January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

[PizzaSnake]

We're not confident that the FBi & DoJ will unearth sufficient evidence of a conspiracy, so we need an extralegal political mechanism to establish that conspiracy, ...before the 2022 election.

You want, instead, to deep six Republican complicity with and encouragement in an uprising that overwhelmed the cops, stormed through the private offices of elected representatives of government, and exhibited a lawlessness that our capitol hasn't really ever seen. Check, as usual. You know, I am certain, that this needs review and investigation, every bit as much or more than most things investigated by the Congress. But your post is on brand: mock it and hide it because it will likely show GOP perfidy.

A Presidential Commission is a nice idea. Larry Sabato suggests co-chairs Bush 2 and Obama, and they choose the membership of the Commission and timetable. But the issue is subpoena power, and the ability to compel the disclosure of records and testimony.

I want the FBI & DoJ to be able do their job without political interference & to investigate/prosecute everyone they can. Then -- analyze what their investigation revealed & see what they extracted from those arrested to determine the existence & extent of whatever organized conspiracy there was. Once more is known, if regular or select Congressional committees are not sufficient, then go with a 9-11 style commission.
Let the FBI & DoJ do their job, then act upon what they find.

Meanwhile, there's no need to wait for a commission to address the security failures of Jan 6th & do what's necessary to prevent any mass demonstration in DC from devolving into an assault & breach of any federal building in DC. They need to formalize the rapid & routine mobilization & deployment of the abundant security forces in the DC area as they do for NSSE's & they did on Jan 6th. That's who reinforced the Capitol Police & DC Police to take back the Capitol before the National Guard could be recalled & get there.

Jan 6 was a massive security failure -- physical security & operational security. Had the CP & DC Metro police adequately protected the Capitol Grounds, the Capitol Building would not have been breached & it would have been just another ugly mob riot, like many others we've come to expect & accept as peaceful protests turned violent.

"I want the FBI & DoJ to be able do their job without political interference."

And if wishes were fishes..

No such thing as an absence of political interference when humans are involved. Unless of course there are practitioners of "beginner's mind" at the FBI.

[youthathletics]

So if sporting an american flag or wearing a viking hat means a deranged trumpist, what group is known for wearing all black.

You make the call....https://twitter.com/SicarioScott/status ... 4373649409

Hmmm....more of the same from a different angle, all those Trump supporters helping out.....NOT: https://twitter.com/CRenwot/status/1402 ... 43664?s=20

I hope you enjoyed your visit to Fantasy Island. These videos show that it’s all antifa’s fault? That the stupid MAGA deplorables were effectively tricked into entering the Capitol, occupying and damaging The Speaker’s office, defecating on the floor, preparing hangman’s nooses, yelling for Pence’s death? Gotcha.

There has to be a hotline to help you get help. Prayers won’t fix it.

Thank you pivot master...

We can walk and chew gum correct? Correct! Picture a civil protest, then picture it going wrong. Face it, people are stupid....unlike you and I that have common sense and use civility. Blaming trump supporters for breaking windows and the doors down....appears not factual in the eye test and video evidence. Now of course the idiots in Viking hats pile on....you know, kinda like people engulfing a Wendys in fire or looting stores. And before you say "but this was the capitol' remember some people are stupid.....and stupid has no race, creed, or ethnicity boundaries; well, except when the left is speaking about the right.

Be well my friend, and thanks for the continued prayers.

[seacoaster]

So if sporting an american flag or wearing a viking hat means a deranged trumpist, what group is known for wearing all black.

You make the call....https://twitter.com/SicarioScott/status ... 4373649409

Hmmm....more of the same from a different angle, all those Trump supporters helping out.....NOT: https://twitter.com/CRenwot/status/1402 ... 43664?s=20

I hope you enjoyed your visit to Fantasy Island. These videos show that it’s all antifa’s fault? That the stupid MAGA deplorables were effectively tricked into entering the Capitol, occupying and damaging The Speaker’s office, defecating on the floor, preparing hangman’s nooses, yelling for Pence’s death? Gotcha.

There has to be a hotline to help you get help. Prayers won’t fix it.

Thank you pivot master...

We can walk and chew gum correct? Correct! Picture a civil protest, then picture it going wrong. Face it, people are stupid....unlike you and I that have common sense and use civility. Blaming trump supporters for breaking windows and the doors down....appears not factual in the eye test and video evidence. Now of course the idiots in Viking hats pile on....you know, kinda like people engulfing a Wendys in fire or looting stores. And before you say "but this was the capitol' remember some people are stupid.....and stupid has no race, creed, or ethnicity boundaries; well, except when the left is speaking about the right.

Be well my friend, and thanks for the continued prayers.

Because they are wearing black and tactical outfits, they are not MAGA? Seriously? You one crazy MOFO, man.

[SCLaxAttack]

So if sporting an american flag or wearing a viking hat means a deranged trumpist, what group is known for wearing all black.

You make the call....https://twitter.com/SicarioScott/status ... 4373649409

Hmmm....more of the same from a different angle, all those Trump supporters helping out.....NOT: https://twitter.com/CRenwot/status/1402 ... 43664?s=20

I hope you enjoyed your visit to Fantasy Island. These videos show that it’s all antifa’s fault? That the stupid MAGA deplorables were effectively tricked into entering the Capitol, occupying and damaging The Speaker’s office, defecating on the floor, preparing hangman’s nooses, yelling for Pence’s death? Gotcha.

There has to be a hotline to help you get help. Prayers won’t fix it.

Thank you pivot master...

We can walk and chew gum correct? Correct! Picture a civil protest, then picture it going wrong. Face it, people are stupid....unlike you and I that have common sense and use civility. Blaming trump supporters for breaking windows and the doors down....appears not factual in the eye test and video evidence. Now of course the idiots in Viking hats pile on....you know, kinda like people engulfing a Wendys in fire or looting stores. And before you say "but this was the capitol' remember some people are stupid.....and stupid has no race, creed, or ethnicity boundaries; well, except when the left is speaking about the right.

Be well my friend, and thanks for the continued prayers.

Still going with repudiated rumors......

This guy admitted he dressed up in all black "like antifa". https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/03/02/ ... -arrested/

"Shortly after the riot, the FBI directly refuted the conspiracy theory, saying there is "no indication" that antifa — a decentralized collection of far-left groups and individuals — was involved. To date, no one who has since been charged in the attack appears to have any connection to the anti-fascist movement either." https://www.npr.org/2021/03/02/97256417 ... he-rioters

What's that you say, that article was from early March, and things have changed? Nope. There was one guy arrested who is a member of a group that protests police brutality, but "An FBI affidavit filed in support of the criminal complaint did not mention Sullivan being part of any anti-fascist groups, and we could find no other criminal history." https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... singles-o/

[Typical Lax Dad]

So if sporting an american flag or wearing a viking hat means a deranged trumpist, what group is known for wearing all black.

You make the call....https://twitter.com/SicarioScott/status ... 4373649409

Hmmm....more of the same from a different angle, all those Trump supporters helping out.....NOT: https://twitter.com/CRenwot/status/1402 ... 43664?s=20

I hope you enjoyed your visit to Fantasy Island. These videos show that it’s all antifa’s fault? That the stupid MAGA deplorables were effectively tricked into entering the Capitol, occupying and damaging The Speaker’s office, defecating on the floor, preparing hangman’s nooses, yelling for Pence’s death? Gotcha.

There has to be a hotline to help you get help. Prayers won’t fix it.

Thank you pivot master...

We can walk and chew gum correct? Correct! Picture a civil protest, then picture it going wrong. Face it, people are stupid....unlike you and I that have common sense and use civility. Blaming trump supporters for breaking windows and the doors down....appears not factual in the eye test and video evidence. Now of course the idiots in Viking hats pile on....you know, kinda like people engulfing a Wendys in fire or looting stores. And before you say "but this was the capitol' remember some people are stupid.....and stupid has no race, creed, or ethnicity boundaries; well, except when the left is speaking about the right.

Be well my friend, and thanks for the continued prayers.

Still going with repudiated rumors......

This guy admitted he dressed up in all black "like antifa". https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/03/02/ ... -arrested/

"Shortly after the riot, the FBI directly refuted the conspiracy theory, saying there is "no indication" that antifa — a decentralized collection of far-left groups and individuals — was involved. To date, no one who has since been charged in the attack appears to have any connection to the anti-fascist movement either." https://www.npr.org/2021/03/02/97256417 ... he-rioters

What's that you say, that article was from early March, and things have changed? Nope. There was one guy arrested who is a member of a group that protests police brutality, but "An FBI affidavit filed in support of the criminal complaint did not mention Sullivan being part of any anti-fascist groups, and we could find no other criminal history." https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... singles-o/

It’s called “tripe”.

[MDlaxfan76]

So if sporting an american flag or wearing a viking hat means a deranged trumpist, what group is known for wearing all black.

You make the call....https://twitter.com/SicarioScott/status ... 4373649409

Hmmm....more of the same from a different angle, all those Trump supporters helping out.....NOT: https://twitter.com/CRenwot/status/1402 ... 43664?s=20

I hope you enjoyed your visit to Fantasy Island. These videos show that it’s all antifa’s fault? That the stupid MAGA deplorables were effectively tricked into entering the Capitol, occupying and damaging The Speaker’s office, defecating on the floor, preparing hangman’s nooses, yelling for Pence’s death? Gotcha.

There has to be a hotline to help you get help. Prayers won’t fix it.

Thank you pivot master...

We can walk and chew gum correct? Correct! Picture a civil protest, then picture it going wrong. Face it, people are stupid....unlike you and I that have common sense and use civility. Blaming trump supporters for breaking windows and the doors down....appears not factual in the eye test and video evidence. Now of course the idiots in Viking hats pile on....you know, kinda like people engulfing a Wendys in fire or looting stores. And before you say "but this was the capitol' remember some people are stupid.....and stupid has no race, creed, or ethnicity boundaries; well, except when the left is speaking about the right.

Be well my friend, and thanks for the continued prayers.

Still going with repudiated rumors......

This guy admitted he dressed up in all black "like antifa". https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/03/02/ ... -arrested/

"Shortly after the riot, the FBI directly refuted the conspiracy theory, saying there is "no indication" that antifa — a decentralized collection of far-left groups and individuals — was involved. To date, no one who has since been charged in the attack appears to have any connection to the anti-fascist movement either." https://www.npr.org/2021/03/02/97256417 ... he-rioters

What's that you say, that article was from early March, and things have changed? Nope. There was one guy arrested who is a member of a group that protests police brutality, but "An FBI affidavit filed in support of the criminal complaint did not mention Sullivan being part of any anti-fascist groups, and we could find no other criminal history." https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... singles-o/

It’s called “tripe”.

Yet, strangely, some of our fellow posters seem to have ingested the tripe....and want more.

[old salt]

NBC reports * : Interior Dept IG investigation shows that Park Police decision to clear Lafayette Park on 6/1/20 was unrelated to later Trump photo op. Park Police was already engaging violent protestors & were pushing them back so an unscalable fence could be installed.

* The report says protests on May 30 and 31 "were mostly peaceful during the day," but that "acts of violence increased in the late afternoon and evenings," and that "officers reported that some protesters threw projectiles, such as bricks, rocks, caustic liquids, frozen water bottles, glass bottles, lit flares, rental scooters, and fireworks, at law enforcement officials."

A total of 49 Park Police officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery, the report says.

Historic statues in Lafayette Square, were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park's comfort station was set on fire, the report says. A fire was also set in the basement at St. John's Church on May 31, and nearby stores and businesses were looted, the report adds.

On May 31, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser ordered an 11 p .m. curfew, finding that "in the downtown area of the District of Colombia, numerous businesses and government buildings were vandalized, burned, or looted. Over the past nights, there has been a glorification of violence, particularly in the later hours of the night. ... The health, safety, and well-being of persons within the District of Colombia are threatened and endangered by the existence of these violent actions."

But the Park Police commander and the acting chief of police told investigators that the curfew was ineffective in stopping the unrest in Lafayette Square, the report says.

[PizzaSnake]

NBC reports * : Interior Dept IG investigation shows that Park Police decision to clear Lafayette Park on 6/1/20 was unrelated to later Trump photo op. Park Police was already engaging violent protestors & were pushing them back so an unscalable fence could be installed.

* The report says protests on May 30 and 31 "were mostly peaceful during the day," but that "acts of violence increased in the late afternoon and evenings," and that "officers reported that some protesters threw projectiles, such as bricks, rocks, caustic liquids, frozen water bottles, glass bottles, lit flares, rental scooters, and fireworks, at law enforcement officials."

A total of 49 Park Police officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery, the report says.

Historic statues in Lafayette Square, were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park's comfort station was set on fire, the report says. A fire was also set in the basement at St. John's Church on May 31, and nearby stores and businesses were looted, the report adds.

On May 31, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser ordered an 11 p .m. curfew, finding that "in the downtown area of the District of Colombia, numerous businesses and government buildings were vandalized, burned, or looted. Over the past nights, there has been a glorification of violence, particularly in the later hours of the night. ... The health, safety, and well-being of persons within the District of Colombia are threatened and endangered by the existence of these violent actions."

But the Park Police commander and the acting chief of police told investigators that the curfew was ineffective in stopping the unrest in Lafayette Square, the report says.

Uh huh. From an IG Herr tRump didn’t fire...

[SCLaxAttack]

NBC reports * : Interior Dept IG investigation shows that Park Police decision to clear Lafayette Park on 6/1/20 was unrelated to later Trump photo op. Park Police was already engaging violent protestors & were pushing them back so an unscalable fence could be installed.

* The report says protests on May 30 and 31 "were mostly peaceful during the day," but that "acts of violence increased in the late afternoon and evenings," and that "officers reported that some protesters threw projectiles, such as bricks, rocks, caustic liquids, frozen water bottles, glass bottles, lit flares, rental scooters, and fireworks, at law enforcement officials."

A total of 49 Park Police officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery, the report says.

Historic statues in Lafayette Square, were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park's comfort station was set on fire, the report says. A fire was also set in the basement at St. John's Church on May 31, and nearby stores and businesses were looted, the report adds.

On May 31, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser ordered an 11 p .m. curfew, finding that "in the downtown area of the District of Colombia, numerous businesses and government buildings were vandalized, burned, or looted. Over the past nights, there has been a glorification of violence, particularly in the later hours of the night. ... The health, safety, and well-being of persons within the District of Colombia are threatened and endangered by the existence of these violent actions."

But the Park Police commander and the acting chief of police told investigators that the curfew was ineffective in stopping the unrest in Lafayette Square, the report says.

Uh huh. From an IG Herr tRump didn’t fire...

Where’s the part where the protesters put up a gallows in the square, tear down the White House fence, break into the WH, search for Trump yelling things like “let’s kill him”, defecate in the halls, and ransack the West Wing?

[CU88]

Are we to believe that ONLY the park police were involved?

Why was the "investigation" limited to this one entity?

Sure...

[PizzaSnake]

Are we to believe that ONLY the park police were involved?

Why was the "investigation" limited to this one entity?

Sure...

"the whole truth and nothing but the truth..."

Another platitude bites the dust.

[Typical Lax Dad]

NBC reports * : Interior Dept IG investigation shows that Park Police decision to clear Lafayette Park on 6/1/20 was unrelated to later Trump photo op. Park Police was already engaging violent protestors & were pushing them back so an unscalable fence could be installed.

* The report says protests on May 30 and 31 "were mostly peaceful during the day," but that "acts of violence increased in the late afternoon and evenings," and that "officers reported that some protesters threw projectiles, such as bricks, rocks, caustic liquids, frozen water bottles, glass bottles, lit flares, rental scooters, and fireworks, at law enforcement officials."

A total of 49 Park Police officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery, the report says.

Historic statues in Lafayette Square, were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park's comfort station was set on fire, the report says. A fire was also set in the basement at St. John's Church on May 31, and nearby stores and businesses were looted, the report adds.

On May 31, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser ordered an 11 p .m. curfew, finding that "in the downtown area of the District of Colombia, numerous businesses and government buildings were vandalized, burned, or looted. Over the past nights, there has been a glorification of violence, particularly in the later hours of the night. ... The health, safety, and well-being of persons within the District of Colombia are threatened and endangered by the existence of these violent actions."

But the Park Police commander and the acting chief of police told investigators that the curfew was ineffective in stopping the unrest in Lafayette Square, the report says.

Uh huh. From an IG Herr tRump didn’t fire...

Where’s the part where the protesters put up a gallows in the square, tear down the White House fence, break into the WH, search for Trump yelling things like “let’s kill him”, defecate in the halls, and ransack the West Wing?

A robust response to install a fence is what’s needed……tearing it down and storming the Capitol requires a muted response…

[old salt]

NBC reports * : Interior Dept IG investigation shows that Park Police decision to clear Lafayette Park on 6/1/20 was unrelated to later Trump photo op. Park Police was already engaging violent protestors & were pushing them back so an unscalable fence could be installed.

* The report says protests on May 30 and 31 "were mostly peaceful during the day," but that "acts of violence increased in the late afternoon and evenings," and that "officers reported that some protesters threw projectiles, such as bricks, rocks, caustic liquids, frozen water bottles, glass bottles, lit flares, rental scooters, and fireworks, at law enforcement officials."

A total of 49 Park Police officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery, the report says.

Historic statues in Lafayette Square, were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park's comfort station was set on fire, the report says. A fire was also set in the basement at St. John's Church on May 31, and nearby stores and businesses were looted, the report adds.

On May 31, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser ordered an 11 p .m. curfew, finding that "in the downtown area of the District of Colombia, numerous businesses and government buildings were vandalized, burned, or looted. Over the past nights, there has been a glorification of violence, particularly in the later hours of the night. ... The health, safety, and well-being of persons within the District of Colombia are threatened and endangered by the existence of these violent actions."

But the Park Police commander and the acting chief of police told investigators that the curfew was ineffective in stopping the unrest in Lafayette Square, the report says.

Uh huh. From an IG Herr tRump didn’t fire...

Where’s the part where the protesters put up a gallows in the square, tear down the White House fence, break into the WH, search for Trump yelling things like “let’s kill him”, defecate in the halls, and ransack the West Wing?

A robust response to install a fence is what’s needed……tearing it down and storming the Capitol requires a muted response…

That's what happens when those charged with providing security fail to do their job.

What would have happened had the mob breached the WH fence the way the flimsy bicycle rack barricades around the Capitol were penetrated ?
How many bodies would have been on the WH lawn from rooftop snipers, the secret service detail, uniformed secret service guards, K-9's unleashed & who knows what else that we are unaware of. All armed & authorized to use deadly force.

That's what made 6/1/20 different from 1/6/21. That overly militaristic security presence, ...that did it's job.

[Typical Lax Dad]

NBC reports * : Interior Dept IG investigation shows that Park Police decision to clear Lafayette Park on 6/1/20 was unrelated to later Trump photo op. Park Police was already engaging violent protestors & were pushing them back so an unscalable fence could be installed.

* The report says protests on May 30 and 31 "were mostly peaceful during the day," but that "acts of violence increased in the late afternoon and evenings," and that "officers reported that some protesters threw projectiles, such as bricks, rocks, caustic liquids, frozen water bottles, glass bottles, lit flares, rental scooters, and fireworks, at law enforcement officials."

A total of 49 Park Police officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery, the report says.

Historic statues in Lafayette Square, were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park's comfort station was set on fire, the report says. A fire was also set in the basement at St. John's Church on May 31, and nearby stores and businesses were looted, the report adds.

On May 31, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser ordered an 11 p .m. curfew, finding that "in the downtown area of the District of Colombia, numerous businesses and government buildings were vandalized, burned, or looted. Over the past nights, there has been a glorification of violence, particularly in the later hours of the night. ... The health, safety, and well-being of persons within the District of Colombia are threatened and endangered by the existence of these violent actions."

But the Park Police commander and the acting chief of police told investigators that the curfew was ineffective in stopping the unrest in Lafayette Square, the report says.

Uh huh. From an IG Herr tRump didn’t fire...

Where’s the part where the protesters put up a gallows in the square, tear down the White House fence, break into the WH, search for Trump yelling things like “let’s kill him”, defecate in the halls, and ransack the West Wing?

A robust response to install a fence is what’s needed……tearing it down and storming the Capitol requires a muted response…

That's what happens when those charged with providing security fail to do their job.

What would have happened had the mob breached the WH fence the way the flimsy bicycle rack barricades around the Capitol were penetrated ?
How many bodies would have been on the WH lawn from rooftop snipers, the secret service detail, uniformed secret service guards, K-9's unleashed & who knows what else that we are unaware of. All armed & authorized to use deadly force.

That's what made 6/1/20 different from 1/6/21. That overly militaristic security presence, ...that did it's job.

Un huh.

[SCLaxAttack]

Brainwash. Probably bleach.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Brainwash. Probably bleach.

A very very powerful light.

[PizzaSnake]

NBC reports * : Interior Dept IG investigation shows that Park Police decision to clear Lafayette Park on 6/1/20 was unrelated to later Trump photo op. Park Police was already engaging violent protestors & were pushing them back so an unscalable fence could be installed.

* The report says protests on May 30 and 31 "were mostly peaceful during the day," but that "acts of violence increased in the late afternoon and evenings," and that "officers reported that some protesters threw projectiles, such as bricks, rocks, caustic liquids, frozen water bottles, glass bottles, lit flares, rental scooters, and fireworks, at law enforcement officials."

A total of 49 Park Police officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery, the report says.

Historic statues in Lafayette Square, were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park's comfort station was set on fire, the report says. A fire was also set in the basement at St. John's Church on May 31, and nearby stores and businesses were looted, the report adds.

On May 31, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser ordered an 11 p .m. curfew, finding that "in the downtown area of the District of Colombia, numerous businesses and government buildings were vandalized, burned, or looted. Over the past nights, there has been a glorification of violence, particularly in the later hours of the night. ... The health, safety, and well-being of persons within the District of Colombia are threatened and endangered by the existence of these violent actions."

But the Park Police commander and the acting chief of police told investigators that the curfew was ineffective in stopping the unrest in Lafayette Square, the report says.

Uh huh. From an IG Herr tRump didn’t fire...

Where’s the part where the protesters put up a gallows in the square, tear down the White House fence, break into the WH, search for Trump yelling things like “let’s kill him”, defecate in the halls, and ransack the West Wing?

A robust response to install a fence is what’s needed……tearing it down and storming the Capitol requires a muted response…

That's what happens when those charged with providing security fail to do their job.

What would have happened had the mob breached the WH fence the way the flimsy bicycle rack barricades around the Capitol were penetrated ?
How many bodies would have been on the WH lawn from rooftop snipers, the secret service detail, uniformed secret service guards, K-9's unleashed & who knows what else that we are unaware of. All armed & authorized to use deadly force.

That's what made 6/1/20 different from 1/6/21. That overly militaristic security presence, ...that did it's job.

"That's what made 6/1/20 different from 1/6/21. That overly militaristic security presence, ...that did it's job."

That's the difference you see? Really, that's it? So no other things jump out at you?

[old salt]

NBC reports * : Interior Dept IG investigation shows that Park Police decision to clear Lafayette Park on 6/1/20 was unrelated to later Trump photo op. Park Police was already engaging violent protestors & were pushing them back so an unscalable fence could be installed.

* The report says protests on May 30 and 31 "were mostly peaceful during the day," but that "acts of violence increased in the late afternoon and evenings," and that "officers reported that some protesters threw projectiles, such as bricks, rocks, caustic liquids, frozen water bottles, glass bottles, lit flares, rental scooters, and fireworks, at law enforcement officials."

A total of 49 Park Police officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery, the report says.

Historic statues in Lafayette Square, were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park's comfort station was set on fire, the report says. A fire was also set in the basement at St. John's Church on May 31, and nearby stores and businesses were looted, the report adds.

On May 31, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser ordered an 11 p .m. curfew, finding that "in the downtown area of the District of Colombia, numerous businesses and government buildings were vandalized, burned, or looted. Over the past nights, there has been a glorification of violence, particularly in the later hours of the night. ... The health, safety, and well-being of persons within the District of Colombia are threatened and endangered by the existence of these violent actions."

But the Park Police commander and the acting chief of police told investigators that the curfew was ineffective in stopping the unrest in Lafayette Square, the report says.

Uh huh. From an IG Herr tRump didn’t fire...

Where’s the part where the protesters put up a gallows in the square, tear down the White House fence, break into the WH, search for Trump yelling things like “let’s kill him”, defecate in the halls, and ransack the West Wing?

A robust response to install a fence is what’s needed……tearing it down and storming the Capitol requires a muted response…

That's what happens when those charged with providing security fail to do their job.

What would have happened had the mob breached the WH fence the way the flimsy bicycle rack barricades around the Capitol were penetrated ?
How many bodies would have been on the WH lawn from rooftop snipers, the secret service detail, uniformed secret service guards, K-9's unleashed & who knows what else that we are unaware of. All armed & authorized to use deadly force.

That's what made 6/1/20 different from 1/6/21. That overly militaristic security presence, ...that did it's job.

"That's what made 6/1/20 different from 1/6/21. That overly militaristic security presence, ...that did it's job."

That's the difference you see? Really, that's it? So no other things jump out at you?

I was addressing what the Senate report addressed re. 1/6. in comparison to the Interior Dept IG report addressing 6/1.
I was also responding to the posed comparison of 1/6 to a hypothetical breach of the WH in 6/1.
imho -- they were both mob violence which needed to be dealt with.
I'm not hand wringing about what incited the mob in either case - that's a distraction which diverts from the security failure of 1/6.
The Exec branch is responsible for the security of the WH & adjoining Lafayette Park.
Congress is responsible for the security of the Capitol.
One was competent, the other was not.

[Typical Lax Dad]

NBC reports * : Interior Dept IG investigation shows that Park Police decision to clear Lafayette Park on 6/1/20 was unrelated to later Trump photo op. Park Police was already engaging violent protestors & were pushing them back so an unscalable fence could be installed.

* The report says protests on May 30 and 31 "were mostly peaceful during the day," but that "acts of violence increased in the late afternoon and evenings," and that "officers reported that some protesters threw projectiles, such as bricks, rocks, caustic liquids, frozen water bottles, glass bottles, lit flares, rental scooters, and fireworks, at law enforcement officials."

A total of 49 Park Police officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery, the report says.

Historic statues in Lafayette Square, were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park's comfort station was set on fire, the report says. A fire was also set in the basement at St. John's Church on May 31, and nearby stores and businesses were looted, the report adds.

On May 31, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser ordered an 11 p .m. curfew, finding that "in the downtown area of the District of Colombia, numerous businesses and government buildings were vandalized, burned, or looted. Over the past nights, there has been a glorification of violence, particularly in the later hours of the night. ... The health, safety, and well-being of persons within the District of Colombia are threatened and endangered by the existence of these violent actions."

But the Park Police commander and the acting chief of police told investigators that the curfew was ineffective in stopping the unrest in Lafayette Square, the report says.

Uh huh. From an IG Herr tRump didn’t fire...

Where’s the part where the protesters put up a gallows in the square, tear down the White House fence, break into the WH, search for Trump yelling things like “let’s kill him”, defecate in the halls, and ransack the West Wing?

A robust response to install a fence is what’s needed……tearing it down and storming the Capitol requires a muted response…

That's what happens when those charged with providing security fail to do their job.

What would have happened had the mob breached the WH fence the way the flimsy bicycle rack barricades around the Capitol were penetrated ?
How many bodies would have been on the WH lawn from rooftop snipers, the secret service detail, uniformed secret service guards, K-9's unleashed & who knows what else that we are unaware of. All armed & authorized to use deadly force.

That's what made 6/1/20 different from 1/6/21. That overly militaristic security presence, ...that did it's job.

"That's what made 6/1/20 different from 1/6/21. That overly militaristic security presence, ...that did it's job."

That's the difference you see? Really, that's it? So no other things jump out at you?

I was addressing what the Interior Dept IG report addressed re. 6/1 & comparing it to 1/ 6.
I was then responding to the comparison of 1/6 to a hypothetical breach of the WH in 6/1.
imho -- they were both mob violence which needed to be dealt with.
I'm not hand wringing about what incited the mob in either case - that's a distraction which diverts from the security failure of 1/6.

Your faith in IG reports has been restored?

[old salt]

My faith in IG reports never waivered. I'm a big fan of DoJ IG Horowitz's work, as well as the State Dept IG's work on Benghazi & Secy Clinton's homebrew server. Also the USAF IG's investigation on the use of P restwick as a refueling base.