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runrussellrun wrote:Healthcare is improved? Please show me the way

runrussellrun wrote: Healthcare is improved? Please show me the way (aside from the pre-existing, and even regarding this it's not true) Isn't forced consumerism a CONservative brainchild?

Isn't Trump trying?

Come on man, you can't accuse me of being disingenuous recently and then come in here with that.

I even said they "attempted to improve" things to varying degrees of failure and success. They at least got a law passed, which R's couldn't do (and their only attempt was to simply repeal another law).

Certainly giving the R's way too many concessions on the healthcare bill and getting nothing in return was a failure. And from day 1 Republicans have gnawed away at it, making it worse and worse.



When in recent history have R's tried to substantially improve healthcare? When have R's tried to improve worker conditions? Consumer protection? Decrease deficits? Which party is at least trying?

holmes435 wrote:

runrussellrun wrote: Healthcare is improved? Please show me the way (aside from the pre-existing, and even regarding this it's not true) Isn't forced consumerism a CONservative brainchild?

Isn't Trump trying?

Come on man, you can't accuse me of being disingenuous recently and then come in here with that.

I even said they "attempted to improve" things to varying degrees of failure and success. They at least got a law passed, which R's couldn't do (and their only attempt was to simply repeal another law).

Certainly giving the R's way too many concessions on the healthcare bill and getting nothing in return was a failure. And from day 1 Republicans have gnawed away at it, making it worse and worse.



When in recent history have R's tried to substantially improve healthcare? When have R's tried to improve worker conditions? Consumer protection? Decrease deficits? Which party is at least trying?

are you sure they really are trying? and IMPROVE it for whom?????.....

holmes435 wrote:

runrussellrun wrote: Healthcare is improved? Please show me the way (aside from the pre-existing, and even regarding this it's not true) Isn't forced consumerism a CONservative brainchild?

Isn't Trump trying?

Come on man, you can't accuse me of being disingenuous recently and then come in here with that.

I even said they "attempted to improve" things to varying degrees of failure and success. They at least got a law passed, which R's couldn't do (and their only attempt was to simply repeal another law).

Certainly giving the R's way too many concessions on the healthcare bill and getting nothing in return was a failure. And from day 1 Republicans have gnawed away at it, making it worse and worse.



When in recent history have R's tried to substantially improve healthcare? When have R's tried to improve worker conditions? Consumer protection? Decrease deficits? Which party is at least trying?

A few questions for you. Which very large "healthcare" company is based in Louisville, Kentucky? Now, name the two US Senators from Kentucky. Who, or rather which state, gladly passed the nations first MANDATORY forced healthcare plan? Just like the deficit/smaller government ,the pretend CONservatives yell and scream about healthcare repeals. Just like the phony John McCain did for a decade. How's the Aurora, CO Veterans Hospitital coming along? Any Dept. of Justice corruption charges being had with that VA overbudget joke?

Here, this might help: Sen. McConnels donors.

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of- ... cle=CAREER

Hmmmm.....Mitch McConnell owns millions in Vanguard 500 Admiral index Fund shares. Only 15% is directly related to the Healthcare industry. Of course IT companies like facebook or Amazon, along with apple and microsoft, make up a large part of the fund. Do US Senators ever hold congressional hearings with these companies.

Open secrets should be a staple in your daily diet. If not, find another hobby beside politics, because without it, you just aren't informed about TAATS

How Florida’s Puerto Rican Vote Is Changing Post-Hurricane Maria

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HooDat wrote:

holmes435 wrote:

runrussellrun wrote: Healthcare is improved? Please show me the way (aside from the pre-existing, and even regarding this it's not true) Isn't forced consumerism a CONservative brainchild?

Isn't Trump trying?

Come on man, you can't accuse me of being disingenuous recently and then come in here with that.

I even said they "attempted to improve" things to varying degrees of failure and success. They at least got a law passed, which R's couldn't do (and their only attempt was to simply repeal another law).

Certainly giving the R's way too many concessions on the healthcare bill and getting nothing in return was a failure. And from day 1 Republicans have gnawed away at it, making it worse and worse.



When in recent history have R's tried to substantially improve healthcare? When have R's tried to improve worker conditions? Consumer protection? Decrease deficits? Which party is at least trying?

are you sure they really are trying? and IMPROVE it for whom?????.....

well, lack of transparency is a huge political advantage.

If you are actually open to the idea of a Trump voter that is not an uneducated, racist piece of white trash, this article will open your eyes to why I think he gets re-elected: https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... s-horizon/
The American Conservative is not a knee-jerk Trump supporting publication, but as its name suggests, it does come from the conservative viewpoint.

It is true that Trump’s behavior is not befitting his office and that a certain decorum and dignity in the White House is not only desirable but essential.

However, there are also many reasons for Trump supporters to despise the establishment: endless wars in which the brunt of casualties are borne by those from Trump country, grotesque public debt generated by vote buying, a two-tiered educational system that ensures income inequality, pervasive government surveillance, open and lawless borders, and on and on. Our elites bring to mind the French aristocracy under Louis XVI, feigning formality yet, behind the scenes at least, corrupt, incompetent, and ruthless.

In elite institutions, it is taught instead that America is a great obstacle to the empowerment of oppressed minorities and the central driver of global crises. A core teaching in the humanities and social sciences is that the Western heritage represents a monstrous oppression myth conjured up by dead European white men, which, of course, has its political expression in the identity politics of the Democratic Party.

Given the intemperance of Trump and the viciousness of his opponents, compromise seems unlikely. Most of the American media will blame any conflagration on Trump, and certainly he will deserve some of the fault. But American elites are the revolutionary children of the ’60s and ’70s, proud despoilers of their country’s history and tradition. Now comes the counter-revolution, led by a gargoyle promising to defend the old cathedral. When postmodern radicals lecture him about the need to temper his attacks, a Trump supporter might retort the same way that a rebellious royalist did to the new Jacobin government in 1793: “You accuse us of overturning our patrie by rebellion, but it is you, who, subverting all principles of the religious and political order, were the first to proclaim that insurrection is the most sacred of duties.”

UVA professor Larry Sabato's take on the midterms.Eager to review his "predictions" November 7th.

http://crystalball.centerforpolitics.or ... forecasts/

This is an interesting take on voter turnout. I wonder if d's can actually generate this volume.

https://winwithjmc.com/archives/8436

The biggest threat to the GOP majority no one’s talking about

"A glut of GOP retirements has House Republicans defending a record number of open seats this fall — further fueling the odds of a Democratic takeover.

Of the 44 districts left open by incumbents who are retiring, resigning or seeking higher office, Democrats are targeting almost half of them. They need to gain 23 seats to win the House majority."

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HooDat wrote:If you are actually open to the idea of a Trump voter that is not an uneducated, racist piece of white trash, this article will open your eyes to why I think he gets re-elected: https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... s-horizon/
The American Conservative is not a knee-jerk Trump supporting publication, but as its name suggests, it does come from the conservative viewpoint.

It is true that Trump’s behavior is not befitting his office and that a certain decorum and dignity in the White House is not only desirable but essential.

However, there are also many reasons for Trump supporters to despise the establishment: endless wars in which the brunt of casualties are borne by those from Trump country, grotesque public debt generated by vote buying, a two-tiered educational system that ensures income inequality, pervasive government surveillance, open and lawless borders, and on and on. Our elites bring to mind the French aristocracy under Louis XVI, feigning formality yet, behind the scenes at least, corrupt, incompetent, and ruthless

What is with these people trying to put lipstick on the Trumpsupporter pig?

The worst part about it is that American Conservatives (or at least people who THINK they are conservatives) have all of a sudden forgotten that it's their own values that got us here in the first place. And instead of admitting that the Republican path of the last 50 years was wrong, short sighted, and just plain dumb....now all these publications are trying to act like these weren't their choices in the first place. It's self delusion on a nation scale. Look in the mirror: you did this to yourselves.

Free market vs. Unions and protectionism? Republicans chose free market.
War vs. peace. Republicans chose war. Every time.
Two tiered education vs. education for all? Republicans chose tiers. Vouchers ring a bell? What do you think that is? Tiers. You ASKED for this.
Open borders vs. close? Republicans chose open. They had power under Bush, and have it again under Trump. What did they choose? Open borders.
Pervasive government surveillance is my very favorite. Trump fans aren't for this? They didn't support the Patriot act? Or FISA courts? Yeah, right....Trump supporters think that so long as it doesn't affect them personally, the .gov can take away all the rights they want. Gay marriage ring a bell?
Public debt vs. frugality? Republicans chose debt every time they could. They're doing it again. Trump fans are cheering. The writer of this piece is a delusional moron.

Delusional. We have an entire nation filled with fake conservatives. Know what's in my facebook feed? A bunch of posts making fun of socialism, coupled with photos of the same posters sitting in a football stadium that was bought and paid for by taxpayers, rooting for their favorite State Government Football team, that is actually funded by the Federal Government. THAT is the average Trump supporter...they are too stupid to understand what they really believe in. Which would be fine by me, except they're taking MY MONEY at that stupid football game while I'm here at work actually contributing to GDP.

And if you ask these super-brilliant Trump fans that are sitting in the government bleachers if "big government is bad", every one of them will say yes. And then turn around and root for their government team.

OK. That was a nice bit of posting a fan. I was having a very nice Oban while I read it, and the world seemed momentarily perfect.

afan - I understand that the hypocrisy and/or cognitive dissonance is driving you nuts. My posts are not meant to be "pro" or anti Trump. I don't back a party, because there is no party that backs me. I came to conclusion a long time ago that running for elected office is self-selecting for a-holes, and the weaselish slime-ball ones that I would never want to spend any time with.

I am however fascinated by how politics works, even (or especially) when it isn't working.

When I post things that talk about reasons why Trump voters support him, and will probably do so again, it is not because I necessarily think they are being rational. I am merely pointing out the political angle that is being used to push voters one way or another.

Here is a very reasonable article about Nathan Glazer on his views of the world today. 93 years old and at the center of a lot of "stuff" happening - he brings a pretty calm view.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/eight-deca ... 1536962839

HooDat wrote:afan - I understand that the hypocrisy and/or cognitive dissonance is driving you nuts. My posts are not meant to be "pro" or anti Trump. I don't back a party, because there is no party that backs me. I came to conclusion a long time ago that running for elected office is self-selecting for a-holes, and the weaselish slime-ball ones that I would never want to spend any time with.

I am however fascinated by how politics works, even (or especially) when it isn't working.

When I post things that talk about reasons why Trump voters support him, and will probably do so again, it is not because I necessarily think they are being rational. I am merely pointing out the political angle that is being used to push voters one way or another.

Oh, I hope you didn't think all that was directed at you! Not at all! Directed at the author of the piece, not HooDat!

Sorry if it came across that way.

The dregs of society.....They still have not learned anything. Joe is just doing what he does best.....making matters worse.

Ok, now here's where we're facing the other edge of the sword, Y.A.

If we're going to jump on libs/dems for saying everything is racist....a hand sign, or using the word monkey when referring to the "error" of voting for a black political opponent...... then you have to be fair and look at what Joe is REALLY saying here. When he says "dregs", he doesn't mean the average Trump voter...he means the White Power wankers that Trump failed to condemn when given the chance.

FoxNation is all over Biden for this. My question is: are we taking what politicians says and assuming worst, or aren't we? Let's pick one and stick to it. Partisans give "their guy" the benefit of the doubt, and make fun of the other side for making hay where there's nothing there. And yet when the shoe is on the other foot? You know the rest.

As for me, Biden is responsible for what he says. He's on the hook for calling Trump voters dregs. So guess what that means? When a politician uses the phrase "monkey up", he's on the hook for that, too.

Can't have it both ways.

These dregs:

This is 2018....Americans have lost their minds. Politics in the year 2018......