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socalref wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:35 pm The NCAA and college sports programs have been finding ways to screw kids for years. Good on him for using the rules to his benefit. And maybe that IS the real life lesson.

Is that a worthwhile "life lesson"?

Not sure exactly what's meant by that statement, so asking, not disagreeing (yet).

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:39 am

Surfs_Up wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:51 am Does anyone have a link to the podcast with TD?

i would advise against it.

why?

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:19 am

socalref wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:35 pm The NCAA and college sports programs have been finding ways to screw kids for years. Good on him for using the rules to his benefit. And maybe that IS the real life lesson.

Is that a worthwhile "life lesson"?

Not sure exactly what's meant by that statement, so asking, not disagreeing (yet).

College athletes get some decent perks at most schools, but they largely don't get the same college experience as the other students. Most of the kids on a lacrosse team roster won't see a dime of athletic scholarship money and they put in long hours every week. They are largely "at will" employees of the coaches who can do with them as they please and there are no contracts or guarantees. While lacrosse is not the NCAA breadwinner of some other sports, the lacrosse kids are under the same umbrella and history has shown the NCAA is a money making enterprise and the they do it on the sweat equity of the players. There are great rewards with the experience but there is also a cost.

Most of us get to reflect back on those days with the benefit of 20/20 hind site and a nice rose colored tint. These kids are dealing with it in real time.

Life isn't going to hand most of these guys anything unless they take the risk, push the envelope, and challenge the status quo. There is certainly a lesson in that experience.

socalref wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:44 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:19 am

socalref wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:35 pm The NCAA and college sports programs have been finding ways to screw kids for years. Good on him for using the rules to his benefit. And maybe that IS the real life lesson.

Is that a worthwhile "life lesson"?

Not sure exactly what's meant by that statement, so asking, not disagreeing (yet).

College athletes get some decent perks at most schools, but they largely don't get the same college experience as the other students. Most of the kids on a lacrosse team roster won't see a dime of athletic scholarship money and they put in long hours every week. They are largely "at will" employees of the coaches who can do with them as they please and there are no contracts or guarantees. While lacrosse is not the NCAA breadwinner of some other sports, the lacrosse kids are under the same umbrella and history has shown the NCAA is a money making enterprise and the they do it on the sweat equity of the players. There are great rewards with the experience but there is also a cost.

Most of us get to reflect back on those days with the benefit of 20/20 hind site and a nice rose colored tint. These kids are dealing with it in real time.

Life isn't going to hand most of these guys anything unless they take the risk, push the envelope, and challenge the status quo. There is certainly a lesson in that experience.

My dad and I both had intense experiences, certainly challenging and requiring major sacrifices to achieve our personal and team goals. I don’t think the NCAA or our colleges made a nickel off our play. We could each have walked away at any time for any reason, no financial tie. Coaches certainly weren’t always pleasant, certainly didn’t play us each game we thought we deserved to play. But we could have walked away. We both would have said we received far more from the experience than we invested, both were integral our team’s success. Both attended’stretch’ schools as a result of lax.

Of course that was decades ago.

My son’s experience was this past decade, he too graduated from a ‘stretch’ school. He definitely faced much more pressurized situation,coaches making dumb decisions, dumb demands to play injured etc, not get surgery. And certainly bigger time commitment. He had only one season out of four in which he was mostly healthy though even that ended with a concussion, but in that year he was a star player, personally responsible for multiple key wins.

NCAA didn’t make a nickel off his play, no financial ties, he could have walked away at any time. But he valued the team experience and committed himself to it.

I’m just not seeing the positive ‘life lesson’ of a player bouncing around schools and teams somehow enabled to bend rules or have them ignored for him in particular. Put personal ambitions above team?

Not saying this TD s situation as I don’t know enough, but that’s why I’m asking.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:14 pm I’m just not seeing the positive ‘life lesson’ of a player bouncing around schools and teams somehow enabled to bend rules or have them ignored for him in particular. Put personal ambitions above team?

Not saying this TD s situation as I don’t know enough, but that’s why I’m asking.

I see that point too and understand. The friends and coaches my son has had on his various programs have often outweighed the chances they had to win championships, but I also know there are always guys that put that prize first and I'm not going to judge them for that. He's on a program now that will most likely never play in May, but the experience and memories will hopefully serve him well in the years ahead. That said, there are always players on teams who will drag the team ahead on their coattails chasing a personal goal.

As for the NCAA and colleges, the TV and marketing money they get off the high profile players and teams isn't a small thing. I'm not saying they owe the kids anything for that, but I'm not going to find fault with a player pushing the rules and boundaries to reach their own goals. I don't know all the ins and outs of this transfer, so I can't comment one way or the other if rules have actually been broken. If they haven't been, I stand by my initial comment good for him for chasing his goals.

As a point of reference, I went to 3 middle schools, 3 high schools, and 3 colleges.

socalref wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:44 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:19 am

socalref wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:35 pm The NCAA and college sports programs have been finding ways to screw kids for years. Good on him for using the rules to his benefit. And maybe that IS the real life lesson.

Is that a worthwhile "life lesson"?

Not sure exactly what's meant by that statement, so asking, not disagreeing (yet).

College athletes get some decent perks at most schools, but they largely don't get the same college experience as the other students. Most of the kids on a lacrosse team roster won't see a dime of athletic scholarship money and they put in long hours every week. They are largely "at will" employees of the coaches who can do with them as they please and there are no contracts or guarantees. While lacrosse is not the NCAA breadwinner of some other sports, the lacrosse kids are under the same umbrella and history has shown the NCAA is a money making enterprise and the they do it on the sweat equity of the players. There are great rewards with the experience but there is also a cost.

Most of us get to reflect back on those days with the benefit of 20/20 hind site and a nice rose colored tint. These kids are dealing with it in real time.

Life isn't going to hand most of these guys anything unless they take the risk, push the envelope, and challenge the status quo. There is certainly a lesson in that experience.

As the Dead Prez once rapped: "If you're coming gangster
then bring on the system
And show that you ready to ride
Till we get our freedom
We got to get over
Please steady on the grind"

socalref wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:25 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:14 pm I’m just not seeing the positive ‘life lesson’ of a player bouncing around schools and teams somehow enabled to bend rules or have them ignored for him in particular. Put personal ambitions above team?

Not saying this TD s situation as I don’t know enough, but that’s why I’m asking.

I see that point too and understand. The friends and coaches my son has had on his various programs have often outweighed the chances they had to win championships, but I also know there are always guys that put that prize first and I'm not going to judge them for that. He's on a program now that will most likely never play in May, but the experience and memories will hopefully serve him well in the years ahead. That said, there are always players on teams who will drag the team ahead on their coattails chasing a personal goal.

As for the NCAA and colleges, the TV and marketing money they get off the high profile players and teams isn't a small thing. I'm not saying they owe the kids anything for that, but I'm not going to find fault with a player pushing the rules and boundaries to reach their own goals. I don't know all the ins and outs of this transfer, so I can't comment one way or the other if rules have actually been broken. If they haven't been, I stand by my initial comment good for him for chasing his goals.

As a point of reference, I went to 3 middle schools, 3 high schools, and 3 colleges.

Thanks and that's a lot of schools!

I don't have an issue with a kid pursuing their dreams (heck, who among us hasn't done that to some extent and been the better for it!), even if that means moving schools, and even better if it's an opportunity to improve or expand upon educational experience, but I'm not a big fan of any bending of rules to do so. (That said, the pandemic does create a unique dynamic).

One nit, I really don't think that in our little sport, the NCAA is netting a darn thing nor are the colleges, from the teams or the players. Even the schools with the largest fan bases support themselves with alumni donations not any sort of marketing dollars.

You would be quite correct about sports like football and basketball, at least at some schools, but not lax.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:22 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:39 am

Surfs_Up wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:51 am Does anyone have a link to the podcast with TD?

i would advise against it.

why?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 1544042615

go for it!

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:01 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:22 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:39 am

Surfs_Up wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:51 am Does anyone have a link to the podcast with TD?

i would advise against it.

why?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 1544042615

go for it!

yikes...over an hour!
I get it...

So I get TD wants to go to Denver and play his senior season. Good for him!

But Yale...doesn't have to take him back, right? I mean (and correct me if I'm wrong) in general they aren't a big fan of allowing transfers in, but they made an exception for him to transfer in from Albany. Would they (and not Shay, but the administration) really admit him back after him going to Denver? Like...what's in it for the school at that point? Yes, he's already been admitted and spent a year (?) at Yale, so I guess he's in the system, but why would they bend their rules twice for him. I may have the wrong perception here, but Ivy's in my view aren't the most...flexible...schools out there...

I would hope that maybe someone at Yale has a conscious and realizes that there is no reason that these kids aren’t playing like other leagues and feels some empathy for the kids that TD is benefiting from in this case by allowing him to go play and come back.

You bring up a good point, it's just possible that administrators at Yale are just trying to do right by Mr Irland.

I've had occasion to speak to members of the "W"(WW II) class at Yale, and during those times, Yale showed quite a bit of flexibility for athletes.

Im hearing Denver....?

nehslaxfan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:16 am I would hope that maybe someone at Yale has a conscious and realizes that there is no reason that these kids aren’t playing like other leagues and feels some empathy for the kids that TD is benefiting from in this case by allowing him to go play and come back.

Will Yale take transfer credits? Can he go to Denver and transfer the credit to Yale and graduate? How many Ivy league players are going to take the spring off from school to protect eligibility? It seems like the Ivies are not looking at the science.