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sguy9 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:54 am

no, he was very bad; both on field and off field culture.
He made a bad situation worse.
It became very obvious, very quickly.

You are correct that there are "lot's of "bad" guys in coaching"...and one could make the argument that some of those flaws make less difference at certain schools/situations...and..."just win baby".

But I think that does a disservice to the players and the sport, regardless of school...and, IMO, there are enough "good" guys out there who can and should coach who would, ultimately, be better for the players and the sport. Attract them, reward them, teach them to be the best coaches they can be, and give them the jobs... not the "bad" guys, regardless of whether the "bad" guy was a good player himself.

But I understand that not everyone agrees with that point of view.

"just win baby" is definitely compelling in the short term.
And it's certainly possible that a "bad" guy can deliver that 'winning', if that's the only priority.

I am not sure I agree with characterizing him as a "bad guy." I have asked a bunch of coaches about Tim and everyone has glowing things to say about him, but it is always with the caveat that he is not for everyone. My guess about his time in Hanover was that is was just a really bad fit all around. Towers (I know he is a great PLL coach) was a train wreck in every sense, and Tim was his assistant and was caught up in that. The entire culture was a mess and anyone around the program had choices to make. Tim's choices were probably not great, but from all accounts he is not an Ivy League type of guy.


Curious about how AT was a train wreck as a college coach. I'm a fan of his PLL work but know that his Dartmouth teams weren't successful. But what were the culture issues and "choices people had to make"? If it's confidential then i understand and no need to respond.

DoubleD wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:20 pm So u must have played with Mike Mcvay on LI express to? I played flag football with his son yrs back. That's awesome so u had ti be pretty damn good urself to play on those teams. I heard some crazy stories of all u guys playing back then. The game was crazy to. U had to be a tough SOB to play in those days. Different game then what it is today.

AreaLax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:35 pm Sounds like it finally official that Jake Bernhardt is joining Maryland coaching staff. Per IL he has a zoom call with the team tonight

Head Coach
Providence -> Benson
St. John’s -> Turri
Bryant-> Ross
Manhattan -> Odierna
LIU -> Levine
NJIT -> Wolf
UMass Lowell -> Kelleher

Assistant Coach
Bellarmine Offense
Bryant -> Chris Gabrielli
Canisius Offense
Georgetown Offense
Hobart Offense
Holy Cross Offense -> Euker
Hopkins Offense -> Crawley
Lehigh Offense -> Matt Francis
LIU Offense
Maryland Offense -> Jake Bernhardt
Michigan Offense
Navy Offense -> Mike Phipps
PSU Defense -> Bucci
Providence Offense -> Carroll Kennedy
Providence Defense -> Casey Broderson
St. John's Offense
St. John's Defense -> Chris Fisher
Manhattan Defense
UMass Lowell Offense
UMass Lowell Defense
UMBC Defense
Vermont Defense
Vermont Offense

cuseman4133 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:09 pm

AreaLax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:35 pm Sounds like it finally official that Jake Bernhardt is joining Maryland coaching staff. Per IL he has a zoom call with the team tonight

Head Coach
Providence -> Benson
St. John’s -> Turri
Bryant-> Ross
Manhattan -> Odierna
LIU -> Levine
NJIT -> Wolf
UMass Lowell -> Kelleher

Assistant Coach
Bellarmine Offense
Bryant -> Chris Gabrielli
Canisius Offense
Georgetown Offense
Hobart Offense
Holy Cross Offense -> Euker
Hopkins Offense -> Crawley
Lehigh Offense -> Matt Francis
LIU Offense
Maryland Offense -> Jake Bernhardt
Michigan Offense
Navy Offense -> Mike Phipps
PSU Defense -> Bucci
Providence Offense -> Carroll Kennedy
Providence Defense -> Casey Broderson
St. John's Offense
St. John's Defense -> Chris Fisher
Manhattan Defense
UMass Lowell Offense
UMass Lowell Defense
UMBC Defense
Vermont Defense
Vermont Offense

So much for that public denial from Tillman. But sounds like he had to for HR purposes.

Chris Jast strikes again!

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:53 pm Curious what kind of candidates Mercer can attract. Are they in that Kirwan/Wellner/Georgalas/etc. tier of top assistants who have showed interest in previous openings, or just below? They've never been good, but they are also not often very *bad*, which could suggest some potential there given it's a relatively new program in a non-traditional area.

Also, heard Hobart assistant Kyle Turri is leaving to join his brother at St. John's

Laxgunea wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:11 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:53 pm Curious what kind of candidates Mercer can attract. Are they in that Kirwan/Wellner/Georgalas/etc. tier of top assistants who have showed interest in previous openings, or just below? They've never been good, but they are also not often very *bad*, which could suggest some potential there given it's a relatively new program in a non-traditional area.

Also, heard Hobart assistant Kyle Turri is leaving to join his brother at St. John's

Except Hobart is advertising for an OC. Brundage has been terrific, so we'd hate to see him go. Terri has handled D, Goalies and FO.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:18 pm

Laxgunea wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:11 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:53 pm Curious what kind of candidates Mercer can attract. Are they in that Kirwan/Wellner/Georgalas/etc. tier of top assistants who have showed interest in previous openings, or just below? They've never been good, but they are also not often very *bad*, which could suggest some potential there given it's a relatively new program in a non-traditional area.

Also, heard Hobart assistant Kyle Turri is leaving to join his brother at St. John's

Except Hobart is advertising for an OC. Brundage has been terrific, so we'd hate to see him go. Terri has handled D, Goalies and FO.

maybe they're losing both?

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:53 pm Curious what kind of candidates Mercer can attract. Are they in that Kirwan/Wellner/Georgalas/etc. tier of top assistants who have showed interest in previous openings, or just below? They've never been good, but they are also not often very *bad*, which could suggest some potential there given it's a relatively new program in a non-traditional area.

Also, heard Hobart assistant Kyle Turri is leaving to join his brother at St. John's

LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 7:58 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:53 pm Curious what kind of candidates Mercer can attract. Are they in that Kirwan/Wellner/Georgalas/etc. tier of top assistants who have showed interest in previous openings, or just below? They've never been good, but they are also not often very *bad*, which could suggest some potential there given it's a relatively new program in a non-traditional area.

Also, heard Hobart assistant Kyle Turri is leaving to join his brother at St. John's

With all due respect to Mercer, I don't think that is the job guys like Kirwan and Wellner leave for.