Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:20 pm
It’s a thought.HooDat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:18 pmI will agree that they seemed to like the USA just fine when they were the ones running it I am sure that southerners securing 9 out of 15 presidencies from the founding up to Lincoln made them relatively happy with "their" nation. But when you go 0 for 2 on the last two elections I guess you get petulant....MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:06 pmActually, they definitely thought of themselves as "nationalists"...they just want their nation to be ruled by them, with slavery preserved.HooDat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:57 pmYes, I disagree. The confederates were the opposite of nationalists - they seceded from their country - or at least attempted to. According to modern senses of our country they were clearly traitors. Under the understanding of the political landscape of the time, the primacy of state vs federal loyalty was more complicated - but it doesn't change the fact that they were traitors, because they were. TLD - you seem to have a fixation with the old south. Is it a keen historical interest or a way to subtly try to accuse people you disagree with of racism?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:43 pmYou mean “vision” of their country. That would be accurate. Like the confederates loved their vision of America or their vision of the South….You disagree?HooDat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:37 pmFirst, I never said nationalists love the Government, I said they love their country. I also said they don't love a strong man - again, they love their country.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:21 pm What are you two talking about? In what world do American nationalists believe in the American Federal Government as superior?
Ask a TrumpFan what they think of the Federal Government. They think it's THE problem in their lives. The literal and direct opposite of what you two are claiming. If anything, they want to rip our form of Federal Government apart. How many times have you heard about Secession, FFS?
You guys are crispy-crackers.
You can love your country and be critical of how the people in government do their jobs. It's actually a sign of a healthy country if that criticism is allowed....
What is interesting to observe - in the continuing saga of how the political elite are driving wedges everywhere they can - is how both sides claim the other is about to tear our country apart. The right wants civil war, the left wants to do away with the electoral college, the right wants to undermine democracy by manipulating the SCOTUS nominations process, the left want to circumvent democracy by stacking the SCOTUS, the right are racist xenophobes, the left are socialist commies ------ those guys over there are why your life sucks, it has nothing to do with the unprecedented power combined with complete lack of accountability of "our" governments and large corporations....
Nonetheless, it doesn't really matter what they thought of themselves, if it was "nationalist" then they were wrong. Unless of course you are applying it to the CSA, but in that case I would still attempt to argue that by logical definition the confederates had to put state ahead of nation even in their new, short-lived, CSA.