still happen. You can't live in fear forever.
I am not sure I have read anywhere that the plan was to shut down until a vaccine was found. The Trump Administration has provided guidelines for re-engaging and local governments had issued advisories as well. I am not sure a single recommendation was shelter in place until a vaccine is found or until everyone can be tested weekly. If so, provide a link.
Its kinda irrelevant now that the CDC has shelved the guidelines for re-opening that they spent weeks developing

https://apnews.com/7a00d5fba3249e573d2e ... ce=Twitter

This enables the administration to shift the responsibility (and any blame) for things that might not go well onto the individual states.
Sad but typical for this crowd. Have to wonder what Drs. Birx and Fauci think of all this?
SO which is it skippy. The president doesn't have the constitutional power to order the country to reopen, its up to each individual state —which all of you were bleating just weeks ago. You even brought up the 9th and 10 the amendments to make your points. Or The President does have the power constitutionally and since he isn't he's shirking his duty.

Make up your freakin minds
The expertise is in the CDC. It would be helpful to the USA if state government had the ability to consider the judgement from the subject matter experts. Are you an educator?

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:36 am
by tech37
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:31 am
6ftstick wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:28 am
Kismet wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:14 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:07 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:19 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:57 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:08 am
That was the plan all along- shelter in place, “flatten the curve” Make sure there are beds available in hospitals.

The US has largely done that.

Essential workers have gotten it and developed herd immunity. It’s time for those who were staying home
to get it.
Have essential workers actually developed 'herd immunity'?
Could you provide some data on that?

I read this a little differently.
Sounds to me that despite trying to stay away from the virus some folks haven't been able to completely do so and it has sent them into the hospital, some to die.

What will happen when all those start actually not trying to stay away?

The demographic data appears to suggest that where the virus has struck hardest among those attempting to stay away is in communities with high % of essential workers who bring it home or into their proximate, dense communities. Lower income workers especially.
So the point of social isolation was to ensure our hospitals and respources werent overwhelmed. A major wave has gone through. We've "flattened the curve." Hospitals have capacity. States are reopening. Time to move on.

That's not to say many more people won't get sick, and more people won't die. But unfortunately, that's life. Just like there are risks out there with a million other things in the world- car accidents, seasonal flu, smoking.

If you want to lessen your chances, take precautions- wear a seatbelt, get a flu vaccine, don't smoke. But still bad things happen.

Want to improve your chances of NOT getting Corona? Limit large crowds, wear a mask, wash your hands. But bad things still happen. You can't live in fear forever.
I am not sure I have read anywhere that the plan was to shut down until a vaccine was found. The Trump Administration has provided guidelines for re-engaging and local governments had issued advisories as well. I am not sure a single recommendation was shelter in place until a vaccine is found or until everyone can be tested weekly. If so, provide a link.
Its kinda irrelevant now that the CDC has shelved the guidelines for re-opening that they spent weeks developing

https://apnews.com/7a00d5fba3249e573d2e ... ce=Twitter

This enables the administration to shift the responsibility (and any blame) for things that might not go well onto the individual states.
Sad but typical for this crowd. Have to wonder what Drs. Birx and Fauci think of all this?
SO which is it skippy. The president doesn't have the constitutional power to order the country to reopen, its up to each individual state —which all of you were bleating just weeks ago. You even brought up the 9th and 10 the amendments to make your points. Or The President does have the power constitutionally and since he isn't he's shirking his duty.

Make up your freakin minds
The expertise is in the CDC. It would be helpful to the USA if state government had the ability to consider the judgement from the subject matter experts. Are you an educator?
Expertise? Based on how they handled the initial test debacle, that's questionable.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:38 am
by Typical Lax Dad
tech37 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:36 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:31 am
6ftstick wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:28 am
Kismet wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:14 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:07 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:19 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:57 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:08 am
That was the plan all along- shelter in place, “flatten the curve” Make sure there are beds available in hospitals.

The US has largely done that.

Essential workers have gotten it and developed herd immunity. It’s time for those who were staying home
to get it.
Have essential workers actually developed 'herd immunity'?
Could you provide some data on that?

I read this a little differently.
Sounds to me that despite trying to stay away from the virus some folks haven't been able to completely do so and it has sent them into the hospital, some to die.

What will happen when all those start actually not trying to stay away?

The demographic data appears to suggest that where the virus has struck hardest among those attempting to stay away is in communities with high % of essential workers who bring it home or into their proximate, dense communities. Lower income workers especially.
So the point of social isolation was to ensure our hospitals and respources werent overwhelmed. A major wave has gone through. We've "flattened the curve." Hospitals have capacity. States are reopening. Time to move on.

That's not to say many more people won't get sick, and more people won't die. But unfortunately, that's life. Just like there are risks out there with a million other things in the world- car accidents, seasonal flu, smoking.

If you want to lessen your chances, take precautions- wear a seatbelt, get a flu vaccine, don't smoke. But still bad things happen.

Want to improve your chances of NOT getting Corona? Limit large crowds, wear a mask, wash your hands. But bad things still happen. You can't live in fear forever.
I am not sure I have read anywhere that the plan was to shut down until a vaccine was found. The Trump Administration has provided guidelines for re-engaging and local governments had issued advisories as well. I am not sure a single recommendation was shelter in place until a vaccine is found or until everyone can be tested weekly. If so, provide a link.
Its kinda irrelevant now that the CDC has shelved the guidelines for re-opening that they spent weeks developing

https://apnews.com/7a00d5fba3249e573d2e ... ce=Twitter

This enables the administration to shift the responsibility (and any blame) for things that might not go well onto the individual states.
Sad but typical for this crowd. Have to wonder what Drs. Birx and Fauci think of all this?
SO which is it skippy. The president doesn't have the constitutional power to order the country to reopen, its up to each individual state —which all of you were bleating just weeks ago. You even brought up the 9th and 10 the amendments to make your points. Or The President does have the power constitutionally and since he isn't he's shirking his duty.

Make up your freakin minds
The expertise is in the CDC. It would be helpful to the USA if state government had the ability to consider the judgement from the subject matter experts. Are you an educator?
Expertise? Based on how they handled the initial test debacle, that's questionable.
So the folks in the CDC have no expertise and you can find repositories of that same bank of knowledge in each state? That’s your position?

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:42 am
by tech37
:roll: No, that's your position based on what I questioned.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:46 am
by 6ftstick
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:38 am
So the folks in the CDC have no expertise and you can find repositories of that same bank of knowledge in each state? That’s your position?
[/quote]

so who says they don't.

Governors and state health officials have NO ACCESS to the CDC?

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:48 am
by 6ftstick
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:34 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:16 am
6ftstick wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:11 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:26 am
6ftstick wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:21 am 95326471_10222782782307791_789160855789895680_n.jpg
How long did it last? 6-7 months?
Guess experts knew at the start that only 100K would die. And it would only last 7 months. Why worry?
You didn’t answer a simple question.
Let me help you, 6ft.
That pandemic looked and felt like a bad flu, something that varies year to year, but is pretty darn inevitably going to come and go.
It turned out to be worse than just a bad flu, 1.5-3X worse.
But no real risk of overwhelmed hospital systems.

This one had clear dynamics that were way, way worse.
Much faster spread, much more deadly fast.

That was obvious out of the gate, at least if you were listening to the scientists, watching what was happening in Wuhan.

And weren't trying desperately to ignore it. Ostrich.
So let me understand your point.

If the threat isn't scary bad 100K dead is OK

But a big scary pandemic 100K dead is way too many.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:49 am
by seacoaster
The Chairman of the JCS:

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4962 ... Bk.twitter

"The Pentagon’s top uniformed official on Tuesday maintained that available evidence indicates the virus that has caused a global pandemic was natural and not man-made or released purposely from a Chinese lab.

“The weight of evidence — nothing’s conclusive — the weight of evidence is that it was natural and not man-made,” Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Army Gen. Mark Milley said of the coronavirus.

“The second issue is, was it accidentally released, did it release naturally into the environment or was it intentional? We don’t have conclusive evidence in any of that, but the weight of evidence is that it was probably not intentional,” he told reporters at the Pentagon.

Milley added that “various agencies, both civilian and U.S. government, are looking at” the issue of where the virus originated.

The Trump administration this month stepped up efforts to blame China for the pandemic, with top officials including President Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo pushing the unverified theory that the virus was created by Chinese researchers or accidentally released by a lab in Wuhan, China, where it was being studied.

Trump, who has come under consistent scrutiny for his own slow response to the virus domestically, has repeatedly accused China of covering up the outbreak and claimed there is significant evidence that the virus emanated from a Wuhan lab — though has not actually provided any evidence."

The pity of it is that Brad Parscale will be the principal messenger on this issue, like everything else: facts, science and sound public policy subordinated to reelection.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:50 am
by Kismet
6ftstick wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:28 am SO which is it skippy. The president doesn't have the constitutional power to order the country to reopen, its up to each individual state —which all of you were bleating just weeks ago. You even brought up the 9th and 10 the amendments to make your points. Or The President does have the power constitutionally and since he isn't he's shirking his duty.

Make up your freakin minds
First off, they were GUIDELINES not Laws or requirements. If they weren't responsible then why the eff did they prepare them in the first place?

But missing the point is not a bug but rather a feature with you as evidenced by your faulty reference about what I said about the 9th/10th amendments.
As an alleged expert in on The Bill of Rights you fail once again. Failure on your part is not apparently limited to the BoR either. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:54 am
by 6ftstick
Kismet wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:50 am
6ftstick wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:28 am SO which is it skippy. The president doesn't have the constitutional power to order the country to reopen, its up to each individual state —which all of you were bleating just weeks ago. You even brought up the 9th and 10 the amendments to make your points. Or The President does have the power constitutionally and since he isn't he's shirking his duty.

Make up your freakin minds
First off, they were GUIDELINES not Laws or requirements. If they weren't responsible then why the eff did they prepare them in the first place?

But missing the point is not a bug but rather a feature with you as evidenced by your faulty reference about what I said about the 9th/10th amendments.
As a alleged expert in on The Bill of Rights you fail once again.
Because they assumed CORRECtLY that the states were so badly prepared to close down to fight the pandemic they'd need help reopening.

Until the left and there media amplifier went ballistic.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 12:02 pm
by jhu72

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 12:18 pm
by Peter Brown
It appears as if New York seeded the entire country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/n ... break.html

‘But Florida beaches....’

Anyone still touting Cuomo?

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 12:18 pm
by a fan
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:19 am So the point of social isolation was to ensure our hospitals and respources werent overwhelmed. A major wave has gone through. We've "flattened the curve." Hospitals have capacity. States are reopening. Time to move on.

That's not to say many more people won't get sick, and more people won't die. But unfortunately, that's life. Just like there are risks out there with a million other things in the world- car accidents, seasonal flu, smoking.

If you want to lessen your chances, take precautions- wear a seatbelt, get a flu vaccine, don't smoke. But still bad things happen.

Want to improve your chances of NOT getting Corona? Limit large crowds, wear a mask, wash your hands. But bad things still happen. You can't live in fear forever.
Yes. But it's a question of risk assessment. And right now, our hopes are pinned on the idea that this virus isn't as bad as we thought. We simply don't have the tools to get back at it in a systematic, scientific manner.

Who else here is in management? What are you looking at before you start heading into an air conditioned office? Or get on a plane for a meeting?

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 12:26 pm
by 6ftstick
A grateful Governor!

Samaritan's Purse, other workers who came to NY for coronavirus fight must pay state income tax, Cuomo says

https://www.foxnews.com/us/samaritans-p ... -tax-cuomo

And grateful New York councilman.

"This group, which is led by the notoriously bigoted, hate-spewing Franklin Graham, came at a time when our city couldn’t in good conscience turn away any offer of help," said Speaker Corey Johnson on Friday. "That time has passed. Their continued presence here is an affront to our values of inclusion, and is painful for all New Yorkers who care deeply about the LGBTQ community."


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... leave-city

Unbelievable.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 12:46 pm
by DMac
Peter Brown wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:18 pm It appears as if New York seeded the entire country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/n ... break.html

‘But Florida beaches....’

Anyone still touting Cuomo?
Yes, I am. I think he's been doing a heck of a job. He speaks in complete sentences, tells it as best he can with the information he's given. Has been realistic but you can't deal with what you don't know....and there's still a whole lot to be learned about this virus. To say NY seeded the entire country is an irresponsible jab on your part. Had anyone known what they know now (20-20 hindsight) I'm sure things would have run differently. The initial focus was on China, meanwhile countless numbers passed through NY coming from Europe....who, other than you, knew that was a big mistake?
For those who can't see the article (it's a little choppy in that charts don't print but you can still get the gist):

Travel From New York City Seeded Wave of U.S. Outbreaks
The coronavirus outbreak in New York City became the primary source of infections around the United States, researchers have found.

By Benedict Carey and James Glanz
May 7, 2020
Updated 8:36 a.m. ET

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New York City’s coronavirus outbreak grew so large by early March that the city became the primary source of new infections in the United States, new research reveals, as thousands of infected people traveled from the city and seeded outbreaks around the country.

The research indicates that a wave of infections swept from New York City through much of the country before the city began setting social distancing limits to stop the growth. That helped to fuel outbreaks in Louisiana, Texas, Arizona and as far away as the West Coast.

The findings are drawn from geneticists’ tracking signature mutations of the virus, travel histories of infected people and models of the outbreak by infectious disease experts.

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“We now have enough data to feel pretty confident that New York was the primary gateway for the rest of the country,” said Nathan Grubaugh, an epidemiologist at the Yale School of Public Health.


Early analysis of genetic samples indicates that more infections across the country came from a line of the virus associated with the outbreak in New York City, shown in red, than from a line associated with the outbreak in Washington State, shown in yellow.

Percent of genetic samples related to each area

Washington State

New York City

100%

50%

0%

50%

100%

States on the West Coast

Washington

53%

42%

California

32%

50%

Viruses that spread from Washington early on carry a distinct genetic signature.



But even on the West Coast, samples related to New York are common.

Oregon

30%

50%

Alaska

80%

0%

Other Western states

Wyoming

31%

69%

Texas

4%

70%

Arizona

6%

84%

Utah

9%

89%

Idaho

0%

98%

Midwestern states

Illinois

27%

45%

Minnesota

15%

72%

Wisconsin

4%

78%

Ohio

0%

88%

Iowa

0%

100%

Southern states

Georgia

0%

30%

Virginia

11%

78%

Every sample from Louisiana, a hot spot for the virus, was related to New York.

Louisiana

0%

100%

Northeastern states

Connecticut

12%

81%

New Jersey

7%

93%

Maryland

0%

92%

The genetic line associated with New York can be traced back to Europe.

New York

1%

94%

Massachusetts

0%

94%

Note: Scientists have thus far sequenced only a small fraction of total infections, so the distribution of genetic lines could change as more samples are analyzed. States with fewer than 10 samples were left off the chart. Georgia, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Oregon and Wyoming all had fewer than 20 samples. Percentages may not add up to 100 because additional genetic lines are omitted.Source: NextstrainBy Derek Watkins
The central role of New York’s outbreak shows that decisions made by state and federal officials — including waiting to impose distancing measures and to limit international flights — helped shape the trajectory of the outbreak and allowed it to grow in the rest of the country.

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The city joins other densely populated urban hot spots around the world, starting with Wuhan, China, and then Milan, that have become vectors for the virus’s spread.

Travel from other American cities also sparked infections across the country, including from an early outbreak centered in the Seattle area that seeded infections in more than a dozen states, researchers say. Even if New York had managed to slow the virus, it probably would have continued to spread from elsewhere, they say.

But the Seattle outbreak proved to be a squall before the larger storm gathering in New York, where, at the end of February, thousands of infected people packed trains and restaurants, thronged tourist attractions and passed through its three major airports.

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During crucial weeks in March, New York’s political leaders waited to take aggressive action, even after identifying hundreds of cases, giving the virus a head start. And by mid-March, when President Trump restricted travel from Europe, the restrictions were essentially pointless, the data suggest, as the disease was already spreading widely within the country.

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