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old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:45 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:37 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:50 pm The Supreme Moolah refuses to talk to Trump, other than to say "Death to America".

Part of his job is to get him to talk.

Obama did it. Surely Trump can, too.

Did the guy in the tan suit (I refuse to post his name) ever meet with or speak directly with Khamenei ?
...or just tweet love.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/02/ ... mance.html

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:51 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:47 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:16 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:01 pm Imagine that.

Iran said the drone initially operated in stealth mode immediately after takeoff from it's base in the SW of the UAE.
That's being interpreted as meaning the US controllers did not immediately turn on the drone's IFF transponder.

The RQ-4 is not a "stealthy" aircraft. It is a large radar target, with limited mobility, designed to operate at very high altitudes, well above civilian air traffic. The Naval version has stronger wings which allow it to rapidly descend to get closer imagery of a target, if necessary.

There are multiple nation's civil air traffic control facilities in the area which should have radar tapes which would include the drones flight path.
Russia would not be one of them.

Maybe we'll get a "show & tell" at the NATO conf or G-20, after showing it to potential convoy coalition partners.

I don't necessarily believe the Russians or the Iranians or the Americans. I have said it before, from the stand point of how this plays out in the future it really doesn't matter. What I find interesting is the Russians sticking their nose in!

It matters greatly in gathering support from other nations.

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:04 pm "Make Iran Great Again"
Yup, I heard the Prez say that the other day, gotta figure the Iranians got a nice belly laugh out of that one. The Prez is such a tactful and smooth negotiator/operator.
Really gotta wonder what the Prez knows about the history of Iran. Figure he can go back to the BC era? 900 AD? 1900?
DJT's gonna make Iran great again....got some news for you, Prez, them Iranians don't much give a f what you think. I'd bet they find you to be quite an entertaining jackass though.

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:54 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:45 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:37 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:50 pm The Supreme Moolah refuses to talk to Trump, other than to say "Death to America".

Part of his job is to get him to talk.

Obama did it. Surely Trump can, too.

Did the guy in the tan suit (I refuse to post his name) ever meet with or speak directly with Khamenei ?
...or just tweet love.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/02/ ... mance.html

Why are you posting this link? Do you agree with their points?

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:59 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:51 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:47 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:16 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:01 pm Imagine that.

Iran said the drone initially operated in stealth mode immediately after takeoff from it's base in the SW of the UAE.
That's being interpreted as meaning the US controllers did not immediately turn on the drone's IFF transponder.

The RQ-4 is not a "stealthy" aircraft. It is a large radar target, with limited mobility, designed to operate at very high altitudes, well above civilian air traffic. The Naval version has stronger wings which allow it to rapidly descend to get closer imagery of a target, if necessary.

There are multiple nation's civil air traffic control facilities in the area which should have radar tapes which would include the drones flight path.
Russia would not be one of them.

Maybe we'll get a "show & tell" at the NATO conf or G-20, after showing it to potential convoy coalition partners.

I don't necessarily believe the Russians or the Iranians or the Americans. I have said it before, from the stand point of how this plays out in the future it really doesn't matter. What I find interesting is the Russians sticking their nose in!

It matters greatly in gathering support from other nations.

Good luck with getting support beyond lip service on anything related to Iran from anyone other than the right-wing Israelis, Saudis, etc. No one trusts this Administration nor should they. Not only does our Commander-in-Chief lie with regularity, he claims our intelligence can't be trusted, and it's clear that whatever he says today is open to entirely different self-interpretation tomorrow. Day trader and a bad one.

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:24 pm Phone conversation. I'm sorry...and I'm not saying this sarcastically.....I always assume you have more hard information on anything to do with the Middle East than I do.

They had one phone call in 2013. First direct contact between Iran and US leader since the Revolution. I believe that was the only call.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-a ... 6S20130928

Obama wanted to meet in person when he came to NY a year or so later when Rouhani was in New York to speak at UN. No dice.

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:19 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:54 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:45 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:37 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:50 pm The Supreme Moolah refuses to talk to Trump, other than to say "Death to America".

Part of his job is to get him to talk.

Obama did it. Surely Trump can, too.

Did the guy in the tan suit (I refuse to post his name) ever meet with or speak directly with Khamenei ?
...or just tweet love.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/02/ ... mance.html

Why are you posting this link? Do you agree with their points?

It's the most detail I could find about communications berween the tan suit guy & the Supreme Moolah.
Did they ever meet or have a phone con ?

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:44 pm A quick timeout here. A very emotional for this old soldier ceremony going on in the rose garden. Staff Sgt. David Bellavia is being awarded his Medal of Honor for his heroism during the second battle of Fallujah. You want to see a real hero... look up his MOH citation. Thank you Staff... you did what you had to do to save your squad members. I am proud again to have been a US Army infantryman. Staff... I salute you.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:12 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:44 pm A quick timeout here. A very emotional for this old soldier ceremony going on in the rose garden. Staff Sgt. David Bellavia is being awarded his Medal of Honor for his heroism during the second battle of Fallujah. You want to see a real hero... look up his MOH citation. Thank you Staff... you did what you had to do to save your squad members. I am proud again to have been a US Army infantryman. Staff... I salute you.

None of you people have a single thing to say about this... shame on every damn one of you. Go back to your nonsense conversations and ignore a real American hero.

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:24 pm Phone conversation. I'm sorry...and I'm not saying this sarcastically.....I always assume you have more hard information on anything to do with the Middle East than I do.

They had one phone call in 2013. First direct contact between Iran and US leader since the Revolution. I believe that was the only call.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-a ... 6S20130928

Obama wanted to meet in person when he came to NY a year or so later when Rouhani was in New York to speak at UN. No dice.

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:21 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:12 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:44 pm A quick timeout here. A very emotional for this old soldier ceremony going on in the rose garden. Staff Sgt. David Bellavia is being awarded his Medal of Honor for his heroism during the second battle of Fallujah. You want to see a real hero... look up his MOH citation. Thank you Staff... you did what you had to do to save your squad members. I am proud again to have been a US Army infantryman. Staff... I salute you.

None of you people have a single thing to say about this... shame on every damn one of you. Go back to your nonsense conversations and ignore a real American hero.

I'm with you C&S! Indeed a genuine hero...

And you're right, this chatter is nonsense in comparison.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:44 pm A quick timeout here. A very emotional for this old soldier ceremony going on in the rose garden. Staff Sgt. David Bellavia is being awarded his Medal of Honor for his heroism during the second battle of Fallujah. You want to see a real hero... look up his MOH citation. Thank you Staff... you did what you had to do to save your squad members. I am proud again to have been a US Army infantryman. Staff... I salute you.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:12 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:44 pm A quick timeout here. A very emotional for this old soldier ceremony going on in the rose garden. Staff Sgt. David Bellavia is being awarded his Medal of Honor for his heroism during the second battle of Fallujah. You want to see a real hero... look up his MOH citation. Thank you Staff... you did what you had to do to save your squad members. I am proud again to have been a US Army infantryman. Staff... I salute you.

None of you people have a single thing to say about this... shame on every damn one of you. Go back to your nonsense conversations and ignore a real American hero. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... d-bellavia

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:15 pm This certainly helps explain why so many here seem to think that dropping out of the deal with Iran made perfect sense. And why I'm having such a difficult time understanding some of the views here.

This line of thinking is simply beyond my comprehension. And I wouldn't care so much, except it's clear to me that folks who think like this have access to our nuclear arsenal.


The survey of 3,000 Americans was conducted by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists and British research firm YouGov (edit--a conservative British Pollster), and asked people to consider a scenario in which North Korea had tested a long-range missile and the U.S. government was considering how to respond.

“For many of these hawks, support for an attack, even in a preventive war, does not significantly decrease when the story says that the United States would use nuclear weapons that are expected to kill 1 million North Korean civilians,” the report found.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/on ... a4362ed2bb

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:28 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:59 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:51 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:47 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:16 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:01 pm Imagine that.

Iran said the drone initially operated in stealth mode immediately after takeoff from it's base in the SW of the UAE.
That's being interpreted as meaning the US controllers did not immediately turn on the drone's IFF transponder.

The RQ-4 is not a "stealthy" aircraft. It is a large radar target, with limited mobility, designed to operate at very high altitudes, well above civilian air traffic. The Naval version has stronger wings which allow it to rapidly descend to get closer imagery of a target, if necessary.

There are multiple nation's civil air traffic control facilities in the area which should have radar tapes which would include the drones flight path.
Russia would not be one of them.

Maybe we'll get a "show & tell" at the NATO conf or G-20, after showing it to potential convoy coalition partners.

I don't necessarily believe the Russians or the Iranians or the Americans. I have said it before, from the stand point of how this plays out in the future it really doesn't matter. What I find interesting is the Russians sticking their nose in!

It matters greatly in gathering support from other nations.

Good luck with getting support beyond lip service on anything related to Iran from anyone other than the right-wing Israelis, Saudis, etc. No one trusts this Administration nor should they. Not only does our Commander-in-Chief lie with regularity, he claims our intelligence can't be trusted, and it's clear that whatever he says today is open to entirely different self-interpretation tomorrow. Day trader and a bad one.

International Maritime Security
India's already sending 2 warships to the region. The Brits already have a frigate in the Gulf & they're sending 100 Marines to ride on Brit owned ships.
It's not a matter of supporting the US. It's to protect their nation's ships & oil supply.
It's worth it to them just to keep down insurance costs.
The Japanese, S Koreans & Chinese could send Marines as ship riders as the Brits are doing.
The Aussies & Singapore have been sending warships & commanded CTF 150.

https://www.apnews.com/7ddb054383bf40378c4e7f6053594e31

“This is not Iran versus the United States. This is Iran certainly versus the region, and arguably the broader global environment,” said Esper, who took over Monday as acting secretary, replacing Patrick Shanahan, who resigned last week.

Esper said his goal is, first, for allies to express outrage at Iran’s activities, which the U.S. says include the drone shootdown and bombings of several tanker ships in the Gulf of Oman. Second, he said he wants allies to support “any range of activities” to help deter conflict with Iran.

“This is the reason why we need to internationalize this issue and have our allies and partners work with us to get Iran to come back to the negotiating table and talk about the way ahead,” he said.

Esper said discussions about creating a maritime coalition to secure freedom of navigation in the Persian Gulf are still in the early stages. It’s too early, he said, to start “counting ships” and which allies have agreed to participate.